President Trump

[slotplayer]

Surprisingly it was one of the more accurate things he said. The stock market is at record levels. Fox Business News not Fox News talk about it all the time. The 5.2 trillion in wealth creation since election day is the number espoused, no exaggeration there.

Does it help reduce the national debt, not directly but it could if sold increase tax revenue which in turn would lower the national debt. I knew what he meant there. I speak Trump.

The president in office typically owns it if it's bad and gets credit for it if its good news. A lot of this stuff bridges administrations.

As far as PR goes, with all the hurricanes, FEMA spend all the money and Congress has to appropriate more.

On face value, Obama did technically double the national debt from where Bush 43 left it.

 

[slotplayer]

Btw, how's ISIS doing under a Trump administration?

 

[Kelly Jo]

Btw, how's ISIS doing under a Trump administration?

BOOM! literally speaking....

 

[BillyGoldblum]

oops wrong thread

 

[lockinlove]

Forget all that. The hair though. Just look at the hair

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Whats not to like about that hair?




What I find amazing is these liberal news sites posting what rapper eminem rapped about in regards to Trump. I wonder if they know he raps slurring homosexuals, violence, murder, insulting innocent people and abusing females. I guess they dont care because his Trump rap feeds their agenda for now

 

[lockinlove]

Surprisingly it was one of the more accurate things he said. The stock market is at record levels. Fox Business News not Fox News talk about it all the time. The 5.2 trillion in wealth creation since election day is the number espoused, no exaggeration there.

Does it help reduce the national debt, not directly but it could if sold increase tax revenue which in turn would lower the national debt. I knew what he meant there. I speak Trump.

The president in office typically owns it if it's bad and gets credit for it if its good news. A lot of this stuff bridges administrations.

As far as PR goes, with all the hurricanes, FEMA spend all the money and Congress has to appropriate more.

On face value, Obama did technically double the national debt from where Bush 43 left it.

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Stop posting facts please. They arent welcome here

 

[goatwack]

What I find amazing is these liberal news sites posting what rapper eminem rapped about in regards to Trump. I wonder if they know he raps slurring homosexuals, violence, murder, insulting innocent people and abusing females. I guess they dont care because his Trump rap feeds their agenda for now[/QUOTE]

Ha yeah, the Eminem 'freestyle rap', titled "The Storm" was an absolute farce.

Just scroll through Google and near enough every article about it is praising it. Just the headlines alone. "Passionate", "Clever", "Dismantling of" etc haha. CNN were creaming themselves over it like it was manna from heaven.

Fact is he's just another useful idiot for the leftist elite, who seem to think he's still cool in some way and down with the kids. He sounds old, slow and irrelevant. Scolding Bush is one thing because of the troops in Iraq etc, but this is just sad and desperate.

Notice how M&M is drawing the proverbial line in the sand in regards to his fans, and note how it's still possible to like his music and Trump. So the only division caused is by the likes of him. He should shut up and remember the fans that made him what he is, the absolute berk

 

[lockinlove]

Ha yeah, the Eminem 'freestyle rap', titled "The Storm" was an absolute farce.

Just scroll through Google and near enough every article about it is praising it. Just the headlines alone. "Passionate", "Clever", "Dismantling of" etc haha. CNN were creaming themselves over it like it was manna from heaven.

Fact is he's just another useful idiot for the leftist elite, who seem to think he's still cool in some way and down with the kids. He sounds old, slow and irrelevant. Scolding Bush is one thing because of the troops in Iraq etc, but this is just sad and desperate.

Notice how M&M is drawing the proverbial line in the sand in regards to his fans, and note how it's still possible to like his music and Trump. So the only division caused is by the likes of him. He should shut up and remember the fans that made him what he is, the absolute berk

Its why I have such an issue with CNN. They hang Trump for anything he says but then use a guy who bashes gays and promotes violence as a source hoping for some type of validation. If I had a bigger voice or was in the media, I would start a war with CNN. But sadly my little tweets go unread . But even fox has a hard time getting the word out there because they arent mainstream. They have the top ratings (Sean Hannity) but its not like its plastered all over the internet or radios. I wish it was, Im so tired of the crap

I cannot even watch late night tv anymore. Anyone see Jimmy Kimmel or Seth Meyers? These guys are absolutely obsessed with Trump. Seth meyers has a a daily segment that last like 12 minutes of bashing Trump. Sometimes we just want to watch something funny and not have the liberal crap shoved down our throats. But even they are butthurt and cant accept Hillary lost. Segment after Segment, monologue after monologue. Give it a break.

 

[goatwack]

Its why I have such an issue with CNN. They hang Trump for anything he says but then use a guy who bashes gays and promotes violence as a source hoping for some type of validation. If I had a bigger voice or was in the media, I would start a war with CNN. But sadly my little tweets go unread . But even fox has a hard time getting the word out there because they arent mainstream. They have the top ratings (Sean Hannity) but its not like its plastered all over the internet or radios. I wish it was, Im so tired of the crap

I cannot even watch late night tv anymore. Anyone see Jimmy Kimmel or Seth Meyers? These guys are absolutely obsessed with Trump. Seth meyers has a a daily segment that last like 12 minutes of bashing Trump. Sometimes we just want to watch something funny and not have the liberal crap shoved down our throats. But even they are butthurt and cant accept Hillary lost. Segment after Segment, monologue after monologue. Give it a break.

Yerr, I only saw a bit of Jimmy Kimmel on the opener of the new Curb. You know...the one where Larry David pens the new idea for 'Fatwa: The Musical' and manages to insult the Ayatollah of Iran on Kimmel's show trying to plug it. Ultimately ensuring Iran issuing a Fatwa against Larry

Thing is with the likes of Kimmel, O'Donnell etc that they can be funny and relatable. It's only when it comes to Trump that they retreat into infant mode and lose their marbles :nod:

Fox....don't they have Tucker Carlson? He's the only sensible journalist left I think

 

[ladyhawke]

It is impossible to deny Trump has implemented some policies that are very beneficial to the USA - border security, tough-on-crime policies, civil asset forfeiture to name a few, although even those will prove contentious policies to many.

However what I find very worrying about Trump is his blatant disregard for the Environment, as many of the laws he is attempting to repeal favour large corporations, with solid support from numerous states who benefit from the business practices of those corporations. All fuelled by his belief that global warming is a hoax, and climate change policies ridiculous.

IMO, some of the more militant are as follows:

1: Withdrawal from Paris Climate accord.

2: Clean Power Plan dismantled. An Obama-era plan, although never implemented due to numerous legal challenges, designed to reduce domestic demand for coal, and consequently reduce dangerous emissions. Building a new coal plant would have been virtually impossible unless emissions could be buried underground.

Trump has always supported coal miners, hence this repeal. However it is unlikely to have any effect on bringing back coal mining jobs, due to a rise in renewable energy sources which have made coal less economically competitive, even without the CPP. In addition, most coal mining is now performed by machines, which has resulted in a loss of thousands of jobs, which can never be re-instated.

