President Trump

[goatwack]

Trump's no politician. He's grown a thick hide from years of being a businessman and that's where he gets his bulldozer attitude from, he'll call a spade 'a spade' and doesn't have the time or inclination to appease his detractors.

We're not supposed to like him as long as he gets the job done, even Trump supporters may not like his personality traits, but like his honest approach.

Speaking of time, lest we forget the guy's 70 years old and likely to want to get busy, real fast. Assuming the media and liberal army stop haranguing him every five seconds, it's only fair and right to judge his presidency in four or eight years' time, after which people are entitled to say if he was a success or not

 

[slotplayer]

What about the Syrian refugee that sexually assaulted a Canadian female and his defence was "I didnt know the laws of Canada and that it was not okay to force myself onto them"

What about all the crimes committed in Germany by these dirt bags?

One would think the screams, tears and look of fear were pretty good indications.

 

[slotplayer]

Wow a racist tries to hire a black man into his cabinet. Someone call Ben Carson and tell him hes a racist!!!!

Oh and Trump is the only president to lie eh? Obama will now be known as the only president to never lie

Or wait the 50 foreigners that hes hiring at the Mara Lago club where most workers will see a 1% raise increase in their pay aside from a small few who will see a small decrease

Or his wife who was an immigrant.

That Trump sure is a damn racist!!




So when are you going to tell us what an American did to you to make them hate them this badly. All your anti american rants and comments are beyond ridiculous. And btw what you are doing is being a bigot. You know, the same thing you are accusing Trump of. But keep on painting an entire nation with the same brush.

You seem incredibly ill informed. Americans march into war for nothing?

Please list them in detail so I can respond to your outrageous and ridiculous claims.



lmao come on. Poor South Korea. Those pesky Americans just pushed their way in there. It is HISTORICAL fact that you can find even in the basic of history books that South Korea was looking for an american partnership. So please, please stop.

Even your Iraq comment is absolute ridiculous. Probably one of the most uninformed posts you have ever made to be honest.

Lets list what Saddam was saying about the USA.


The Gulf War, February 1991
"We will chase [Americans] to every corner at all times. No high tower of steel will protect them against the fire of truth."
Saddam Hussein, Baghdad Radio, February 8, 1991

"[America] will not be excluded from the operations and explosions of the Arab and Muslim mujahidin and all the honest strugglers in the world."
Iraq News Agency, January 30, 1991 (State-controlled)

"What remains for Bush and his accomplices in crime is to understand that they are personally responsible for their crime. The Iraqi people will pursue them for this crime, even if they leave office and disappear into oblivion. There is no doubt they will understand what we mean if they know what revenge means to the Arabs."
Baghdad Radio, February 6, 1991 (State-controlled)

"Every Iraqi child, woman, and old man knows how to take revenge...They will avenge the pure blood that has been shed no matter how long it takes.
Baghdad Domestic Service, February 15, 1991 (State-controlled)

Iraq Masses Troops Against Kuwait, October 1994
"Does [America] realize the meaning of every Iraqi becoming a missile that can cross to countries and cities?"
Saddam Hussein, September 29, 1994

"[W]hen peoples reach the verge of collective death, they will be able to spread death to all..."
Al-Jumhuriyah, October 4, 1994 (State-controlled newspaper)

"[O]ur striking arm will reach [America, Britain and Saudi Arabia] before they know what hit them."
Al-Qadisiyah, October 6, 1994 (State-controlled newspaper)

"One chemical weapon fired in a moment of despair could cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands." Al-Quds al-Arabi, October 12, 1994 (State-controlled newspaper)

Release of UNSCOM Report, April 10, 1995
"Although Iraq's options are limited, they exist...Iraq's present state is that of a wounded tiger. Its blow could be painful, even if it is the last blow..."
Al-Quds Al-'Arabi, June 9, 1995 (State-controlled newspaper)

Khobar Towers Bombing, June 25, 1996
"[The U.S.] should send more coffins to Saudi Arabia, because no one can guess what the future has in store."
Saddam Hussein, Iraqi Radio, June 27, 1996

Operation Desert Fox, December 1998
"If [other Arab nations] persist on pursuing their wrongful path, then we should — or rather we must — place the swords of jihad on their necks..."
Saddam Hussein, January 5, 1999

"Oh sons of Arabs and the Arab Gulf, rebel against the foreigner...Take revenge for your dignity, holy places, security, interests and exalted values."
Saddam Hussein, January 5, 1999


"[Saudi Arabian and Kuwaiti] blood will light torches, grow aromatic plants, and water the tree of freedom, resistance and victory."
Saddam Hussein, Iraqi Radio, January 26, 1999

"Whoever continues to be involved in a despicable aggressive war against the people of Iraq as a subservient party must realize that this aggressive act has a dear price."
Saddam Hussein, February 16, 1999

"What is required now is to deal strong blows to U.S. and British interests. These blows should be strong enough to make them feel that their interests are indeed threatened not only by words but also in deeds."
Al-Qadisiyah, February 27, 1999 (State-controlled newspaper)

U.S.S. Cole Bombing, October 12, 2000
"[Iraqis] should intensify struggle and jihad in all fields and by all means..."
Iraq TV, October 22, 2000 (State-controlled)

The Attacks of September 11
"The United States reaps the thorns its rulers have planted in the world."
Saddam Hussein, September 12, 2001

"The real perpetrators [of September 11] are within the collapsed buildings."
Alif-Ba, September 11, 2002 (State-controlled newspaper)

"[September 11 was] God's punishment."
Al-Iktisadi, September 11, 2002 (State-controlled newspaper)

"If the attacks of September 11 cost the lives of 3,000 civilians, how much will the size of losses in 50 states within 100 cities if it were attacked in the same way in which New York and Washington were? What would happen if hundreds of planes attacked American cities?"
Al-Rafidayn, September 11, 2002 (State-controlled newspaper)

"The simple truth [about September 11] is that America burned itself and now tries to burn the world."
Alif-Ba, September 11, 2002 (State-controlled magazine)

"t is possible to turn to biological attack, where a small can, not bigger than the size of a hand, can be used to release viruses that affect everything..."


Wait let me guess. Its okay for Saddam to speak like this, threaten chemical warfare, call for innocent american citizens to be killed when given the chance because americans are...well just evil trouble makers!

Saddam threatened and bluffed the USA for years stating he had WMD. He desrved everything he got if he wanted to play that game.



Oh you mean like the liberal media?

Semantics! Perception! Misjudgment! This is called being human.



Except this happened when he was not the president. So yeah we are talking about Trump the businessman here so your argument is moot.
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You do realize Trump employs thousands of people right? You do realize him staying afloat is important in employing these people right? If Trump went bankrupt you know who suffers? His employees. He has created 34,000 jobs.



Has created 34,000 jobs. WOW!

