President Trump

[goatwack]

I don't believe every debate needs everything to be proven with facts. There's this current school of thought that in order to comment on any given subject matter you have to either possess 1) a doctorate in the field or 2) let your emotions fly and base everything purely on feelings.

It is ok to disagree with someone's point of view simply for having a different line of thought or reasoning....throwing out links from predominantly biased news outlets quickly becomes like some tiresome archive war that no one's going to win :nod:

The best part of debating is acknowledging an opposing view and respecting their right to have it.....minus the personal grievances that develop over things that none of us can control or change anyway!

 

[paul7388]

I don't believe every debate needs everything to be proven with facts. There's this current school of thought that in order to comment on any given subject matter you have to either possess 1) a doctorate in the field or 2) let your emotions fly and base everything purely on feelings.

It is ok to disagree with someone's point of view simply for having a different line of thought or reasoning....throwing out links from predominantly biased news outlets quickly becomes like some tiresome archive war that no one's going to win :nod:

The best part of debating is acknowledging an opposing view and respecting their right to have it.....minus the personal grievances that develop over things that none of us can control or change anyway!

Do you have any facts to back up that statement

 

[goatwack]

Do you have any facts to back up that statement

I can't handle your triggering ways.

I shall slink back into my safe space

 

[lockinlove]

Since you brought it up anyway, I thought I should reply to it. I honestly got the impression, that it had bothered you, so I wanted to clarify.

As for the refugees in Finland topic. I took it as something different than just a conversation starter. Probably that's the reason for my somewhat ill-advised response.

Yeah I get

It probably did bother me back then.

I don't believe every debate needs everything to be proven with facts. There's this current school of thought that in order to comment on any given subject matter you have to either possess 1) a doctorate in the field or 2) let your emotions fly and base everything purely on feelings.

It is ok to disagree with someone's point of view simply for having a different line of thought or reasoning....throwing out links from predominantly biased news outlets quickly becomes like some tiresome archive war that no one's going to win :nod:

The best part of debating is acknowledging an opposing view and respecting their right to have it.....minus the personal grievances that develop over things that none of us can control or change anyway!

link?

I enjoy discussing politics on here because its with people I dont know. When it comes to family, it can actually cause issues. My aunt is far left. She is in love with Trudeau, while I despise him. She gets very aggressive when talking about it. And the worst thing I ever said to her was "Trudeaus approval ratings have went from 70% to 40% and continues dropping" She does not like her little prince insulted.

So when we go visit or she comes, we both make an effort not to talk about it. Its not like im super political person that discusses it all day long but when you have controversial leaders in north america, everyone becomes interested and everyone has an opinion.

But Im sure there are tonnes of people lurking this thread going wtf cares, as if people waste time on this stuff. And sometimes I think to myself, why am I wasting my time on this? Well, I bet this thread has saved me lots of money

 

[slotplayer]

I think when he first addressed it he was stating that both sides need to stop with the violence. Just because someone is a racist, it doesnt mean that gives anyone else the right to attack them.

He also doesnt like giving into the media so when they erupted with how dare Trump not condemn the KKK but instead tell both sides to settle down, the media tried to make it look like Trump was a racist.

Even though, dozens of times in the last 25 years trump has called out the KKK.

As for players kneeling during that anthem, I find it disturbing to say the least. And I am glad that many other sports figures are coming out against it and saying they would never do that or agree with it. If you want to stand up for racism or have ill feelings towards the president. Go get your protesting shorts on, grab your sign, write a letter, write on twitter, talk to the news. Do all of those things. But disrespecting the flag and anthem that has everything to do with the men and woman who died so it can be raised and sung, is completely wrong.

The left media always tries to make him look like a racist, the Muslim country ban, the border wall, the Dreamers. Anything that involves a non-white.

 

[jetset]

You're a feisty lady and deserve respect imo Lock...you are more than capable of holding your own in this interesting exchange of views and opinions.

 

[geordiecolin]

When someone else in another thread stated they think every country in the world should be allowed to have nukes?

I do not appreciate comments made in other threads being made issue of in another thread as has happened here but I need to address this.
There where caveats to my statements about every Country being allowed nukes. It is America's and Americans arrogant self important attitude towards Nukes and who should possess them and police the World that was being discussed. I could of added a number of other caveats to the list but I didn't see the need to as I did not expect the comment to be used in isolation in order to attempt to prove a point in another thread (This one)
Using a doctored statement to further your own ends is not a nice trait.

Did I call that person an idiot even though I was taken back by the comment? Or when the person tried using a mentally ill person as proof of some 9/11 conspiracy? No, if thats what they want to believe, they are entitled to do so.

Again you are referencing a discussion that took place on another thread with me.
You are stating as fact that the Lady was mentally ill. I strongly dispute that. She was doing the CIA and the American Governments bidding when it suited them then they hung her out to dry with all the force of the American establishment.
I am not prepared to continue the topics that you have alluded to further in this thread because discussions in another thread should remain in that thread so that the reader are able to see full posts for reference.
You have not exactly called me an idiot in this thread,but you came as close as possible to it with very little justification.

assumptions are like taking short cuts when you don't know where you are.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Exactly.

So a huge story that was on the front page everywhere else for many days, was on CNN for a couple hours the stuffed to the back page. We get it, they are bias.

With all due respect, you are wrong. Once again. My post was on sept 14th. There is nothing further than the truth. That is backed up by your site and CNN search.

"So CNN reports it 2 days earlier than all the other outlets"

That is false. So yes it is misleading

And yet again you quote only half of what I said to further your false argument. See the quoted posts below, that is how I answered, see post #761. Only you, who insists that you are always right and who doubles and triples down even when shown evidence contrary to that, are saying it is misleading. I highlighted the two parts so you can see them CLEARLY.

As fare as "huge story" goes, that is not true either. It was discussed that Comey might be charged. To this day, nobody has reported about it again, nor has Comey been charged, nor is he under investigation. So much for your "huge". :rollseyes: as you think emoticons are insulting.

I used the search function on CNN that showed the article was posted back in the politics section on sept 12. On sept 14th..yahoo news, abc, bbc, fox, ctv, cbc all had it on their front page. I visited CNN and there was absolutely nothing. You know, the largest and most up to date news agency in the world somehow doesnt have the biggest story on their front page. But somehow find room to put what Trumps tweets all over it.

So CNN reports it 2 days earlier than all the other outlets and you claim they had absolutely nothing. Just so funny how you try to defend the indefensible. Again, use wayback and you will see that it was indeed on the front page when it was published.

The pentagon stated this joint flight was the closest they have ever flown in regards to NK in the 21st century. So no, this hasnt been happening for decades.

A few days ago you made a claim no country in the world took his comments seriously.

"No political leader in this world will take Trump serious. They will just say: " Oh let the "rump" do his rumblings, we'll carry on without him"

They have been flying those missions for decades, sometimes closer, sometimes further away from NK airspace. No news, nothing special. And FYI, those missions are planned and executed under US command. Hence, certainly no indication that SK wants war like the US is pushing to have.

I still stand by my argument that nobody will take Trump serious. SK is "protected" by the US troops, do you seriously think that Moon would say something different in public at the UN than what he said, right after Trump's speech? He had no other choice after that speech.

Are we talking about Iran and Germany or Iran and the USA?

You said, quote: "You are not from the West." Now you change your argumentation again to fit your story.

 

[Harry_BKK]

But what he is saying and what he is doing is two different things. We see this all the time with leaders of countries. Someone who wants peace, does not fly fighter jets close to NK, ramp up war games etc. Someone who wants peace and to avoid war at all costs, would not participate in these aggressive maneuvers

Yet again your are changing your argumentation to fit your story..

Again, the maneuvers are planned and executed under US command, SK and Japan join in as they have little choice! And SK did not ramp up the war games, those "shows of force" have been happening for decades every time NK is doing something the US doesn't like, e.g. missile launch, test etc.

Moon has stated over and over again, there will be no war on the KP and that he want's a different approach to actually work towards peace on the KP. He just doesn't stand a chance to do something as the US keeps threatening war.

 

[geordiecolin]

Yet again your are changing your argumentation to fit your story..

Again, the maneuvers are planned and executed under US command, SK and Japan join in as they have little choice! And SK did not ramp up the war games, those "shows of force" have been happening for decades every time NK is doing something the US doesn't like, e.g. missile launch, test etc.

Moon has stated over and over again, there will be no war on the KP and that he want's a different approach to actually work towards peace on the KP. He just doesn't stand a chance to do something as the US keeps threatening war.

Deleted because it was not worth posting on the interweb.

 

[lockinlove]

I do not appreciate comments made in other threads being made issue of in another thread as has happened here but I need to address this.
There where caveats to my statements about every Country being allowed nukes. It is America's and Americans arrogant self important attitude towards Nukes and who should possess them and police the World that was being discussed. I could of added a number of other caveats to the list but I didn't see the need to as I did not expect the comment to be used in isolation in order to attempt to prove a point in another thread (This one)
Using a doctored statement to further your own ends is not a nice trait.


Again you are referencing a discussion that took place on another thread with me.
You are stating as fact that the Lady was mentally ill. I strongly dispute that. She was doing the CIA and the American Governments bidding when it suited them then they hung her out to dry with all the force of the American establishment.
I am not prepared to continue the topics that you have alluded to further in this thread because discussions in another thread should remain in that thread so that the reader are able to see full posts for reference.
You have not exactly called me an idiot in this thread,but you came as close as possible to it with very little justification.

assumptions are like taking short cuts when you don't know where you are.

Well nobody mentioned your name or handle and I know you browse these threads.

So if you dont like it, Im sorry to hear that and no harm was meant by it

You can disagree all you want about her being mentally ill. She was unfit to stand trial because of that reason. I mean, what more do you want? Or wait this is a conspiracy too? The judge was told to come to this verdict?