3: Dismantling of WOTUS (2015 Waters of the US rule), which could make it easier for agricultural and development interests to drain wetlands and small streams, resulting in horrific implications for agricultural, real estate, gravel, sand and ranching sectors, as well as aquatic species and migratory birds habitats.

4: Fracking on public lands repeal. Obama-era regulations focused on protecting water supplies by requiring oil/gas companies to disclose use of chemicals, to manage fracking fluids, and to protect water supplies by constructing wells. What Trump appears to be doing with this repeal is to sacrifice public lands to the oil/gas industries, by eliminating the requirement to better safeguard drinking water supplies, public health, and the environment.

 

[Mouche12]

BOOM! literally speaking....

How was Bin Laden doing under the Obama adminstration?

SPLASH - his body in the ocean

 

[Kelly Jo]

It is impossible to deny Trump has implemented some policies that are very beneficial to the USA - border security, tough-on-crime policies, civil asset forfeiture to name a few, although even those will prove contentious policies to many.

However what I find very worrying about Trump is his blatant disregard for the Environment, as many of the laws he is attempting to repeal favour large corporations, with solid support from numerous states who benefit from the business practices of those corporations. All fuelled by his belief that global warming is a hoax, and climate change policies ridiculous.

IMO, some of the more militant are as follows:

1: Withdrawal from Paris Climate accord.

2: Clean Power Plan dismantled. An Obama-era plan, although never implemented due to numerous legal challenges, designed to reduce domestic demand for coal, and consequently reduce dangerous emissions. Building a new coal plant would have been virtually impossible unless emissions could be buried underground.

Trump has always supported coal miners, hence this repeal. However it is unlikely to have any effect on bringing back coal mining jobs, due to a rise in renewable energy sources which have made coal less economically competitive, even without the CPP. In addition, most coal mining is now performed by machines, which has resulted in a loss of thousands of jobs, which can never be re-instated.

3: Dismantling of WOTUS (2015 Waters of the US rule), which could make it easier for agricultural and development interests to drain wetlands and small streams, resulting in horrific implications for agricultural, real estate, gravel, sand and ranching sectors, as well as aquatic species and migratory birds habitats.

4: Fracking on public lands repeal. Obama-era regulations focused on protecting water supplies by requiring oil/gas companies to disclose use of chemicals, to manage fracking fluids, and to protect water supplies by constructing wells. What Trump appears to be doing with this repeal is to sacrifice public lands to the oil/gas industries, by eliminating the requirement to better safeguard drinking water supplies, public health, and the environment.

It is estimated that U.S. gas production reports methane leaks of about 1.5%. This is the lowest emissions rate of any major producer in the world. Russian gas averages 6%. Logically speaking, this makes the argument that methane emissions from American gas production is a the lesser evil. Germany and a number of European nations (Who depend heavily on Russian gas) publicly berating Trump and his efforts to enable American Gas production fail to acknowledge(surprise surprise) that these measures would, in reality, positively affect Global Warming.

 

[slotplayer]

How was Bin Laden doing under the Obama adminstration?

SPLASH - his body in the ocean

Here is the picture of it unfolding in real time.





Oh wait, that's not the right picture, this one is.

 

[ladyhawke]

It is estimated that U.S. gas production reports methane leaks of about 1.5%. This is the lowest emissions rate of any major producer in the world. Russian gas averages 6%. Logically speaking, this makes the argument that methane emissions from American gas production is a the lesser evil. Germany and a number of European nations (Who depend heavily on Russian gas) publicly berating Trump and his efforts to enable American Gas production fail to acknowledge(surprise surprise) that these measures would, in reality, positively affect Global Warming.

Hi Kelly Jo,

I am not seeing any figures supporting the 1.5% methane leak you mention, although I am more focused on all greenhouse gases, not just gas production methane leaks.

The EPA states that methane accounts for 10% of all US greenhouse gas emissions. Sources are coal, gas and oil, but also agriculture and organic waste decay so it is probably difficult to provide (or prove) the actual % of each of those sources.

A 2016 Harvard study reports a 30% global spike in the last decade, with the USA being the main perpetrator, which implies the US needs to do more to restrict greenhouse gas emissions.

However, I would imagine the 2015 Aliso Canyon gas leak is going to skew the US figures for decades to come, so it may be difficult for a while to gauge the actual emissions.

 

[Kelly Jo]

Hi Kelly Jo,

I am not seeing any figures supporting the 1.5% methane leak you mention, although I am more focused on all greenhouse gases, not just gas production methane leaks.

The EPA states that methane accounts for 10% of all US greenhouse gas emissions. Sources are coal, gas and oil, but also agriculture and organic waste decay so it is probably difficult to provide (or prove) the actual % of each of those sources.

A 2016 Harvard study reports a 30% global spike in the last decade, with the USA being the main perpetrator, which implies the US needs to do more to restrict greenhouse gas emissions.

However, I would imagine the 2015 Aliso Canyon gas leak is going to skew the US figures for decades to come, so it may be difficult for a while to gauge the actual emissions.

*shrugs

I just mentioned it because you were ticking off Trumps accomplishments. He failed in his attempt to negate restrictions on methane emissions. I wasn't taking issue with anything you said(I humbly admit to having far less knowledge than you) , I just thought it was notable that the production and export of American Gas would not only benefit the U.S. economy but could poentially impact Global Warming in a positive way.

 

[Kelly Jo]

Here is the picture of it unfolding in real time.

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Oh wait, that's not the right picture, this one is.

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Hysterical--and very flattering to the individuals involved. How often does THAT happen? lol

 

[ladyhawke]

*shrugs

I just mentioned it because you were ticking off Trumps accomplishments. He failed in his attempt to negate restrictions on methane emissions. I wasn't taking issue with anything you said(I humbly admit to having far less knowledge than you) , I just thought it was notable that the production and export of American Gas would not only benefit the U.S. economy but could poentially impact Global Warming in a positive way.

Fair enough comment regarding his accomplishments. I apologise for not recognising it as such.

BUT..."it was notable that the production and export of American Gas would not only benefit the U.S. economy...."

Be very careful, as this can prove to be a double-edged sword. Australia exports most of its natural gas (approximately 12% of the world's gas exports), with the result that gas prices over here are double those of countries that import our gas. Energy prices are going through the roof, but the Prime Minister seems to be too much of a dunce to recognise that it is this export of gas that leads to under supply and over pricing.

I despair of all politicians at times, I really do.

And finally...as for you "humbly admitting to having less knowledge than me"...Total BS! Your arguments (as in discussions, not actually arguing ) are cohesive, well thought out, and well researched. I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts.

 

[slotplayer]

It is impossible to deny Trump has implemented some policies that are very beneficial to the USA - border security, tough-on-crime policies, civil asset forfeiture to name a few, although even those will prove contentious policies to many.

However what I find very worrying about Trump is his blatant disregard for the Environment, as many of the laws he is attempting to repeal favour large corporations, with solid support from numerous states who benefit from the business practices of those corporations. All fuelled by his belief that global warming is a hoax, and climate change policies ridiculous.

IMO, some of the more militant are as follows:

1: Withdrawal from Paris Climate accord.

