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Red Flush minimum withdrawal amounts
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I didn't bother TBH Bryan, there seemed little point in complaining after the fact, I just pledged never to deposit with the group ever again.
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I think a withdrawl minimum of 100 units is OK.
Don't get me wrong, It is a bit harsh on low rollers and I can totally understand why people are annoyed at it but I dont think its a proper reason to bash a casino. It's their choice and they do eat the fees on deposits/withdrawls so fair enough. Perhaps if they offered a smaller minimum withdrawl but players had to pay the fees for withdrawls under 100 that would be a compromise?
What I do think is insane is the rule winnings can be voided if you use autoplay whilst you have a bonus. Holy moly that is terrible. Everyone uses autoplay to play slots surely? Well, most people anyway. I would very much like a comment from the rep on this one. You cant cheat with autoplay can you?
Don't get me wrong, It is a bit harsh on low rollers and I can totally understand why people are annoyed at it but I dont think its a proper reason to bash a casino. It's their choice and they do eat the fees on deposits/withdrawls so fair enough. Perhaps if they offered a smaller minimum withdrawl but players had to pay the fees for withdrawls under 100 that would be a compromise?
What I do think is insane is the rule winnings can be voided if you use autoplay whilst you have a bonus. Holy moly that is terrible. Everyone uses autoplay to play slots surely? Well, most people anyway. I would very much like a comment from the rep on this one. You cant cheat with autoplay can you?
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I think opinions has been said now about this group anyway. So if 100 minimum or not. There are lot of other issues which are not good.
As I see it. This is a place only for highrollers or higher than low rollers. That is if they want to play here.
In regards to the autoplay feature. I am starting to think that by using autoplay. You might actually archieve a higher RTP.
I do not know why but have a strong feeling for this. As there is no interruption between spins at all could this have a major factor??? I do not want to open up for a major discussion on this. But maybe this part of my post should be merged into that other thread going on about Microgaming
As they say every spins is random
To encourage reversals, obviously
Is there any other logical reason?
I am starting to think that by using autoplay. You might actually archieve a higher RTP.
Oh please.
As they say every spins is random
They are. This rule is most likely in place to prevent AP's to abuse bonuses (ie: grinding through the WR via a low variance slot at minimum bet and going to bed while its spinning). This goes against the "spirit of the bonus".
I can find a reason for every rule in place, except not allowing flushing. Because the only reason for not allowing flushing is an evil one.
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Whilst I do get where you are coming from I do not see the Flushing thing as much of a big deal as the other weird terms and conditions, if you go through all of the casinos on the CM accredited list you will find most of them do not flush, will not flush or only flush for those who are high enough on the V.I.P table.
It is still a problem and it sucks that casinos do not think more about there customers who keep them a float rather than worrying about their own pockets and with the likes of Nordicbet (no reversal at all), Redbet (Ask live chat you are paid on the spot), 32Red (flushes any time ) and 3dice (flushes, if its not instant) etc I'am surprised some places have players at all.
How many can you find that don't allow you to use Auto play? a feature that is built into the software?
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I do agree... IF the minimum withdrawal level is clearly spelled out to players BEFORE they deposit.
I believe the problem highlighted in the opening post, was that new players do not find out about the 100 credit minimum until they go to cash out.
If this is the case, then that would be a serious issue for me, and one the casino needs to address ASAP IMO.
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The one fundemental thing here that keeps popping into my head when I read these comments is....
It's an MG casino, your not stuck for choice, find one that you agree with (mostly 32red) and play there
If you are inclined to make withdrawals under £100 then don't play at redflush or casinolavida.
I won'd deposit at either of them for this reason. But I dont feel the need to make a thread on the forum about it, trying to bully them into dropping the minimum withdrawal.
I do however think there rule about not being able to cashout a full amount greater than 5x all deposits is stupid.
Scenario : Oh I've just come across this casino RedFlush, I'll deposit £100 here, meet wagering on the deposit bonus, withdraw a little and leave some playing funds..... Whats this I've triggered the progressive on the dark knight, And it's landed on the Major,
Oh shit I'll be old and grey by the time they cash it all out.
Yes Far fetched, but still this is a trick they could pull, and they have it within their rule book to do it.
It's an MG casino, your not stuck for choice, find one that you agree with (mostly 32red) and play there
If you are inclined to make withdrawals under £100 then don't play at redflush or casinolavida.
