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QuickTender Statement - 7 June 2011

The Dude

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The artist formally known as Casinomeister
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This just in from the folks at QT:

"The management of QuickTender would like to give an update on the status of QuickTender account balance.

Contrary to some speculation in the forums here and elsewhere, certain funds
of QuickTender have indeed been subject to a seizure order by the US
authorities. We hope to advise those affected in the near future on the
status of these funds. The funds were withheld from our processor,
ChargeStream Ltd and the action is a matter that is in the public domain.
Whilst not all of our funds are affected, a significant amount has been.
QuickTender is a reputable organisation, and we wish to ensure so far as we
can that our account holders do not lose their funds in our care.

We are looking at how we can release funds to our account holders as soon as
possible, however because of current restrictions we are unable to transmit
any funds in USD.

In order for customers to have their balances refunded, at present they will
need to have a currency account in Euros as we can currently cannot make any
payments into any USD denominated accounts. If you do not have an account
in Euros we would urge you to obtain one in order to receive your funds.

At the end of this week QuickTender aims to advise further on enabling
withdrawal of funds from your QuickTender Account.

Please bear with us in these difficult times as we endeavour to resolve the
situation despite the severe limitations we face."
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Some of this "speculation" came from the DoJ themselves, who seem to be telling players that the DoJ does NOT have their money, and that QT are the ones who have it.

This statement has no doubt emerged because of the speculation that the problem will cause international Ecocard customers to be exposed to the risk that their funds are not sufficiently underwritten, and may not therefore be available "on demand" should they all want them back at once.

How exactly do they propose their US customers get a Euro account? Even if they did, this would merely shift the risk away from QT to individual customers should their Euro accounts come under the spotlight as being a means to launder money.
I doubt EU based banks will simply allow any US citizen to just open an EU currency account, because if it were that easy, US players would NOT be using the likes of QT, EWX, etc in the first place, and would all have set up Euro accounts for their online gambling.
 
It doesn't matter anyway, you can't even get into your quicktender account. There is no way anyone has access to their quicktender account, to even transfer money to a casino.

This is going to be interesting to see how this all plays out....Now we just wait and see.

LH
 
vinylweatherman said:
How exactly do they propose their US customers get a Euro account? Even if they did, this would merely shift the risk away from QT to individual customers should their Euro accounts come under the spotlight as being a means to launder money.
I doubt EU based banks will simply allow any US citizen to just open an EU currency account, because if it were that easy, US players would NOT be using the likes of QT, EWX, etc in the first place, and would all have set up Euro accounts for their online gambling.
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QT knows this is an impossible scenario. They will benefit from our disadvantage and that just pisses me off!:mad:
 
bpb said:
Uh ... opening an offshore account from the US is not impossible ...

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Thanks for the info bpb. Much appreciated and very interesting.

Personally? Am not gonna do it. I was fortunate to whittle down most of my funds and cash out with a reputable establishment. Would I like to get my balance back? Of course! However I am not going to jump through hoops to do it. I can't justify the time, legwork and expense for what I have left. If it were the original balance, then I would attempt.

From my perspective QT should do their best to go out of their way and rectify this matter, not expect us to have to go on a treasure hunt in hopes of getting any money back.

I will wait and see how this whole scene goes down.

Christine
 
samoas said:
QT knows this is an impossible scenario. They will benefit from our disadvantage and that just pisses me off!:mad:
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You have no idea what these people are dealing with nor do I except to imagine and it probably isn't fun for them either. This is a hobby or entertainment for us but they might be hanging in limbo somewhere waiting for their paychecks. All I'm saying is point your anger in the right direction and have a little faith in qt because everyone in this world is not out to screw you. It wouldn't do qt any good in the long run to do that would it? Try not to keep biting the hand that may be trying to give you money. :confused:
 
felicie said:
You have no idea what these people are dealing with nor do I except to imagine and it probably isn't fun for them either. This is a hobby or entertainment for us but they might be hanging in limbo somewhere waiting for their paychecks. All I'm saying is point your anger in the right direction and have a little faith in qt because everyone in this world is not out to screw you. It wouldn't do qt any good in the long run to do that would it? Try not to keep biting the hand that may be trying to give you money. :confused:
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It is very hard to have faith in QT after seeing them keep taking deposits like nothing was happening. They never sent out emails to their customers stating their withdrawal problems (unless you sent in a complaint). I do feel sorry for the employees of QT if their job is in trouble but I have no remorse for whoever is running the show over there. I highly doubt paying us is on the top of their to-do list.

Also... for some people it was not just for a hobby or for entertainment purposes.
 
