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Raging Rhino misery

According to a representative of SG, nothing has changed when the HTML5 version was released.

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Check all my recent videos with html 5 and count the 3/4 spins that have 9's 2,3,4(5). Look at my older ones say 3 months back+ and then count this event, and tell me it hasn't been changed. The odds against it being the same are astronomical.
 
Check all my recent videos with html 5 and count the 3/4 spins that have 9's 2,3,4(5). Look at my older ones say 3 months back+ and then count this event, and tell me it hasn't been changed. The odds against it being the same are astronomical.

I am with you on that one :thumbsup:

But why would the rep say different? Maybe he means something different with the "Math model" :confused:
 
Check all my recent videos with html 5 and count the 3/4 spins that have 9's 2,3,4(5). Look at my older ones say 3 months back+ and then count this event, and tell me it hasn't been changed. The odds against it being the same are astronomical.

I have further evidence....

Check out all my RR hits on my YT channel over the years. Then see how many of them are the HTML5 version ;)
 
This game is not same game what it was ... No one can say it is... Its so clear that they have done something especially to bonusrounds...

I usually see people having a rant about some games changing and being worse after the upgrade to HTML5, and I usually don't pay much attention, because they are usually games I don't play anyway, except for DoA.

I can say I really don't see a difference on DoA.

But Rhino?

I can tell you now with 100% fact that this game has been altered. I can also tell you it's nothing to do with the HTML5 version as the Flash version has also changed.

You ever notice how often WMS/SG games are down for maintenance? For me the changes took place when WMS was merged into Scientific Gaming with other developers.

Here are the two MAJOR changes i've experienced.

1. Bonus frequency. It usually wasn't to difficult to trigger the bonus in the first 100 spins, now you are lucky get it in the first 300. Sometimes you would go on a flurry of "back to back" freespin rounds in 10 spins every few times you would play it. Now it simply doesn't happen.

2. Retriggers - This one is absolutely undeniable. And anyone who knows anything about Rhino will have noticed this. This to me is proof that the game has changed.

You remember playing Rhino before 2017 and the years before and getting the freespins? Do you remember thinking to yourself "Wonder how many spins I am going to end up getting?". You thought this because almost every single bonus you triggered you were almost guaranteed retriggers. It used to be very rare for me to not retrigger any. Now? It is completely reversed. It is almost impossible to retrigger the diamonds in the freespins and if you do, you are lucky to do it once. It has now become very rare to retrigger up to 30 spins + which used to be very common.

So yeah it has 100% changed.

I play Rhino a lot...always have. This year had been absoltue torment and I have lost more this year than in previous years and it's no coincidence at all. It's impossible to get the big wins anymore.

Before this year I would get maybe 20+ 500x wins throughout the year. This year I have had one a nice 1500x...but still just one time. The big hit features have also been noticabley scaled back.

It's got to the point now that I am just not going to play it as I have become afraid. Each session results in the same balance busting fashion. :mad:

Edit: Forgot to add that it's also more difficult to know when the bonus is going to drop. The quick drop in of the first diamond that we used to go "ah, there it is" doesn't actually trigger the spins always anymore. And sometimes it drops when it's not expected. Not to say that that's a bad thing at all....but definitely another major change.
 
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Right OK then, I think it is fair to say that I usually do not buy into these "oh the game has changed" theories.

There was a thread re: the new Twin Spin. I don't believe it's any better or worse personally. That said, I was never really that big a fan of the game anyway.

Re: DOA. I DO think the game has changed, but not in a bad way. Yes, the wildlines seem to crop up a lot less frequently, but I think there is a greater level of "pretty good but not great non-wildline-type" wins. It just seems to be a bit more balanced now, rather than the "all or nothing/win 2000x bet and above or bust" kind of game that the old version seemed to be.

But now we get to the Rhino....

