Raging Rhino misery

[SlotGrinder]

Well aren't slots just designed to pay you X% RTP longterm ? The randomness is in the payouts not in the structure of the game

For example a super simple slot which has ten equally likely reel combos which pay like this on a £1 stake

£5
£2.50
£1
£0.50
£0.40
£0.20
£0
£0
£0
£0

This slot will have a RTP of 96% longterm and ten different combinations of reel positions each equally likely

The point is a slot doesn't have to have random independent reels which each spin and land randomly . There are no reels (there is no spoon). It is just computer graphics . So if certain reels land in certain positions more often then that is how the game is designed.

As for freespin rounds , well that is all part of one spin effectively . Some slots will know the total you are going to win from freespins the moment you trigger them . Not sure how Rhino works but I don't think it has to have the same frequency of reel combos in the freespins as in the basegame . Again the reels are just graphics and they don't spin independently . Before any "reels" spin the game already knows how much you will win

2. A little 3-spin sequence as follows: CRASH CRASH! 2 diamonds. CRASH CRASH! 2 diamonds. Third spin CRASH CRASH CRASH! Feature trigger.
3. Every 20 or so features you will see both of these usually: A, a next-spin trigger. B, a next spin-but-one trigger. (after the previous feature finishes.)

No.2 is memorable.. Would you remember a sequence where you got 2 diamonds followed by no diamonds followed by 1 diamond .. etc ? no because there is nothing remarkable about it even if it happens very very often

No.3 is an example of probabilty where , ironically , true randomness actually looks a lot less random than people expect Like the birthday example . There are 365 days in a year yet if you get 23 random people together then there is a 50% chance that 2 of them will share the same birthdate . So if every 20 features were all sort of evenly spaced apart that is actually less likely to be truly random , although still possible

or IT COULD JUST BE RIGGED I used to play poker on UB and Absolute back in the day and everyone always laughed at the foilhatters then . Turns out they had a point tho

 

[slot_zombie]

1. A large 5 or 6-reel Rhino combo drops in during base game, very next spin a feature trigger of 3 scatters.
Completely agree.
2. A little 3-spin sequence as follows: CRASH CRASH! 2 diamonds. CRASH CRASH! 2 diamonds. Third spin CRASH CRASH CRASH! Feature trigger.
Can't say I've ever noticed this at all. For me, constant "Crash! crash!" is a bad sign that means welcome to the Diamond Desert Of Doom.
3. Every 20 or so features you will see both of these usually: A, a next-spin trigger. B, a next spin-but-one trigger. (after the previous feature finishes.)
Absolutely correct observation.
4. A big win drop in the very next spin after a shit BoG feature finishes.
All the bloody time.
5. Wins with 3-5 reels of 10's are quite common, but if you see the 10 between 2 queens reel one there is seldom a 10's win.
Not a gimp, just a crappy design decision on how to show the wins. It could show the rhino taking a dump in a waterhole for all that it matters.
6. Cheetah wins are seldom over 2 reels across, but the 3rd. reel will always block them with a 9.
As above.
7. The incidence of reel 1 with J.Q.K or 2xQ/2xK in free games is simply excessive compared to the base game.
As above. Highly annoying nonetheless.

Having made a larger than usual deposit of 500 due to a previous w/d being in my a/c from earlier in the week, I decided to have a high-roll on the buggering beast at £3.20 spins. The first SIX features ALL BoG and NONE RETRIGGERED! So, in hundreds of K's of spins by sheer coincidence!! I exceeded the 5 BoG run (again!) just when the stakes happened to be raised. It was then that it hit me, a switch in my mind that said "I smell bullshit!"
Same here, all my big wins have been on 80 pence, including a monster 2 grand on one spin.

Well thanks Dunover for sharing your findings, I'm glad it's not just me that has come to the conclusion that there is more than a whiff of corruption about this slot. I play Raging Rhino nearly every day, and have done since it was launched. The bankroll that I allow it per session has got a lot smaller these days though. It's gotten just too dangerous lately.

To your list above I would also add (bearing in mind this is supposed to be a "random" slot.. cough..) :-

- The rare "streak" where Diamonds drop in every 20-30 spins - this can go on for over 2 hours, it's happened to me on about 10 occasions. The probability of this occurring randomly must be ridiculously small.

- The 4 Diamond Death Trigger, where 99% of the time the slot drops stone dead for ages afterwards.

- Massive retriggering bonus (in spin terms) again causing the thing to clam up and do bugger all for ~1000 spins afterwards - every single time!