 

[lockinlove]

You're a feisty lady and deserve respect imo Lock...you are more than capable of holding your own in this interesting exchange of views and opinions.

Thanks! That is a YUGE compliment

The left media always tries to make him look like a racist, the Muslim country ban, the border wall, the Dreamers. Anything that involves a non-white.

I think the best thing that ever happened was the firing of Sean Spicer and the hiring of Sarah Huckabee.

Go watch her sound bytes, she has completely destroyed and embarrassed the left wing media many many times. She is incredibly swift, intelligent and one of the sharpest people around. And she has really given it to them. Not with insults or baseless facts, but always with facts and sound opinion

 

[lockinlove]

And yet again you quote only half of what I said to further your false argument. See the quoted posts below, that is how I answered, see post #761. Only you, who insists that you are always right and who doubles and triples down even when shown evidence contrary to that, are saying it is misleading. I highlighted the two parts so you can see them CLEARLY.

As fare as "huge story" goes, that is not true either. It was discussed that Comey might be charged. To this day, nobody has reported about it again, nor has Comey been charged, nor is he under investigation. So much for your "huge". :rollseyes: as you think emoticons are insulting.

And here I thought you were being well behaved and stopped with the eyeroll and patronizing posts and stuck to the discussion


You stated CNN posted 2 days before anyone else? I mean, that is clear cut. And its untrue. There werent and they did not.

So a story about James Comey possibly being charged with perjury and other crimes, who was portay as poor Comey who got fired for nothing, was great at his job a stand up a guy who spoke out against Trump and made accusations. Every news outlet headlining on their websites and running the story nonstop, is not a huge story because you say so? The facts disagree with your opinion.

They have been flying those missions for decades, sometimes closer, sometimes further away from NK airspace. No news, nothing special. And FYI, those missions are planned and executed under US command. Hence, certainly no indication that SK wants war like the US is pushing to have.

Do you have some inside info that discredits the pentagon? Because again no, they have not flown closer, ever. Again this is fact, yours is an opinion.

I still stand by my argument that nobody will take Trump serious. SK is "protected" by the US troops, do you seriously think that Moon would say something different in public at the UN than what he said, right after Trump's speech? He had no other choice after that speech.

Again, opinion. The fact is both Moon and Netanyahu were very supportive of that speech. And there were many many other politicians that agreed also.

But here's the thing. You are taking Moon at his word when it fits your agenda ie: your article you posted of him stating he wont accept war. But when he states he supports Trump, you say we shouldnt believe him.

You said, quote: "You are not from the West." Now you change your argumentation again to fit your story.

Come on. Now when I said the west why on earth would that suggest Germany in relation to our discussions? This entire debate is between the USA and Iran. But okay next time I will not assume you will get it and spell it out for you.

Yet again your are changing your argumentation to fit your story..

Again, the maneuvers are planned and executed under US command, SK and Japan join in as they have little choice! And SK did not ramp up the war games, those "shows of force" have been happening for decades every time NK is doing something the US doesn't like, e.g. missile launch, test etc.

Moon has stated over and over again, there will be no war on the KP and that he want's a different approach to actually work towards peace on the KP. He just doesn't stand a chance to do something as the US keeps threatening war.

As said above. You only take his word when it fits your agenda.

A country that wants peace at the time of extremely heightened tensions, would not engage in war games,strategic attack flyovers, test raids. Especially when NK has stated this is the reason they are disgruntled. A country that is all about peaceful dialogue would not partake in this and instead suggest they be halted and suggest possible negotiations.

 

[slotplayer]

Thanks! That is a YUGE compliment



I think the best thing that ever happened was the firing of Sean Spicer and the hiring of Sarah Huckabee.

Go watch her sound bytes, she has completely destroyed and embarrassed the left wing media many many times. She is incredibly swift, intelligent and one of the sharpest people around. And she has really given it to them. Not with insults or baseless facts, but always with facts and sound opinion

I work at home so I get to watch her every time they have one, live. She's great. I wasn't a fan of Spicer either.
Although I did have to leave just after the tax portion of press conference today so missed the last part of it.

Of course the left wing Media is all upset the wealthy and Trump might benefit from it. All of a sudden the lefties are concerned with national debt.

Like I said the left are obsessed with social and economic justice. It's a disease. Someday they're realize it's their chain migration immigration policy that is the root cause of all the problems.

 

[slotplayer]

I do not appreciate comments made in other threads being made issue of in another thread as has happened here but I need to address this.
There where caveats to my statements about every Country being allowed nukes. It is America's and Americans arrogant self important attitude towards Nukes and who should possess them and police the World that was being discussed. I could of added a number of other caveats to the list but I didn't see the need to as I did not expect the comment to be used in isolation in order to attempt to prove a point in another thread (This one)
Using a doctored statement to further your own ends is not a nice trait.


Again you are referencing a discussion that took place on another thread with me.
You are stating as fact that the Lady was mentally ill. I strongly dispute that. She was doing the CIA and the American Governments bidding when it suited them then they hung her out to dry with all the force of the American establishment.
I am not prepared to continue the topics that you have alluded to further in this thread because discussions in another thread should remain in that thread so that the reader are able to see full posts for reference.
You have not exactly called me an idiot in this thread,but you came as close as possible to it with very little justification.

assumptions are like taking short cuts when you don't know where you are.

Cool the insults please.

 

[Harry_BKK]

And here I thought you were being well behaved and stopped with the eyeroll and patronizing posts and stuck to the discussion

FYI, emoticons are part of online discussions. And this highlights sarcasm in the poster's words. You see it as patronizing. That alone disqualifies you as a serious discussion partner as it seems you cannot make a distinction between sarcastic and patronizing words/sentences/statements.


You stated CNN posted 2 days before anyone else? I mean, that is clear cut. And its untrue. There werent and they did not.

Wrong again. The answer was in reference to you listing all the outlets who had it on the 14th. Hence when answering directly to your post: "2 days earlier than all the other outlets" (at least have the decency to quote me correctly) then it refers to those you quoted.

So a story about James Comey possibly being charged with perjury and other crimes, who was portay as poor Comey who got fired for nothing, was great at his job a stand up a guy who spoke out against Trump and made accusations. Every news outlet headlining on their websites and running the story nonstop, is not a huge story because you say so? The facts disagree with your opinion.

Nothingburger cooked up by Trump's lawyer team and stated in the WH press conference on 13th September 2017. Nobody from the Justice Department issued a statement that he could possibly charged, hence this story was Trump's wishful thinking.

Has he been charged? Is he under investigation? No, that is a fact.


Do you have some inside info that discredits the pentagon? Because again no, they have not flown closer, ever. Again this is fact, yours is an opinion.

Wrong again, the Pentagon stated in the "21st century". That is the fact, not your "ever". And why would I want to discredit the Pentagon?

Again, opinion. The fact is both Moon and Netanyahu were very supportive of that speech. And there were many many other politicians that agreed also.

Totally misleading and complete falsehood. The only ones releasing / making a clear statement in favor of the speech were SK, Israel and a few US politicians.

Australia, UK, France, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Italy, Russia, China, Germany, Canada - were clearly not supportive of his speech or agreeing with it although they agree that the KP should be denuclearized, but with peaceful means.

In fact:
- "U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres rejected Trump's threat to defeat North Korea militarily.",
- "Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada received the longest applause during his General Assembly speech on Thursday after an implicit dig at Mr. Trump."
- "This was a bombastic, nationalist speech," said Margot Wallstrom, Sweden's foreign minister. "It must have been decades since one last heard a speech like that in the UN General Assembly. ... This was a speech at the wrong time to the wrong audience."

Does that sound supportive of or agreeing with Trump?

And your "many many" writing style --> very, very Trumpian

But here's the thing. You are taking Moon at his word when it fits your agenda ie: your article you posted of him stating he wont accept war. But when he states he supports Trump, you say we shouldnt believe him.

I did not say you should or shouldn't believe him, I said he had no other choice than to show support for the speech.


Come on. Now when I said the west why on earth would that suggest Germany in relation to our discussions? This entire debate is between the USA and Iran. But okay next time I will not assume you will get it and spell it out for you.

Because for everyone else, except you as it seems, Germany is part of what is called: The West.


As said above. You only take his word when it fits your agenda.

A country that wants peace at the time of extremely heightened tensions, would not engage in war games,strategic attack flyovers, test raids. Especially when NK has stated this is the reason they are disgruntled. A country that is all about peaceful dialogue would not partake in this and instead suggest they be halted and suggest possible negotiations.

One more time, they have been doing the "war games,strategic attack flyovers" for decades and nothing major has changed. With today's range of missiles it doesn't matter if you are 200 or 500km away from the potential target. SK has no choice but to take part, read the agreement between SK and US.

Answers in red

 

[lockinlove]

FYI, emoticons are part of online discussions. And this highlights sarcasm in the poster's words. You see it as patronizing. That alone disqualifies you as a serious discussion partner.

When you use an eyeroll emote, its exactly that. So having a discussion with someone and always rolling your eyes is not disrespectful? Go have a conversation with someone and start rolling your eyes and see how that goes. It has the same meaning as it does out there.

So now I dont qualify for serious discussion? Always trying to jab eh? You just cant control yourself, can you?

Wrong again. The answer was in reference to you listing all the outlets who had it on the 14th. Hence when answering directly to your post: "2 days earlier than all the other outlets" (at least have the decency to quote me correctly) then it refers tho those you quoted.

You can keep making things up, I doubt anyone buys it. You said 2 days earlier than all other outlets. Thats false. Whats your argument here? Everyone was reporting it... CNN didnt report it 2 days before everyone else.

Nothingburger brought up by Trump's lawyer team and stated in the WH press conference on 13th September 2017. Has he been charged? Is he under investigation? No, that is a fact.

So what does this have to do with anything?

