R.T.G Casinos, Are We Sure Its The Software Or The Casinos?

GGW Laurie

Well-Known Member
i just have a hard time with the thought its just the software, are we 100% sure that they cant set it to the casinos advantage, so many people are compaining about different r.t.g casinos, some have done well and others have just went south, no features, no decent line wins and these are two of the most popular casinos listed and most played here by forum members, someone said in another post, its not the casinos but the software, would they be willing to bet money?, i wouldnt!! i have noticed a bad streak on at atleast two of them(wont name casinos), it seems somethings just not right in the past couple of weeks, anyone else noticed this besides myself or am i just losing my rabbit ass mind?..........................laurie
 

debbiek

Banned User
Something hasn't been "right" for months now. Almost this entire year. Apparently they've changed their business philosophy and busines model. They can maintain or increase profitability by lowering payouts, insuring they have monopolized the market for customers based on reputation (remember only a handful of honest RTG's out there) and very few options for U.S. citizens to play.

There will always be new customers coming in to "give it a try" and these casinos will either let them win once to get their return business (and then lose,lose, lose) or they'll just lose from the get-go. That's why they give attractive new sign-up bonus offers with huge wagering requirements.

As for the current customer base, they hope you "remember" how you may have won there in the past and come back for that same rush or experience. It takes a while for gamblers to admit that the fun is over and the odds of it happening again (particulary now) are very slim.
 

kakata

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i just have a hard time with the thought its just the software, are we 100% sure that they cant set it to the casinos advantage, so many people are compaining about different r.t.g casinos, some have done well and others have just went south, no features, no decent line wins and these are two of the most popular casinos listed and most played here by forum members, someone said in another post, its not the casinos but the software, would they be willing to bet money?, i wouldnt!! i have noticed a bad streak on at atleast two of them(wont name casinos), it seems somethings just not right in the past couple of weeks, anyone else noticed this besides myself or am i just losing my rabbit ass mind?..........................laurie


You wont cause we know alraedy.......
lets be more kakata's or Tim way....thruth thruth thruth
 

babs7262

Banned User
I havnt had a decent run at (blah blah rtg) since that stupid hit i couldnt conveniently cashout because of the bonus they gave me without asking me if I even wanted it.

I tried that new one but didnt get anything all 3 times
 

footdr

Banned User: PITA violations of the Forum Rules
THE RNG IS NOT RANDOM

slots are not random, no way to prove or disprove that except by experience playing. If they are random then the payout percentages reported are highly exagerated.

I have virtually no method left to deposit enough at one time to make it worth it.

Our days are numbered, the signs are on the wall.
 

babs7262

Banned User
I tend to agree with you Foot Dr. I just have an eerie feeling that they are gonna suck as much money as they can before shutting us USA players out.

Its a damn shame because I have a real love for those video slots. IMO they are some of the funniest and entertaining games Ive ever played. I think that is why alot of us do go back and back. Playing in funmode is like drinking near beer to me, whats the point. So we deposit and deposit until one day theyll be gone from us(US)

It was fun while it lasted though!
 

classymom

Senior Member
I'm afraid I too have to admit that our Government is about to permanently tell us what we can't do with our money. It really burns my butt to know that a few people can have the right to tell me what I can or cant do with my money. The deposits seem to still go pretty easy, but I haven't seen a withdrawal worth noticing in a looooooong time. :mad:
 

Alexishot69

Banned User
we will never know

I think the bottom line is really we will never ever know what casinos can and cannot do if anything to change %s ..my humble opinion is that they can set % payouts at whatever they like but thats never ever going to be admitted or denied cos again the truth is we simply will never ever know..its really the same as poker are the cards indeed random? my guess is they are pre programmed hands that come out randomly but yet again i can only guess at this cos we simply do not know.i certainly will never accuse a casino of cheating because what evidence do i have? none except i can only surmise that they can ..and when you play vp and hit a K or an A 20x in a row to lose all gambles and then they say its random then you have to work out for yourself but again cannot accuse anyone of cheating..incidentally that was true on playtech at betfred 20x in a row hit an A or a K so instead of accusing them of cheating i just dont play there anymore or anyother playtech casinos..
 