I won'd deposit at either of them for this reason. But I dont feel the need to make a thread on the forum about it, trying to bully them into dropping the minimum withdrawal.
I do however think there rule about not being able to cashout a full amount greater than 5x all deposits is stupid.
Scenario : Oh I've just come across this casino RedFlush, I'll deposit £100 here, meet wagering on the deposit bonus, withdraw a little and leave some playing funds..... Whats this I've triggered the progressive on the dark knight, And it's landed on the Major,
Oh shit I'll be old and grey by the time they cash it all out.
Yes Far fetched, but still this is a trick they could pull, and they have it within their rule book to do it.
Progressives are excluded from this rule.
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Just because there are better choices doesn't mean that we shouldn't discuss these casinos.
They are accredited here, and that comes with a higher standard, at least it does for me.
If noone is questioning them then their rules will continue to be what they are. Also there has been other rules discussed in this thread, and experiences that people havn't liked so much.
If any casino is honest and for the customers, then they will listen, and be willing to discuss those things. If not, well at least newbies and others have been warned.
If this thread is bullying, then I must have misunderstood what this forum is about.
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Maybe this thread should be moved to the "Accredited Casinos Updates"?
The club red group have already broken the terms for Accredition, with the misleading emails they send out (see my thread vs CasinoLavida) - My Complaint to the ASA is still ongoing and under investigation.
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Then why complain? One of the main purposes of complaining is to have something done about it. If the i-Gaming rep is not being informed, or if I'm not being notified, then all we have is a bunch of people talking to themselves. I go through a lot of trouble to get i-gaming reps involved in this community so that when there are problems, we can initiate change. If the membership is not willing to get involved with this sort of communication, then why bother?
After the casino reps were notified of this thread, they began to discuss changing some of their policies. So complaining after the fact is always good if you want to improve the playing field for everyone.
Plenty of reasons - it's usually connected to processing costs. Sometimes you can't do it because of the software (RTG for example), or you're not willing to do it because many players turn around and deposit within a few hours. They still want to play. Some operators don't see the logic in flushing from their perspective.
The casino was made aware - the casino rep replied. If it happens again, I would suggest starting a new thread in the Accreditation Comments forum. We'll bring it to their attention to ensure their marketing team is kept on a shorter leash. Making bogus claims is unacceptable.
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Well, in my opinion the min. withdrawal should always be equal to the min. deposit, that would make the players feel confident about the "business partner" (this is a business agreement between the online casino and the player/depositor/customer).
However, I also think that each casino has the prerogative of defining its own limits, being it the deposit, or the withdrawal min and max amounts, or whatever...
The thing is, or must be, that any player might take notice of those casino rules/terms/conditions before starting depositing with them, meaning that information must be available on the casino's website.
This said, I should add that I think $/€/£100 is too high for a min. withdrawal, regardless of the player level.
Trying to help, I logged into my Red Flush casino shell and I checked the (my) withdrawal limits… for me it’s 50€ via Neteller (and should be the same via Skrill), reason why I have deposited with Red Flush (with a 100€ min I would’ve never done so)!
I attach a screeshot of this.
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So, it seems that the limits are not equal for everyone, or the limits vary with the withdrawal method (not in accordance with what Craig said!)
-Side note-
Regarding Slotocash, I also attach a screeshot of their Payout limits and fees (available at the cashier/withdraw menu)
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As you can see, $350 is for US players only and via Bankwire, for the rest if $25 (although Net and Skrill not for US players).
-End of side note-
Cheers
However, I also think that each casino has the prerogative of defining its own limits, being it the deposit, or the withdrawal min and max amounts, or whatever...
The thing is, or must be, that any player might take notice of those casino rules/terms/conditions before starting depositing with them, meaning that information must be available on the casino's website.
This said, I should add that I think $/€/£100 is too high for a min. withdrawal, regardless of the player level.
Trying to help, I logged into my Red Flush casino shell and I checked the (my) withdrawal limits… for me it’s 50€ via Neteller (and should be the same via Skrill), reason why I have deposited with Red Flush (with a 100€ min I would’ve never done so)!
I attach a screeshot of this.
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So, it seems that the limits are not equal for everyone, or the limits vary with the withdrawal method (not in accordance with what Craig said!)
-Side note-
Regarding Slotocash, I also attach a screeshot of their Payout limits and fees (available at the cashier/withdraw menu)
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As you can see, $350 is for US players only and via Bankwire, for the rest if $25 (although Net and Skrill not for US players).