Wrong again, the Pentagon stated in the "21st century". That is fact, not your "ever". And why would I want to discredit the Pentagon?

Provide me proof when they flew closer than this. But what does century matter? Fine lets use this century. The first time in 17 years. So now whats your argument about?

Totally misleading and complete falsehood. The only ones releasing / making a clear statement in favor of the speech were SK and Israel.

Australia, UK, France, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland Italy, Russia, China, Germany, Canada - were clearly not supportive of his speech or agreeing with it.

In fact: "U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres rejected Trump's threat to defeat North Korea militarily.", Trudeau: "Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of Canada received the longest applause during his General Assembly speech on Thursday after an implicit dig at Mr. Trump."

And your "many many" writing style --> very very Trumpian

Dont backpedal now. Your statement was none. Now you admit to two. So which is it then?

I see you getting backed into a corner again and trying to take a jab at me. Thank you for comparing me to Trump and his writing style. Again, try and leave the jabs out of it, it makes things less messy.

I did not say you shouldn't believe him, I said he had no other choice than to show support of the speech.]

So what should I do then, believe him or not believe him when he says something?

Because for everyone else except you as it seems, Germany is part of what is called: The West.]

Not in relation to our discussion through this entire thread. But okay fine, since I need to spell it out for you. The USA (and btw the entire west can be included if you want to veer off into that). Your personal experience means nothing to me or has any merit. You went to Iran and had a great time, if thats true, which I question because every time something is said about another country, you seem to visit it and say otherwise as your argument. All of Iran is a great country because Harry went there once.

And just for clarity, I am sure there are a bunch of nice Iranians. I have met some myself, so this isnt me calling out their entire population

The conversation is how an American is treated. Not a german. I hope that is better for you?

But anyways even the German government advised their citizens not to travel there. So all these government are delusional and should not be listened to? Tell that to all the innocent tourists locked up in Iran.

more time, they have been doing the "war games,strategic attack flyovers" for decades and nothing major has changed. With today's range of missiles it doesn't matter if you are 200 or 500km away from the potential target. SK has no choice but to take part,

You claim Moon wants peace? So, how does he go about this when tensions are high? Should he ramp up war games, attack raids and aggressive flyovers in fighter jets?

Or should he halt those actions for now, showing he wants peaceful dialogue?

Surely you dont think point #1 is the correct way to go about it?

read the agreement between SK and US

I have, have you? No where does it state they must join in these acts. The treaty calls upon either side to come to each others aid if one is attacked. The treaty also states both sides consult each other on the best way to go about it. So Moon is not forced by any means and if anything has the right to not agree with the provocations.

 

[sueyh]

Trump said nothing that I know of in all those months yet no lefties demanded the president say something.

I have a feeling that you kinda blaming lefties for labeling Trump as a racist, but that is not true. It's not so called lefties who say Trump is a racist.

An Asian-American booked a holiday home for her holiday through Airbnb, when she showed up to the house the owner of the house told her to fuck off and no Asians welcome and this is exact words he said. "I can do this to you. That's why we have Trump as a president." Who's the one said Trump support racism here? I highly doubt the owner of the house is a lefty. And this is not an isolated incident. Many racist action is taken under the name of Trump, because those racist believe their president is a racist.

KKK member posted Twitter by saying "Trump needs to remember who have voted for him." Who's the one said a big part of Trump support are racist here? It's not a lefty isn't it?

KKK member said on TV interview, because Trump is a president, the door is wide open for KKK people, who's the one said Trump welcomes racist here, it's not a lefty isn't it?

The issue is not whether Trump is a racist or not. The issue is how Trump is using "racism card" and "anti-immigration card".

Trump is not the only politician who are using "racism card" and "anti-immigration card" in politician. There are a lot of politicians are using "racism" and "immigration" to get support.

But yet, Trump is the only politician from a major party whose names is used to justify racist action, and he is the only politician who is called dear friend by extreme racist like KKK.

 

[slotplayer]

I have a feeling that you kinda blaming lefties for labeling Trump as a racist, but that is not true. It's not so called lefties who say Trump is a racist.

An Asian-American booked a holiday home for her holiday through Airbnb, when she showed up to the house the owner of the house told her to fuck off and no Asians welcome and this is exact words he said. "I can do this to you. That's why we have Trump as a president." Who's the one said Trump support racism here? I highly doubt the owner of the house is a lefty. And this is not an isolated incident. Many racist action is taken under the name of Trump, because those racist believe their president is a racist.

KKK member posted Twitter by saying "Trump needs to remember who have voted for him." Who's the one said a big part of Trump support are racist here? It's not a lefty isn't it?

KKK member said on TV interview, because Trump is a president, the door is wide open for KKK people, who's the one said Trump welcomes racist here, it's not a lefty isn't it?

The issue is not whether Trump is a racist or not. The issue is how Trump is using "racism card" and "anti-immigration card".

Trump is not the only politician who are using "racism card" and "anti-immigration card" in politician. There are a lot of politicians are using "racism" and "immigration" to get support.

But yet, Trump is the only politician from a major party whose names is used to justify racist action, and he is the only politician who is called dear friend by extreme racist like KKK.

My point was that the player did what he did 13 months ago but the left media did not pile on Trump for not saying anything about it because it fits their left wing victimization agenda whereas he was not fast enough or explicit enough or precise enough in condemning the KKK group. You're still trying to tie him to them when there is no evidence.

Of course it's the left that labels Trump a racist, look at the events over the last 8 months, the travel ban (racist against Muslims), the border wall/immigration (racist against Mexicans), the DACA kids (racists against Latinos). Why can't it be just because its the law or a pragmatic solution to a problem. Social justice that's why. Same goes for the tax reform, the left: its a tax cut for the wealthy and the left believes the wealthy have too much already, they see it as economically unjust.

No doubt there is discriminatory Landlords in America with 321 million people from all parts of the world. No doubt there will be discriminatory Landlords well after Trump is gone.

As far as the airbnb landlady goes, Trump is not responsible for the emboldened actions of others whether it be discriminatory Landlord or the KKK just like Bernie Sanders was not responsible for one of his supporters shooting a bunch of Congress people and staffers. Just like Obama was not responsible for Black Lives Matter chanting "Dead Cops Now".

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[Steviedoo]

The left media always tries to make him look like a racist, the Muslim country ban, the border wall, the Dreamers. Anything that involves a non-white.

yes it was the media who kicked off his presidential race by insulting all mexicans....he's not racist...fake media made that up...

...and yes it is the media...who wants to ban muslims, kick out the dreamers and build a border wall....and lets not forget banning transgenders in the army...fake media made up those laws he is trying to pass...

...slotplayer...the president of the united states has been golfing 66 times since january...he's going golfing this weekend while americans are with out water, power, medicine or food....you might think his pr dept might say to him...maybe not such a good idea to play golf this weekend....

this presidency and all of his men are the epitome of hypocrosy....but her emails....

 

[jetset]

That vid sums up what many believe is wrong about "taking the knee" imo

 

[lockinlove]

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The NFL is not doing so well with this at all. There is tens of millions of americans boycotting the nfl because of this. The hashtag #boycottNFL is trending by the millions, lots of celebs and famous athletes are even speaking out about it.

They complain about such and such dividing a nation, yet these players are the ones leading the parade on that one.

 

[Harry_BKK]

When you use an eyeroll emote, its exactly that. So having a discussion with someone and always rolling your eyes is not disrespectful? Go have a conversation with someone and start rolling your eyes and see how that goes. It has the same meaning as it does out there.

Emoticons are highlighting a poster's words since usually on a forum/chat people can not see each other. In general chat speak means --> these words are meant with sarcasm and not that they are patronizing.

English dictionary: emoticon = an image made up of symbols such as punctuation marks, used in text messages, emails, etc. to express a particular emotion

So now I dont qualify for serious discussion? Always trying to jab eh? You just cant control yourself, can you?

Indeed, you do not. And I did not come to this conclusion just from your misinterpretation of emoticons. Not just your writing but as well as argumentation are very Trumpian, which is: "never admit that you are / were wrong, double and triple down on it and go on the counter attack."

1. Your post that Comey could face charges, a huge story as you put it in a later post, and it was not reported by CNN. That would show how biased CNN is.

- First falsehood is that contrary to your post it was reported by CNN which I pointed to in my first answer
- You doubled down on your standpoint, but admitting as much that it was buried somewhere on the CNN site
- I then gave you means to check that it was indeed on the front page when it was initially published
- You tripled down on your standpoint that you did not post a falsehood but it was buried, one could call that "alternative facts"
- Again, I highlighted it was not buried
- Now you quadrupled down that since it disappeared from the front page after a few hours shows the bias of CNN and they failed miserably to report properly on such a "huge story".
- It was not a huge story as nobody ever since has reported again on it. The WH press secretary stated on the previous day that Comey might have done something illegal by "leaking privileged information". Only that that is not illegal unless the information was classified before its release to the public. She added that "she does in no way instruct the DOJ what they should do but she thinks they should look at it." Not instructing eh? Secondly, the DOJ at no point stated that Comey committed anything illegal when he released the memos, nor are they investigating him, nor have have they charged him. Hence, this was just another deflection from the WH
--> Conclusion: You saw an opportunity to have a dig at CNN while a 30-second search would have shown you that it was reported. After all you dislike them so much. Very Trumpian

2. Your claim that "many many" others supported Trump's UN speech

- Second falsehood
- Can't be bothered to list you doubling and tripling down.
- Conclusion: Do not admit you were wrong in stating "many many" but double down, deflect and counter attack. Very Trumpian

3. You wrote: "Iran hates America"

- Third falsehood
- You brush 80Mio people under one rug, yet you have never been to the ME region, let alone to Iran
- Can't remember if you stated "1 million" or "millions" marched chanting death to the US and Israel/Jews - 1 Mio is 1.2% of the population, even a few million would not touch 5% of the entire Iran population
- On top, you completely dismiss the history as to why it has come to the current Iran situation
- Conclusion: Making wild assumptions about an entire country. Very Trumpian

PS. I you added that you even met some Iranians, that makes your statement: "Iran hates America" even worse.