So now the economy is Trumps fault?



yeah Obama and his sound decisions. We sure loved benghazi, syria giving Iran 1,7 billion dollars in cash, the largest terrorist supporting country in the world. And yes those are facts that have been cross referenced and proven by over 12 intelligence agencies all over the world.

The only administration that was stupid, was the Obama administration.



Im sorry but what?



He's like a really good friend of mine. What a YUGE play. It was bigly!



How dare you post actual fact in here!!! I was under the assumption its mud throwing to see what would stick.

You're one of the few if the only one in this forum that actually knows anything about the US.

I'm from Boston, I look up to Tom Brady.

 

[slotplayer]

Wow, are you kidding me? You called tax "suck it up" to defend Trump?

What do you think happen if nobody pay tax?

There is going to be no road, there is going to be no police to protect people, CIA, FBI will be closed because they don't have any fund which means all the terrorists can walk freely on the street of USA, military will be closed since they don't have money to run and there is going to be nothing to defend USA.

You want him to financially secure to hire all the people? Are you serious? Trump can pay tax if he use some of the money he spent for all the luxury things, he doesn't need to reduce the number of employees to pay tax.

Stop looking at it as socially or economically unjust. That's indoctrination.

The US tax code is non-partisan, it applies to everyone that is eligible irregardless of political persuasion.

There are no roads now, 70% of the roads, bridges and waterways are failing. When Trump says "America First", fixing this stuff is what he means. I've been saying it for years.

 

[slotplayer]

Trump's no politician. He's grown a thick hide from years of being a businessman and that's where he gets his bulldozer attitude from, he'll call a spade 'a spade' and doesn't have the time or inclination to appease his detractors.

We're not supposed to like him as long as he gets the job done, even Trump supporters may not like his personality traits, but like his honest approach.

Speaking of time, lest we forget the guy's 70 years old and likely to want to get busy, real fast. Assuming the media and liberal army stop haranguing him every five seconds, it's only fair and right to judge his presidency in four or eight years' time, after which people are entitled to say if he was a success or not

Finally a pragmatic assessment. Trump supports don't support Trump, we see what everyone else sees, but were not deal breakers for us. We support his policies. Nothing more. He just happened to be the vehicle.

 

[slotplayer]

lol I was mocking Trump. Have you ever seen him about Brady. Hes hilarious and think hes the coolest ever for being pals with him.

"I like Brady, hes like my friend. ok. ok. Great man. Great great player. YUGE."

My nephews best friend works for Tom Brady. The kid used to work for Wes Welker before that.

Every Wed the NE Patriots have a tele press conference, some reporter asked if he called Trump, he did not want to answer it. It was so funny.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Wow a racist tries to hire a black man into his cabinet. Someone call Ben Carson and tell him hes a racist!!!!

Oh and Trump is the only president to lie eh? Obama will now be known as the only president to never lie

Or wait the 50 foreigners that hes hiring at the Mara Lago club where most workers will see a 1% raise increase in their pay aside from a small few who will see a small decrease

Or his wife who was an immigrant.

That Trump sure is a damn racist!!

Wow, 1 black man in a whole cabinet....i am truly astounded!

Wow, 1% pay increase....i am truly astounded!

So when are you going to tell us what an American did to you to make them hate them this badly. All your anti american rants and comments are beyond ridiculous. And btw what you are doing is being a bigot. You know, the same thing you are accusing Trump of. But keep on painting an entire nation with the same brush.

You seem incredibly ill informed. Americans march into war for nothing?


Please list them in detail so I can respond to your outrageous and ridiculous claims.

I don't hate anyone on this or all other planets in this universe.

Why should I be a bigot? I merely objected to wrong facts/information that were posted in this thread!

One example for wrong information:

Bin Laden created havoc in the Middle East.

Stop blaming America.

Everyone knows that Bin Laden and the Taliban were an US ally in the 80's yet strongly disapproved of the US presence in Saudi-Arabia. That and the fact that the US turned against its former allies made him an even bigger fanatic that he already was. Why the US decided to stay for years in a country that is "sacred" land to Muslims is not understandable and only amplified the situation.

Now here is the parallel case. What did the US do when the Soviets decided to station soldiers and rockets on Cuba, very close to the US homeland??? Did they like it? Did they welcome the Russians? No, they intervened strongly bringing the world close to WWIII.

You are the bigot in all this discussion, trying to trash and discredit anyone posting a critical voice, by claiming we are all stupid and don't know anything but you are the superinformed one who has it all!

And yes, the US has marched into a few countries for no reason. Historical facts don't lie.

lmao come on. Poor South Korea. Those pesky Americans just pushed their way in there. It is HISTORICAL fact that you can find even in the basic of history books that South Korea was looking for an american partnership. So please, please stop.

South Korea never asked nor wanted assistance. It was purely Truman's decision. Below an excerpt from Wikipedia, i can quote you some history books, that I have read, as well. If you think you have better information then feel free to change the text on Wikipedia.

Even your Iraq comment is absolute ridiculous. Probably one of the most uninformed posts you have ever made to be honest.

Lets list what Saddam was saying about the USA.


The Gulf War, February 1991
"We will chase [Americans] to every corner at all times. No high tower of steel will protect them against the fire of truth."
Saddam Hussein, Baghdad Radio, February 8, 1991


Wait let me guess. Its okay for Saddam to speak like this, threaten chemical warfare, call for innocent american citizens to be killed when given the chance because americans are...well just evil trouble makers!

Saddam threatened and bluffed the USA for years stating he had WMD. He desrved everything he got if he wanted to play that game.

Iraq - Powell himself admitted years later that there were no WMD and they knew it. Again historical facts don't lie. Hence, the Iraq invasion by the US was based on a big lie.


And your list over more than a decade perfectly shows that Saddam's threats were empty words or why do you think he would do it for so long without actually getting into action. There was no imminent threat coming from Iraq whatsoever that justified a full invasion which ended yet again in a total disaster.

Has created 34,000 jobs. WOW!

So now the economy is Trumps fault?

And how many jobs did he destroy by not paying his suppliers, companies he closed down or led intentionally into bankruptcy or even having most of the inventory for his buildings/golf clubs etc. coming from China and other countries....list not complete??? Oh, yes I forgot...he is all about "America first" or better "Trump first".

Always two sides to a medal.

yeah Obama and his sound decisions. We sure loved benghazi, syria giving Iran 1,7 billion dollars in cash, the largest terrorist supporting country in the world. And yes those are facts that have been cross referenced and proven by over 12 intelligence agencies all over the world.

The only administration that was stupid, was the Obama administration.

Stupid for what: that they got 20Mio Americans insured, they agreed to reduce nuclear warheads to just 1,550/country (US/Russia, NewSTART), they made a solid agreement with Iran to reduce the tensions in the region....list not complete.

By the way --> by financial contributions the US closest ally in the region, Saudi-Arabia, is the largest terrorist supporting country! That is a fact! ...Hmmm, makes one wonder why the US keep them as an ally but claiming they are so "determined" on the war against terror!