2: Clean Power Plan dismantled. An Obama-era plan, although never implemented due to numerous legal challenges, designed to reduce domestic demand for coal, and consequently reduce dangerous emissions. Building a new coal plant would have been virtually impossible unless emissions could be buried underground.

Trump has always supported coal miners, hence this repeal. However it is unlikely to have any effect on bringing back coal mining jobs, due to a rise in renewable energy sources which have made coal less economically competitive, even without the CPP. In addition, most coal mining is now performed by machines, which has resulted in a loss of thousands of jobs, which can never be re-instated.

3: Dismantling of WOTUS (2015 Waters of the US rule), which could make it easier for agricultural and development interests to drain wetlands and small streams, resulting in horrific implications for agricultural, real estate, gravel, sand and ranching sectors, as well as aquatic species and migratory birds habitats.

4: Fracking on public lands repeal. Obama-era regulations focused on protecting water supplies by requiring oil/gas companies to disclose use of chemicals, to manage fracking fluids, and to protect water supplies by constructing wells. What Trump appears to be doing with this repeal is to sacrifice public lands to the oil/gas industries, by eliminating the requirement to better safeguard drinking water supplies, public health, and the environment.

Obama was coined the Regulator in Chief. Trump will be coined the Deregulator in Chief.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Been reading around and doing some research on what Trump has accomplished so far. Its pretty impressive although you wont find anything on CNN about it. Only fake Russian claims.

Unemployment is at an all time low for the first time in over 15 years, he created over 1 million jobs by undoing some of obamas regulations, and food stamp use is at the lowest in 7 years

Signed legislation promoting woman entrepreneurship act

Has obtained loans from companies such as ford, foxconn, intel who decided to build in the country instead of Mexico etc

reduced illegal immigration

negotiated deals in order to get their f35's at a cheaper price

Trying to push through one of the biggest tax reduction plans ever that doesnt just favor the rich

Withdrew from the TPP in order to keep jobs there

implemented various tasks forces to reduce crime

has the DOJ and crime units to cut down on gang related crimes such as MS13

fixing the veterans affairs

he donates his presidential salary to various causes.

reduced the white house payroll saving taxpayers.

he is trying to approve a 4.6 billion dollar loan for puerto rico

the stock market is at all an all time high



Astounding.

Yet all we hear about is some sole governor in puerto rico when they rest of their government is praising Trump.

So far the only negatives I see about Trump et al. Melania wearing bad shoes! Trump is a Russian hack! Hes a racist!


So far id give him an A. I would give him an A+ but he loses that cause some of the dumb shit he says

Economical impact of a new administration does not become visible for 9 - 12 months after the change. Anything up to that point is still referable to the previous administration. Hence, low unemployment and stock market are not really of Trump's making. Ask any economist if you again haven't understood facts.

TPP - Since you think it is good to terminate deals like the TPP, please return all gadgets, household goods, clothing and all other items that you bought at a good and affordable price but were coming from outside Canada. It is only because of treaties and deals like the TPP that you are able to have that "luxury" of cheaper goods. But yeah, lauding Trump for pulling out from TPP.

Ford, Intel etc ... all companies are still following their long term plans which were in place long before Trump became president. Again, a falsehood. Read the statements from the Foxconn CEO and other factual reports why he builds a factory in the US to clue up what is really happening.

Tax reduction plan - some 90% of the reductions will go to the top 1 - 2% earners and corporations. Low to middle income families will see between $60 - $600 extra per YEAR. The plan is also using delusional calculations that the US economy will go into a boom for decades. See the IWF statement. On top he wants to get rid of the "death tax" which will directly benefit him in the billions of $. Great plan eh?

F35 - Lockheed Martin had already announced that they will reduce the prices due to higher orders before Trump became president. He has done very little if anything on that. Again, read the facts.

etc. etc. etc.

You giving an A is just laughable as he has not passed any major legislation ("I will repeal and replace Obamacare on day 1, that is soooo easy!") and so far has only signed dozens of EO's which he blasted Obama for in the previous years, actually asking that they should be eliminated from presidential powers, but he sure loves them now. And the utmost parts of those EO's were only to repeal Obama era regulations, which actually were common sense like Clean Power Plan, Clean Water Plan, restrictions on building in flood prone areas etc.

 

[Steviedoo]

Economical impact of a new administration does not become visible for 9 - 12 months after the change. Anything up to that point is still referable to the previous administration. Hence, low unemployment and stock market are not really of Trump's making. Ask any economist if you again haven't understood facts.

TPP - Since you think it is good to terminate deals like the TPP, please return all gadgets, household goods, clothing and all other items that you bought at a good and affordable price but were coming from outside Canada. It is only because of treaties and deals like the TPP that you are able to have that "luxury" of cheaper goods. But yeah, lauding Trump for pulling out from TPP.

Ford, Intel etc ... all companies are still following their long term plans which were in place long before Trump became president. Again, a falsehood. Read the statements from the Foxconn CEO and other factual reports why he builds a factory in the US to clue up what is really happening.

Tax reduction plan - some 90% of the reductions will go to the top 1 - 2% earners and corporations. Low to middle income families will see between $60 - $600 extra per YEAR. The plan is also using delusional calculations that the US economy will go into a boom for decades. See the IWF statement. On top he wants to get rid of the "death tax" which will directly benefit him in the billions of $. Great plan eh?

F35 - Lockheed Martin had already announced that they will reduce the prices due to higher orders before Trump became president. He has done very little if anything on that. Again, read the facts.

etc. etc. etc.

You giving an A is just laughable as he has not passed any major legislation ("I will repeal and replace Obamacare on day 1, that is soooo easy!") and so far has only signed dozens of EO's which he blasted Obama for in the previous years, actually asking that they should be eliminated from presidential powers, but he sure loves them now. And the utmost parts of those EO's were only to repeal Obama era regulations, which actually were common sense like Clean Power Plan, Clean Water Plan, restrictions on building in flood prone areas etc.

You forgot to mention that when he took office unemployment rate was at 4.8%...obama basically handed him what real economists call an full employment job market.

trump said that the unemployment rate while he was running for president was 40% (under obamas term) and called the rate of 4.8 percent fake news miraculously when he took over the rate dropped from 40 to 4.4 percent and the 4.4 is not fake news now.

And I still don't understand how people tolerate this outright lying...and believe him.

 

[Steviedoo]

Fair enough comment regarding his accomplishments. I apologise for not recognising it as such.

BUT..."it was notable that the production and export of American Gas would not only benefit the U.S. economy...."

Be very careful, as this can prove to be a double-edged sword. Australia exports most of its natural gas (approximately 12% of the world's gas exports), with the result that gas prices over here are double those of countries that import our gas. Energy prices are going through the roof, but the Prime Minister seems to be too much of a dunce to recognise that it is this export of gas that leads to under supply and over pricing.

I despair of all politicians at times, I really do.

And finally...as for you "humbly admitting to having less knowledge than me"...Total BS! Your arguments (as in discussions, not actually arguing ) are cohesive, well thought out, and well researched. I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts.