... list not complete, but three should be sufficient.



You can keep making things up, I doubt anyone buys it. You said 2 days earlier than all other outlets. Thats false. Whats your argument here? Everyone was reporting it... CNN didnt report it 2 days before everyone else.

False quote to further your argumentation for your initial post. I answered directly to your post listing a few news outlets and wrote: "than all THE other outlets". Every person with just medium English skills will understand that since I quoted your post, the answer is directly referring to your quoted outlets, except you who reads it differently. Doubling, tripling down etc.

So what does this have to do with anything?

Your initial post was that CNN did not report the "huge" (as you later put it) story about Comey. And he is not under investigation nor charged. Hence, I would say it has everything to do with your false claims.

Provide me proof when they flew closer than this. But what does century matter? Fine lets use this century. The first time in 17 years. So now whats your argument about?

Do your seriously think i am privy to classified Pentagon information?

Dont backpedal now. Your statement was none. Now you admit to two. So which is it then?

I see you getting backed into a corner again and trying to take a jab at me. Thank you for comparing me to Trump and his writing style. Again, try and leave the jabs out of it, it makes things less messy.

Yet again the Trumpian style --> deflect and counter attack. Read my posts again and show me where I said there was none. In my first post regarding this topic I stated the two countries that showed support.

So what should I do then, believe him or not believe him when he says something?

Any normal thinking person puts a statement from a president in the context and environment it was made. This was at the UN, what do you think it would have caused if he didn't show any support. Of course, Moon wants the pressure on NK, but certainly does not want war. In no part of the whole released SK statement did they show support for Trumps threat / wish "to destroy NK".

Not in relation to our discussion through this entire thread. But okay fine, since I need to spell it out for you. The USA (and btw the entire west can be included if you want to veer off into that). Your personal experience means nothing to me or has any merit. You went to Iran and had a great time, if thats true, which I question because every time something is said about another country, you seem to visit it and say otherwise as your argument. All of Iran is a great country because Harry went there once.

FYI, I have been indeed very lucky and consider me blessed that I was able to visit well in excess of 100 countries of this planet, and all but very few exceptions such as Madagascar, Seychelles, Samoa, not just once. Had all to do with my job in can making since they are made virtually in every country.

But such statement is expected from you, cast doubts on people where you can to make you stand in a better light

And just for clarity, I am sure there are a bunch of nice Iranians. I have met some myself, so this isnt me calling out their entire population

The conversation is how an American is treated. Not a german. I hope that is better for you?

But anyways even the German government advised their citizens not to travel there. So all these government are delusional and should not be listened to? Tell that to all the innocent tourists locked up in Iran.

Again, read the history to understand. Many Iranians became averse towards the US because once the US made the re-instatement of the Shah possible, they had the impression/feeling/sentiment/proof etc that the Shah was selling Iran cheaply to the US. It culminated in Khomeini returning and the rest is history as we know it. Certainly, not positive but Khomeini was very good at indoctrinating a portion of the Iranian people, just like Trump is doing now in the US.

You claim Moon wants peace? So, how does he go about this when tensions are high? Should he ramp up war games, attack raids and aggressive flyovers in fighter jets?

Or should he halt those actions for now, showing he wants peaceful dialogue?

Surely you dont think point #1 is the correct way to go about it?

I have, have you? No where does it state they must join in these acts. The treaty calls upon either side to come to each others aid if one is attacked. The treaty also states both sides consult each other on the best way to go about it. So Moon is not forced by any means and if anything has the right to not agree with the provocations.

Of course, Moon wants peace. Or do you seriously think he wants 100,000's or even millions of his citizens killed in an useless war that can be averted with diplomatic means. Ramp up the sanctions, dry up the money flow and it will show results, much more than starting a war as that will lead to a lot more trouble/destruction/deaths etc.

Shows only that you have NOT read the whole document with all annexes. Read up again as to who has the military command on the KP?

Answers in red again.

A few other things:

- you openly support, quote: "most or many (can't remember the exact word) of Trump's policies"
- it seems that is only the case when they apply to far away countries like Iran or NK
- however, your tone changed dramatically the soon Mr. T hit Canadian lumber with additional tariffs. (check your post)
- one would call that "hypocrisy"

- you openly lauded Mr. T for his Tomahawk deployment in Syria, after all the bad Assad had gassed his people (which is indeed absolutely disgraceful) and Mr. T is reigning him in, contrary to his predecessor.
- you forgot to mention that the Republican majority in Congress voted against Obama's intervention proposal
- you forgot to mention that Mr. T informed his "comrade" Putin 24hrs in advance of the strike
- one would think if you want to disable air combat capabilities you would aim to destroy the runway first, but miraculously all of those 59 "beautiful" (Trump quote) high-precision Tomahawks missed the runway
- on top, the airbase was back in action in less than 24 hrs
- you don't realize that this was pure show and "grandstanding" from Trump to show Abe and the world he is "the man" yet it was all cleared with the Russians (who, if you don't know, are close allies of Assad)
- yet again, hypocrisy from your end -> lauding Trump but not mentioning the whole story.


- I always saw and still see you as a bright and well informed person but to laud and support Trump for his actions is just beyond belief. Anyone who all the time sees his own doing as "the best", "the greatest", "very, very big", "huge", "fantastic" (to name just a few) and his predecessor's doing as the "worst", disastrous", "very bad" etc. must raise doubts in any normal thinking person that something is not right.

Just look at his "huge, historic, never-before-seen, once-in-a-generation..etc" tax reform plan.... it has at its base that the US economy will grow 6% per annum. Every economist, left, center and right, will tell you that is wishful thinking. The funny part (not so funny for a lot of Americans) is that the plan would raise the minimum bracket to from 10% to 12% and reduce the top bracket from 39.65 to 35%.

“Economy roaring,” Mr. Trump tweeted on Wednesday. Really? Nobody sees it roaring, rather growing at a steady pace.

End conclusion: I stand by my opinion that I can't see you as a serious debate/discussion partner as you keep defending the indefensible and of course you never accept any wrongdoing, instead doubling, tripling down, deflecting and counter attacking --> that is not debating

 

[sueyh]

My point was that the player did what he did 13 months ago but the left media did not pile on Trump for not saying anything about it because it fits their left wing victimization agenda whereas he was not fast enough or explicit enough or precise enough in condemning the KKK group. You're still trying to tie him to them when there is no evidence.

Of course it's the left that labels Trump a racist, look at the events over the last 8 months, the travel ban (racist against Muslims), the border wall/immigration (racist against Mexicans), the DACA kids (racists against Latinos). Why can't it be just because its the law or a pragmatic solution to a problem. Social justice that's why. Same goes for the tax reform, the left: its a tax cut for the wealthy and the left believes the wealthy have too much already, they see it as economically unjust.

No doubt there is discriminatory Landlords in America with 321 million people from all parts of the world. No doubt there will be discriminatory Landlords well after Trump is gone.

As far as the airbnb landlady goes, Trump is not responsible for the emboldened actions of others whether it be discriminatory Landlord or the KKK just like Bernie Sanders was not responsible for one of his supporters shooting a bunch of Congress people and staffers. Just like Obama was not responsible for Black Lives Matter chanting "Dead Cops Now".

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I never linked Trump to KKK, I clearly stated in the previous post that I never believe Trump share the view of KKK, and I also said I'm pretty sure Trump is disgust with KKK. All I'm saying is he plays "political tactic" like any other politicians, and his tactic was "using racism and anti-immigration."

So lefty media called him a racist, and some of his policies racism...what's wrong with that? Sometimes I'm quite surprised by Trump supporters because they want special treatment for Trump. Do you know any president who was free from criticism by media? I don't know any. What made you think everybody has to agree with Trump?

Every president went through same thing Trump is going through, they had to face criticism from media and people, and they had to do all the best to get the support they needed to make the policy happen. Trump is not the first president who was stopped from making policies happen because he didn't get enough support. I don't understand why you are so upset with the media. Didn't you just say it was first amendment that people has right to shout "Jews are not going to replace us." and you don't want to acknowledge the right the media say something they want to say?

I never said Trump is responsible for the action of Airbnb host, all I'm saying is Trump played "racism" card in a not good way and his action and his speech made many racist believe Trump support them, Trump did that because he needed vote from them not because he is a racist, and unfortunately his tactic came back to bite him now and America is divided so deeply because of his political tactics.

Trump is a president that is not that different from any other presidents. It's his duty to listen to those who don't support him, it's his job to unite all the people with all the different opinion. And I really hope you treat him in the same way all the previous president was treated. If trump face a strong criticism, it's his job to make people understand that is the best for the country, not blaming the media for not agreeing with him.

 

[slotplayer]

yes it was the media who kicked off his presidential race by insulting all mexicans....he's not racist...fake media made that up...

...and yes it is the media...who wants to ban muslims, kick out the dreamers and build a border wall....and lets not forget banning transgenders in the army...fake media made up those laws he is trying to pass...

...slotplayer...the president of the united states has been golfing 66 times since january...he's going golfing this weekend while americans are with out water, power, medicine or food....you might think his pr dept might say to him...maybe not such a good idea to play golf this weekend....

this presidency and all of his men are the epitome of hypocrosy....but her emails....

It's just more anti-Trump rhetoric.

If it bans all people from certain countries including Christians how can it be a Muslim ban?


The Dream act was temporary and unconstitutional even Obama said that. Watch the video.

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What is Canada's immigration policy, oh yes a merit based system, but the US has to have a chain migration policy or its racism.

How is your border doing since Justin Trudeau opened his big mouth?

Talk about hypocrisy.