By the way2 --> Trump did not have a clue what NewSTART is when he talked to Putin about it other than saying it was "a bad deal". Just hilarious, a head of state does not inform himself about the issues he will be discussing with his counterpart. Continuing like that will make sure he's becoming the biggest laughingstock in the world


Get first your facts right before trying to discredit other forum members!

 

[vorcirion]

I think everyone should watch this. This is from a US Marine about all the Trump drama, who is on the ground. Its a very surreal view.



So you bomb their country...shoot their civilians:

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and you expect a parade for americans?
And how many americans have been kidnapped/tortured/killed etc by those civilians? I understand the feelings toward americans for sure but give me facts.

Iran deal in my opinion is a good step toward improving relations over time. And preventing them getting nukes of course. But since you people oppose the Iran deal then give me a better solution. How would you deal with the situation? Slap sanctions back and let them do whatever they want. And if they make nukes...you bomb them right? So nothing will change. Or give me an alternative how things would go if you had your way.

 

[lockinlove]

Wow, 1 black man in a whole cabinet....i am truly astounded!

Wow, 1% pay increase....i am truly astounded!

Ahhh the good ol Harry blurring out facts for his own sake. Its getting old. ;p

Even if its just one, would a racist do that? Exactly.

Would a racist hire foreigners and pay them properly? No.

Would a racist marry an immigrant? No.

Would a racist have an african american as a vice president in one of his foundations? Dont be thinking so !

But keep on banging that drum.

I don't hate anyone on this or all other planets in this universe.

Why should I be a bigot? I merely objected to wrong facts/information that were posted in this thread!

One example for wrong information:




You are the bigot in all this discussion, trying to trash and discredit anyone posting a critical voice, by claiming we are all stupid and don't know anything but you are the superinformed one who has it all!

How arent you a bigot. How many times have I caught you making anti american comments generalizing the entire population.

Now lets not be dramatic here. Trying to trash? I came in here to read over whats being said and all I see is your excessive use of eyeroll emoticons, over use of exclamation marks, massive exaggerations and mocking tone. So yes I gave you a taste of your own medicine. Thats not being a bigot.

And yes, the US has marched into a few countries for no reason. Historical facts don't lie.




South Korea never asked nor wanted assistance. It was purely Truman's decision. Below an excerpt from Wikipedia, i can quote you some history books, that I have read, as well. If you think you have better information then feel free to change the text on Wikipedia.

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Sadly you are completely wrong. You can pick little excepts all you want. We were taught this in school for godsakes. Its all over every history website, all over wikipedia I mean its very common knowledge.

They have had an alliance since the early 50's and called it the alliance of blood. So yeah ok the americans forced this on South Korea.....you serious?

Now surely South Korea having one of the most favorable opinions of america in the entire world didnt come from the americans pushing their ways and agenda on them.

Iraq - Powell himself admitted years later that there were no WMD and they knew it. Again historical facts don't lie. Hence, the Iraq invasion by the US was based on a big lie.


And your list over more than a decade perfectly shows that Saddam's threats were empty words or why do you think he would do it for so long without actually getting into action. There was no imminent threat coming from Iraq whatsoever that justified a full invasion which ended yet again in a total disaster.

Again, another false comment. Powell wrote in his book he was being fed bad data and was clearly upset that no one stood up and told him this. Words right from his own book

Hussein" government and toppled the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.

The retired general also faulted U.S. intelligence officers for lacking the "courage" to alert him that he was receiving bad data on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction ahead of his U.N. appearance.

"Why did no one stand up and speak out during the intense hours we worked on the speech?” the ex-secretary said. “Some of these same analysts later wrote books claiming they were shocked that I have relied on such deeply flawed evidence."

Powell said he relied on the CIA to help develop his U.N. presentation but that he was not aware at the time that "much of the evidence was wrong"

Saddam used Empty words? You mean the same empty words he used against the Kurds. Please see Halabja chemical attack for reference.

And how many jobs did he destroy by not paying his suppliers, companies he closed down or led intentionally into bankruptcy or even having most of the inventory for his buildings/golf clubs etc. coming from China and other countries....list not complete??? Oh, yes I forgot...he is all about "America first" or better "Trump first".

Ahh some more eyerolls and mocking tone!

Now we talk about intentional bankruptcy? Really? Looks to me after being fact checked, he was in debt and had little choice.

FACT CHECKER

Trump’s companies have filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, which means a company can remain in business while wiping away many of its debts. The bankruptcy court ultimately approves a corporate budget and a plan to repay remaining debts; often shareholders lose much of their equity.

Trump’s Taj Mahal opened in April 1990 in Atlantic City, but six months later, “defaulted on interest payments to bondholders as his finances went into a tailspin,” The Washington Post’s Robert O’Harrow found. In July 1991, Trump’s Taj Mahal filed for bankruptcy. He could not keep up with debts on two other Atlantic City casinos, and those two properties declared bankruptcy in 1992. A fourth property, the Plaza Hotel in New York, declared bankruptcy in 1992 after amassing debt.

PolitiFact uncovered two more bankruptcies filed after 1992, totaling six. Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts filed for bankruptcy again in 2004, after accruing about $1.8 billion in debt. Trump Entertainment Resorts also declared bankruptcy in 2009, after being hit hard during the 2008 recession.

Now lets talk about your claim about why doesnt he buy golf clubs etc in America. Do you know how many companies still do that? Ill leave this link here for you to read though one of the most popular golf forums

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You do realize part of Trump campaign was about bringing these companies back to america right?

Always two sides to a medal.

Stupid for what: that they got 20Mio Americans insured, they agreed to reduce nuclear warheads to just 1,550/country (US/Russia, NewSTART), they made a solid agreement with Iran to reduce the tensions in the region....list not complete.

By the way --> by financial contributions the US closest ally in the region, Saudi-Arabia, is the largest terrorist supporting country! That is a fact! ...Hmmm, makes one wonder why the US keep them as an ally but claiming they are so "determined" on the war against terror!

By the way2 --> Trump did not have a clue what NewSTART is when he talked to Putin about it other than saying it was "a bad deal". Just hilarious, a head of state does not inform himself about the issues he will be discussing with his counterpart. Continuing like that will make sure he's becoming the biggest laughingstock in the world

A huge poll was conducted by rear clear politics where the results showed over half of americans oppose it. A May gallup Poll showed that 24% said obamacare has hurt their families while only 10% said it helped them

● “Health care inflation overall has continued to be at some of the lowest levels in 50 years.”

The costs to Americans for health insurance in the new ObamaCare era are soaring across the country. The latest numbers for premium increases show the following dismal news for families. In California, approved rate increases going into effect this year are running up an average of about 10%, or five times the rate of inflation (which actually turned negative in the most recent 12 months). In Florida, 33 of 36 approved rate hikes were greater than 10%.