You forgot to mention that she is also very funny !!!

 

[slotplayer]

You forgot to mention that when he took office unemployment rate was at 4.8%...obama basically handed him what real economists call an full employment job market.

trump said that the unemployment rate while he was running for president was 40% (under obamas term) and called the rate of 4.8 percent fake news miraculously when he took over the rate dropped from 40 to 4.4 percent and the 4.4 is not fake news now.

And I still don't understand how people tolerate this outright lying...and believe him.

So when The Donald called into CBS’ Face the Nation on Sunday and claimed that Americans are living in a “false economy,” where the unemployment rate is actually 40% rather than the 5.1% as reported by the Labor Department, you’d be forgiven for believing this was just another Trumpian whopper.

But actually, this view can be supported by actual statistics. If you use the broadest definition of unemployment, the ratio of people over the age of 16 with jobs to the overall 16-and-over population, the Labor Department says that 40.6% of the population is unemployed.

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[Homosap]

So when The Donald called into CBS’ Face the Nation on Sunday and claimed that Americans are living in a “false economy,” where the unemployment rate is actually 40% rather than the 5.1% as reported by the Labor Department, you’d be forgiven for believing this was just another Trumpian whopper.

But actually, this view can be supported by actual statistics. If you use the broadest definition of unemployment, the ratio of people over the age of 16 with jobs to the overall 16-and-over population, the Labor Department says that 40.6% of the population is unemployed.

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Interesting that you chose to take just that line from the linked article, the very next line is:-

Unfortunately, the veracity of Trump’s analysis ends there

You do know that claiming the unemployment rate is 40% means that you are counting retired people as unemployed, don't you?

 

[Harry_BKK]

You forgot to mention that when he took office unemployment rate was at 4.8%...obama basically handed him what real economists call an full employment job market.

trump said that the unemployment rate while he was running for president was 40% (under obamas term) and called the rate of 4.8 percent fake news miraculously when he took over the rate dropped from 40 to 4.4 percent and the 4.4 is not fake news now.

And I still don't understand how people tolerate this outright lying...and believe him.

Yes, I remember Spicey stating: " I asked the President and he said they were fake then but are real now." when reporters asked him what happened with Trump's 40% claim.

And the lying spreads to others too. Sanders keeps lying or defending lies in the news conferences:

e.g. Trump tweeting: "The President of Mexico called me..." .....the President of Mexico issues statement that he never called.... Sanders in the press conference: "Trump was referring to a meeting in person in Europe"

e.g.2 Trump insisting the US is the highest taxed nation (far from the truth).... Sanders: "He meant the highest corporate taxed nation" (totally untrue as well)

Fact is Trump took over a growing economy in good shape to grow further, low interest period, low unemployment yet claims all the time he inherited "a mess". Certainly far from what Obama inherited from Bush.

As for his "contract" with 60 promises he would get done in the first 100 days, that he so "bigly" publicized in October 2016( note that 29 so far had no action taken to this date), yet he stated yesterday: "We are far ahead of schedule":

 

[Harry_BKK]

You do know that Obama took over a country on the brink of what could have been the biggest recession ever and had no other choice then to borrow more money and clean up the mess American banks created, and by the way banks who were led by those people who sit now in the White House (Cohn, Mnuchin etc).

Amazing how you keep overlooking facts or history. Unless you would have preferred to have the US going into a big recession.

BTW, the stock market grew over 230% under Obama. Did it lower the national debt? Did all those corporations end up paying so much more tax just because the share prizes were on a high or gave their employees huge pay rises? Or did the US citizens spend so much more that the increased tax revenues could lower the debt substantially? Economics teach you that people will start saving more after a bad period to prepare better for a possible next crisis while companies use a crisis to streamline their operations and reduce work force. None of those will increase tax revenue.

Surprisingly it was one of the more accurate things he said. The stock market is at record levels. Fox Business News not Fox News talk about it all the time. The 5.2 trillion in wealth creation since election day is the number espoused, no exaggeration there.

Does it help reduce the national debt, not directly but it could if sold increase tax revenue which in turn would lower the national debt. I knew what he meant there. I speak Trump.

The president in office typically owns it if it's bad and gets credit for it if its good news. A lot of this stuff bridges administrations.

As far as PR goes, with all the hurricanes, FEMA spend all the money and Congress has to appropriate more.

On face value, Obama did technically double the national debt from where Bush 43 left it.

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[Steviedoo]

So when The Donald called into CBS’ Face the Nation on Sunday and claimed that Americans are living in a “false economy,” where the unemployment rate is actually 40% rather than the 5.1% as reported by the Labor Department, you’d be forgiven for believing this was just another Trumpian whopper.

But actually, this view can be supported by actual statistics. If you use the broadest definition of unemployment, the ratio of people over the age of 16 with jobs to the overall 16-and-over population, the Labor Department says that 40.6% of the population is unemployed.

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this is what I mean...at all costs everyone who supports him will defend his words and scramble to justify his lie...or make it real....why is it we have to look for another meaning when he speaks. ...why is it we can not take his words at face value like we do with everyone else...not just politicians but everyone....why is it that ....there is always...a oh...he many this....when his words meant that..


Slotplayer...we get it. You are a trump supporter....and so is lockinlove but I'm sorry there is something wrong with the president when we need fox media, hannity and company, normal ppl like yourself, his politicians, Kelly Ann, and his press secretary scrambling at every turn to make the words he says real...and to justify them.

That is my big problem with trump...other than he is a bully and calls people names.

 

[slotplayer]

Interesting that you chose to take just that line from the linked article, the very next line is:-

Unfortunately, the veracity of Trump’s analysis ends there

You do know that claiming the unemployment rate is 40% means that you are counting retired people as unemployed, don't you?

Labor Force Participation

The labor force participation rate is the percentage of the population that is either employed or unemployed (that is, either working or actively seeking work)

People with jobs are employed.
People who are jobless, looking for a job, and available for work are unemployed.
The labor force is made up of the employed and the unemployed.
People who are neither employed nor unemployed are not in the labor force.

Google Labor Force Participation Rate, its in the 60% range.

 

[lockinlove]

Economical impact of a new administration does not become visible for 9 - 12 months after the change. Anything up to that point is still referable to the previous administration. Hence, low unemployment and stock market are not really of Trump's making. Ask any economist if you again haven't understood facts.

TPP - Since you think it is good to terminate deals like the TPP, please return all gadgets, household goods, clothing and all other items that you bought at a good and affordable price but were coming from outside Canada. It is only because of treaties and deals like the TPP that you are able to have that "luxury" of cheaper goods. But yeah, lauding Trump for pulling out from TPP.

Ford, Intel etc ... all companies are still following their long term plans which were in place long before Trump became president. Again, a falsehood. Read the statements from the Foxconn CEO and other factual reports why he builds a factory in the US to clue up what is really happening.

Tax reduction plan - some 90% of the reductions will go to the top 1 - 2% earners and corporations. Low to middle income families will see between $60 - $600 extra per YEAR. The plan is also using delusional calculations that the US economy will go into a boom for decades. See the IWF statement. On top he wants to get rid of the "death tax" which will directly benefit him in the billions of $. Great plan eh?

