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The last time Germany had a good guy like Trump was in 1933-1945...............What a blast that was. :cheerleader::cheerleader:

I wouldn't moan too much, after all Sweden didn't help the battle to stop Onkel Adolf, did they? :rolleyes:
 
The last time Germany had a good guy like Trump was in 1933-1945...............What a blast that was. :cheerleader::cheerleader:

I'm no German. My Grandfather fought in a gun turret on a aircraft shooting against German aircraft, and lived to tell the tale. the man of all people i loved & i respected more than anyone i know, which includes my own father by 100 fold.
So, like many, he would not appreciate what this sentence means but: One cannot ignore what that ''good guy'' done for Germany as a country before ww2.
That said, Hillary is a joke of a human being, and i doubt Trump is much better. But one can only hope, because with the same repetitive bullshit elections in the US... that's all we ever do.
 
For those who realize that BBC, NBC, CNN, NY Times etc are all FAKE NEWS you can read the truth about almost everything on these sites:

www.breitbart.com
www.hemmorrhoidsdonthurt.com
www.elvisisalive.co.uk
www.nationalenquirer.com

should list them all together. Although CNN is a little less trustworthy than national enquirer. My favorite was when they gave hilary the questons to the debate. They should win an award this year for the most trusted in the industry
 
That's unfortunately typical of the arrogant pseudo-intellectual liberal elite whose opinions seem to have permeated society from the bottom up, via the schools, media and colleges. They've given up on what they consider the 'old timers' (people who remember discipline and monoculturalism) but still aim their vitriol and illogicality at them while engendering political correctness and unquestioning subservience to their ideals in the rest of the population. It's a big shock to them when despite their huge arsenal of media advantage and sycophantic 'celebrities' they get their butts kicked in democratic votes, their shocked realization that reasonably-minded people see right through them....:D



Sorry...he lost by 3million votes...what's shocking is that he's the leader of the USA with those kind of numbers. And Russian interference....Nothing democratic about that.
 
as it says there in washingtonpost: "But there is no evidence that Hillary Clinton, through the Clinton Foundation, raised “hundreds of millions of dollars” for a hospital that was never built. We consulted groups that have been critical of recovery delays in Haiti, but they could not point to a specific Clinton Foundation-funded hospital project, either.

“We’ve tried to figure out what he might be citing as well, but we can’t provide you with a source of his claim because one doesn’t exist,” said Craig Minassian, a Clinton Foundation spokesman. “The Clinton Foundation never committed to build a hospital, nor did it accept, raise, or spend funds for that purpose. His claim is false.”"

It's a common theme. Republicans try to blame Clintons for about everything as did Trump. Spending tens of millions of dollars to investigate them and never finding any wrong doing. Let's spend the same amount to investigate Trump. But people want to believe that Clintons are guilty so they make them the bad guys without any kind of evidence. As for the other news outlet or whatever you can call that..."Obama’s Farewell Tears Are an Insult, His Record is Soaked in Blood"...oh please :P
So far the facts are that the Clintons have helped millions of people and Trump has exploited them. And that will continue for 4 years at least. Though my guess is it will last around 2 years before he's kicked out.


And don't forget those wretched emails that were the top headline for the entire campaign....ad effen nauseum we heard about it.....and yet during the bush years there were private servers at the White House....something like 22 million emails were lost....deleted...etc..oh how come they went missing...right...all had to do with the fake weapons of mass destruction, and the before and after 9 11...
 
Just watching 'Roast of' with Donald Trump on My5.

For those who have never seen 'Roast of', it is hilarious where various celebrities/comedians seriously take the piss out of their guests. Hosted by Seth McFarlane, Snoop Dog, Larry King, etc. This one was first aired Feb 2016, so obviously at the start of his presidential campaign. The remarks are actually quite cutting, which makes it more fun!
 
That's unfortunately typical of the arrogant pseudo-intellectual liberal elite whose opinions seem to have permeated society from the bottom up, via the schools, media and colleges. They've given up on what they consider the 'old timers' (people who remember discipline and monoculturalism) but still aim their vitriol and illogicality at them while engendering political correctness and unquestioning subservience to their ideals in the rest of the population. It's a big shock to them when despite their huge arsenal of media advantage and sycophantic 'celebrities' they get their butts kicked in democratic votes, their shocked realization that reasonably-minded people see right through them....:D

really good post.
 