What did Justin Trudeau say: Oh yes, “You will not be at an advantage if you choose to enter Canada irregularly. You must follow the rules and there are many.”

Canada is an opening and welcoming society,” he told reporters in Montreal following talks with Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar. “But let me be clear. We are also a country of laws. Entering Canada irregularly is not an advantage. There are rigorous immigration and customs rules that will be followed. Make no mistake.”

So we have to put up with 30+ years of illegal crossings but those crossing your border "must follow the rules and there are many".

Have you ever watch any documentaries on the US southern border, it's a hot desert, people die crossing it. The Coyotaje rape the women, rob and sometimes kill people. Why does the left think they know more than the actual border agents doing the job?

What is the murder rate in Canada? What is the murder rate in Mexico? I posted those numbers in the past. Go look them up.

As far as the Transgender's go, it is best to let the Military decide, after all they're the ones that would know best but if they're just joining to get free surgery off the taxpayer, then no.

Watch the same CNN/MSNBC I watch and you'll see it's almost Anti-Trump 24/7. I posted the Harvard study on it once before. Here it is again. CNN's coverage is 93% negative when it comes to Trump. That's why it earned the nickname "Fake News".




San Juan, Puerto Rico (CNN)A mountain of food, water and other vital supplies has arrived in Puerto Rico's main Port of San Juan.
But a shortage of truckers and the island's devastated infrastructure are making it tough to move aid to where it's needed most, officials say.
At least 10,000 containers of supplies -- including food, water and medicine -- were sitting Thursday at the San Juan port, said Jose Ayala, the Crowley shipping company's vice president in Puerto Rico.

Part of the reason for the distribution backlog is that only 20% of truck drivers have reported back to work since Hurricane Maria swept through, according to a representative for Puerto Rican Gov. Ricardo Rosselló.

On top of that, a diesel fuel shortage and a tangle of blocked roads mean the distribution of supplies is extremely challenging. Even contacting drivers is a problem because cell towers are still down.

 

[slotplayer]

The NFL is not doing so well with this at all. There is tens of millions of americans boycotting the nfl because of this. The hashtag #boycottNFL is trending by the millions, lots of celebs and famous athletes are even speaking out about it.

They complain about such and such dividing a nation, yet these players are the ones leading the parade on that one.

The whole issue was about to fade into obscurity until Trump blurted again.

So did your media cover the Melania book donation and the librarian wrote back sighting Dr Seuss is Racist now?

“Another fact that many people are unaware of is that Dr. Seuss’s illustrations are steeped in racist propaganda, caricatures, and harmful stereotypes,” Soeiro wrote, giving examples of "If I Ran a Zoo" and "And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street" as clear “racist mockery” in Seuss’ art.

I never linked Trump to KKK, I clearly stated in the previous post that I never believe Trump share the view of KKK, and I also said I'm pretty sure Trump is disgust with KKK. All I'm saying is he plays "political tactic" like any other politicians, and his tactic was "using racism and anti-immigration."

So lefty media called him a racist, and some of his policies racism...what's wrong with that? Sometimes I'm quite surprised by Trump supporters because they want special treatment for Trump. Do you know any president who was free from criticism by media? I don't know any. What made you think everybody has to agree with Trump?

Every president went through same thing Trump is going through, they had to face criticism from media and people, and they had to do all the best to get the support they needed to make the policy happen. Trump is not the first president who was stopped from making policies happen because he didn't get enough support. I don't understand why you are so upset with the media. Didn't you just say it was first amendment that people has right to shout "Jews are not going to replace us." and you don't want to acknowledge the right the media say something they want to say?

I never said Trump is responsible for the action of Airbnb host, all I'm saying is Trump played "racism" card in a not good way and his action and his speech made many racist believe Trump support them, Trump did that because he needed vote from them not because he is a racist, and unfortunately his tactic came back to bite him now and America is divided so deeply because of his political tactics.

Trump is a president that is not that different from any other presidents. It's his duty to listen to those who don't support him, it's his job to unite all the people with all the different opinion. And I really hope you treat him in the same way all the previous president was treated. If trump face a strong criticism, it's his job to make people understand that is the best for the country, not blaming the media for not agreeing with him.

Trump was never anti-immigration, he's anti-illegal immigration. There is a difference. It's doubtful Trump will be able to unite the country, he does not have the verbal skills or temperament.

The left sees racism in everything. I posted a perfect example above, about the librarian sending the books back saying Dr. Seuss was racist when in fact she herself was dressed in a Dr. Seuss costume in 2015.

 

[Steviedoo]

It's just more anti-Trump rhetoric.

If it bans all people from certain countries including Christians how can it be a Muslim ban?


The Dream act was temporary and unconstitutional even Obama said that. Watch the video.

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What is Canada's immigration policy, oh yes a merit based system, but the US has to have a chain migration policy or its racism.

How is your border doing since Justin Trudeau opened his big mouth?

Talk about hypocrisy.

What did Justin Trudeau say: Oh yes, “You will not be at an advantage if you choose to enter Canada irregularly. You must follow the rules and there are many.”

Canada is an opening and welcoming society,” he told reporters in Montreal following talks with Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar. “But let me be clear. We are also a country of laws. Entering Canada irregularly is not an advantage. There are rigorous immigration and customs rules that will be followed. Make no mistake.”

So we have to put up with 30+ years of illegal crossings but those crossing your border "must follow the rules and there are many".

Have you ever watch any documentaries on the US southern border, it's a hot desert, people die crossing it. The Coyotaje rape the women, rob and sometimes kill people. Why does the left think they know more than the actual border agents doing the job?

What is the murder rate in Canada? What is the murder rate in Mexico? I posted those numbers in the past. Go look them up.

As far as the Transgender's go, it is best to let the Military decide, after all they're the ones that would know best but if they're just joining to get free surgery off the taxpayer, then no.

Watch the same CNN/MSNBC I watch and you'll see it's almost Anti-Trump 24/7. I posted the Harvard study on it once before. Here it is again. CNN's coverage is 93% negative when it comes to Trump. That's why it earned the nickname "Fake News".

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San Juan, Puerto Rico (CNN)A mountain of food, water and other vital supplies has arrived in Puerto Rico's main Port of San Juan.
But a shortage of truckers and the island's devastated infrastructure are making it tough to move aid to where it's needed most, officials say.
At least 10,000 containers of supplies -- including food, water and medicine -- were sitting Thursday at the San Juan port, said Jose Ayala, the Crowley shipping company's vice president in Puerto Rico.

Part of the reason for the distribution backlog is that only 20% of truck drivers have reported back to work since Hurricane Maria swept through, according to a representative for Puerto Rican Gov. Ricardo Rosselló.

On top of that, a diesel fuel shortage and a tangle of blocked roads mean the distribution of supplies is extremely challenging. Even contacting drivers is a problem because cell towers are still down.


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Yes he trying to ban all the Christian terrorists from coming into the USA. Right? That's why the ban was put in place.

As for your wall and Trudeau. I agree with you. Never said you should not have all the vetting and proper protocols for legal immigration. So not a hypocrit. Never said otherwise. My issue is trump. Has always been. In the way he speaks and addresses these issues. He kicked off his campaign specifically saying he will build a wall and outright insulted all Mexicans which was racist. The media did not make up the words he used. . Sorry. There is a better way to do this or say this.


Puerto Rico - I would expect that Potus would show some modicum of compassion and grace. He has showed none. I would expect that he stop tweeting from the golf course about this cuz it makes him look bad. As a matter of fact he tweeted, which now has been deleted, that Puerto Ricans want everything done for them as well as slamming the mayor.

Slotplayer I do not have an issue with policy. I have an issue with trump. I do not watch CNN or MSNBC cuz I have no tv. As a matter of fact I blame the media for giving trump free reign in the days of his campaign. Never really digging further then what he spewed out on a daily basis. And for what? Ratings. I am anti media. Hate the all.

 

[slotplayer]

Yes he trying to ban all the Christian terrorists from coming into the USA. Right? That's why the ban was put in place.

As for your wall and Trudeau. I agree with you. Never said you should not have all the vetting and proper protocols for legal immigration. So not a hypocrit. Never said otherwise. My issue is trump. Has always been. In the way he speaks and addresses these issues. He kicked off his campaign specifically saying he will build a wall and outright insulted all Mexicans which was racist. The media did not make up the words he used. . Sorry. There is a better way to do this or say this.


Puerto Rico - I would expect that Potus would show some modicum of compassion and grace. He has showed none. I would expect that he stop tweeting from the golf course about this cuz it makes him look bad. As a matter of fact he tweeted, which now has been deleted, that Puerto Ricans want everything done for them as well as slamming the mayor.

Slotplayer I do not have an issue with policy. I have an issue with trump. I do not watch CNN or MSNBC cuz I have no tv. As a matter of fact I blame the media for giving trump free reign in the days of his campaign. Never really digging further then what he spewed out on a daily basis. And for what? Ratings. I am anti media. Hate the all.

I guess you have a long journey ahead if you can't handle Trump's style by now, after all he announced June of 215. Consider that maybe, just maybe, Trump won in part because many American's became fed up with the far left jamming the PC culture down their throats at every turn. It's push back.

As far as the travel ban goes, absolutely, if any group becomes a national security problem. You call it racism. I call it risk management.

As far as Trump insults go. You know sticks and stones and all that.

I saw the tweet on the news. I also saw the PR Mayor on CCN. I'm not going to pile on the PR people, the PR Mayor, the PR leaders, First Responders, Fema or Trump or even CNN. I can say Trump/Fema sent 4500 people to PR before the storm and my guess is that tweet was due to some feedback from one of them on site that became frustrated.

I don't have twitter. I don't follow twitter. I don't like twitter. I only see the Trump posts aired on TV news. I see the bad ones and the good ones.