Next year might be even worse. In Ohio, the average rate increase request for 2016 is 17.8% as of June 9, 2015. In Virginia, the AETNA Life Insurance Company small group plan proposed an increase of 59.71%. In Texas, more than half of the rate hike request are greater than 20%. In Illinois, the popular Blue Cross Blue Shield Preferred Individual plan wants a 38% rate hike. Numerous other plans costs will rise by 50%.

Really great system!! Thats from a Forbes article after they did an extensive investigation into ObamaCare

Get first your facts right before trying to discredit other forum members!

Hmmm me no thinky so.

 

[lockinlove]

So you bomb their country...shoot their civilians:

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and you expect a parade for americans?
And how many americans have been kidnapped/tortured/killed etc by those civilians? I understand the feelings toward americans for sure but give me facts.

Iran deal in my opinion is a good step toward improving relations over time. And preventing them getting nukes of course. But since you people oppose the Iran deal then give me a better solution. How would you deal with the situation? Slap sanctions back and let them do whatever they want. And if they make nukes...you bomb them right? So nothing will change. Or give me an alternative how things would go if you had your way.

yes how dare Americans attack Isis. They are such peace loving people

3 american contractors were rescued last month after being kidnapped

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Here's some other notables.

Nicholas Evan Berg, a businessman, went missing on 9 April 2004. His widely publicized beheading was shown in a video on 11 May 2004. His body had been found the day before.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi personally beheaded Berg.[28]

Owen Eugene "Jack" Armstrong and Jack Hensley, two contractors for the construction firm Gulf Supplies Commercial Services of the United Arab Emirates,[29] were kidnapped along with a Briton named Kenneth

John Bigley on September 16, 2004. Armstrong was beheaded[30] on 20 September 2004.[31] Abu Musab al-Zarqawi personally beheaded Armstrong.[32] The following day, the group beheaded Hensley, and threatened to kill Bigley, unless the United States met their demands to free all women prisoners in Iraqi jails.[29] Bigley was beheaded in October 2004.[30]

Ronald Alan Schulz, an electrician, was reported kidnapped on 6 December 2005. On 19 December 2005, the Islamic Army released a video showing Schulz's killing in which he is shot in the head after the U.S. refused to release all Iraqi prisoners. His remains were found in September 2008 and confirmed to be Schulz's the next month.[33]

Thomas William Fox, an aid worker working for Christian Peacemaker Teams, was reported kidnapped on November 27, 2005, along with two Canadians and a Briton. Their Iraqi driver and Iraqi translator were not taken.[1] His body was found in a rubbish heap on 10 March 2006 (see 2005-2006 Christian Peacemaker hostage crisis).

John Roy Young, Joshua Mark "Josh" Munns, Paul Christopher Johnson-Reuben and Jonathon Michael "Jon" Cote, four security contractors, were kidnapped with an Austrian named Bert Nussbaumer on November 16, 2006. They appeared in two hostage videos released in December 2006 and January 2007. The kidnapped contractors stated in their video that they would not be released until the following demands had been made; the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq and the release of all Iraqi prisoners in exchange for the hostages's release. Four fingers were sent to U.S. authorities in February 2008. The fingers belonged to Munns, Reuben, Cote and Nussbaumer. The bodies of Young, Nussbaumer, Munns and Reuben were recovered in March 2008. Cote's body was recovered in April 2008.

Ronald Joe Withrow, a contractor, was kidnapped along with his translator and driver on 5 January 2007. The translator and driver were found dead the next day. One of Withrow's fingers was sent to U.S. authorities in February 2008. His body was recovered in March 2008.[36]

Steven Charles Vincent, a journalist, was kidnapped along with his Iraqi translator, Nouriya Itais Wadi, in Basra on 2 August 2005. They were bound, gagged, taken to an undisclosed location where for five hours they were beaten and interrogated, then taken to the outskirts of town and shot. They were found by British and Iraqi policemen but Vincent was dead, shot in the back at close range. Wadi survived despite having been shot three times.


Jill Carroll, a freelance reporter for the Boston-based Christian Science Monitor, was kidnapped in West Baghdad on January 7, 2006, by unknown gunmen. Her Iraqi translator was killed during the abduction. Her Iraqi driver escaped. Her kidnappers demanded the release of all female Iraqi prisoners. She was shown in four videos during her captivity. She was released on March 30, 2006.

Micah Garen, a freelance reporter, was kidnapped along with his Iraqi translator, Amir Doushi, on August 13, 2004, near Nasiriyah. They were freed on August 22, 2004.[7]

Roy Hallums, an employee of a Saudi trading company, was seized along with Roberto Tarangoy, Inus Dewari and three Iraqi security guards on November 1, 2004, in Baghdad. The three Iraqi security guards were later released. Dewari was released on November 10, 2004. Hallums was shown in a video aired on January 25, 2005. Tarongoy was released on June 22, 2005. On September 7, 2005, Hallums was freed in an operation conducted by Delta Force.

Thomas Hamill, a truck driver, was seized in a deadly convoy attack on April 9, 2004 (see 2004 Iraq KBR Convoy Ambush). He was later shown in a video, but escaped on May 1, 2004.[37]

Issa T. Salomi, a civilian contractor, was kidnapped by a Shiite militia group on January 23, 2010, and shown in a video in February 2010. His kidnappers demanded the release of Iraqi prisoners, the withdrawal of all foreign troops from Iraq, the prosecution of security contractors employed by Blackwater Worldwide and compensation to Iraqi families. He was released on March 25, 2010 in exchange for the release of four Iraqi prisoners.

Paul Taggart, a freelance photographer, was kidnapped on October 10, 2004. He was released on October 12, 2004.

Kirk von Ackermann, disappeared on October 9, 2003 after leaving a meeting at FOB Pacesetter. His vehicle was found abandoned later that same day. He is presumed dead.

Timothy Edward Bell, a contractor for Halliburton, went missing on April 9, 2004. He was never seen in a hostage video and was declared legally dead in 2010.

Aban Elias, an Iraqi-American engineer from Denver, was shown being held hostage in a video on May 3, 2004. He has not been seen or heard from since.

Radim Sadeq Mohammed Sadeq, also called "Dean Sadek", a businessman kidnapped on November 2, 2004, in Baghdad. He was shown in a video that month and in another video dated Christmas Eve but released in late January on NBC. He has not been seen or heard from since. His kidnappers demanded the release of Iraqi prisoners.

Jeffrey Ake, a contractor, was kidnapped on April 11, 2005, and shown in a videotape two days later. He has not been seen or heard from since. His kidnappers demanded $2 million in exchange for his release. After three weeks of negotiations, the kidnappers cut off all communication. Ake is presumed dead and his family held a private funeral for him in the summer of 2014.

Kenneth John Bigley, a civil engineer, who was kidnapped September 16, 2004. The two Americans kidnapped with him were beheaded and Bigley was beheaded around October 7.