GGW Laurie

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i will have to say that i have done better at club than inetbet in the past few weeks, better at jack pot capital than the the others, it could be the software and not the casinos or vice/ versa, i would hate to think that they are trying to take in as much money as they can and then shut the U.S player down, it would be nice to see a rtg rep answer this and not an affiliate.......................laurie
 

Mousey

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Up until recently, I have always leaned toward thinking the major casino softwares are (pseudo) random, the Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet scandals have served to make me very leary of the casino operators (who might have a 'bad' employee) as well as poker room operators. The poker room fiasco also leaves wondering just what can be done if 'back doors' are left (intentionally or accidently) in the casino software.
 

Alexishot69

Banned User
agreed

Up until recently, I have always leaned toward thinking the major casino softwares are (pseudo) random, the Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet scandals have served to make me very leary of the casino operators (who might have a 'bad' employee) as well as poker room operators. The poker room fiasco also leaves wondering just what can be done if 'back doors' are left (intentionally or accidently) in the casino software.
Have to agree totally with your point and i am sure the AP/UB scandal has not only affected there site but has made people round the world realise this could literally be going on at any site.Money and greed g hand in hand and where theres a way to make even more /$ then its human nature to do it..had this been a scandal at a smaller site then it woul dhave gone away a lot easier but truth is for all we know it coul dbe rife at all sites..it prob isnt but the seed of doubt was sewn the day this scandal was exposed..as for casinos and setting % im sure a while ago looking through old posts i read a thread about owning a online casino and it did state you coul dset your own % so you dont wake up with a huge payout..im positive i read it somewhere...but bottom line is its computer technology is human programmed so it MUST be able to be human tinkered with.....
 

aka23

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i just have a hard time with the thought its just the software, are we 100% sure that they cant set it to the casinos advantage, so many people are compaining about different r.t.g casinos, some have done well and others have just went south, no features, no decent line wins and these are two of the most popular casinos listed and most played here by forum members, someone said in another post, its not the casinos but the software, would they be willing to bet money?, i wouldnt!! i have noticed a bad streak on at atleast two of them(wont name casinos), it seems somethings just not right in the past couple of weeks, anyone else noticed this besides myself or am i just losing my rabbit ass mind?..........................laurie
RTG operators can set their slots to one of 3 payouts. I believe the 3 payout options are 95% (default), 97.5% and 92.5%. Most other games have similar choices for operators. For example, operators can choose 1 of 3 paytables for VP games, or 1-255 decks in BJ with/without surrender.
 

GGW Laurie

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i have to rant a bit

im just looking for different ideas on the subject, no ill will meant toward any of the r.t.g casinos, i just felt like something has been amiss these past few weeks and wondered if its the software or the casinos, i am not implying that these casinos will cheat players and im sorry if it may have came accross that way, i just want to know the truth, there have been good posts going both ways.what has me worried is the statement that they may be getting ready to pull out on the american players, whether true or not id sure feel better knowing, maybe we (me) are just being paranoid that the end of gaming for the u.s player may be near the end, and thats so sad for the american people that we cant enjoy that freedom as some do even in third world countries when it comes to gaming online.if they would just regulate it, i could live with that, someone asked me if id pay taxes, sure i would, we would all have too, it would weed out the rogue casinos imo, but why dont they do this? why dont they go after the sickos using the internet for child porn, a much better way the spend american taxes or the deadbeat fathers and mothers who owe back child support that we all have to end up paying for in the long run , this would be the perfect way to help stimulate the u.s economy, can you imagine the taxes they would get plus any state taxes, you have to pay them at a b/m casino so why not online? my rant is over......sorry....laurie
 

tim5ny

Quit Gambling
slots are not random, no way to prove or disprove that except by experience playing. If they are random then the payout percentages reported are highly exagerated.

I have virtually no method left to deposit enough at one time to make it worth it.

Our days are numbered, the signs are on the wall.

We can't prove anything, but I agree with you. I'm not being sour about it because I choose to deposit, but when you've played thousands of hours than your eyes begin to be opened. They are so clever!
 