Could it be that you only focus on the tweets that fit your leftist narrative? A quick 1 minute visit to Trump's Twitter account reveals some positive tweets as well.

Results of recovery efforts will speak much louder than complaints by San Juan Mayor. Doing everything we can to help great people of PR

We must all be united in offering assistance to everyone suffering in Puerto Rico and elsewhere in the wake of this terrible disaster.

The military and first responders, despite no electric, roads, phones etc., have done an amazing job. Puerto Rico was totally destroyed.

Congresswoman Jennifer Gonzalez-Colon of Puerto Rico has been wonderful to deal with and a great representative of the people. Thank you.

I will be in PR on Tues. to further ensure we continue doing everything possible to assist & support the people in their time of great need.

Are you aware that 1/3 of the wall has been built in the past by various presidents starting in 1994? The wall is not racist or a new issue, the issue goes back years. Did you know the US/Mexico border is world's busiest border? That's the world. What do you think the volume is of bad stuff that is happening as a result?

Have you ever even looked in the US southern border in detail? Do I really have to post a bunch of videos?

 

[lockinlove]

Emoticons are highlighting a poster's words since usually on a forum/chat people can not see each other. In general chat speak means --> these words are meant with sarcasm and not that they are patronizing.

English dictionary: emoticon = an image made up of symbols such as punctuation marks, used in text messages, emails, etc. to express a particular emotion

No one argued what an emoticon is, what is the point of this? An eyeroll emote is an eyeroll emote. A middle finger is a middle finger emote. Both have purposes.

1. Your post that Comey could face charges, a huge story as you put it in a later post, and it was not reported by CNN. That would show how biased CNN is.

- First falsehood is that contrary to your post it was reported by CNN which I pointed to in my first answer
- You doubled down on your standpoint, but admitting as much that it was buried somewhere on the CNN site
- I then gave you means to check that it was indeed on the front page when it was initially published
- You tripled down on your standpoint that you did not post a falsehood but it was buried, one could call that "alternative facts"
- Again, I highlighted it was not buried
- Now you quadrupled down that since it disappeared from the front page after a few hours shows the bias of CNN and they failed miserably to report properly on such a "huge story".
- It was not a huge story as nobody ever since has reported again on it. The WH press secretary stated on the previous day that Comey might have done something illegal by "leaking privileged information". Only that that is not illegal unless the information was classified before its release to the public. She added that "she does in no way instruct the DOJ what they should do but she thinks they should look at it." Not instructing eh? Secondly, the DOJ at no point stated that Comey committed anything illegal when he released the memos, nor are they investigating him, nor have have they charged him. Hence, this was just another deflection from the WH
--> Conclusion: You saw an opportunity to have a dig at CNN while a 30-second search would have shown you that it was reported. After all you dislike them so much. Very Trumpian]

Is there a reason why you cant ever have a proper discussion? What purpose does the Trumpian comments serve? How hard is it for you to just have a normal discussion?

I ask you for facts, you never post them. You resort to name calling and wild opinion. The search bar on CNN proves it. It shows september 12 politic section. Why are you denying this? Why are refusing to look at the facts? I mean, all it takes is to say admit it and move in.

There is no doubling or tripling down. On sept 14th there wasnt that article on the front page. Nor was there sept 12 according CNN search tool. You are the one who continues to make this up because you tried to come out swinging playing gotchya, when in fact you didnt slow down and pay attention as to what was being said. If anyone went all in, it was you when you thought you had me. And when I showed you otherwise, you started making stuff and twisting things. My post was sept 14th for all to see. Cnn search is for all to see. Yet you pretend none exist and what you say will be enough to convince whoever, its true

Yet again the Trumpian style --> deflect and counter attack. Read my posts again and show me where I said there was none. In my first post regarding this topic I stated the two countries that showed support.

Show you? Okay. I think you're too busy making stuff up you forget what you post

This was not a president talking! Rather a cheap preacher who tries to stamp his "mantra" on what he thinks are his followers.

Threatening sovereign nations to destroy them, calling anything Obama made: "the worst..." etc.etc. ... can't be bothered writing more, he is not worth talking about.

No political leader in this world will take Trump serious. They will just say: " Oh let the "rump" do his rumblings, we'll carry on without him"

So that was a made up comment. I provided you with two leaders who showed their support to again prove you wrong.

Political leader #1.

“In over 30 years in my experience with the UN, I never heard a bolder or more courageous speech,” Netanyahu said in a statement after the speech. “President Trump spoke the truth about the great dangers facing our world, and issued a powerful call to confront them in order to ensure the future of humanity.”

Political leader #2.

“We view the speech as portraying a firm and specific stance on the key issues regarding keeping peace and safety that the international community and the United Nations are faced with,”the office of South Korean President Moon Jae In said in a statement on Wednesday.

Any normal thinking person puts a statement from a president in the context and environment it was made. This was at the UN, what do you think it would have caused if he didn't show any support. Of course, Moon wants the pressure on NK, but certainly does not want war. In no part of the whole released SK statement did they show support for Trumps threat / wish "to destroy NK".

So now he chooses to lie and make things up because it would make him look bad?

And more misleading stuff from you.

Moons comments after being asked he thought of Trumps comments:

“We view the speech as portraying a firm and specific stance on the key issues regarding keeping peace and safety that the international community and the United Nations are faced with,”the office of South Korean President Moon Jae In said in a statement on Wednesday.

That is nothing but support.

FYI, I have been indeed very lucky and consider me blessed that I was able to visit well in excess of 100 countries of this planet, and all but very few exceptions such as Madagascar, Seychelles, Samoa, not just once. Had all to do with my job in can making since they are made virtually in every country.

But such statement is expected from you, cast doubts on people where you can to make you stand in a better light

I cast doubt on people who constantly make things up.

Again, read the history to understand. Many Iranians became averse towards the US because once the US made the re-instatement of the Shah possible, they had the impression/feeling/sentiment/proof etc that the Shah was selling Iran cheaply to the US. It culminated in Khomeini returning and the rest is history as we know it. Certainly, not positive but Khomeini was very good at indoctrinating a portion of the Iranian people, just like Trump is doing now in the US.

I dont need to read the statement. Its not an excuse to kill and torture and threaten a population of 130 million people. You seem to think it is for some reason.

Of course, Moon wants peace. Or do you seriously think he wants 100,000's or even millions of his citizens killed in an useless war that can be averted with diplomatic means. Ramp up the sanctions, dry up the money flow and it will show results, much more than starting a war as that will lead to a lot more trouble/destruction/deaths etc.

Shows only that you have NOT read the whole document with all annexes. Read up again as to who has the military command on the KP?

Again, making things up. You can keep doing this if you want and Ill just keep posting the facts

 

[geordiecolin]

Cool the insults please.

Ha ha. Your hypocrisy is amazing in pursuit of backing up "pragmatist" Lockinlove. Why did you not pull her up for as near as damn it calling a forum poster an idiot?
Believe me my post was very restrained considering how selective she was in arriving at that conclusion

 

[lockinlove]

Ha ha. Your hypocrisy is amazing in pursuit of backing up "pragmatist" Lockinlove. Why did you not pull her up for as near as damn it calling a forum poster an idiot?
Believe me my post was very restrained considering how selective she was in arriving at that conclusion

You argued with me for half a day about this cia source. Who turned out to be mentally ill.. so much so she was unfit to stand trial. You claimed any country should be able to have nukes, and you claimed the planes that hit the towers were faked in some way.

I again apologize if it came across that way. The point I was trying to make is even though I thought your comments were wild, I still respected your comments and didnt sink to the insult level that others like to do around here when they dont agree with me.

So no I wasnt calling you an idiot and I would appreciate if you accepted that. But just so you know, you are sort of doing the same thing when you say "my post was very restrained". Isnt that insinuating you have some choice words for me? And if you cant accept my explanation/apology than I would prefer you not continue with these types of comments towards me


Unrelated to the above.

Trump is going to have give up the public NFL fight. Its only getting worse. We now have players kneeling, pounding their chests and raising their arms in a strange way in protest. They are defiant and it doesnt matter if there is a cause now or not. They will do this just to be defiant. Its going to have to be the NFL owners that does something and not Trump. He has voiced his concerns, which I agree with. But its a losing battle. If the fans booing and yelling at them wont persuade them to stop, nothing will.

 

[Harry_BKK]

No one argued what an emoticon is, what is the point of this? An eyeroll emote is an eyeroll emote. A middle finger is a middle finger emote. Both have purposes.

You are the one who keeps saying that this is patronizing.


Is there a reason why you cant ever have a proper discussion? What purpose does the Trumpian comments serve? How hard is it for you to just have a normal discussion?

I ask you for facts, you never post them. You resort to name calling and wild opinion. The search bar on CNN proves it. It shows september 12 politic section. Why are you denying this? Why are refusing to look at the facts? I mean, all it takes is to say admit it and move in.

What facts did you ask and i did not show them? And I haven't called you any names whatsoever.

Trumpian = see below

There is no doubling or tripling down. On sept 14th there wasnt that article on the front page. Nor was there sept 12 according CNN search tool. You are the one who continues to make this up because you tried to come out swinging playing gotchya, when in fact you didnt slow down and pay attention as to what was being said. If anyone went all in, it was you when you thought you had me. And when I showed you otherwise, you started making stuff and twisting things. My post was sept 14th for all to see. Cnn search is for all to see. Yet you pretend none exist and what you say will be enough to convince whoever, its true

You clearly said there was nothing at all in your first post and that would show how biased CNN is.

Show you? Okay. I think you're too busy making stuff up you forget what you post

This was not a president talking! Rather a cheap preacher who tries to stamp his "mantra" on what he thinks are his followers.

Threatening sovereign nations to destroy them, calling anything Obama made: "the worst..." etc.etc. ... can't be bothered writing more, he is not worth talking about.