I am absolutely 100% convinced that this game has changed on BOTH Flash and HTML5. It is a horrible game to play. And to be honest, it has been like this for about EIGHT MONTHS. To the point that I absolutely know my days of playing this game are numbered. The time I spend playing this game (which was probably my favourite for the first 3 months of this year) has dramatically nosedived. Even at the best of times, this game was a game that needed to be approached with caution. But now? Choosing to load this game is like making a very loud and clear declaration, something along the following lines.....

"DEAR WMS/SCIENTIFICALLY RIGGEDUPJOKEFEST GAMING LIMITED, I WOULD LIKE TO LOSE MY MONEY. ALL OF IT. AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

I WANT TO SEE MY DEPOSIT DIE ABRUPTLY, PREFERABLY BY WAY OF DROWNING IN A SEA OF DEAD SPINS AND UTTER TEDIUM.

I WANT TO BE STARVED OF FEATURES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. ACTUALLY IT WOULD BE BETTER IF YOU DIDN'T GIVE ME ANY FEATURES, BECAUSE I MIGHT FUCKING DIE OF SHOCK SHOULD I GET ONE.

IN THE HIGHLY UNLIKELY EVENT THAT I SOMEHOW BUCK THE ODDS OF PROBABILITY AND ACTUALLY TRIGGER ONE FUCKING LOUSY FEATURE BEFORE MY STARTING BALANCE OF 150 GREAT BRITISH POUNDS EVAPORATES INTO THE ETHER THAT IS WMS/SG'S COFFERS, I WANT TO BE SUBJECTED TO THE KIND OF UNHOLY MIND-FUCKING TROLLING DICKMOVE THAT IS GETTING A 50 SPIN FEATURE THAT BARELY SCRAPES OVER FEATURE GUARANTEE ON THE 50TH AND FINAL SPIN OF SAID UNHOLY MIND-FUCKING TROLLING DICKMOVE OF A FEATURE, YOU CUNTS.

I WANT TO BE PROVOKED INTO THROWING MY MOUSE AT THE WALL, RESULTING IN IT SUSTAINING IRREPARABLE DAMAGE. I WANT TO BE PROVOKED INTO HAVING TO MAKE AN UNPLANNED TRIP TO PC WORLD AND HAVING TO PART WITH MORE MONEY, BECAUSE YOUR ROTTING DECOMPOSING TURD OF A ONCE VERY POPULAR GAME HAS TURNED INTO SUCH A DISGUSTING, CRAPULENT, TEETERING ON THE BRINK OF ACTUALLY BEING BLATANTLY FRAUDULENT RIPOFF THAT IT MAKES THE GAME ABOUT AS APPEALING AS EATING SAID ROTTING DECOMPOSING TURD.

YOU'RE PROVIDING ENTERTAINMENT YOU SAY? OK. BEST GO OUT TO THE FUCKING BOOKSHOP AND BUY A DICTIONARY THAT HAS AN ACCURATE DEFINITION OF WHAT ENTERTAINMENT ACTUALLY MEANS. I'M SURE YOU CAN AFFORD ONE NOW THAT YOU'VE BROKEN YOUR SLOT BEYOND REPAIR AND MADE IT "ACTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE" FOR ANYONE TO WIN ON IT. EVER AGAIN.

PS GO FUCK YOURSELF. SIDEWAYS. WITH A MACHETE. TWO TIMES. THEN GO FUCK YOURSELF A FURTHER THREE TIMES. WITH A CHAINSAW.

AND ON THAT NOTE, I AM AWAY TO GO LOSE SOME MORE MONEY ON SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE EXCITING. LIKE A COLLECTION OF THE MOST BORING QUICKSPIN SLOTS I CAN POSSIBLY FIND."

YOURS SINCERELY
MC-DISGRUNTLEDWITHWMS/SCIENTIFICALLYRIGGEDUPJOKEFESTGAMINGLIMITEDBEYONDALLFUCKINGBELIEFANDHUMANCOMPREHENSIONALLBECAUSEOFYOURSUDDENLYCRAPPYUNPLAYABLERAGINGRHINOSLOT-GAMEBOY

Right then, now that I have got that off my chest, I can get back to being an objective and rational human being. Maybe.
 