Westland Bowl

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RTG operators can set their slots to one of 3 payouts. I believe the 3 payout options are 95% (default), 97.5% and 92.5%. Most other games have similar choices for operators. For example, operators can choose 1 of 3 paytables for VP games, or 1-255 decks in BJ with/without surrender.
So I'm wondering....if the payout can be "set" to certain percentages and they chose the lower payout percentage, does that mean if you bet a higher amount in blackjack, this will force a losing hand if you are already winning higher than the payout? If so, then you are not losing because the "long-run" has kicked in but you are forced to lose by the software.:what: I'd be extremely pissed if that is the case which is increasingly looking likely.:mad:
 

Rusty

Banned User - repetitive flaming
im just looking for different ideas on the subject, no ill will meant toward any of the r.t.g casinos, i just felt like something has been amiss these past few weeks and wondered if its the software or the casinos, i am not implying that these casinos will cheat players and im sorry if it may have came accross that way, i just want to know the truth, there have been good posts going both ways.what has me worried is the statement that they may be getting ready to pull out on the american players, whether true or not id sure feel better knowing, maybe we (me) are just being paranoid that the end of gaming for the u.s player may be near the end, and thats so sad for the american people that we cant enjoy that freedom as some do even in third world countries when it comes to gaming online.if they would just regulate it, i could live with that, someone asked me if id pay taxes, sure i would, we would all have too, it would weed out the rogue casinos imo, but why dont they do this? why dont they go after the sickos using the internet for child porn, a much better way the spend american taxes or the deadbeat fathers and mothers who owe back child support that we all have to end up paying for in the long run , this would be the perfect way to help stimulate the u.s economy, can you imagine the taxes they would get plus any state taxes, you have to pay them at a b/m casino so why not online? my rant is over......sorry....laurie
Hey there are now new lyrics to the US national anthem.

In, the land of the free,
by the Dawns early light,
A random jackpot I hailed,
and I thought I was dreaming,
whose Red sevens and Black bars,
were spinning through the Night,
O'er the net I was watched
by surveillance video streaming?
and the lazer sights red glare
frag grenades bursting in air,
Gave proof that I was right,
That Bush is not all there.
O, say, does that
Star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free
and the home of the Brave?

Please don't take offence Americans, just a bit of fun.
 

Rusty

Banned User - repetitive flaming
So I'm wondering....if the payout can be "set" to certain percentages and they chose the lower payout percentage, does that mean if you bet a higher amount in blackjack, this will force a losing hand if you are already winning higher than the payout? If so, then you are not losing because the "long-run" has kicked in but you are forced to lose by the software.:what: I'd be extremely pissed if that is the case which is increasingly looking likely.:mad:
That is very interesting point.
I assume they are only talking about slots and other games that have no natural house edge, otherwise playing things like roulette at 92%,would as you say, make people very pissed off!
Of course the fact that a slot payout can be altered by any other means than adjusting the paytable should be cause for concern.
I have no idea why these 3 set figures are banded about as it has been stated that the payout is adjusted by altering the symbol layout and since it is possible to do this dynamically in flash (no need to download a big file you can swap a single image and use a switch in the code) you could have as many payout options as you wanted.
Not to mention the fact that I have never had over a 90% return at any RTG casino makes me blink twice.
Most of this has been discussd in the slot mechanics thread,
 

GGW Laurie

Well-Known Member
Hey there are now new lyrics to the US national anthem.

In, the land of the free,
by the Dawns early light,
A random jackpot I hailed,
and I thought I was dreaming,
whose Red sevens and Black bars,
were spinning through the Night,
O'er the net I was watched
by surveillance video streaming?
and the lazer sights red glare
frag grenades bursting in air,
Gave proof that I was right,
That Bush is not all there.
O, say, does that
Star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free
and the home of the Brave?

Please don't take offence Americans, just a bit of fun.
:D no offence taken by me rusty, im proud to be an american,we the people make america a great nation, not the goverment
 

GGW Laurie

Well-Known Member
rusty had me so moved, i almost forgot what i wanted to post, i asked a casino(rtg) manager a long time ago about this and of course he said no on the slots but there is something they can do with the cards, add another deck or switch the decks of cards, that i do remember, it was at a rogue casino b.t.w and he know longer works there.................laurie
 

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