No political leader in this world will take Trump serious. They will just say: " Oh let the "rump" do his rumblings, we'll carry on without him"

So that was a made up comment. I provided you with two leaders who showed their support to again prove you wrong.

Political leader #1.

“In over 30 years in my experience with the UN, I never heard a bolder or more courageous speech,” Netanyahu said in a statement after the speech. “President Trump spoke the truth about the great dangers facing our world, and issued a powerful call to confront them in order to ensure the future of humanity.”

Political leader #2.

“We view the speech as portraying a firm and specific stance on the key issues regarding keeping peace and safety that the international community and the United Nations are faced with,”the office of South Korean President Moon Jae In said in a statement on Wednesday.

So now he chooses to lie and make things up because it would make him look bad?

Certainly not a made up comment, that post is saying nobody will take him serious. Because Moon shows support for his UN speech, does it imperatively mean that he takes Trump serious?

And you are forgetting your post with regards to Moon saying he wants no war on the KP:

But what he is saying and what he is doing is two different things. We see this all the time with leaders of countries. Someone who wants peace, does not fly fighter jets close to NK, ramp up war games etc. Someone who wants peace and to avoid war at all costs, would not participate in these aggressive maneuvers

So which is it? Believe him when it suits you and doubt him when it doesn't suite your argument?


And more misleading stuff from you.

Moons comments after being asked he thought of Trumps comments:

“We view the speech as portraying a firm and specific stance on the key issues regarding keeping peace and safety that the international community and the United Nations are faced with,”the office of South Korean President Moon Jae In said in a statement on Wednesday.

That is nothing but support.

Again, only a fraction of the statement to prove your point but avoid to show the whole truth. Among other words:

"Moon's spokesman pointedly avoided reacting to Trump's "total destruction" line, saying the speech underscored the urgency of dealing with North Korea and that Seoul believed Trump remained committed to peace."


I cast doubt on people who constantly make things up.

I certainly don't make things up.


I dont need to read the statement. Its not an excuse to kill and torture and threaten a population of 130 million people. You seem to think it is for some reason.

You don't need to read the statement, how about reading the history. And nowhere did I say that it is an excuse. You just keep creating your own "alternative facts".

Again, making things up. You can keep doing this if you want and Ill just keep posting the facts.

One more time, read all the facts!!! The US has the military command on the KP during war time. Since only an armistice was signed with NK, the two countries are officially still at war. Only the peace time operational control was handed to SK a few decades ago.

Three days ago in the news:

"South Korean President Moon Jae-in says his government is increasing efforts to take back wartime operational control of its military.
Wartime operational control, known as OPCON, describes the U.S.-led command of South Korean military forces in time of war."

And read up maybe on why the armistice was not transformed into a permanent peace deal, especially about the intended but never included paragraph, staunchly rejected by the US - Paragraph 60, Article 4 of the Korean Armistice Agreement. Hint: The US did not want a peace deal on the KP to happen and walked out of the political conference.

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Answer in red.

Trumpian examples, quoting your statements:

1. Trump speech: "many many showed support", "That is nothing but support."

- From 193 countries in the UN, only two, (actually three, Japan is the third) showed support and you call it "many, many" and "nothing but support". --> Making things bigger as they are. Very Trumpian

2. Post above regarding US-SK treaty: "Again, making things up. You can keep doing this if you want and Ill just keep posting the facts."

- Trying to discredit other posters including me when you clearly have not read all the facts and post the "Mutual Defense Treaty" which was never meant to and never has regulated the military command on the KP and as to who bears the cost of the US military presence in SK. Very Trumpian

3. From post above: "I ask you for facts, you never post them. You resort to name calling and wild opinion."

- I posted all facts pertaining to my arguments, never resorted to name calling nor do I have a wild opinion, yet you try all the time to push me into that corner, which so far you have failed badly. Very Trumpian.

4. From post above: "I dont need to read the statement. Its not an excuse to kill and torture and threaten a population of 130 million people. You seem to think it is for some reason."

- Insinuating that I agree to threaten 130mio people. Refusing to read the factual history and creating your own "alternative facts". Very Trumpian

5. Repeatedly using Trump phrases and even writing them in capital letters like Trump, e.g. SAD! Very Trumpian.

More examples on request!

 

[Steviedoo]

I guess you have a long journey ahead if you can't handle Trump's style by now, after all he announced June of 215. Consider that maybe, just maybe, Trump won in part because many American's became fed up with the far left jamming the PC culture down their throats at every turn. It's push back.

As far as the travel ban goes, absolutely, if any group becomes a national security problem. You call it racism. I call it risk management.

As far as Trump insults go. You know sticks and stones and all that.

I saw the tweet on the news. I also saw the PR Mayor on CCN. I'm not going to pile on the PR people, the PR Mayor, the PR leaders, First Responders, Fema or Trump or even CNN. I can say Trump/Fema sent 4500 people to PR before the storm and my guess is that tweet was due to some feedback from one of them on site that became frustrated.

I don't have twitter. I don't follow twitter. I don't like twitter. I only see the Trump posts aired on TV news. I see the bad ones and the good ones.

Could it be that you only focus on the tweets that fit your leftist narrative? A quick 1 minute visit to Trump's Twitter account reveals some positive tweets as well.

Results of recovery efforts will speak much louder than complaints by San Juan Mayor. Doing everything we can to help great people of PR

We must all be united in offering assistance to everyone suffering in Puerto Rico and elsewhere in the wake of this terrible disaster.

The military and first responders, despite no electric, roads, phones etc., have done an amazing job. Puerto Rico was totally destroyed.

Congresswoman Jennifer Gonzalez-Colon of Puerto Rico has been wonderful to deal with and a great representative of the people. Thank you.

I will be in PR on Tues. to further ensure we continue doing everything possible to assist & support the people in their time of great need.

Are you aware that 1/3 of the wall has been built in the past by various presidents starting in 1994? The wall is not racist or a new issue, the issue goes back years. Did you know the US/Mexico border is world's busiest border? That's the world. What do you think the volume is of bad stuff that is happening as a result?

Have you ever even looked in the US southern border in detail? Do I really have to post a bunch of videos?

Could your post be more condescending and patronizing. Or did you lose a few iq points like some other poster on here declared after reading my posts.

Before you jump up and down to try and educate me....Go read my sentence on the wall. And everything else in my post. I don't disagree with it. I disagree with how he brought it up and it became racist issue. Cuz he made it so.

He played golf today. Sorry. Not showing a lot of compassion. Or even some respect. Didn't say he hasn't responded to crisis... Where are his people to stop him from being at a golf tournament out of respect. These things do not make him look good. This is what I disagree with.

As for my leftist narrative...I am somewhere in the middle ...and besides the only narratives I follow or have are the ones that I have in my plays and screenplays....

I follow mr trump on twitter. I also follow Kelly Anne and press sec. so I get the good the bad the ugly...yes I also got that tweet where he swings a golf club and hits Clinton in the back.....classy and very presidential. He is the president of the USA I expect a little more. Again if you read my post no where did I say he didn't respond to crisis....


As you were

 

[weesie]

The whole issue was about to fade into obscurity until Trump blurted again.

So did your media cover the Melania book donation and the librarian wrote back sighting Dr Seuss is Racist now?

“Another fact that many people are unaware of is that Dr. Seuss’s illustrations are steeped in racist propaganda, caricatures, and harmful stereotypes,” Soeiro wrote, giving examples of "If I Ran a Zoo" and "And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street" as clear “racist mockery” in Seuss’ art.





Trump was never anti-immigration, he's anti-illegal immigration. There is a difference. It's doubtful Trump will be able to unite the country, he does not have the verbal skills or temperament.

The left sees racism in everything. I posted a perfect example above, about the librarian sending the books back saying Dr. Seuss was racist when in fact she herself was dressed in a Dr. Seuss costume in 2015.

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Yes, this woman was out for her minute of fame, in my opinion,

A picture with her loving Dr. Seuss, wearing the clothes even,, and then her selfie with her "attitude" showing. I am willing to bet
it is because they, the books, were from Mrs. Trump and for no other reason.



What a pantload!

 

[Harry_BKK]

Yes, this woman was out for her minute of fame, in my opinion,

A picture with her loving Dr. Seuss, wearing the clothes even,, and then her selfie with her "attitude" showing. I am willing to bet
it is because they, the books, were from Mrs. Trump and for no other reason.

What a pantload!

Have to agree with you and slotplayer on this. Apparently, books from the same author were sent to schools by previous presidents/first ladies as well. Now suddenly she couldn't accept them. Makes one certainly think that she had an agenda.

I made the effort to read one of them online when this story came out, couldn't see anything particular racist. But then, today's society seems to be reacting to the smallest thing. Got a good example from Germany.

For a century, they had a pastry called "Mohrenkopf" - translated straight into English "head of a black person", the French actually were the first to serve it in the 19th century and called it "tete de negre" and the Germans translated it word for word. There have been some hugely heated debates in the past decade and today the name has changed to "Schokokuss" and other variants. To be honest, I never thought of it being racist, maybe I was just too ignorant or rather I never assimilated the pastry with a black person, for me it was chocolate cover.

This race card is being played far too often for the wrong reasons. And although the name is certainly not very cordial, the debates around it were just hilarious. One side, "we are losing our heritage", the other side "no more discrimination".

I am called here in Asia either "Ang Moh" by the Chinese or "Farang" by Thais, both expressions used for Western white people, mostly in not so subtle ways. Do I feel insulted? No way. The Thais even distinguish with calling Western people of color "Farang Dam".

 

[slotplayer]

Ha ha. Your hypocrisy is amazing in pursuit of backing up "pragmatist" Lockinlove. Why did you not pull her up for as near as damn it calling a forum poster an idiot?
Believe me my post was very restrained considering how selective she was in arriving at that conclusion

I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at. Is she American? I thought she was Canadian. However, she can easily defend herself.