Sure I usually have liberal views but conservatives had a few good candidates. John Kasich (by far the best candidate in the whole field imo...from republicans and democrats!) was one of them but instead of some reasonable guy you elect some manipulator who doesn't pay his bills to small businesses, has fraudent "university", lies about the audit of his taxes obviously...well 70% or so what Trump said was complete bs and still he gets elected. Sorry but quite hard to imagine people being smart if electing a guy like him. Now he's in charge of many american lives too but guess those lives didn't matter that much to voters. Just wanted to say fu to politicians and press or whatever ridiculous reason. About the same with Brexit really. Yeah be angry and make stupid choices. Gladly americans are the ones who need to live with the consequences.
It's funny how americans claim to have the greatest country in the world or whatever...by what standards? Greatest military? Yeah can agree with that. But all the basic things you have totally messed up. Basic education...people barely can read there...but guess that's how republicans want it so they have a chance in elections. Healthcare seems to be only for wealthy enough people. Now let's start polluting more so you get nice factories too. Screw the environment...oh and what global warming? Oh right...chinese hoax.

indoctrinated much?
teach (a person or group) to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.
 
Wow this thread just ran away. All I wanted to say is that the new First Lady looks lovely:)


Having said that I like President Trump now, I may not like him next year but for now I like him. If I was still living in America I would definitely be up for a pro American jobs President rather than what we have had so far. Call me naive but that is the way I feel. Now President Trump has signed some unpopular Executive Orders regarding oil pipelines with the stipulation that American steel is used. So this creates American jobs. Hopefully the people that build the pipeline take all precautions to protect the environment. So far President Trump has put his money where his mouth is and like hi or don't like him he is living up to his promises which is a lot more than previous presidents have done. Guys don't jump all over me but this is JUST my opinion:)
 
Yep, runaway thread and it appear's that many of the opinion's are not from the US. And there seem's to be alot of this anti-trump talk?I have to say that he is the biggest threat to the world at this time and people don't even seem to care?
He is a vindictive over- bearing monster and will show exactly what he is made of quickly.Already he has stopped all of the active sites at the white house blog.He install's people who are against the idea's of the places they are placed. The EPA boss is an overly zealous anti-EPA puppet.The same for all of his appointee's all against and seem to be dead set on destruction all of what make's America great?

And the so called trouble maker's are the ones who see thru the BS. And let's not forget about the TeaParty. They do exactly the very same thing. It is a geo-political disaster and it will take a toll on all of us.
And yes pretty and nice and all of that BUT! These thing's do not decide the out come of the western world?Oh yea this is just my opinion.Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff
 

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Some are hellbent on discrediting him at every turn. Putting his country's welfare before others translates as racism to some people :confused::confused: He's not breaking diplomatic relations with world leaders, he's just prioritizing his nation.

We aren't supposed to 'like' our leaders and politicians anyway, they're here to serve the populace. The problem stems from social media and the intrusion that brings into every facet of people's lives, including celebs and politicians. The frenzy that can be whipped up over the most banal things is astounding.

You can be sure there wouldn't have been the furore we have now several years ago, people weren't as easily manipulated by technology. I doubt there would have been mass protest rallies either, people would have just got on with it.

Presidents are judged on their legacy after their term is over, maybe he ought to be left to do his job now. Obama was hyped up to be the greatest thing since sliced bread and he left the world.......Obamacare?
 
Some are hellbent on discrediting him at every turn. Putting his country's welfare before others translates as racism to some people :confused::confused: He's not breaking diplomatic relations with world leaders, he's just prioritizing his nation.

We aren't supposed to 'like' our leaders and politicians anyway, they're here to serve the populace. The problem stems from social media and the intrusion that brings into every facet of people's lives, including celebs and politicians. The frenzy that can be whipped up over the most banal things is astounding.

You can be sure there wouldn't have been the furore we have now several years ago, people weren't as easily manipulated by technology. I doubt there would have been mass protest rallies either, people would have just got on with it.

Presidents are judged on their legacy after their term is over, maybe he ought to be left to do his job now. Obama was hyped up to be the greatest thing since sliced bread and he left the world.......Obamacare?

Why is it that you ignore everything else about Obama except Obamacare? Sure it isn't perfect but at least it got 20milj. more people insured. Healthcare there has been a disaster for an eternity and people don't seem to want to fix it. Perhaps you should learn from your northern neighbours how to make lives better in general.

At least you're right about how easy it is to manipulate people nowadays. They believe all the crap Trump says and ignore everything that Trump has done so far. There's no excuse blaming the social media or media or anyone else except yourself if you don't go through the facts before you make decisions.
 