Jason Swindlehurst, Jason Creswell, Alec Maclachlan and Alan McMenemy, four security contractors, were kidnapped with Peter Moore, a computer consultant, on May 29, 2007. Their captors were Shia militiamen who demanded the withdrawal of British troops from Iraq and release of all Iraqi prisoners in exchange for the hostages's release. Jason, Peter and Alan appeared in videos released in November 2007, February 2008 and July 2008. The captors claimed that Swindlehurst killed himself on May 25, 2008. However, that turned out to be a lie. The bodies of Swindlehurst and Creswell were recovered on June 19, 2009. On July 29, 2009, it was revealed that Maclachlan and McMenemy had also been killed. Maclachlan's body was recovered on September 1, 2009. McMenemy's body was recovered on January 20, 2012.

Kim Sun-il, a translator, was kidnapped on May 30, 2004 by Zarqawi´s group. He was beheaded in a video released June 22, 2004.

Dalibor Lazarevski, Dragan Marković, and Zoran Naskovski, were kidnapped August 21, 2004, near Baghdad. They worked for Soufan Engineering, which caters to the needs of the US military and its private contractors. On October 22, 2004, the Macedonian government confirmed the three had been killed.

Shosei Koda, a tourist, was confirmed beheaded on October 30, 2004. He had been kidnapped on October 26, 2004 by Zarqawi's group.
Akihiko Saito, a security contractor, was kidnapped after a convoy attack and reported killed on May 28, 2005.

Fabrizio Quattrocchi, a security guard captured with three others, was reported killed in a video released on April 14, 2004.
Enzo Baldoni, a reporter taken hostage in August and shown being killed in a video released on August 26, 2004. His Iraqi driver-translator was killed during the abduction.
Salvatore Santoro, a photojournalist, reported kidnapped and killed on December 16, 2004.
Iyad Anwar Wali, an Italian-Iraqi businessman, was reported killed on October 2, 2004.


Margaret Hassan, the director of CARE International -- who held British, Iraqi and Irish citizenship -- was kidnapped in Baghdad on October 19, 2004. Her Iraqi driver and Iraqi unarmed security guard were not taken. She was killed in a video released on November 16, 2004.

 

[incrediblestuff]

We were taught this in school for godsakes.

Not wanting to join in the discussions at all: but this little line made me want to say:

Sadly, not everything we're taught in school is true..talking about indoctrination, media, propaganda, social networking in relation to mass management of humanity, that would be the first point on my agenda to tackle...complete revision of all the major educational systems, free education for all, and zero tolerance for any kind of misinformation..

Near impossible to achieve in the current form of our global society of course, but a guy can dream...

Just a random comment in between..carry on..

 

[vorcirion]

yes how dare Americans attack Isis. They are such peace loving people

attacking Iraq wasn't about Isis. it was about weapons of mass destruction...which were never found. That's when many or even most of the people started thinking that US went there because of oil. And now Trump is saying that you should've kept the oil.

 

[lockinlove]

Not wanting to join in the discussions at all: but this little line made me want to say:

Sadly, not everything we're taught in school is true..talking about indoctrination, media, propaganda, social networking in relation to mass management of humanity, that would be the first point on my agenda to tackle...complete revision of all the major educational systems, free education for all, and zero tolerance for any kind of misinformation..

Near impossible to achieve in the current form of our global society of course, but a guy can dream...

Just a random comment in between..carry on..

Yes I know that was just me saying aside from all the evidence they even taught it to us in history class.

Hence why I added the rest about the factual military treaty they agreed upon and the stats about South Korea's views on Americans. Both which I just checked and are found on wikipedia and I think the very article Harry used.

attacking Iraq wasn't about Isis. it was about weapons of mass destruction...which were never found. That's when many or even most of the people started thinking that US went there because of oil. And now Trump is saying that you should've kept the oil.

Your response was in regards to the video I posted which is the present, Isis etc.

yes most people thought that but Bush left the oil behind so that discredits those assumptions. And is Trump wrong about the oil? Even if the USA didnt take it something should have been done instead it was left there and now Isis has used it as their financial backbone.

Trump's no politician. He's grown a thick hide from years of being a businessman and that's where he gets his bulldozer attitude from, he'll call a spade 'a spade' and doesn't have the time or inclination to appease his detractors.

We're not supposed to like him as long as he gets the job done, even Trump supporters may not like his personality traits, but like his honest approach.

Speaking of time, lest we forget the guy's 70 years old and likely to want to get busy, real fast. Assuming the media and liberal army stop haranguing him every five seconds, it's only fair and right to judge his presidency in four or eight years' time, after which people are entitled to say if he was a success or not

See the thing is, I have grown to despise the media through all of this. They have incited some pretty awful behaviors from the people who dont know how to make decisions by themselves and instead listen to the liberal media to tell them how to think. I think its sad. I think its sad they sway so much of the world. You have people from all corners of the world who hate Trump and their supporters that being said this is starting to change, people are starting to see things. This news outlet like many others are being exposed for their lies, misleading and blatant hiding of facts and policies of other presidents that mirror Trumps.

Look at the front page of the most liberal media in the world. This is every single day. This is a news website. Not a political website. A news. And their mad obsession and bashing trump is almost incredible.

 

[vorcirion]

Your response was in regards to the video I posted which is the present, Isis etc.

yes most people thought that but Bush left the oil behind so that discredits those assumptions. And is Trump wrong about the oil? Even if the USA didnt take it something should have been done instead it was left there and now Isis has used it as their financial backbone.

in the video he talks about Iraq and US has given enough reasons why iraqis should hate americans. Dunno if Isis would even exist if americans didn't start those idiotic wars. I'm all for destroying Isis since that kind of people should be killed.

 

[lockinlove]

in the video he talks about Iraq and US has given enough reasons why iraqis should hate americans. Dunno if Isis would even exist if americans didn't start those idiotic wars. I'm all for destroying Isis since that kind of people should be killed.

Why do you call the Iraq war idiotic?

 

[vorcirion]

Why do you call the Iraq war idiotic?

because about 500k iraqis have died 'cause of it. and the war was based on your intelligence reports which were false. how would you feel if 500k americans were killed for nothing?

 

[Harry_BKK]

"The wiser man gives in!"

In line with this very old and true saying I graciously bow out from this thread because the fools will never understand that more aggression and violence will result in more of the same. Instead they will say "we need more guns"!

 

[lockinlove]

because about 500k iraqis have died 'cause of it. and the war was based on your intelligence reports which were false. how would you feel if 500k americans were killed for nothing?

I do agree about the part of false intelligence reports. That should never have happened.

But in hindsight lets look at it this way.

Should Hussein have remained in power regardless of the WMD claims? My opinion is no and Ill explain my reasoning.

in 1988 the an anfal campaign resulted in 200,000 Kurdish deaths at the hands of Saddam.

In 1990 when he made the decision to invade Kuwait, his reasoning was "once I get something in my head, I act. Thats just the way I am" and this resulted in 1000 Kurd civilians killed.