F35 - Lockheed Martin had already announced that they will reduce the prices due to higher orders before Trump became president. He has done very little if anything on that. Again, read the facts.

etc. etc. etc.

You giving an A is just laughable as he has not passed any major legislation ("I will repeal and replace Obamacare on day 1, that is soooo easy!") and so far has only signed dozens of EO's which he blasted Obama for in the previous years, actually asking that they should be eliminated from presidential powers, but he sure loves them now. And the utmost parts of those EO's were only to repeal Obama era regulations, which actually were common sense like Clean Power Plan, Clean Water Plan, restrictions on building in flood prone areas etc.

#1 is completely false. His tax policies, infrastructure policy and deregulation of obama's policies directly effects the stock market. Since the trump election the stock market has shot up almost without serious fluctuation for this first time in history. The only similar growth was after the financial crisis when it had no place to go but up. The climb started right on election day.

#2. Why would I return anything that I own with no chance at a refund? Hyperbole much?

#3. Is how the liberals make things up when they cant admit to the facts. Ive heard the false claims they were market driven. Trump met with every CEO of these companies and almost immediately plans were announced that benefited the americans. Lockheed? Who negotiated lower prices for the f35s? Right after meeting with trump the CEO announced a deal was negotiated for lower prices which results in 1800 more jobs

Ford CEO

“We’re doing this decision based on what’s right for our business we think about the investments here in Michigan, as you can imagine, we look at a lot of factors as we make those. One of the factors that we’re looking at is a more positive U.S. manufacturing business environment under President-elect Trump and some of the pro-growth policies he said he’s going to pursue. And so this is a vote of confidence.”

#4. His tax plan lowers taxes for small business. Eliminating the death tax. He created a simple tax return form changing the bracks from 7 to 3. His lower income household plans includes increasing child tax credits for families and doubles the standard deduction which reduces the amount of taxed income.

The only one who needs to stick to the facts, is you.

If Trump had a nickname for you it would be False claims Harry

 

[slotplayer]

this is what I mean...at all costs everyone who supports him will defend his words and scramble to justify his lie...or make it real....why is it we have to look for another meaning when he speaks. ...why is it we can not take his words at face value like we do with everyone else...not just politicians but everyone....why is it that ....there is always...a oh...he many this....when his words meant that..


Slotplayer...we get it. You are a trump supporter....and so is lockinlove but I'm sorry there is something wrong with the president when we need fox media, hannity and company, normal ppl like yourself, his politicians, Kelly Ann, and his press secretary scrambling at every turn to make the words he says real...and to justify them.

That is my big problem with trump...other than he is a bully and calls people names.

I'm not a Trump supporter, I'm a Trump policy supporter and anti-progressive left. (not against left leaning). I just don't hang on every word and tweet he says.

Why would anyone not think that those of us in America that follow it don't see him for how he is when we're bombarded with it 24/7, not to mention 18 months of an election cycle.

People don't get why Trump won. It's push back on the progressive left. The country has rejected it. With all the crazy stuff he said, even going back to the Obama birther nonsense, he still won, when he should have lost by a significant margin.

If voters wanted to continue the Obama transformation of America Hillary or Bernie would have been elected.

 

[slotplayer]

You do know that Obama took over a country on the brink of what could have been the biggest recession ever and had no other choice then to borrow more money and clean up the mess American banks created, and by the way banks who were led by those people who sit now in the White House (Cohn, Mnuchin etc).

Amazing how you keep overlooking facts or history. Unless you would have preferred to have the US going into a big recession.

BTW, the stock market grew over 230% under Obama. Did it lower the national debt? Did all those corporations end up paying so much more tax just because the share prizes were on a high or gave their employees huge pay rises? Or did the US citizens spend so much more that the increased tax revenues could lower the debt substantially? Economics teach you that people will start saving more after a bad period to prepare better for a possible next crisis while companies use a crisis to streamline their operations and reduce work force. None of those will increase tax revenue.

I know all about the US economy. I live here, remember.

Like I said "The president in office typically owns it if it's bad and gets credit for it if its good news. A lot of this stuff bridges administrations."

"A lot of this stuff bridges administrations" Was an indirect reference to Bush allocating the TARP money.

There is something called a "honeymoon period" all presidents are awarded which is why I said "The president in office typically owns it if it's bad and gets credit for it if its good news. " The honeymoon period is long over. Trump owns it all, good and bad.

 

[Harry_BKK]

#1 is completely false. His tax policies, infrastructure policy and deregulation of obama's policies directly effects the stock market. Since the trump election the stock market has shot up almost without serious fluctuation for this first time in history. The only similar growth was after the financial crisis when it had no place to go but up. The climb started right on election day.

Certainly not completely false, to the contrary your statement represents your "alternative facts". The stock market started the rally mainly because of his tax reform promise, which so far has not materialized. And the stock market run is currently not the biggest rise (measured in percent) for the same period after election day, compared to other presidents "Trump's bump" is in 4th place.

As for your comment "Since the trump election the stock market has shot up almost without serious fluctuation for this first time in history.", look at the chart below, i took out the years 2009 - 2011 as that was indeed a time where it could go only go up. From 2012 - 2014 the rise was similar with no serious fluctuation. You can go back to other years when new presidents were elected and will see on numerous occasions similar developments.

So please do your research properly.



#2. Why would I return anything that I own with no chance at a refund? Hyperbole much?

This comment just shows how clueless you are or pretend to be in this case. You are so happy that Mr. T pulled out from the TPP but completely forget that most goods you buy every day are coming at that low price exactly because of trade agreements. Just check how Canada benefited from NAFTA or will benefit from CETA.

#3. Is how the liberals make things up when they cant admit to the facts. Ive heard the false claims they were market driven. Trump met with every CEO of these companies and almost immediately plans were announced that benefited the americans. Lockheed? Who negotiated lower prices for the f35s? Right after meeting with trump the CEO announced a deal was negotiated for lower prices which results in 1800 more jobs

Ford CEO

“We’re doing this decision based on what’s right for our business we think about the investments here in Michigan, as you can imagine, we look at a lot of factors as we make those. One of the factors that we’re looking at is a more positive U.S. manufacturing business environment under President-elect Trump and some of the pro-growth policies he said he’s going to pursue. And so this is a vote of confidence.”

Yet again not doing your research. A lot of big companies released similar statements just to get of Trump's radar, while those plans were already in place before he was elected. These were pure marketing tricks. I can point you to reports to read up on it if you can't "find" them again. Same goes for the F35 timeline.

#4. His tax plan lowers taxes for small business. Eliminating the death tax. He created a simple tax return form changing the bracks from 7 to 3. His lower income household plans includes increasing child tax credits for families and doubles the standard deduction which reduces the amount of taxed income.

Yet again not reading all what is in his tax plan. Reducing from 7 to 3 brackets sounds all fine and dandy until your read that the lowest bracket will increase from 10% to 12% and the highest will be lowered from 39.6% to 35%. Increasing standard deduction but eliminating other deductions, hence no relieve there except for singles and families with no or just one child. The Council of Economic Advisers predicts a $4,000 tax relief over 8 YEARS for a family income of $50,000. That is like a drop of rain in the desert.