Why is it that you ignore everything else about Obama except Obamacare? Sure it isn't perfect but at least it got 20milj. more people insured. Healthcare there has been a disaster for an eternity and people don't seem to want to fix it. Perhaps you should learn from your northern neighbours how to make lives better in general.

At least you're right about how easy it is to manipulate people nowadays. They believe all the crap Trump says and ignore everything that Trump has done so far. There's no excuse blaming the social media or media or anyone else except yourself if you don't go through the facts before you make decisions.

Ok so I've re-assessed my stance on Obama, and may have been a bit harsh.

He has scraped into the top 40 of all-time American Presidents and is ahead of Bush Jr.
 
Some are hellbent on discrediting him at every turn. Putting his country's welfare before others translates as racism to some people :confused::confused: He's not breaking diplomatic relations with world leaders, he's just prioritizing his nation.

We aren't supposed to 'like' our leaders and politicians anyway, they're here to serve the populace. The problem stems from social media and the intrusion that brings into every facet of people's lives, including celebs and politicians. The frenzy that can be whipped up over the most banal things is astounding.

You can be sure there wouldn't have been the furore we have now several years ago, people weren't as easily manipulated by technology. I doubt there would have been mass protest rallies either, people would have just got on with it.

Presidents are judged on their legacy after their term is over, maybe he ought to be left to do his job now. Obama was hyped up to be the greatest thing since sliced bread and he left the world.......Obamacare?

I find it really annoying how some people just give everything they have to posting about this crap. I have unfollowed many people on my facebook because the same people every day posting propaganda laced, misleading garbage on fb. EVERY SINGLE DAY MULTIPLE TIMES. Please for the love of god wont you just go for a walk or something. Memes of Trump being Hitler. Come the hell on. He is nothing close to Hitler at all.

I really agree that we should all wait and see what he does. Freaking out and calling him hitler before hes done anything is dramatic.

Plus hes not that great looking I really dont need to see him on my fb anytime I go on there to message someone
 
Why is it that you ignore everything else about Obama except Obamacare? Sure it isn't perfect but at least it got 20milj. more people insured. Healthcare there has been a disaster for an eternity and people don't seem to want to fix it. Perhaps you should learn from your northern neighbours how to make lives better in general.

At least you're right about how easy it is to manipulate people nowadays. They believe all the crap Trump says and ignore everything that Trump has done so far. There's no excuse blaming the social media or media or anyone else except yourself if you don't go through the facts before you make decisions.

That his unemployment rate is completely false with the bs claim its at 4.7%. Thats a bloody lie and its been proven.

That he made a really terrible deal with Iraq, the largest supporter of terrorism

That hes shunned alot of his allies for no good reason at all.

Hes added a massive amount of debt to the USA

He made himself look awful when he drew a line with Syria and they crossed it and he did nothing

opening americas borders for a free for all

obamacare is a joke and lies. Instead of saving families 2500 a year it actually increased 40% on average

He gave egypt tanks, f16s and 1.5 billion dollars of tax payers money. That president is now in jail for murder.

Libya

My favorite part was the relentless interviews he did and stated not to worry about isis and they are contained. Yea ok



What has Trump done so far?
 
For me so far a huge positive is that he seems to be giving the UK a big boost re Brexit while adding to the beginning of the end of the European Union. He appears to be cutting a swath through a lot of corrupt self serving institutions and organisations.
I hope that with ObamaCare he shows the way for the UK to follow by reducing the corruption of pharmaceutical companies and their distributors alongside the medical equipment and implement providers who charge big bucks even for simply paracetamol tablets. Ex government officials ( as well as maybe sitting officials) getting huge cash benefits from sanctioning such deals.

It appears to me that Trump the businessman could use his acumen to save his Country a fortune and direct that money to better uses.
Maybe I am just being romantic?
 
That his unemployment rate is completely false with the bs claim its at 4.7%. Thats a bloody lie and its been proven.

That he made a really terrible deal with Iraq, the largest supporter of terrorism

That hes shunned alot of his allies for no good reason at all.

Hes added a massive amount of debt to the USA

He made himself look awful when he drew a line with Syria and they crossed it and he did nothing

opening americas borders for a free for all

obamacare is a joke and lies. Instead of saving families 2500 a year it actually increased 40% on average

He gave egypt tanks, f16s and 1.5 billion dollars of tax payers money. That president is now in jail for murder.

Libya

My favorite part was the relentless interviews he did and stated not to worry about isis and they are contained. Yea ok



What has Trump done so far?