Now when the USA invaded Iraq the first time it was for many reasons. One of them being the use and stockpile of chemical warfare which included poisonous gas a germ warfare(which they found and was handed over by Suddam in a brokered deal) and secondly driving them out of Kuwait.

He constantly goaded the USA. Seen on many news outlets saying he beat the USA and taught them a lesson. Threatened them with chemical warfare and threats of random murders to any and all americans.

When asked if he had any WMD, he bluffed and said he did. This was to appear strong to the USA, Iran and other countries.

Can you really blame the USA for invading Iraq after all of that? You have a psychopath who has a history of killing people with chemical warfare and then you threaten the USA with it. In all honesty, I have a hard time understanding people who condemn that war. Which is something I disagree about with Trump because he was against it.

And now you have the exact same situation brewing with North Korea's leader. Whats your opinion on that? Hes doing the same thing Hussein did. Goading America, South Korea and other countries. Firing test missiles, threatening to destroy the western world, building nukes. His people are suffering and starving because he would rather use the countries money on the military rather than food for the citizens. Should he just be left alone? Would you condemn America, Britain, Canada, South Korea or Russia...anyone for that matter for invading North Korea?

 

[Webzcas]

Well, lets see how this runs.....


US investigators corroborate some aspects of the Russia dossier

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[andyhinckley]

Seen this earlier.. so how come he allows Saudia and the rest??

They also said that the most recent attacks in the US were carried out by US nationals or citizens from the countries not included in the travel ban:
Fort Lauderdale airport shooting (January 2017): A US citizen
Orlando nightclub shooting (June 2016): A US citizen with Afghan parents
San Bernardino shooting (December 2015): A US citizen with Pakistani parents, and a Pakistani citizen
Chattanooga shootings (July 2015): A Kuwait-born US citizen
Charleston church shooting (June 2015): A US citizen
Boston marathon bombing (April 2013): Two Russian citizens with Chechen ethnicity

While announcing the plan, Mr Trump cited the attacks of 11 September 2001. But none of the 19 hijackers who committed the attacks came from countries included in the suspension. They were from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Egypt and Lebanon.
Some pointed out that the list did not include countries where President Trump had business interests - like Saudi Arabia - a suggestion dismissed by the president's chief of staff as not related.

 

[vorcirion]

I do agree about the part of false intelligence reports. That should never have happened.

But in hindsight lets look at it this way.

Should Hussein have remained in power regardless of the WMD claims? My opinion is no and Ill explain my reasoning.

in 1988 the an anfal campaign resulted in 200,000 Kurdish deaths at the hands of Saddam.

In 1990 when he made the decision to invade Kuwait, his reasoning was "once I get something in my head, I act. Thats just the way I am" and this resulted in 1000 Kurd civilians killed.

Now when the USA invaded Iraq the first time it was for many reasons. One of them being the use and stockpile of chemical warfare which included poisonous gas a germ warfare(which they found and was handed over by Suddam in a brokered deal) and secondly driving them out of Kuwait.

He constantly goaded the USA. Seen on many news outlets saying he beat the USA and taught them a lesson. Threatened them with chemical warfare and threats of random murders to any and all americans.

When asked if he had any WMD, he bluffed and said he did. This was to appear strong to the USA, Iran and other countries.

Can you really blame the USA for invading Iraq after all of that? You have a psychopath who has a history of killing people with chemical warfare and then you threaten the USA with it. In all honesty, I have a hard time understanding people who condemn that war. Which is something I disagree about with Trump because he was against it.

And now you have the exact same situation brewing with North Korea's leader. Whats your opinion on that? Hes doing the same thing Hussein did. Goading America, South Korea and other countries. Firing test missiles, threatening to destroy the western world, building nukes. His people are suffering and starving because he would rather use the countries money on the military rather than food for the citizens. Should he just be left alone? Would you condemn America, Britain, Canada, South Korea or Russia...anyone for that matter for invading North Korea?

Your leaders are doing the same. Rather use money for military instead of people. Especially Trump.
And I'm completely against invading North Korea unless they actually attack someone. Goading isn't the same as actually doing things. He wants to look strong to his people while the rest of the world knows that he wouldn't have a chance against anyone. If they actually attacked someone then their leader should be targeted to avoid as many civilian casualities as possible. But if you're so warhungry guy then you better be there in front lines when US goes to war once again.

 

[lockinlove]

Seen this earlier.. so how come he allows Saudia and the rest??

Because of the amount of business ties between the two countries. If they banned them the american economy would suffer which they cannot afford.

I would like to see America work towards something else other than relying on them. I remember in class we did a project on the students in Saudi Arabia and how they were actually given textbooks to study why and how to hate jews and others. Pretty disturbing.

I dont know why people keep citing the citizenship of the terrorists either. They are on the banned list because they are pro terrorism and have financial ties with terrorist groups where they donate weapons and money to them. It seems like its the left trying to push this argument when it makes absolutely no sense and has been debunked many times over again.

 

[lockinlove]

Your leaders are doing the same. Rather use money for military instead of people. Especially Trump.
And I'm completely against invading North Korea unless they actually attack someone. Goading isn't the same as actually doing things. He wants to look strong to his people while the rest of the world knows that he wouldn't have a chance against anyone. If they actually attacked someone then their leader should be targeted to avoid as many civilian casualities as possible. But if you're so warhungry guy then you better be there in front lines when US goes to war once again.

Our leaders are starving our citizens and threatening to nuke the middle east and preach that every american should kill every muslim they encounter


Ahhh so you would rather wait until 100,000 people are killed? Well isnt that intelligent. Im sorry but if a country wants to threaten murder and weapons of mass destruction on another, you reap what you sow. This isnt a daycare. So North Korea is okay to threaten death upon entire countries but America is wrong for fighting against those threats

And please, lets stop with the dramatic assumptions I want millions of people killed.

 

[lockinlove]

Anyone who is interested in politics or world events, I suggest watching this interview. Its the first time that a North American has been able to interview Bashar Al-Assad in such detail. I found it incredibly interesting

 

[slotplayer]

Your leaders are doing the same. Rather use money for military instead of people. Especially Trump.
And I'm completely against invading North Korea unless they actually attack someone. Goading isn't the same as actually doing things. He wants to look strong to his people while the rest of the world knows that he wouldn't have a chance against anyone. If they actually attacked someone then their leader should be targeted to avoid as many civilian casualities as possible. But if you're so warhungry guy then you better be there in front lines when US goes to war once again.

Show me the money.

 

[vorcirion]

Anyone who is interested in politics or world events, I suggest watching this interview. Its the first time that a North American has been able to interview Bashar Al-Assad in such detail. I found it incredibly interesting



haven't watched much of it yet but when al-Assad is speaking about terrorists there. I think he doesn't mean ISIS only. I'm pretty sure he means everyone who is against him. And al-Assad is using chemical attacks against his own people so yeah...

 

[vorcirion]

Show me the money.