-End of side note-
Cheers
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Well quite frankly Bryan, any casino group that needs 'community feedback' to inform them that 'coercing phone numbers out of your customers to then make unsolicited marketing calls to them is bad practice', has fallen from grace to such an extent that I think they deserve nothing more than being called out on it in public.
I made my 'complaint' public here at CM in a factual manner and on a detailed basis, but without going down the 'official complaint' route, as I believe is my prerogative and choice. Anyone reading my posts was free to make up their own mind as to whether or not they wished to play with that group based on my own experience.
I've played with LOTS of casinos over the years, and Red Flush are the only casino who've ever pulled that stunt on me. The idea that they need 'reminding' it's bad practice is laughable.
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But it did happen again, I received another of the deceitful and misleading spam emails earlier this month, stating that there was a 'FREE 3000' on offer when absolutely no such thing was the case.
It's detailed in the thread linked above, all they did was take the word 'WON' out of the email, but the nonsense about a 'FREE 3000' is still in there.
The main text is blatantly misleading and falls foul of the standards expected of accredited casinos, it says 'SIGN UP AND RECEIVE $/€/£ 3000 FREE' but that will not happen, if I sign up I get absolutely nothing, if I deposit I get a 100% bonus up to a maximum of £100. I then have to deposit three more times to get more bonuses and all four added together only make £625.
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The really only official complaint route we have is to make sure your complaint is heard by the right people. I'm a fairly busy guy, and I can't follow every issue. That's why I rely on either the "report a post", PMs or emails to me or the other moderators on keeping everything in line. If it's a PAB issue, which bogus marketing tactics surely are, then you have Max on it as well 
All I'm asking for is communication.
All I'm asking for is communication.
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The really only official complaint route we have is to make sure your complaint is heard by the right people. I'm a fairly busy guy, and I can't follow every issue. That's why I rely on either the "report a post", PMs or emails to me or the other moderators on keeping everything in line. If it's a PAB issue, which bogus marketing tactics surely are, then you have Max on it as well
All I'm asking for is communication.
I do appreciate that Bryan and I do genuinely appreciate the time and effort you guys put into the entire CM site and the forums and all the 'behind the scenes' stuff as well, if I'd had a penny for every time I'd mentioned 'Casinomeister' and 'Casinomeister Forums' and 'Casinomeister Accredited List' in my videos I'd be probably have enough cash to buy a couple of beers with
Perhaps with hindsight I should have made my bad experience with Red Flush into a proper complaint thread here at CM for the greater good as it were, but to be honest I was so fed up with them by the time I finally got paid that I just wanting to write-up what had happened, make the post and put the whole thing to bed as it were. (And remember we're talking about a £175 withdrawal from a £100 deposit, so not exactly mega-bucks!)
In the future however, I will go down the more formal route with such complaints, as I do understand how this can then be fed back into the system to the benefit of everyone.
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I'm not sure about the 350$ min on sloto everyone has been talking about, but I was able to make smaller cashouts as low as 50$ using myPaylinQ as a US player.
I know sloto takes CC deposits, and I had trouble initially loading myPaylinQ. If you use that method to deposit you can also cashout to it. In order to fund myPaylinQ i had to purchase a ukash voucher and redeem `it against myPaylinQ. Hopefully this information proves useful.
I know sloto takes CC deposits, and I had trouble initially loading myPaylinQ. If you use that method to deposit you can also cashout to it. In order to fund myPaylinQ i had to purchase a ukash voucher and redeem `it against myPaylinQ. Hopefully this information proves useful.
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moot point
Sorry, I'm seeing myPaylinQ no longer as an option (not to cross thread) but in turn nulls out my original statement. Thanks what I get for opening my mouth
Sorry, I'm seeing myPaylinQ no longer as an option (not to cross thread) but in turn nulls out my original statement. Thanks what I get for opening my mouth
If I go to the chat and ask them to flush my money, and they say no, is it because they think I'm retarded and will redeposit within hours and they want to save fees?
I've lost a fortune with reversals and I'm certainly not alone. The processing fees that they "save" is a drop in the ocean compared to the money that they make with reversals.
Yes, I'm free to play at other casinos, but not allowing flushing is straight up dishonest in my book and I'll keep saying it. It's just like a land-based casino that wouldn't let you leave and force you to stay there for 2 days after a big win.
My thoughts are that it is up to them what their deposit/withdrawal limits are, but this information needs to be clearly stated on the website, so the player knows the score before they make a deposit.