Deal was made with Iran and you'd prefer them to have a nuclear weapon instead of this current deal?
US's diplomatic status has improved a lot after Bush's crazy Iraq war. But guess this how US makes friends...bombs the shit out of them and then they are friends (Iraq, Vietnam, Japan and dunno who else). Dunno what allies are you talking about.
Sure your debt has increased a lot...that I can agree with. Don't know how much is Obama's and how much is Bush's fault. It's not like republicans have tried to help Obama at all.
Yeah Obama should've been much tougher in Syria and against Russia etc. That's the only complaint I have about him really.
Obama has deported much more than any president in...dunno how many years. Wouldn't call that as open borders or what exactly has he done to make it worse?
Isis is being destroyed pretty well. There are some individuals who still do terrorist attacks sure but there are always some. At least he's not some kind of pussy who just wants to hide behind some silly wall (paid by US).

What comes to Trump...buying chinese steel (not american), hiring those illegals he oh-so-hates instead of americans, fake university and of course he never settles in court. Settled for 25M$. Not paying for the work that small business did for him, because he says that they did poor work or whatever...many lawsuits over that of course. His crazy consipracy theories about Obama's birthplace, climate change and whatnot. Lied about 70% of the time during the campaign. Still keeps lying! And that kind of guy you want to lead your country...alrighty then!
 
And Trump talks about depleted military. Your military spends more than 10 next countries combined! How about spend 10% of that money to fix your healthcare and your basic education so your people can read.
 
Nope, if you increase the education then Trump wouldn't become president.

Trump said in his inauguration speech that they have a good upper education system but they learn nothing about life ( or words to that effect). What does he mean by that and how will he attempt to change that?

A family member of mine joined the education system at about 12 years old in America and she said she was totally shocked at how naive the kids where
 
Nothing to do with educational standard, it's flawed and child-like logic. I suppose the voting split was 50% were completely ignorant and blinkered whilst the others were comprised of enlightened free thinkers :D

Liberals have a skewed view of Democracy by the looks of it, ie "It's great, so long as we win!".

Don't recall the outrage when Obama won, or the losing parties and media attempting to undermine his authority. Nope, they got on with it.

It's as though the left want to set America back another 50 years instead of attempting to help unify the country. Getting Madonna to rally a mob to bomb the Whitehouse or Ashley Judd wailing about her periods is hardly condusive to societal progress.

Trump wouldn't have become president 20 or 30 years ago, he's a product of the current climate and zeitgeist where ordinary folk are sick of not being listened to by politicians and he saw an opportunity. What if he actually ended up doing great? What will liberals criticise then??
 
Nothing to do with educational standard, it's flawed and child-like logic. I suppose the voting split was 50% were completely ignorant and blinkered whilst the others were comprised of enlightened free thinkers :D

Liberals have a skewed view of Democracy by the looks of it, ie "It's great, so long as we win!".

Don't recall the outrage when Obama won, or the losing parties and media attempting to undermine his authority. Nope, they got on with it.

It's as though the left want to set America back another 50 years instead of attempting to help unify the country. Getting Madonna to rally a mob to bomb the Whitehouse or Ashley Judd wailing about her periods is hardly condusive to societal progress.

Trump wouldn't have become president 20 or 30 years ago, he's a product of the current climate and zeitgeist where ordinary folk are sick of not being listened to by politicians and he saw an opportunity. What if he actually ended up doing great? What will liberals criticise then??

Maybe because Obama after the campaign didn't continue to attack media and others that didn't agree with him.

Regarding criticism from opposition and media that is something that is good in every democracy so apparently that part is working in the US :thumbsup:
 
Deal was made with Iran and you'd prefer them to have a nuclear weapon instead of this current deal?
US's diplomatic status has improved a lot after Bush's crazy Iraq war. But guess this how US makes friends...bombs the shit out of them and then they are friends (Iraq, Vietnam, Japan and dunno who else). Dunno what allies are you talking about.
Sure your debt has increased a lot...that I can agree with. Don't know how much is Obama's and how much is Bush's fault. It's not like republicans have tried to help Obama at all.
Yeah Obama should've been much tougher in Syria and against Russia etc. That's the only complaint I have about him really.
Obama has deported much more than any president in...dunno how many years. Wouldn't call that as open borders or what exactly has he done to make it worse?
Isis is being destroyed pretty well. There are some individuals who still do terrorist attacks sure but there are always some. At least he's not some kind of pussy who just wants to hide behind some silly wall (paid by US).