To be honest I can barely keep up with reading/responding with my posts let alone follow Her and Harry's debate. (no offense to them intended)

I just happen to see the part where you were insulting America and Americans and politely asked you to stop.

This isn't an equal justice thing is it? She can hurl insults, but I can't. You don't single her out but you single me out, is that what you're getting at?

 

[goatwack]

Just waiting for the inevitable speech dissection where someone somewhere will find fault with Trump's address.

Oh there it is, just after he finished Sky News : "He talked about faith but nothing about gun control". Wow.

 

[geordiecolin]

I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at. Is she American? I thought she was Canadian. However, she can easily defend herself.

To be honest I can barely keep up with reading/responding with my posts let alone follow Her and Harry's debate. (no offense to them intended)

I just happen to see the part where you were insulting America and Americans and politely asked you to stop.

This isn't an equal justice thing is it? She can hurl insults, but I can't. You don't single her out but you single me out, is that what you're getting at?

To be fair I got the wrong end of the stick with what "insult" you where referring too because I thought it was a given that the USA and American's held the view that they had a self entitled right to be the Worlds policeman. I should have included the word "many"when referring to the average American.
Given that you referred recently to Lockinlove being a pragmatist I assumed you where taking issue with me responding to her very insulting and baseless post.
I apologise .

 

[slotplayer]

To be fair I got the wrong end of the stick with what "insult" you where referring too because I thought it was a given that the USA and American's held the view that they had a self entitled right to be the Worlds policeman. I should have included the word "many"when referring to the average American.
Given that you referred recently to Lockinlove being a pragmatist I assumed you where taking issue with me responding to her very insulting and baseless post.
I apologise .

I don't think average Americans thinks that. Americans wants the US government to put its people first. Hence "America First".

Is it a self-entitled right or is it that the world sits back on their hands and waits for America to lead? Any civilized country in the world can take lead on any issue anytime they want. It could also be that since America has the largest economy and resources it automatically gets the policeman job role.

I don't know which post of Lock's it was. I put the post number in so the person does not have to scroll through pages looking for it.

 

[geordiecolin]

I don't think average Americans thinks that. Americans wants the US government to put its people first. Hence "America First".

Is it a self-entitled right or is it that the world sits back on their hands and waits for America to lead? Any civilized country in the world can take lead on any issue anytime they want. It could also be that since America has the largest economy and resources it automatically gets the policeman job role.

I don't know which post of Lock's it was. I put the post number in so the person does not have to scroll through pages looking for it.

But you did not post the posts number or make clear what you where referring too!
Lets let the issue slide now,eh?
I think that the tide is turning as far as America's perceived roll in the world goes. That may include the attitude of the average American,but I am not in a position to make fair comment on that.
World wide there are emerging economies and some distrust and defiance of America. We also have distrust of America due to the recent middle east issues and their motivations in going to war.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Just waiting for the inevitable speech dissection where someone somewhere will find fault with Trump's address.

Oh there it is, just after he finished Sky News : "He talked about faith but nothing about gun control". Wow.

LOL Goatie.... my first thought was that Trump finally got the distraction for his opponents and critics he has been trying to find all along, e.g. from the Puerto Rico reaction hype, NFL kneeling blunder and Russia investigation, etc.

Before anyone starts, in no way am I belittling the LV atrocity.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Trump planning to "decertify" the Iran deal although even his team is confirming that Iran is in compliance.

All these actions lead me to believe that Trump decided to run for president for two reasons:

1. Undo everything that was introduced and achieved during the Obama administration
Obama made jokes about him during the 2011 WH press dinner and that moment he decided that one day he will pay it back. And to this day he has done nothing else than undo the Obama achievements and all via EO.

2. Do the tax reform so he avoids the "death tax" (could save him and his family up to $4 billion)
He is advancing in age and needs to take care that this tax will not have to be paid by his kids.

If anything describes how Trump and his family operate then it is in this article

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In short:

- Since 2010: "Manhattan District Attorney’s office had been building a criminal case against them (Ivanka and Donald Jr.) for misleading prospective buyers of units in the Trump SoHo" project (it wasn't even in Soho) - basically they were lying as to how successfully the project was, saying 60% are sold when only 15% were indeed and other things.
- 2012: Trump calls Kasowitz to the defense team, Kasowitz makes a "$25K donation to the reelection campaign of Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr."
- May 2012: The donation is returned, described by Vance as "standard practice when a donor has a case before his office"
- May 2012: Kazowitz meets with Vance and the case is dropped
- December 2012: Kasowitz makes a new donation of $50,000, Vance keeps the donation

Kasowitz boasting about his achievement, quote: He said that the case was “really dangerous,” one person said, and that it was “amazing I got them off.” (of course Kasowitz denied making such a statement.)

Got the picture? This is Trump's wonderful "deal making".

And today he is saying: "Iran has not lived up to the spirit of the deal."

 

[slotplayer]

 

[lockinlove]

To be fair I got the wrong end of the stick with what "insult" you where referring too because I thought it was a given that the USA and American's held the view that they had a self entitled right to be the Worlds policeman. I should have included the word "many"when referring to the average American.
Given that you referred recently to Lockinlove being a pragmatist I assumed you where taking issue with me responding to her very insulting and baseless post.
I apologise .

You whinge about people talking behind your back, yet you carry it on yourself. Try to have a goal today. Being less of a hypocrite.

To be honest I can barely keep up with reading/responding with my posts let alone follow Her and Harry's debate. (no offense to them intended)

None taken. I myself have stopped reading a good portion of the posts/responses. I have better things to do than read drivel

 

[slotplayer]

yup, I'm back with yet another video. Nothing like a good rant.

 

[Harry_BKK]

"I think I have a little bit of a different attitude on North Korea than other people might have. And I listen to everybody, but ultimately, my attitude is the one that matters, isn't it?" Trump said. "That's the way it works. That's the way the system is."

Does anyone still doubt that one, Mr. T understands how democracy works, two, he is totally deranged and three, he is fit to be a president with nuclear codes at his disposal?

 

[Steviedoo]

"I think I have a little bit of a different attitude on North Korea than other people might have. And I listen to everybody, but ultimately, my attitude is the one that matters, isn't it?" Trump said. "That's the way it works. That's the way the system is."

Does anyone still doubt that one, Mr. T understands how democracy works, two, he is totally deranged and three, he is fit to be a president with nuclear codes at his disposal?

Here is yesterday's little nugget. Honestly I'm no economist but I don't think this is how it works. And if anyone doubts that he said this. There's video. Not out of context. Not fake news. He knows nothing and misleads his base. Just plain out lies or is ignorant or both.


"The country — we took it over and owed over $20 trillion," Trump said in an interview on Fox News, referring to the total national debt, which has hovered near $20 trillion since early 2016.

"As you know, the last eight years, [the federal government] borrowed more than it did in the whole history of our country," Trump said. "So they borrowed more than $10 trillion, right? And yet we picked up $5.2 trillion just in the stock market. Possibly picked up the whole thing in terms of the first nine months, in terms of value."

"So you could say, in one sense, we're really increasing values. And maybe in a sense we're reducing debt. But we're very honored by it," Trump said."

 

[lockinlove]

Been reading around and doing some research on what Trump has accomplished so far. Its pretty impressive although you wont find anything on CNN about it. Only fake Russian claims.

Unemployment is at an all time low for the first time in over 15 years, he created over 1 million jobs by undoing some of obamas regulations, and food stamp use is at the lowest in 7 years

Signed legislation promoting woman entrepreneurship act

Has obtained loans from companies such as ford, foxconn, intel who decided to build in the country instead of Mexico etc

reduced illegal immigration

negotiated deals in order to get their f35's at a cheaper price

Trying to push through one of the biggest tax reduction plans ever that doesnt just favor the rich

Withdrew from the TPP in order to keep jobs there

implemented various tasks forces to reduce crime

has the DOJ and crime units to cut down on gang related crimes such as MS13

fixing the veterans affairs

he donates his presidential salary to various causes.

reduced the white house payroll saving taxpayers.

he is trying to approve a 4.6 billion dollar loan for puerto rico

the stock market is at all an all time high



Astounding.

Yet all we hear about is some sole governor in puerto rico when they rest of their government is praising Trump.

So far the only negatives I see about Trump et al. Melania wearing bad shoes! Trump is a Russian hack! Hes a racist!


So far id give him an A. I would give him an A+ but he loses that cause some of the dumb shit he says

 

[goatwack]

Been reading around and doing some research on what Trump has accomplished so far. Its pretty impressive although you wont find anything on CNN about it. Only fake Russian claims.

Unemployment is at an all time low for the first time in over 15 years, he created over 1 million jobs by undoing some of obamas regulations, and food stamp use is at the lowest in 7 years

Signed legislation promoting woman entrepreneurship act

Has obtained loans from companies such as ford, foxconn, intel who decided to build in the country instead of Mexico etc

reduced illegal immigration

negotiated deals in order to get their f35's at a cheaper price

Trying to push through one of the biggest tax reduction plans ever that doesnt just favor the rich

Withdrew from the TPP in order to keep jobs there

implemented various tasks forces to reduce crime

has the DOJ and crime units to cut down on gang related crimes such as MS13

fixing the veterans affairs

he donates his presidential salary to various causes.

reduced the white house payroll saving taxpayers.

he is trying to approve a 4.6 billion dollar loan for puerto rico

the stock market is at all an all time high



Astounding.

Yet all we hear about is some sole governor in puerto rico when they rest of their government is praising Trump.

So far the only negatives I see about Trump et al. Melania wearing bad shoes! Trump is a Russian hack! Hes a racist!


So far id give him an A. I would give him an A+ but he loses that cause some of the dumb shit he says

Forget all that. The hair though. Just look at the hair

 

[geordiecolin]

In his younger years he had his fingers in so many pies