Best strategy for this is, I find, not to play for too long - low roll on 40p-80p and try to hit a big bonus, increase stake with caution and walk if it has gone dead. Despite the tinfoil theories, it's still very enjoyable. But a big raspberry to Williams for taking the damn lazy way and removing autospin instead of reprogramming it for the UK market. And another raspberry for not releasing any classic WMS slots lately, instead choosing to churn out licensed dribble like Epic Monopoly and Monopoly Once Around The Board. Don't they realise how well the Cheshire Cat, Fortune Ruler or Lone Wolf would do...?

 

[JkG]

I haven't been playing it (probably) as much as you guys but one thing I've noticed is there is never an A across.. Usually always 10s Js or Qs sometimes Ks across 2 to 3 reels but oddly never As.

I've had a spread of cheetahs before and eagles (are they eagles or vultures..Maybe vultures hmm)

 

[JkG]

Oh and I love the term diamond death trigger

 

[slot_zombie]

I haven't been playing it (probably) as much as you guys but one thing I've noticed is there is never an A across.. Usually always 10s Js or Qs sometimes Ks across 2 to 3 reels but oddly never As.

I've had a spread of cheetahs before and eagles (are they eagles or vultures..Maybe vultures hmm)

You must be referring to the Honey Badger. There's no birds on Raging Rhino. Just Honey Badgers, Crocs, Cheetahs, Gorillas and of course Rhinos.

 

[SpinUk]

OK, here's my essay on the Rapist. As you will know, players claim to have played 'millions of spins' on x slot blah blah. Usually massively exaggerated. In my case, you've seen my videos, many of them and I have genuinely played hundreds of K's of spins on the bastard.

Now we know WMS are gimped, mainly in the way they 'telegraph' the impending feature. I know there is also a human tendency to see patterns and therefore 'foil hat' about things. IGT can also telegraph features as do Bally. Basically a US thing it seems.

I am past caring about the foil hat accusations. As a logical-minded human I am now convinced beyond the realms of statistical probability that the rogering Rhino is as bent as an 80's pop-star convention.

Outside the realms of random probability I have seen the following far too much:

1. A large 5 or 6-reel Rhino combo drops in during base game, very next spin a feature trigger of 3 scatters.
2. A little 3-spin sequence as follows: CRASH CRASH! 2 diamonds. CRASH CRASH! 2 diamonds. Third spin CRASH CRASH CRASH! Feature trigger.
3. Every 20 or so features you will see both of these usually: A, a next-spin trigger. B, a next spin-but-one trigger. (after the previous feature finishes.)
4. A big win drop in the very next spin after a shit BoG feature finishes.
5. Wins with 3-5 reels of 10's are quite common, but if you see the 10 between 2 queens reel one there is seldom a 10's win.
6. Cheetah wins are seldom over 2 reels across, but the 3rd. reel will always block them with a 9.
7. The incidence of reel 1 with J.Q.K or 2xQ/2xK in free games is simply excessive compared to the base game.

The worst however which has put me off the game now is this:

I usually play 40p-1.20. All my 1000x wins have come at 40p bar 1 at 80p. Now I didn't make a fuss at the time, but I have experienced 5 consecutive BoGs on 6 occasions in those hundreds of K's of games. (Many players exaggerate saying they got 13 or 11 etc. but they most likely didn't - they simply had 4 or 5 and the others were those annoying ones that pay BoG plus a credit or 2)

At Whitebet once I won 2.3k on TwinSpin so decided to high-roll the Rapist at 3.20 - 6 euros. I lost half my balance before quitting and withdrawing. I had NINE FEATURES at mainly 4 euros and 6 euros. EVERY ONE PAID BoG!! smashing my hitherto comparatively glorious sequences of 5 BoGs. I was left literally in shock as the 6th. then 7th. did the same and by the ninth was boiling. I calmed down by next day and put it down to sheer bad luck, however tempting to foil hat it was. I had forgotten about this until Friday.

Having made a larger than usual deposit of 500 due to a previous w/d being in my a/c from earlier in the week, I decided to have a high-roll on the buggering beast at £3.20 spins. The first SIX features ALL BoG and NONE RETRIGGERED! So, in hundreds of K's of spins by sheer coincidence!! I exceeded the 5 BoG run (again!) just when the stakes happened to be raised. It was then that it hit me, a switch in my mind that said "I smell bullshit!"

I did get the feature again, at 2.40 and a 4-scatter one which gave me 91 spins. Bearing in mind these spins have multiplier wilds so the RTP should be higher than base game, I managed 62 x stake, about 66% for them. Not one gave 2 wilds counting nor 3 or more animals. No other game I have played frequently from any software has ever given me cause to feel there's something not quite right about it. This has.