Candee13 said:
It is very hard to have faith in QT after seeing them keep taking deposits like nothing was happening. They never sent out emails to their customers stating their withdrawal problems (unless you sent in a complaint). I do feel sorry for the employees of QT if their job is in trouble but I have no remorse for whoever is running the show over there. I highly doubt paying us is on the top of their to-do list.

Also... for some people it was not just for a hobby or for entertainment purposes.
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If not a hobby or entertainment, what else would you call waiting for a cashout? There's obviously something I'm missing here so please explain. thank you Candee
 
felicie said:
If not a hobby or entertainment, what else would you call waiting for a cashout? There's obviously something I'm missing here so please explain. thank you Candee
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Well I think some people gamble for a living. They may depend on this money for paying bills and supporting their families. Online gambling might be their primary source of income. Some players may have had quite a bit tied up in QT.

Here is an article about the impact of the poker sites shutting down. I am thinking QT shutting down had simular effects on many.

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So Felicie... does this explain it better or am I missing something?
 
felicie said:
You have no idea what these people are dealing with nor do I except to imagine and it probably isn't fun for them either. This is a hobby or entertainment for us but they might be hanging in limbo somewhere waiting for their paychecks. All I'm saying is point your anger in the right direction and have a little faith in qt because everyone in this world is not out to screw you. It wouldn't do qt any good in the long run to do that would it? Try not to keep biting the hand that may be trying to give you money. :confused:
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Felicie,

I strongly disagree. You cannot dictate a person's feelings/opinions.

I have every right (and many others) to be angry. Personally? It is not about the money for me, it is about principle! QT continued to conduct business as if all was normal knowing damn well their funds were tied up. If it was not for this forum and the outcry of members many players would not have known. I was blown away when I did a google search weeks ago & numerous poker/gaming forums got the word of QTs' issues from Casinomesiter.

QT was NOT honest about this situation from the onset of this mess. If it wasn't for Bryan's inquiring, we might not have had answers for weeks! My financial loss is a pittance in comparison to others. I consider it a wash. The employees of QT that are affected, I feel for. The players who have monies in limbo? I feel for even more so. QT is a customer service based company. We as consumers, deserve upfront, honest communication.

I never take the outlook of the world is trying to screw me. QT is not my world!:) I am smart enough to see writing on the wall. It was a gamble for all of us to use these processors knowing full well DOJ has been on a witch hunt. That does not make QT in the right & as I said before I will sit back and wait for more news to follow.

Christine

aka the Optomist :)
 
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Candee13 said:
Well I think some people gamble for a living. They may depend on this money for paying bills and supporting their families. Online gambling might be their primary source of income. Some players may have had quite a bit tied up in QT.

Here is an article about the impact of the poker sites shutting down. I am thinking QT shutting down had simular effects on many.

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So Felicie... does this explain it better or am I missing something?
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Also, affiliates from America probably used qt as a way to get paid often I would assume?
 
checks

Could QT not send checks to US players? As they are no longer conducting illegal business with the USA, would the DOJ not allow them to send checks or even do wires? This is exactly what happened with PokerStars, as the DOJ even said publicly they were not blocking payments to players.

On one hand I am very happy that QT is communicating with players but on the other hand there are many oddities, least of which is why is their website not up for people to check their records and to confirm whether or not casinos actually sent money there in the final days?

On a somewhat unrelated aside, any news at all from EwalletXpress? QT's shutdown seems to be attracting a lot more attention than EWX's demise, yet EWX's website remains open. There is now a "merchant help" section.

Unfortunately, I have money tied up in both :( :(
 
I emailed them at first sign of trouble

My email requested that they close my account and delete all of my bank account information/remove my credit/debit card account numbers and wire transfer information and to email me when accomplished.

This was before they discontinued transfers to merchants with monies in your account.

I never received a reply and now since website shutdown, can't even contact them

They should have left the site open for players to access their account histories i.e. credits and debits. They suck!:mad:

We don't even have access to our account information?
whats up with that? Shouldn't be any reason for it.
 
Novemberlady1 said:
I just got an email saying the only way to get my money out now is to have a EURO account so guess I have lost $2200 and that they can't transfer funds to merchants .
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Why novermberlady, do you feel that you lost this money? This sounds like a good thing! They are communicating unlike Ewalletxpress and they gave you exact instructions and time frames. All you have to do is the legwork to open a euro bank account. This is not an impossibility if you are a US resident.
 
greasemonkey said:
Why novermberlady, do you feel that you lost this money? This sounds like a good thing! They are communicating unlike Ewalletxpress and they gave you exact instructions and time frames. All you have to do is the legwork to open a euro bank account. This is not an impossibility if you are a US resident.
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I'm just a granny in Texas and would not have a clue how to do that. But thanks for your reply::))
 
E-mail From Quicktender

This is an e-mail I received on 6/21 from Quicktender. The thing is I didn't have any money in my account. I received the payment to my bank on 5/12. Hope this helps....