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don't you think that spending for the military is an insane amount? education barely gets money but Trump loves poorly educated so yeah...and with your current education secretary...good luck!

 

[slotplayer]

don't you think that spending for the military is an insane amount? education barely gets money but Trump loves poorly educated so yeah...and with your current education secretary...good luck!

that's Obama's proposed budget

 

[vorcirion]

that's Obama's proposed budget

then it's gonna be even worse under Trump since your military is so depleted right?

 

[slotplayer]

then it's gonna be even worse under Trump since your military is so depleted right?

I heard that the military is depleted.

Why not go and google military budgets by country GDP and see who spends what?

 

[vorcirion]

I heard that the military is depleted.

Why not go and google military budgets by country GDP and see who spends what?

yeah and you spend a lot for it. also your spending for health care is the highest in the world so why not everyone is insured in your country? only countries like monaco, luxemburg, norway where they have tons of rich people can reach even near your spending. you have fucked up systems there. start taking care of your own people!

 

[weesie]

"The wiser man gives in!"

In line with this very old and true saying I graciously bow out from this thread because the fools will never understand that more aggression and violence will result in more of the same. Instead they will say "we need more guns"!

Got to love the way Harry_BKK bows out of the conversation...... calling others

"fools" upon his exit.

 

[slotplayer]

yeah and you spend a lot for it. also your spending for health care is the highest in the world so why not everyone is insured in your country? only countries like monaco, luxemburg, norway where they have tons of rich people can reach even near your spending. you have fucked up systems there. start taking care of your own people!

Trump got blasted for saying "America First" remember.

Why is everyone not insured?

Why not read it and see what is what?

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[vorcirion]

Trump got blasted for saying "America First" remember.

Why is everyone not insured?

Why not read it and see what is what?

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I tried to read it but I still don't understand why about every western nation has universal healthcare and your country doesn't. And still your country's healthcare costs much more per person than in any other country in the world. I guess Bernie tried to make it like other countries have?

 

[slotplayer]

I tried to read it but I still don't understand why about every western nation has universal healthcare and your country doesn't. And still your country's healthcare costs much more per person than in any other country in the world. I guess Bernie tried to make it like other countries have?

That is a good question. I think it is heading that way eventually. Yes, Bernie wants universal coverage. I would not mind seeing it.

Luckily, by law a person can't get denied care if they go to the hospital emergency room.

 

[lockinlove]

Trump got blasted for saying "America First" remember.

Why is everyone not insured?

Why not read it and see what is what?

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America first? How dare America! And lets not forget the beautiful Iran. How dare America ban them. I mean when they do this, they should be allowed here right?

The wonderful leader of Iraq and all his people.

 

[lockinlove]

fast forward to .30

 

[goatwack]

America first? How dare America! And lets not forget the beautiful Iran. How dare America ban them. I mean when they do this, they should be allowed here right?

The wonderful leader of Iraq and all his people.



Oi! Actually Iran is a beautiful country with great people. Your average Joe (or equivalent) isn't going to be chanting "Death to America", they have about as much input into who runs their country as the 50% of Americans who watched on as Trump swung the presidency!

I don't think there's anything wrong with opposing western ideals, that's not to assume that every Iranian national feels duty-bound to destroy America but rather it's at odds with its decadent culture and its leaders' imposing sanctions and bully-boy tactics.

Can't say I favour this hardline approach either, mind. Young people growing up in Iran are distancing themselves from these out of touch dinosaurs and the country's evolving into something else. It's not all roses and much needs to change but I can imagine watching these clips must make it appear like it was shot 2000 years ago!

And it's this generalization of peoples that must make them all seem alike to anyone not from there. It's like saying Spaniards are just like Italians because they share darker features and reside on the same continent. Iraqis and Iranians are not the same lol

 

[lockinlove]

Oi! Actually Iran is a beautiful country with great people. Your average Joe (or equivalent) isn't going to be chanting "Death to America", they have about as much input into who runs their country as the 50% of Americans who watched on as Trump swung the presidency!

I don't think there's anything wrong with opposing western ideals, that's not to assume that every Iranian national feels duty-bound to destroy America but rather it's at odds with its decadent culture and its leaders' imposing sanctions and bully-boy tactics.

Can't say I favour this hardline approach either, mind. Young people growing up in Iran are distancing themselves from these out of touch dinosaurs and the country's evolving into something else. It's not all roses and much needs to change but I can imagine watching these clips must make it appear like it was shot 2000 years ago!

And it's this generalization of peoples that must make them all seem alike to anyone not from there. It's like saying Spaniards are just like Italians because they share darker features and reside on the same continent. Iraqis and Iranians are not the same lol

That may be true or it may not be. Iran has many days through out the year where the country partakes in the burning of the American flag and chants such nonsense. Which lets not forget, is instigated and supported by their leader and thousands of Iranian citizens partake in these festivities.

Im just saying, you cant blame America for banning this country when they do things like this. I dont think 100% of Iranians do this but there is a pretty large portion that do. Enough to cause concern.

And my bad I meant Iran not Iraq.

Back to getting 3 reel wild desires!

 

[Sovietsky]

That may be true or it may not be. Iran has many days through out the year where the country partakes in the burning of the American flag and chants such nonsense. Which lets not forget, is instigated and supported by their leader and thousands of Iranian citizens partake in these festivities.

Im just saying, you cant blame America for banning this country when they do things like this. I dont think 100% of Iranians do this but there is a pretty large portion that do. Enough to cause concern.

And my bad I meant Iran not Iraq.

Back to getting 3 reel wild desires!

Saudi Arabia is worse imo but you dont see any bans on them... Hmm makes you wonder?

I also would like to edit just because Trump bans iranians for entering US, Iran should be the better guy and not do the same but sadly they did not.

 

[lockinlove]

Saudi Arabia is worse imo but you dont see any bans on them... Hmm makes you wonder?

I also would like to edit just because Trump bans iranians for entering US, Iran should be the better guy and not do the same but sadly they did not.

Its been discussed quite a bit in here about Saudi Arabia. Its pretty disturbing and Id like someone to call them out on it in public just to see their reaction

 

[ternur]

I've been reading this book over the weekend: What is Populism? Jan-Werner Müller. University of Pennsylvania Press. 2016.

It's a pretty quick and good read if you're interested in political theory.

For those interested, but don't read books, this is a shorter read from the same author:

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My question to fellow members here is this: Do you think Trump is a populist? If so, does it matter, i.e. do you think populism is dangerous?

 

[slotplayer]

Everyone knows that Bin Laden and the Taliban were an US ally in the 80's yet strongly disapproved of the US presence in Saudi-Arabia. That and the fact that the US turned against its former allies made him an even bigger fanatic that he already was. Why the US decided to stay for years in a country that is "sacred" land to Muslims is not understandable and only amplified the situation.

Bergen, Sept. 6, 2006: The story about bin Laden and the CIA — that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden — is simply a folk myth. There’s no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn’t have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn’t have needed to. Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently.