In my experience all slots play the way you are describing, certainly from the major software providers. I would not go as far to say that spins results are long term linked to an individual player, (although I have seen some evidence that this may not be the case), but this is my theory:

Spin outcome is reliant on the volume of players and net monetary input into the game. If I was designing a product for the market that was going to be scalable - i.e I could supply it to small operators with budgets of say £500,000 right upto the big players with multiple millions, with true random variance, a small number of high rollers could take out a small casino overnight with a few wins. So the solution would be to have a product that would have an intrinsic, weighted variance that was variable according to the amount pumped into it as well as the volume of players. This would greatly reduce the risk to smaller operators, making my potential client base much more diverse, the fact that there remains a degree of randomness (although weighted in a controlled manner to compensate for risk to the operator) would mean that I could still market that product as "random" and crucially RTP could be maintained for regulatory bodies legal scrutiny.

However, the upshot is that if you are playing a game when its "cold", or on the rtp claw back cycle, what may be a documented (averaged) 1 in 150 chance of bonus would be pushed right back, in compensation for historical payouts and to protect the operator. The chance of bonus remains, but they now become 1 in 700, or 800. And as funds are returned and people "lose", the RTP will creep back back up and the game warms up and so the cycle continues. Stakesize of course would need to be intrinsic to this theory, as larger stakes increase the risk to the operator and so chances of large wins - depending on where the RTP cycle is - reduce accordingly.

"Ahh", cycnics say, "but there is no need for any compensation as the reel sets etc have all been calculated, why would they need to intervene to artificially modify an RTP". Well, the answer is that with the previous model, there is an inbuilt safety measure protecting a casinos bankroll, who If I am a slot producer, are the current and future buyers of my product. With the cynics model there is no such control. Both can produce a stated lifetime rtp that will meet the regulatory demands well and both will produce random results, to a degree, however only one model is truly random. So I would argue that what matters is not being "lucky" in the sense of a true random result, but more being lucky of playing a slot at the right time when the rtp cycle is on the upswing relative to previous payouts, which in turn increases my chances of larger wins.

That's my theory anyway, and how I would set it if I had a repeat business model selling a volatile financial product to protect my buyers.

 

[jacko10]

definately my fave at the moment

 

[JkG]

I've no attached images... Quite frankly I was so shocked after such a bad run I had absent minded hit spin before I realised a screenshot would have been nice but I had withdrawn from casumo last night and was playing with my over balance and hit rhinos and aces in the bonus... 3x2x2 I think it was? Anyway 332 on one spin for 80p.
Then about twenty minutes later I hit rhinos all the way to the 5th reel and 180 euro. So I withdrew that shiiiiit and went on my merry way. . In complete shock obviously

 

[JkG]

I've no attached images... Quite frankly I was so shocked after such a bad run I had absent minded hit spin before I realised a screenshot would have been nice but I had withdrawn from casumo last night and was playing with my over balance and hit rhinos and aces in the bonus... 3x2x2 I think it was? Anyway 332.00 on one spin for 80p in bonus. That was after several bonus rounds of "bonus guarantee" after 30 spins approx.

Then about twenty minutes later I hit rhinos all the way to the 5th reel and 180 euro. So I withdrew that shiiiiit and went on my merry way. . In complete shock obviously

 

[JkG]

You must be referring to the Honey Badger. There's no birds on Raging Rhino. Just Honey Badgers, Crocs, Cheetahs, Gorillas and of course Rhinos.

No. Raging rhino for me across all casinos has birds. They have beaks. Black/grey mean looking birds with beaks. I saw this before where people mentioned the honey badger and I wondered what they were talking about. It is indeed a bird of prey here, along with cheetahs, cross, gorillas and rhinos.
That's weird. Il get a screen grab later on (not going back in there till my withdrawal is processed lol)

Edit: Ok now I feel like a complete twonk. I took a screen shot and zoomed in. They now appear to be Honey Badgers. This is what I get for playing on mobile. Everything is so much smaller than what you guys see.
huge homer "d'oh" from me.

 

[curremon]

Only 500 spins today it took me to get feature... 28 spins and bonus guarantee... rhino has been dead for me so long :'(

 

[slot_zombie]

Only 500 spins today it took me to get feature... 28 spins and bonus guarantee... rhino has been dead for me so long :'(

Standard filth from the Rhino unfortunately :-(

 

[curremon]

Standard filth from the Rhino unfortunately :-(

Extinction is real here....
Dunover has hunted every last of them down

 

[Jono777]

..got to have done

geez this thing is the deadist I have ever known it.

Know it can be brutal, have had some crackers over the months but this last couple of weeks the thing has no mercy. NONE!

30 deposit + 24 bonus

1xFG (0.40) Straight off

1 x Just over FG (0.80) not long after

Then came the 'off' switch (back to minimum bet pretty sharpish), no feature, highest win 5x and BOOM, BANG, BUST - didn't even manage 45 minutes.