LH

We are writing to advise that to the best of our knowledge your QuickTender withdrawal for $500.0000 on the 09/05/2011 03:45:37 processed by Chargestream Ltd has been seized by the United States Attorney’s Office (USAO).

We believe in due course an order will be made to the courts to forfeit these funds and as soon as we become aware of further information our intention is to share that with you. Neither QuickTender nor our processing partner Chargestream have the financial resources to make good these funds. However, you will be a valid claimant of a proportion of overall funds seized you can file a claim with the court. You can check as well each day on the website www.forfeiture.gov searching under Chargestream for the notice to be posted.

We had prior to this announcement moved your funds to an ‘uncleared’ status. If you do still have a positive balance we will be advising on how to make a withdrawal of these remaining available funds via a separate email communication.

We realise this is not good news and are deeply sorry that the USA authorities have taken this action to seize and forfeit your funds.


QuickTender Team
 
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LHofsdal said:
It doesn't matter anyway, you can't even get into your quicktender account. There is no way anyone has access to their quicktender account, to even transfer money to a casino.

This is going to be interesting to see how this all plays out....Now we just wait and see.

LH
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they said in July to August for specific days you will be able to log into your account and send the money to a EURO account but that they cannot send to merchants or in US dollars
 
good news, but....

I think the QT email today is good news, but I have the following concern. If all they are doing is returning players money, why can't they make a deal with the DOJ to allow them to return the player's funds, just like PokerStars did?

There are no indictments against QT to the best of my knowledge, and they are out of business (what US Gov wanted, I presume), so I would think an exception could/would be made to allow for repayment of money, just like pokerstars.

I also think it's strange that the site is not up but yet they are promising to be open on July 1. I hope it works out, but I'm not completely convinced.
 
See I don't see the recent news from QuickTender as good news at all. Because now your going to have to explain to our government why you feel your entitled to part of those funds. They already know the funds are for gambling. So your pretty much going to have to explain why on god's earth your entitled to gambling funds that they see your not entitled to anyways. Because in there eye's gambling is illegal. Plus even if they are nice enough and gives you a part of the funds that were seized. You know for sure the rest of your life that your gambling. They'll be watching you like a hawk. Unless if it was for a really, really large sum. I wouldn't risk telling the government anything about my personal business. Then again it's not my money or my life.
Pretty much I see this as QuickTender has given up and is not going to pay it's players at all. Which is pretty much what they have told everyone. So now there telling you to go to your government on your and beg for you money or else just not bother anymore.
The only thing is though, where has all those commissions gone that they've collected over the years from us, the merchants, and other sources. I mean hasn't that amounted to anything or is that already gone?
 
cheetahwind said:
See I don't see the recent news from QuickTender as good news at all. Because now your going to have to explain to our government why you feel your entitled to part of those funds. They already know the funds are for gambling. So your pretty much going to have to explain why on god's earth your entitled to gambling funds that they see your not entitled to anyways. Because in there eye's gambling is illegal. Plus even if they are nice enough and gives you a part of the funds that were seized. You know for sure the rest of your life that your gambling. They'll be watching you like a hawk. Unless if it was for a really, really large sum. I wouldn't risk telling the government anything about my personal business. Then again it's not my money or my life.
Pretty much I see this as QuickTender has given up and is not going to pay it's players at all. Which is pretty much what they have told everyone. So now there telling you to go to your government on your and beg for you money or else just not bother anymore.
The only thing is though, where has all those commissions gone that they've collected over the years from us, the merchants, and other sources. I mean hasn't that amounted to anything or is that already gone?
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You could approach the government as a VICTIM, since these casinos actively marketed to the US, and kept on making statements that it was perfectly LEGAL to gamble itself. Even UIGEA doesn't ban gambling, but is a law for the BANKS and other third party processors.

You could argue that you are a victim of a widespread SCAM where these sites have gone to considerable lengths to appear legit, including SPECIFIC inducements to US players, such as using the US Dollar, US themed websites and promotions, etc.

You could then argue that the seized funds was from these sites RETURNING your money, and that thay have now "done a runner" with you never having received this money, and that it was THEY who told you to pursue the government, and not them, for this money.

Buried in the text of that notice is something REALLY worrying, given that they claim that they have NOT "gone bust", and will even PAY US customers in Euros if they manage to get a Euro account.


We are writing to advise that to the best of our knowledge your QuickTender withdrawal for $500.0000 on the 09/05/2011 03:45:37 processed by Chargestream Ltd has been seized by the United States Attorney’s Office (USAO).