Right OK then, I think it is fair to say that I usually do not buy into these "oh the game has changed" theories.

There was a thread re: the new Twin Spin. I don't believe it's any better or worse personally. That said, I was never really that big a fan of the game anyway.

Re: DOA. I DO think the game has changed, but not in a bad way. Yes, the wildlines seem to crop up a lot less frequently, but I think there is a greater level of "pretty good but not great non-wildline-type" wins. It just seems to be a bit more balanced now, rather than the "all or nothing/win 2000x bet and above or bust" kind of game that the old version seemed to be.

But now we get to the Rhino....

I am absolutely 100% convinced that this game has changed on BOTH Flash and HTML5. It is a horrible game to play. And to be honest, it has been like this for about EIGHT MONTHS. To the point that I absolutely know my days of playing this game are numbered. The time I spend playing this game (which was probably my favourite for the first 3 months of this year) has dramatically nosedived. Even at the best of times, this game was a game that needed to be approached with caution. But now? Choosing to load this game is like making a very loud and clear declaration, something along the following lines.....

"DEAR WMS/SCIENTIFICALLY RIGGEDUPJOKEFEST GAMING LIMITED, I WOULD LIKE TO LOSE MY MONEY. ALL OF IT. AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

I WANT TO SEE MY DEPOSIT DIE ABRUPTLY, PREFERABLY BY WAY OF DROWNING IN A SEA OF DEAD SPINS AND UTTER TEDIUM.

I WANT TO BE STARVED OF FEATURES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. ACTUALLY IT WOULD BE BETTER IF YOU DIDN'T GIVE ME ANY FEATURES, BECAUSE I MIGHT FUCKING DIE OF SHOCK SHOULD I GET ONE.

IN THE HIGHLY UNLIKELY EVENT THAT I SOMEHOW BUCK THE ODDS OF PROBABILITY AND ACTUALLY TRIGGER ONE FUCKING LOUSY FEATURE BEFORE MY STARTING BALANCE OF 150 GREAT BRITISH POUNDS EVAPORATES INTO THE ETHER THAT IS WMS/SG'S COFFERS, I WANT TO BE SUBJECTED TO THE KIND OF UNHOLY MIND-FUCKING TROLLING DICKMOVE THAT IS GETTING A 50 SPIN FEATURE THAT BARELY SCRAPES OVER FEATURE GUARANTEE ON THE 50TH AND FINAL SPIN OF SAID UNHOLY MIND-FUCKING TROLLING DICKMOVE OF A FEATURE, YOU CUNTS.

I WANT TO BE PROVOKED INTO THROWING MY MOUSE AT THE WALL, RESULTING IN IT SUSTAINING IRREPARABLE DAMAGE. I WANT TO BE PROVOKED INTO HAVING TO MAKE AN UNPLANNED TRIP TO PC WORLD AND HAVING TO PART WITH MORE MONEY, BECAUSE YOUR ROTTING DECOMPOSING TURD OF A ONCE VERY POPULAR GAME HAS TURNED INTO SUCH A DISGUSTING, CRAPULENT, TEETERING ON THE BRINK OF ACTUALLY BEING BLATANTLY FRAUDULENT RIPOFF THAT IT MAKES THE GAME ABOUT AS APPEALING AS EATING SAID ROTTING DECOMPOSING TURD.

YOU'RE PROVIDING ENTERTAINMENT YOU SAY? OK. BEST GO OUT TO THE FUCKING BOOKSHOP AND BUY A DICTIONARY THAT HAS AN ACCURATE DEFINITION OF WHAT ENTERTAINMENT ACTUALLY MEANS. I'M SURE YOU CAN AFFORD ONE NOW THAT YOU'VE BROKEN YOUR SLOT BEYOND REPAIR AND MADE IT "ACTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE" FOR ANYONE TO WIN ON IT. EVER AGAIN.