 

[BeanParpington]

Had a £1477 win on an 80p bonus round about 4 weeks ago, since then I must have had over 30 features at 40p,80p and £1.20 and not one has returned over £15!

Think I'll quit the rhino now before it recoups the £1477 again

 

[dunover]

Look people, I am starting to get concerned about you lot. I played this when it first came out and made videos of the excremental game and unfortunately had some decent hits. This seems to have encouraged lots of new CM players of the raping bastard. I do have a conscience and look - I'm too far gone to be saved but some of you can still redeem yourselves from despair, impending homelessness and computer-smashing.

The scenario has been made worse by people like Tirilej (2000x stake in her early days with the game) and Webzcas (10k win nearly at £10 stake) taking the piss, teasing us with their fluky triumphs. The only way you'll make cash from this selfish fat orange creature is to shoot it and rip it's horn out and flog it to the Chinese. It even puts in numeric code how evil it is, being 6 reels, 6 when you multiply its 2 different wilds together (2x3=6) and 6 when you add its 2 highest multipliers together (3+3).

The beast has shown its 3 6's and it's still being played. Save yourselves, please!

 

[chris87]

Had a £1477 win on an 80p bonus round about 4 weeks ago, since then I must have had over 30 features at 40p,80p and £1.20 and not one has returned over £15!

Think I'll quit the rhino now before it recoups the £1477 again

Which it probably will over time!

Chris

 

[Jono777]

After months of submission, I was the dominant one last night and it was my turn to show NO MERCY.

Granted it got the better of me at first, bust at Leo Vegas, bust at Thrills but then came mighty Redbet....

'Hey Horny Orange tart, I cannot be the 'receiver' each and every time, you have got to give and take in this life, In this instance take it like a bitch.'

Now bend right down, keep still and I promise I will be as gentle as possible!


Video to follow...................

 

[theapple]

Look people, I am starting to get concerned about you lot. I played this when it first came out and made videos of the excremental game and unfortunately had some decent hits. This seems to have encouraged lots of new CM players of the raping bastard. I do have a conscience and look - I'm too far gone to be saved but some of you can still redeem yourselves from despair, impending homelessness and computer-smashing.

The scenario has been made worse by people like Tirilej (2000x stake in her early days with the game) and Webzcas (10k win nearly at £10 stake) taking the piss, teasing us with their fluky triumphs. The only way you'll make cash from this selfish fat orange creature is to shoot it and rip it's horn out and flog it to the Chinese. It even puts in numeric code how evil it is, being 6 reels, 6 when you multiply its 2 different wilds together (2x3=6) and 6 when you add its 2 highest multipliers together (3+3).

The beast has shown its 3 6's and it's still being played. Save yourselves, please!

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[aceking123]

going to give it a proper bash at some point , so shall update once i've been trashed via it.

surely it cannot be this bad ???

 

[goatwack]

going to give it a proper bash at some point , so shall update once i've been trashed via it.

surely it cannot be this bad ???

I think Jon's just cleaned up with this b'stard game. You'll have more joy pissing into a gale

 

[aceking123]

I think Jon's just cleaned up with this b'stard game. You'll have more joy pissing into a gale

yup i think your correct , always nice to see members here hitting those wins )

 

[Tirilej]

Look people, I am starting to get concerned about you lot. I played this when it first came out and made videos of the excremental game and unfortunately had some decent hits. This seems to have encouraged lots of new CM players of the raping bastard. I do have a conscience and look - I'm too far gone to be saved but some of you can still redeem yourselves from despair, impending homelessness and computer-smashing.

The scenario has been made worse by people like Tirilej (2000x stake in her early days with the game) and Webzcas (10k win nearly at £10 stake) taking the piss, teasing us with their fluky triumphs. The only way you'll make cash from this selfish fat orange creature is to shoot it and rip it's horn out and flog it to the Chinese. It even puts in numeric code how evil it is, being 6 reels, 6 when you multiply its 2 different wilds together (2x3=6) and 6 when you add its 2 highest multipliers together (3+3).

The beast has shown its 3 6's and it's still being played. Save yourselves, please!

It was almost 3000x Hit almost the same a few weeks ago and several 1000x and 2000x hits that I haven't even posted just for the reason you mention.
You made me play it but since I like it and that kind of high variance game I will continue...and clean it out even more

 

[Nicola]

I have decided to play some Raging Rhino tonight and after looking at Dunover's recommended fast-paying list I'm going to take some bonuses to help my chances.

Only annoyance is auto-spin, so may use the iPad to speed things up! From everything I've seen on Jon's and Dazzas video's I think I'm ready

 

[Jono777]

Go! - Go! - Go!

And good luck