I am a low roller & I understand processing costs are apparently high. If it gets worse & payment processors in the industry get greedier & it comes to the stage where I can't afford to play in casinos online anymore, I won't sweat it. The processors are the ones shooting themselves in the foot in the end. I don't need to gamble. I enjoy a bet just like most people do but can't afford to regularly spend that kind of money. Gambling isn't a necessity.
Red Flush can set whatever limits they like, but I think this information should be clear to new players before they sign up. Not when they go to make a withdrawal. I know it's a business & you've got to make money, but it could potentially turn into a bad feeling from a customer if they get caught out by this because they didn't know about it.
I think having the min deposit and withdrawal limits put next to each casino in the accredited section is a good idea & if it can be incorporated into the ratings too would be helpful for both player & casino, cause if a casino sees a lot of people are unhappy through the ratings it might help them understand better what makes players happy. Happy players means, repeat business, & good word of mouth which is priceless. Casinos may not make a lot of money from low rollers but if low rollers are happy there, & tell their friends & colleagues about it that creates more business for them.
I've written another essay again
, anyway updating the accredited section with this info is a good idea. I don't mind helping out with getting that info & sending it to Bryan/moderators so they can update it, if that would be any help let me know.
I am a low roller & I understand processing costs are apparently high. If it gets worse & payment processors in the industry get greedier & it comes to the stage where I can't afford to play in casinos online anymore, I won't sweat it. The processors are the ones shooting themselves in the foot in the end. I don't need to gamble. I enjoy a bet just like most people do but can't afford to regularly spend that kind of money. Gambling isn't a necessity.
Red Flush can set whatever limits they like, but I think this information should be clear to new players before they sign up. Not when they go to make a withdrawal. I know it's a business & you've got to make money, but it could potentially turn into a bad feeling from a customer if they get caught out by this because they didn't know about it.
I think having the min deposit and withdrawal limits put next to each casino in the accredited section is a good idea & if it can be incorporated into the ratings too would be helpful for both player & casino, cause if a casino sees a lot of people are unhappy through the ratings it might help them understand better what makes players happy. Happy players means, repeat business, & good word of mouth which is priceless. Casinos may not make a lot of money from low rollers but if low rollers are happy there, & tell their friends & colleagues about it that creates more business for them.
I've written another essay again
, anyway updating the accredited section with this info is a good idea. I don't mind helping out with getting that info & sending it to Bryan/moderators so they can update it, if that would be any help let me know.
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I am a little confused about this. How is this bullying? We are simply stating that we don't agree with it. Which, I believe, is fully in our rights as CM members.
Bottom line is it sucks.
You can only withdrawal a minimum of $100.00? $350.00? Even more than that at other places? I don't like the sound of that. I guess that's one of the goof things about 32 Red, that you can withdrawal as low as $10.00. I think it's good to have the option to leave the session with you're deposit in hand (especially for low rollers like me). I'd like to know what are some other accredited low minimum withdrawal casinos? Most of them have $50.00 set as the minimum.
I agree with Richie it's a good idea to have the min deposit and withdrawal limits put next to each casino in the accredited section.
I agree with Richie it's a good idea to have the min deposit and withdrawal limits put next to each casino in the accredited section.
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Thank You we have Listened
Thanks for all your valuable input we have listened to all of you and amended our terms accordingly
The minimum withdrawal amount is $50 (SEK/NOK/DDK 250), except for payments to Courier Checks and Direct Bank Transfer which is $100 (SEK/NOK/DDK 500) excluding transaction fees.
Thanks for all your valuable input we have listened to all of you and amended our terms accordingly
The minimum withdrawal amount is $50 (SEK/NOK/DDK 250), except for payments to Courier Checks and Direct Bank Transfer which is $100 (SEK/NOK/DDK 500) excluding transaction fees.
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Good to see a casino responding to player comments!
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That is EXCELLENT, well done!
Can I ask rep why the no slot autoplay allowed with bonuses rule exists? Seems pretty silly.
Can I ask rep why the no slot autoplay allowed with bonuses rule exists? Seems pretty silly.
I'd like to find out as well?
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Who stated there was a connection?
Does anyone know if there a connection with Red Flush and Sunset Slots?
Would appreciate hearing of there is a real connection not speculation.
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I'll send you a pm with what I know, but it have to wait until tomorrow
send to me too if there´s some connection pls
thank
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