PS GO FUCK YOURSELF. SIDEWAYS. WITH A MACHETE. TWO TIMES. THEN GO FUCK YOURSELF A FURTHER THREE TIMES. WITH A CHAINSAW.

AND ON THAT NOTE, I AM AWAY TO GO LOSE SOME MORE MONEY ON SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE EXCITING. LIKE A COLLECTION OF THE MOST BORING QUICKSPIN SLOTS I CAN POSSIBLY FIND."

YOURS SINCERELY
MC-DISGRUNTLEDWITHWMS/SCIENTIFICALLYRIGGEDUPJOKEFESTGAMINGLIMITEDBEYONDALLFUCKINGBELIEFANDHUMANCOMPREHENSIONALLBECAUSEOFYOURSUDDENLYCRAPPYUNPLAYABLERAGINGRHINOSLOT-GAMEBOY

Right then, now that I have got that off my chest, I can get back to being an objective and rational human being. Maybe.

You forgot to end it with "so it is" :p
 
There is also one new "funny" feature on rhino-- if you manage to get one win over 10x stake during free spins.. the game goes total cold for the remaining spins.. happens 100% of the time.. you simply wont get any wins.. not even 1x stake after that "big win"

I suppose I'd better add this colossal bonus here too then...

 
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I didn't notice on the very first spin I actually MISSED the Rhinos by the blink of an eye on the 5th reel - Would have been a colossal hit!!!!!!

Nate

Not too shabby! Indeed, that first spin just missed the wild on reel 5, and that would probably have paid more then the whole Bonus combined! :p
Still lovely Bonus, especially with that bet size...:thumbsup:
 
Finally, finally after about a year of heart ache heard that nice music on this slot tonight. I’ve run so bad on this animal it’s untrue and now I can finally put it to bed.

Not one of the monster hits but enough for me to leave it alone now.

Interesting what people are saying about the different versions of the game.

I can categorically state that on god knows how many bonus rounds on bet victor (HTML 5) I hit absolutely nothing close to any kind of big hit. Certainly nothing above 100X in the bonus. All of my racks of cheetahs/Rhinos came in the base game.

On sky Vegas (flash originally now HTML 5) I also hit absolutely nothing in probsbly at least 250 bonus rounds. Except in free play where I hit 2 monsters in about 20 attempts. Of course I did!!

On video slots (flash) I at least had a couple of minor hits of about 100-150X in the bonus over the last month or so. And tonight I finally hit my biggest win. £1.20 stake yielding £880.

Playing mostly on mobile I can honestly say that the new versions are absolutely god awful and constantly go wrong. Losing connection and freezing non stop.

I’m VERY experienced in the AWP compensated world of SG products and am fully aware of how their constant tweaks can ruin what were previously playable and fun games to play. I’m absolutely certain that Rhino is no different.

I wouldn’t trust a word that comes out of any employee of that company.
 
Videoslots shows total rtp of games collected from all players.
Raging rhino this month 92%
Raging rhino december 2017 93%
raging rhino november 95%
raging rhino october 96%
raging rhino september 97%


I see clear pattern there, AND NO ONE CAN SAY thats just Every player getting unlucky at the same time

And how is 92%-97% bad RTP? Am I missing something?
 
Yes I did notice that - But it is irrelevant and your looking for pasterns that do no mean anything. if the RTP is above 90% each month for a specific slot that is normal. Slots are random. and RTP over the period of a month only shows that the slot is performing as it should be doing.
 
I've noticed something also.....

I lose on it every time, more so the HTML5 nonsense.

This is not a slot anymore, in fact it is not even gambling anymore.

I would stake a complete year's salary (with confidence) that this slot is nowhere near its stated RTP - FACT!

Have you played this in the arcades Jon?

I had a go last week, shocking.
So was Monte & Black Knight.
The 3 reel Black Knight wasnt too bad.
But went back on the £25 Astras.
£37 top on Double Decker, £40 on Locomotion, £39 Partytime even a double Jackpot on PT arena
 
No matey, couldn't help noticing it tho when it was released but I actually had some common sense for one and steered well clear.