For example, Peter Bergen, a national security analyst for CNN who interviewed bin Laden in 1997, told us, “There is no evidence that the CIA funded or armed bin Laden or even knew who he was until 1993.

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[Webzcas]

 

[cmnstl]

Hello Casinomeister Members

Hello All,

First let me just say that this site is fantastic!! I have been playing RTG casinos for 6 years now, and have been looking for a place where you could discuss their issues and also find good natured folks that like to gamble. I have to say that as an American, I was really upset at the travel ban that was imposed by my government. There is no ban, wall, or any other "catch all" that is going to keep terrorists out of my country. We are a country born of immigrants, and this ban sends the wrong message to the world. Besides, 80 to 90 percent of the terrorist acts inside the US since 9-11 have been from our own citizens. Good intel, and fostering better relations with countries in the middle east may help. Some countries like Iran, have to be watched more carefully. We are an open and free society, and if a terrorist cell wants to get into our country....they most likely will...Ban or no ban.
As for health care....There is 100% no reason that we should not have universal health care. Plain and simple. Just like we are taxed for so every child can go to school...we should also be taxed for our health care. I am sure there will be companies that would offer supplemental insurance for folks with money that would allow them certain privileges. I am not sure how it would all work, but there is no reason that one of the richest countries in the world can not offer health care for all. If we can find over a trillion dollars to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan....we should be able to do this.
Finally....I am a 100% disabled vet who is a staunch independent. I enjoy talking politics, however...it has to be 100% civil.

Thanks Again,
Chris

 

[ternur]

Hello All,

First let me just say that this site is fantastic!! I have been playing RTG casinos for 6 years now, and have been looking for a place where you could discuss their issues and also find good natured folks that like to gamble. I have to say that as an American, I was really upset at the travel ban that was imposed by my government. There is no ban, wall, or any other "catch all" that is going to keep terrorists out of my country. We are a country born of immigrants, and this ban sends the wrong message to the world. Besides, 80 to 90 percent of the terrorist acts inside the US since 9-11 have been from our own citizens. Good intel, and fostering better relations with countries in the middle east may help. Some countries like Iran, have to be watched more carefully. We are an open and free society, and if a terrorist cell wants to get into our country....they most likely will...Ban or no ban.
As for health care....There is 100% no reason that we should not have universal health care. Plain and simple. Just like we are taxed for so every child can go to school...we should also be taxed for our health care. I am sure there will be companies that would offer supplemental insurance for folks with money that would allow them certain privileges. I am not sure how it would all work, but there is no reason that one of the richest countries in the world can not offer health care for all. If we can find over a trillion dollars to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan....we should be able to do this.
Finally....I am a 100% disabled vet who is a staunch independent. I enjoy talking politics, however...it has to be 100% civil.

Thanks Again,
Chris

Welcome Chris! I hope you like the forum. Very good points on your first post BTW.

 

[vorcirion]

 

[Lucky Loser]

Hello All,

First let me just say that this site is fantastic!! I have been playing RTG casinos for 6 years now, and have been looking for a place where you could discuss their issues and also find good natured folks that like to gamble. I have to say that as an American, I was really upset at the travel ban that was imposed by my government. There is no ban, wall, or any other "catch all" that is going to keep terrorists out of my country. We are a country born of immigrants, and this ban sends the wrong message to the world. Besides, 80 to 90 percent of the terrorist acts inside the US since 9-11 have been from our own citizens. Good intel, and fostering better relations with countries in the middle east may help. Some countries like Iran, have to be watched more carefully. We are an open and free society, and if a terrorist cell wants to get into our country....they most likely will...Ban or no ban.
As for health care....There is 100% no reason that we should not have universal health care. Plain and simple. Just like we are taxed for so every child can go to school...we should also be taxed for our health care. I am sure there will be companies that would offer supplemental insurance for folks with money that would allow them certain privileges. I am not sure how it would all work, but there is no reason that one of the richest countries in the world can not offer health care for all. If we can find over a trillion dollars to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan....we should be able to do this.
Finally....I am a 100% disabled vet who is a staunch independent. I enjoy talking politics, however...it has to be 100% civil.

Thanks Again,
Chris

Couldn't agree more. We get free health care in Australia. Why can't the world's richest country provide the same to its citizens? Especially the less fortunate who cant afford private insurance.

 

[slotplayer]

Hello All,

First let me just say that this site is fantastic!! I have been playing RTG casinos for 6 years now, and have been looking for a place where you could discuss their issues and also find good natured folks that like to gamble. I have to say that as an American, I was really upset at the travel ban that was imposed by my government. There is no ban, wall, or any other "catch all" that is going to keep terrorists out of my country. We are a country born of immigrants, and this ban sends the wrong message to the world. Besides, 80 to 90 percent of the terrorist acts inside the US since 9-11 have been from our own citizens. Good intel, and fostering better relations with countries in the middle east may help. Some countries like Iran, have to be watched more carefully. We are an open and free society, and if a terrorist cell wants to get into our country....they most likely will...Ban or no ban.
As for health care....There is 100% no reason that we should not have universal health care. Plain and simple. Just like we are taxed for so every child can go to school...we should also be taxed for our health care. I am sure there will be companies that would offer supplemental insurance for folks with money that would allow them certain privileges. I am not sure how it would all work, but there is no reason that one of the richest countries in the world can not offer health care for all. If we can find over a trillion dollars to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan....we should be able to do this.
Finally....I am a 100% disabled vet who is a staunch independent. I enjoy talking politics, however...it has to be 100% civil.

Thanks Again,
Chris

Hi Chris,
thanks for your service to the country. always appreciate the vets.
I looked at the details and it does seems quite feasible money-wise to have universal healthcare. I even asked a couple of doctors over the past few years and both replied they wanted a "single payer system." Billions can be saved just on the administration costs alone.

I think the Republicans are wrong to think they can have a market based solution. I don't think capitalism and healthcare mix well.
No doubt there would have to be tax increases to pay for it and most likely longer wait times but the trade off is worth it.

It's not like there aren't other models to compare, Norway has had universal healthcare since 1912. Japan since 1938.

 

[Steviedoo]

Wow....It's been quite the week and it's only Wednesday.

I'm just wondering how the trump supporters feel....I mean you're guy probably cheated his way into the White House with the help of the Russians....shocker.

Having security meeting in full view of guests...I have the words lock her up ringing in my ears....

If this was Clinton she would have been impeached by morning....the GOP have made a Faustian deal...eeerily quiet on how the Russians were in contact with trump aides during the election ..and I have a feeling they are going to squash this too and we won't hear about it until the next discovery...and pls...it's not fake news...the FBI etc...have confirmed.....


Disgraced Michael flynn...leading the crowd during the campaign....lock her up ....that is funny.....but karma is funny that way....

And to be clear...I am far from being anti America or USA...as I have stated here before...