Mr. T stated that as usual by leaving out half the truth: "My Council of Economic Advisers estimates that this change ... would likely give the typical American household a $4,000 pay raise". and of course not saying that it is the estimated total for 8 YEARS!!!

The IMF, which has been often leaning towards the US, assumes in its latest economic forecast that Mr. T "will not deliver an overhaul of the U.S. tax system this year or next." and reduced the forecast for the growth rate. I think they are a little more of an expert than you.

If you still don't see the facts, read Warren Buffet's statement.

The only one who needs to stick to the facts, is you.

Yet again attacking me while you are the one not reading all the facts or creating your own "alternative facts", just like in the case as to who has the military command on the KP. I gave you numerous occasions and hints to read up on all the facts, yet you kept staunchly repeating only half the truth and when I gave you the full picture as to what the facts really are you went "mum".

If Trump had a nickname for you it would be False claims Harry

Accusing me in other posts for name calling, which I never did, yet you can't stop doing it.

answers in red

Keep posting your "alternative facts" and I will keep pointing you to the real facts.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I know all about the US economy. I live here, remember.

Like I said "The president in office typically owns it if it's bad and gets credit for it if its good news. A lot of this stuff bridges administrations."

"A lot of this stuff bridges administrations" Was an indirect reference to Bush allocating the TARP money.

There is something called a "honeymoon period" all presidents are awarded which is why I said "The president in office typically owns it if it's bad and gets credit for it if its good news. " The honeymoon period is long over. Trump owns it all, good and bad.

Re-read your initial post and have to retract part of my post. You were saying the right things.

My main objection was that you posted the graph of the US debt with no reference that Obama had little choice. If Trump goes ahead with his tax plans it won't look much better for his tenure as he banks heavily on dynamic scoring which means that the US economy has to grow in excess of 3% each year for the next 10 years. The IMF called that "extremely optimistic".

 

[slotplayer]

Re-read your initial post and have to retract part of my post. You were saying the right things.

My main objection was that you posted the graph of the US debt with no reference that Obama had little choice. If Trump goes ahead with his tax plans it won't look much better for his tenure as he banks heavily on dynamic scoring which means that the US economy has to grow in excess of 3% each year for the next 10 years. The IMF called that "extremely optimistic".

I think I used phrases like, "on face value" and "technically" with regard to the Obama graph, that's why.

I understand its "extremely optimistic" and not likely to happen for 10 years, they always score in 10 years intervals. 4 years of average 3% GDP is possible. The second quarter GDP was 3.1%.


The Trump tax plan may have a big effect on US gamblers if he eliminates itemized deductions because that is the section where you put your gambling losses. (IRS Schedule A, line 28, "other miscellaneous deductions" for those that want to look up the form)

I stopped gambling because even though you can deduct losses up to winnings and not pay Federal tax on the winnings, total winnings for the year are still added in as "other income" (IRS 1040 form line 21 for those that want to look up the form) and health insurance premiums are based on income. So gambling can artificially inflate your income especially if you lose all or most of your winnings back.

 

[slotplayer]

yes, yes yes, another one of my videos.

This one is on US immigration - 13.x minutes long.

For reference in the video, 1965 is when the congress changed immigration policy.

 

[vorcirion]

yes, yes yes, another one of my videos.

This one is on US immigration - 13.x minutes long.

For reference in the video, 1965 is when the congress changed immigration policy.



Wow...you really needed to build more things 'cause there are more people? And how the hell immigration makes your water polluted? it's nice how he shows immigration with red and other people with green. He only seems to try to scare people with how many immigrants there will be compared to americans. Doesn't talk about the effects (positive or negatives sides) of immigration.

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[slotplayer]

Wow...you really needed to build more things 'cause there are more people? And how the hell immigration makes your water polluted? it's nice how he shows immigration with red and other people with green. He only seems to try to scare people with how many immigrants there will be compared to americans. Doesn't talk about the effects (positive or negatives sides) of immigration.

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You're not even here, so why would you even know? He said bring down the immigration to 1965 levels.

Bring in immigrants from the poorest countries, bring in their habits.

Do you think the country, any country has unlimited resources?

Do you see racism and social injustice in everything?

Watch it again once your emotions settle down.

 

[vorcirion]

You're not even here, so why would you even know? He said bring down the immigration to 1965 levels.

Bring in immigrants from the poorest countries, bring in their habits.

Do you think the country, any country has unlimited resources?

Do you see racism and social injustice in everything?

Watch it again once your emotions settle down.

Just living in US doesn't make you knowledgeable about US. You actually need to have some kind of intellectual curiosity (which Trump doesn't have) to find facts. You people just find things that fit in to your world view and think them as facts.


No country has unlimited resources of course. But US isn't really suffering the way you people think 'cause of immigrants. You can fix things if you have the political will (and you do have enough resources to fix things) but it seems to be always about the next election cycle, which stops people doing the right thing. I'm sure many of those politicians (republicans and democrats) know better than the majority of people...but gotta get some votes!

 

[slotplayer]

Just living in US doesn't make you knowledgeable about US. You actually need to have some kind of intellectual curiosity (which Trump doesn't have) to find facts. You people just find things that fit in to your world view and think them as facts.
this is pretty accurate how you right-wing people tend to go. Ignore the facts and go with how people feel about things. Maybe you should think about your emotions and search for facts and not some select sites because you dislike "liberal" views so much.

No country has unlimited resources of course. But US isn't really suffering the way you people think 'cause of immigrants. You can fix things if you have the political will (and you do have enough resources to fix things) but it seems to be always about the next election cycle, which stops people doing the right thing. I'm sure many of those politicians (republicans and democrats) know better than the majority of people...but gotta get some votes!

Nothing to do with Trump, nothing to do with liberal views, I hear it from the liberal leaders themselves.

look at the guy on the front of your video. (Newt Gringrich)
Now look at the same guy in back on the right of Bill Clinton's video from 1995. See how young he was?

Not a new issue like your "where ever you get your info" has you believe.

Listen to Clinton's 1995 video. What year is it now?

 

[slotplayer]

Can only embed 1 video at a time

Let's listen to the Obama's video in 2005. What year is it now?

 

[slotplayer]

And the last one


Obama in 2014 (after Clinton). What year is it now?

 

[lockinlove]

Just saw the FEMA director give Trump an A+ for how he reacted and dealt with all the hurricane disasters including puerto rico. Pretty impressive considering he was always a Clinton supporter.

Too bad all we see on the mainstream is how some democrat mayor that no one agrees with, making headlines with her anti trump rhetoric

 

[lockinlove]

answers in red

Keep posting your "alternative facts" and I will keep pointing you to the real facts.

Certainly not completely false, to the contrary your statement represents your "alternative facts". The stock market started the rally mainly because of his tax reform promise, which so far has not materialized. And the stock market run is currently not the biggest rise (measured in percent) for the same period after election day, compared to other presidents "Trump's bump" is in 4th place.