Not been up for a while, just CBA, the place is always dead so I know the machines are running on pretty much empty most of the time :(

When I do venture in, I tend to always play 'Golden Dragon' (Barcrest, I think :o) Can / have had some cracking hits on 0.20p bets.

They took the Bullion Bars multi player and Batman out (strange as about the only machines which were always occupied) to make room for these HUGE Novomatics VIP thingy's.
 
Rtp of all players at videoslots this month this far 87.2% ... uhmmmm

I'm surprised it's actually that HIGH. As far as I'm concerned, Rhino is officially ruined beyond repair. What a difference 12 months makes.
This time last year, Rhino was easily my favourite slot. Fast forward to today and it has been nearly FIVE MONTHS since I last played it.

And people moan about Bonanza and IR? At least you can get a half-decent game playing those two slots. Rhino offers nothing but a totally joyless experience now.
 
I'm surprised it's actually that HIGH. As far as I'm concerned, Rhino is officially ruined beyond repair. What a difference 12 months makes.
This time last year, Rhino was easily my favourite slot. Fast forward to today and it has been nearly FIVE MONTHS since I last played it.

And people moan about Bonanza and IR? At least you can get a half-decent game playing those two slots. Rhino offers nothing but a totally joyless experience now.


I dunno - I've done OK on old Raging Nine-o lately. The graphics are cumbersome now and the reels obviously gimped but still annoyingly familiar.
 
I'm surprised it's actually that HIGH. As far as I'm concerned, Rhino is officially ruined beyond repair. What a difference 12 months makes.
This time last year, Rhino was easily my favourite slot. Fast forward to today and it has been nearly FIVE MONTHS since I last played it.

And people moan about Bonanza and IR? At least you can get a half-decent game playing those two slots. Rhino offers nothing but a totally joyless experience now.

Pretty much word for word what I planned to post mate :(
 
Yeah, made first deposit with them this week also, fastest bust this year lol, plans back fired big time as I held off since joining till now as I knew this week would be shit money wise (rent/bills week :p)

Took the 2nd depo offer last night, dead again :(

Wary of joining too many since my 'life line' but so hard to resist their offers lol :oops:

Tend to try and spread deposits when I can and avoid WR too these days.

Luck shit right out for a while for now but no complaints given the run I had up to and just after Xmas :)

GL next punt m8 :thumbsup:
 
I'm surprised it's actually that HIGH. As far as I'm concerned, Rhino is officially ruined beyond repair. What a difference 12 months makes.
This time last year, Rhino was easily my favourite slot. Fast forward to today and it has been nearly FIVE MONTHS since I last played it.

And people moan about Bonanza and IR? At least you can get a half-decent game playing those two slots. Rhino offers nothing but a totally joyless experience now.

Thinking back to the good old days of smooth Flash, grey out autospin and fun, streaky gameplay on the beast.

Now behold the incompetently coded stuttering HTML5 reels, horrible maths (200x in before you see your first bonus (guarantee...)), a pale husk of its former glory.

SG totally suck at HTML5 full stop. I'm not sure the original (pre-SG takeover) WMS team is even in place any longer.
 
I'm beta-testing three new stand alone UK casinos this weekend (due for launch next week) and they all have the old version. If only auto-play made a return life would be complete!

The game feels so different and quickspin makes the dead spells a little more bearable!
 
When I watched a recent Dunover production, whose videos I have enjoyed for nearly 2 years, I think he took a big chunk off the trada rhino rtp the other day with a large cheetah win.

I am a bit torn between the new and old version, I find the new version tends to give me more retriggers in the bonus, I can still play the old version at whill, betfair and virgin but it tends to eat my balance faster.

I've had my best times x win on the new version: 216 ways of rhino at 40p stake @£648, however I think the old version was more capable of being streaky and you could get several good wins over a week. Although I think the old version also started to change prior to the new html version coming out, the bigs wins disappeared.