We believe in due course an order will be made to the courts to forfeit these funds and as soon as we become aware of further information our intention is to share that with you. Neither QuickTender nor our processing partner Chargestream have the financial resources to make good these funds. However, you will be a valid claimant of a proportion of overall funds seized you can file a claim with the court. You can check as well each day on the website www.forfeiture.gov searching under Chargestream for the notice to be posted.

We had prior to this announcement moved your funds to an ‘uncleared’ status. If you do still have a positive balance we will be advising on how to make a withdrawal of these remaining available funds via a separate email communication.

We realise this is not good news and are deeply sorry that the USA authorities have taken this action to seize and forfeit your funds.


QuickTender Team
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Jesus people.

They aren't going to pay out funds seized by the Secret Service that were wired to US banks in early May. If you requested a wire transfer in early May that you never received, they are washing their hands of those funds.

They appear to be prepared to pay out all other funds to any non-US euro denominated bank account.

This is very good news for anyone with cleared funds. People whose money was seized by the Secret Service are in much worse shape.
 
Novemberlady1 said:
they said in July to August for specific days you will be able to log into your account and send the money to a EURO account but that they cannot send to merchants or in US dollars
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Hi, Where did they say that in July or August those with cleared funds could request it?

I have a euro account, been emailing them and never getting an answer.
 
nygirl30 said:
QT knows damn well that US player's cant set up an account in Euro's... So once again they found a way not to pay US player's!!

What a bunch of Bull####!!! :what: And even if we could find a way isnt that like money laundering?? Go figure!!
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I'm going to ask again.....

WHY can a US citizen not open an account in euros? What am I missing here?
 
Novemberlady1 said:
Still waiting on an ach withdrawal that was approved on June 3rd. Never have gotten it and they keep saying it will come.lol.
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What has a Club World ACH withdrawal that got to do with anything in this thread?

If anyone doesn't know about how to setup offshore accounts in euros, I have an excellent resource for you which is better than waiting for someone else to do all the work:

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Don't get mad, get even.
 
nygirl30 said:
QT knows damn well that US player's cant set up an account in Euro's... So once again they found a way not to pay US player's!!

What a bunch of Bull####!!! :what: And even if we could find a way isnt that like money laundering?? Go figure!!
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Any US citizen can open an offshore bank account denominated in Euros. There's nothing remotely illegal or sketchy involved.

Didn't you post something like this before? I don't understand your agenda.
 
bpb said:
Any US citizen can open an offshore bank account denominated in Euros. There's nothing remotely illegal or sketchy involved.

Didn't you post something like this before? I don't understand your agenda.
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Are you serious?? I dont have an agenda, and no I didnt post anything like this before!! I'm just trying to be paid like everyone else..

Nobody asked you to ridicule my post or anyone else's for that matter!!
 
bpb said:
Any US citizen can open an offshore bank account denominated in Euros. There's nothing remotely illegal or sketchy involved.

Didn't you post something like this before? I don't understand your agenda.
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The problem isn't cant, or why or illegal

Its how.

Can you show me or anyone else an easy way to open an offshore account , in euros, without having to travel to that country, within a few weeks ?
 
lnspin said:
The problem isn't cant, or why or illegal

Its how.

Can you show me or anyone else an easy way to open an offshore account , in euros, without having to travel to that country, within a few weeks ?
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I am not being a jerk. I really want to know if you googled this or not.

If you did then you should refine your search. Truly, the information is out there... and here. you are actually going to have to read and take 10 minutes of your time to accomplish this, however. It really is everywhere on the net.
 
nygirl30 said:
Are you serious?? I dont have an agenda, and no I didnt post anything like this before!! I'm just trying to be paid like everyone else..

Nobody asked you to ridicule my post or anyone else's for that matter!!
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Don't make posts with declarative staments that are completely false if you don't want to be called out.

I do apologize for thinking you posted something similar before. There was another user making similar staements about it being impossible for us residents to open an offshore account in euros.

This link provides some useful info.

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nygirl30 said:
Nobody asked you to ridicule my post or anyone else's for that matter!!
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No offense intended but may I suggest a collective moment of chill? :nod:

The post was not that unreasonable and besides, members are free to comment and/or inquire (more or less) as they see fit. That's what forums are about, no?

So yeah, a little chill, and maybe less bolding too please. Thanks.
 
Mousey said:
I apologize, but I am resurrecting an old thread...

Did any USA players ever receive any of their funds from QT/EcoCard?
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Yes, I received my funds, minus about 10% due to currency conversion. I put in the request the day they opened the site back up, and received the funds about 3 weeks later.
 

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