As for your comment "Since the trump election the stock market has shot up almost without serious fluctuation for this first time in history.", look at the chart below, i took out the years 2009 - 2011 as that was indeed a time where it could go only go up. From 2012 - 2014 the rise was similar with no serious fluctuation. You can go back to other years when new presidents were elected and will see on numerous occasions similar developments.

So please do your research properly.

Yes it is completely false. And I can tell when discussing things with you, you do a quick google search and click on the first site you see and repeat it.

You seem so proud and confident of this response





And this final graph was actually confirmed by the NYTIMES who is one of the biggest Trump haters in the media



Also the senior index analyst for Dow jones confirmed that since Trump took office the S&P 500 added 2,4 trillion in market value, Tech also rose 30% since election day because Trumps policy. DOW went up 4000 points right after the election.

So I will believe when Trump haters post supporting argument in regards to the market/economy and unbias professionals over you and your liberal sites. Again, thats the difference between you and I. You post liberal propangada, I post from unbiased sources. I suggest when you make comments like "you should do your research" you should actually do some yourself. Because this just looks silly on your part

This comment just shows how clueless you are or pretend to be in this case. You are so happy that Mr. T pulled out from the TPP but completely forget that most goods you buy every day are coming at that low price exactly because of trade agreements. Just check how Canada benefited from NAFTA or will benefit from CETA

lol your argument was to return my products. What kind of response do you expect from such an outlandish remark? There is nothing clueless about it, you made the comment not me.

Yet again not doing your research. A lot of big companies released similar statements just to get of Trump's radar, while those plans were already in place before he was elected. These were pure marketing tricks. I can point you to reports to read up on it if you can't "find" them again. Same goes for the F35 timeline.

Just because you say it doesnt make it true. Im the one using their words as proof. You are using your own thoughts and trying to pass it off as some sort of fact

Yet again not reading all what is in his tax plan. Reducing from 7 to 3 brackets sounds all fine and dandy until your read that the lowest bracket will increase from 10% to 12% and the highest will be lowered from 39.6% to 35%. Increasing standard deduction but eliminating other deductions, hence no relieve there except for singles and families with no or just one child. The Council of Economic Advisers predicts a $4,000 tax relief over 8 YEARS for a family income of $50,000. That is like a drop of rain in the desert.

Mr. T stated that as usual by leaving out half the truth: "My Council of Economic Advisers estimates that this change ... would likely give the typical American household a $4,000 pay raise". and of course not saying that it is the estimated total for 8 YEARS!!!

The IMF, which has been often leaning towards the US, assumes in its latest economic forecast that Mr. T "will not deliver an overhaul of the U.S. tax system this year or next." and reduced the forecast for the growth rate. I think they are a little more of an expert than you.

If you still don't see the facts, read Warren Buffet's statement.

oh yes lets read warren buffets statement who is a democratic supporter at a presidential level! I sure love that unbias opinion! Fact: Trumps plan would make it so the lower income families would pay almost nothing in taxes. Fact: He is cutting taxes for small business. Fact: removing the marriage penalty and raising child benefits is incredibly beneficial together. If you did your research properly, the 10% that is raised to 12% would most likely pay nothing under his new plan anyways.

Yet again attacking me while you are the one not reading all the facts or creating your own "alternative facts", just like in the case as to who has the military command on the KP. I gave you numerous occasions and hints to read up on all the facts, yet you kept staunchly repeating only half the truth and when I gave you the full picture as to what the facts really are you went "mum".

Attacking? Wow if thats attacking id hate to see what happens if I called you a name or actually attacked you. How is asking you to stick to the facts attacking when you are the one that just told me to stick to facts lol? I find it really strange you say im using alternative facts. Read your posts, you do not provide any facts so if anyone in this thread is posting alternative facts, its you. Just like your false claim about Ford. Sadly, when you make these things up its easy to discredit you because they have stated the opposite of what you say. And when confronted about it your argument is always the same. Yeah they may have said it but they didnt really mean it! Another example is what the President of South Korea stated. Yet, we arent supposed to believe what he says because Harry says we shouldnt and instead listen to what he thinks.

Accusing me in other posts for name calling, which I never did, yet you can't stop doing it.

How is this name calling? All you are doing is posting all opinions from yourself and what other liberals say like its some sort of argument. You never post any kind of facts its the same thing over and over. You go to a liberal site and come here and post it. I post unbias analysts and quotes debunking everything you say and you come back with the same stuff time after time. Its a vicious circle.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Don't have the time to respond to your half-true statements as I have more urgent matters to attend to right now.

But as usual you think that you are the only one informed in this universe, you just can't stop highlighting that when you are clearly not the only one.

Will post my answers in about a week when i have more time to respond to your drivel.

Yes it is completely false. And I can tell when discussing things with you, you do a quick google search and click on the first site you see and repeat it.

You seem so proud and confident of this response

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And this final graph was actually confirmed by the NYTIMES who is one of the biggest Trump haters in the media

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Also the senior index analyst for Dow jones confirmed that since Trump took office the S&P 500 added 2,4 trillion in market value, Tech also rose 30% since election day because Trumps policy. DOW went up 4000 points right after the election.

So I will believe when Trump haters post supporting argument in regards to the market/economy and unbias professionals over you and your liberal sites. Again, thats the difference between you and I. You post liberal propangada, I post from unbiased sources. I suggest when you make comments like "you should do your research" you should actually do some yourself. Because this just looks silly on your part



lol your argument was to return my products. What kind of response do you expect from such an outlandish remark? There is nothing clueless about it, you made the comment not me.



Just because you say it doesnt make it true. Im the one using their words as proof. You are using your own thoughts and trying to pass it off as some sort of fact



oh yes lets read warren buffets statement who is a democratic supporter at a presidential level! I sure love that unbias opinion! Fact: Trumps plan would make it so the lower income families would pay almost nothing in taxes. Fact: He is cutting taxes for small business. Fact: removing the marriage penalty and raising child benefits is incredibly beneficial together. If you did your research properly, the 10% that is raised to 12% would most likely pay nothing under his new plan anyways.



Attacking? Wow if thats attacking id hate to see what happens if I called you a name or actually attacked you. How is asking you to stick to the facts attacking when you are the one that just told me to stick to facts lol? I find it really strange you say im using alternative facts. Read your posts, you do not provide any facts so if anyone in this thread is posting alternative facts, its you. Just like your false claim about Ford. Sadly, when you make these things up its easy to discredit you because they have stated the opposite of what you say. And when confronted about it your argument is always the same. Yeah they may have said it but they didnt really mean it! Another example is what the President of South Korea stated. Yet, we arent supposed to believe what he says because Harry says we shouldnt and instead listen to what he thinks.



How is this name calling? All you are doing is posting all opinions from yourself and what other liberals say like its some sort of argument. You never post any kind of facts its the same thing over and over. You go to a liberal site and come here and post it. I post unbias analysts and quotes debunking everything you say and you come back with the same stuff time after time. Its a vicious circle.