Its still a very addictive game though even after all these years, I don't know why sg/williams didn't take the rhino format and do other themes, they made several colossal reel type games but only 1 rhino type with its potential for big wins. I've played spartacus and giant's gold alot and you could never win £648 from a 40p spin, in fact when I started to play rhino I thought what a waste of money I had spent on the colossal reel games for bugger all in return and yet their rtp is slightly higher than rhino I think.

Even today I played rhino at coral, £10 deposit, got to £30 then went and played giants gold as it had hammered me the other day, it decided to hammer me again, it took the whole £30 at 30p spins with no bonus, foolishly I thought I'm going to try and get a bonus, £50 later at 40p spins and still with no bonus I had to call it a day. My worst shame was when I won over £1800 on the rhino, and then got tied up with that frigging giant's gold and it took £600 at £1.20 and in return gave me one bonus for about £19.

A recent tactic i've tried if the rhino is raping rather than raging, is to switch to montezuma, and recently I got a £52 win at 30p, which I then promptly donated to the bonanza relief cause.

[sorry for the length of reply, i'm a newbie at CM, but I must learn to be more succinct]
 
BOTH versions of the Rhino are now total shit and no way do they live up to anywhere near their TRTP.

Original (Flash) Rhino when it existed alone, long before this HTML5 nonsense was probably one of the fairest games out there.

I have lots of big win videos / screenshots on the original, played HTML5 when released quite often and didn't manage to capture oven ONE, says it all really.

I have practically given up altogether on what was once my all time fave game now, cannot see the point, knowing I will lose before I even load the game up!"
 
I've just stupidly loaded it up 55 mins ago, and now I have £145 less in my pocket. Oh dear what a plonker, by writing my post above I must have bloody triggered a desire to play it.

If I had played at £2 stake rather than my set in concrete policy of 40p I could have taken a £100 rhino win early on and legged it.
I must be a glutton for punishment as i'm now considering playing Bonanza in the hope of a unusual win to recover losses.
 
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My love affair with this game lasted approximately 25 minutes a few months ago, when taking some leftover winnings and dreaming of orange- filled screenshots.

As this never transpired, I instead managed to lose about £80 on minimum bets, with absolutely 0 fun thrown in for good measure!!

I think I missed the boat by about three years. And I didn't like the look of it then either, the thieving rigged orange wanker :mad::eek:
 
I never liked the look of it at first, I thought it was some sort of safari game, and when I first started playing slots I obsessively played spartacus at 10p or if feeling brave 20p. rhino's minimum stake of 40p seemed to me at the time a reckless amount. And in hindsight I think I was right, you can burn big holes in your pockets with 40p stakes.

I'm beginning to think though I should up my stakes but do far less spins, I just played lucky lady charm at 10p, it cost in total £7 to trigger the bonus but it gave me 120 spins and around £38, so playing at say 50p stake I would have been quids in.
 
FWIW, you can get huge wins on the Earlier Novo's fro 0.10p bets. Had a few 800x or thereabouts over the months. Maybe not withdrawal time but gives a decent balance to move onto "other things"

Last year I did go a bit silly and started to try and do £1-2 spins, partly chasing losses and dug myself into a deeper hole but then I found solace in a few of the novamatic games, doing 10p spins at sky vegas' selection. I like the "other things" it conjured up in my mind something mysterious like a deep secret known only to the initiated; you do have to try and make wise choices with slots and I think I kept making unwise choices and still do :(
 
Last year I did go a bit silly and started to try and do £1-2 spins, partly chasing losses and dug myself into a deeper hole but then I found solace in a few of the novamatic games, doing 10p spins at sky vegas' selection. I like the "other things" it conjured up in my mind something mysterious like a deep secret known only to the initiated; you do have to try and make wise choices with slots and I think I kept making unwise choices and still do :(
I know, like most we tread cautiously, and through various unlikely wins raise our hopes to unrealistic levels :mad:

Slot selection is everything, I believe the likes of Bonanza skew expectations and provide almost no value for money.

It's best to take a step back and play the lesser- known slots, even if just to get some semblance of playtime :cool:
 

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