 

[slotplayer]

Just living in US doesn't make you knowledgeable about US. You actually need to have some kind of intellectual curiosity (which Trump doesn't have) to find facts. You people just find things that fit in to your world view and think them as facts.
this is pretty accurate how you right-wing people tend to go. Ignore the facts and go with how people feel about things. Maybe you should think about your emotions and search for facts and not some select sites because you dislike "liberal" views so much.

No country has unlimited resources of course. But US isn't really suffering the way you people think 'cause of immigrants. You can fix things if you have the political will (and you do have enough resources to fix things) but it seems to be always about the next election cycle, which stops people doing the right thing. I'm sure many of those politicians (republicans and democrats) know better than the majority of people...but gotta get some votes!

This was on Tucker tonight btw.

Like I've just been saying about immigration: around 21:13 in the video. CIS - Center for Immigration Studies:

Like I said in previous posts about how dangerous the progressive left is in America: around 29:35 in the video.

 

[Steviedoo]

This was on Tucker tonight btw.

Like I've just been saying about immigration: around 21:13 in the video. CIS - Center for Immigration Studies:

Like I said in previous posts about how dangerous the progressive left is in America: around 29:35 in the video.



I'm wondering if I posted a video from CNN news about how dangerous the right wing is in America Right now if you would believe a word of it.

Slotplayer....I don't have such video or it probably doesn't exist but you seem to think that Just because Fox News has said it then it must be the truth...

Fox News is exactly like CNN... fake.

 

[slotplayer]

I'm wondering if I posted a video from CNN news about how dangerous the right wing is in America Right now if you would believe a word of it.

Slotplayer....I don't have such video or it probably doesn't exist but you seem to think that Just because Fox News has said it then it must be the truth...

Fox News is exactly like CNN... fake.

Good God no. The right wing is not trying to undo the constitution.

I don't consider Tucker Carlson right wing. Right of center.

Don't confuse the Charlottesville with right wing. They're radical right wing and have little power.

These two in the video are considered right wing in America but not radical right wing.
Bernie and his supporters are considered far left wing progressive, not left leaning democrats, they're nowhere to be found.

 

[Steviedoo]

Good God no. The right wing is not trying to undo the constitution.

I don't consider Tucker Carlson right wing. Right of center.

Don't confuse the Charlottesville with right wing. They're radical right wing and have little power.

These two in the video are considered right wing in America but not radical right wing.
Bernie and his supporters are considered far left wing progressive, not left leaning democrats, they're nowhere to be found.








Come on...you can post a million videos and as long as they have that CNN or Fox News symbol at the bottom of the screen....I'm not gonna believe a word. Sorry.

i can post a video saying right wing radicals are trying to ruin this country ....and incite violence....cuz they think liberals....are trying to dismantle the very fabric of this country...with things like abortion...gay marriage....

So I'm gonna ask you....why is your tucker carlson video of left wing progressives trying to ruin America video more truthful than a video I might post that says the opposite....?!!?!

And you're missing the point of my post...you can post a million videos from Fox News and I can counter with a million more videos from CNN...and both will push forth the agendas they adhere to.
These are not news channels but entertainment news channels...that cater to a specific point of view....

I don't trust the media. Never have.

And pls...Bernie bros and company....I hope they disappear soon...as they are no better then your right wing radicals...


Ps.
And You're killing me...rush limbaugh is considered a right wing centre!!!????....good lord.....is this the same rush limbaugh who told everyone the hurricane(don't remember the name) that hit this summer was fake news and a conspiracy of the climate change ppl....and told his audience to stay put ....and then he evacuated....but didn't mention that fact to his audience....my elderly aunt who lives in charleston....listens to him religioulsy...refused to leave her house...cuz there was no danger cuz rush limbaugh convinced his audience to stay put...guess what she got lucky this time...next time...and I hope there isn't a next time...she might not be.

 

[weesie]

Slotplayer, kudos to you for your efforts in this conversation.

I gave up a long time ago.

They can deny all they want but to me, most of the comments here come across

as hating the U.S.A.

(And before you all start, I know, I know, you don't hate us, so you say)

I come and read where I left off every few days.

No matter what you say, you can't win. Actually, I am surprised you are still in it.

Again, kudos!

 

[Flyer187]

The one aspect of American politics that fascinates me is the political parties that exist outside Republicans and Democrats.

There's some quite eccentric / unbelievable characters in the US who have taken their views / parties on to blogging and video platforms.

In the UK, we have around half a dozen political parties that receive varying amounts of mainstream coverage but do get their views / points heard.

Any political views outside the 2-party system in America almost appear not to have any form of platform - I would get bored very quickly hearing a constant stream of only 2 approaches / viewpoints.

 

[slotplayer]

Come on...you can post a million videos and as long as they have that CNN or Fox News symbol at the bottom of the screen....I'm not gonna believe a word. Sorry.

i can post a video saying right wing radicals are trying to ruin this country ....and incite violence....cuz they think liberals....are trying to dismantle the very fabric of this country...with things like abortion...gay marriage....

So I'm gonna ask you....why is your tucker carlson video of left wing progressives trying to ruin America video more truthful than a video I might post that says the opposite....?!!?!

And you're missing the point of my post...you can post a million videos from Fox News and I can counter with a million more videos from CNN...and both will push forth the agendas they adhere to.
These are not news channels but entertainment news channels...that cater to a specific point of view....

I don't trust the media. Never have.

And pls...Bernie bros and company....I hope they disappear soon...as they are no better then your right wing radicals...


Ps.
And You're killing me...rush limbaugh is considered a right wing centre!!!????....good lord.....is this the same rush limbaugh who told everyone the hurricane(don't remember the name) that hit this summer was fake news and a conspiracy of the climate change ppl....and told his audience to stay put ....and then he evacuated....but didn't mention that fact to his audience....my elderly aunt who lives in charleston....listens to him religioulsy...refused to leave her house...cuz there was no danger cuz rush limbaugh convinced his audience to stay put...guess what she got lucky this time...next time...and I hope there isn't a next time...she might not be.

In this case it has nothing to do with the media outlet because it's not opinion.

My first video reference was the guy from the CIS Center for Immigration Studies that actually wrote the report. It doesn't get any closer than that. Does it? That's why I find it credible.

The guy in the second video referenced a Pew research poll. afaik they're pretty unbiased in their data collection. That's why I find it credible. If I recall all the news outlets sight Pew Research data. The media outlet had nothing to do with it.

Tucker is right of center. Actually America is a right of center country.

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Here in America Rush and Hannity are considered hard right guys, strict constitutionalists, like Senator Ted Cruz but not radical.

The Neo-con groups like in Charlottsville are far right or radical or extreme right, that is to say they're even more right than Rush and Hannity are.

Then there is the left wing progressives. They've risen to some power in recent years. They want to re-make the country. They see America as an unjust, racist, flawed country.

We see case after case of it, Dr Sueses is a racist, the founding fathers racist. If they get some real power like in office, they'll redo everything to how they see it and not how the founding fathers intended. They don't like the constitution, like the guy in the Pew poll revealed. that's what makes them dangerous.