What comes to Trump...buying chinese steel (not american), hiring those illegals he oh-so-hates instead of americans, fake university and of course he never settles in court. Settled for 25M$. Not paying for the work that small business did for him, because he says that they did poor work or whatever...many lawsuits over that of course. His crazy consipracy theories about Obama's birthplace, climate change and whatnot. Lied about 70% of the time during the campaign. Still keeps lying! And that kind of guy you want to lead your country...alrighty then!

Lets be real about Iran here, its only a matter of time before they break those rules. And btw this deal does absolutely nothing in stopping them making one. Do you realize what guidelines hes given Iran? They have to give them 24 days notice before they are allowed to inspect. Do you know how much you can hide in that time? and if Iran screws it up, America cannot impose the same sort of sanctions without issue or even at all.

Obama isnt a pussy? Hes actually the definition of a pussy. Who draws a red line and then backs off. A coward. And building a wall is to protect the citizens from drugs and violence so that comment is ridiculous.

Isis may or may not be being destroyed. The point was Obama said they werent a problem and were contained. Which was a total lie.

The only thing Trump has done so far is not lie. Hes actually one of the only presidents to get so much done and kept to his promises so quickly when hes just begun. This includes him keeping Ford and carrier and others in america who were all set to leave and leave tens of thousands of americans jobless.

People scream hes a racist because its the cool thing to do. Its basically people being social medias sheep. A racist doesnt try to hire a black man into his cabinet (ben carson). So why is he racist? because hes seen what bringing in Syrians can do to a country. Example Germany. Or because he knows USA economy is a disaster, why strain it like Trudeau of Canada? Because he knows there was an FBI report where terrorists were going to infiltrate the immigrants? The FBI found fake passport machines and other evidence supporting this. He has people of all kinds of cultures working for him. Including management roles. So no he is not a racist.

And Obama allowed the borders to be open without question. The fact checkers state 11 million poured in but most say thats a conservative number and its closer to 30 million. I would call that pouring in. He also brought in people from the middle east who were not even vetted and some of those people have committed crimes which could have been avoided. So yeah when you let that many people in of course you are going to hold a record for kicking alot out who were found to be criminals with a high likelihood to commit crimes or did commit them already. And when almost every attack over the last decade has been muslim terrorist, then yes, not allowing them in is completely fine.

And its not like he doesnt want to help them. He just doesnt want to do so in America. There is nothing wrong with him wanting to build a safe zone where the syrians remain in their country but away from harm.
 
And Trump talks about depleted military. Your military spends more than 10 next countries combined! How about spend 10% of that money to fix your healthcare and your basic education so your people can read.

When you try to police the entire world, thats what happens.
 
And the so called trouble maker's are the ones who see thru the BS.

The so called trouble makers? I guess burning innocents peoples cars and smashing local family business shops is not a trouble maker to you?

If they see through his BS, protest legally if you want your voice heard. Look at the peaceful protests by the millions of females who marched. Neither will do a single thing but at least they arent destroying the lives of others while they protest. I think they made a mistake letting the foul mouthed dirt bag Madonna represent them though. She is disgusting and stands for everything woman should not be. She allowed her body to be used to gain fame and money. And then thinks she can stand up and yell "fuck you" into a crowd multiple times. Shes the last person I want representing females.
 
Based on their current behavior I would say that the president is unlikely to get any kudos whatsoever from the left for his administration's achievements; I have the perception that a tsunami of hysteria has overtaken the US and the left truly believes the sky has fallen (even before Trump took office and without giving him an opportunity to deliver on his awesome responsibilities and powers).

That is, in my opinion, being exacerbated by a generally hostile media that is going to extreme lengths to discredit Trump, augmented (as I think goatwack commented earlier) by a seemingly complete free-for-all on social media and provocative statements by celebrities who see personal and political advantage in joining the Trump pile-on.

Some of these are peppered with inflammatory words like "resist", "revolution", "bomb", "hate", "not my president" and personal and often profane insults hurled at the president with hysterical abandon and little regard for unity or respect for his office. And it seems to me that much of this is based on admittedly stupid and unacceptable utterances on the election trail, or speculation as to what Trump might do or not do.

Time, I think, for a more responsible "keep calm and judge by results" attitude.

BTW regarding the Hitler reference earlier, I don't think that was intended as a real conflation of Trump with Hitler; that particular clip from an old movie just lends itself to amusing use as a parody of just about anything - I've seen it widely used with appropriate sub-titles in the poker sector, along with travel, political and consumer industries, to name just a few.
 
Some are hellbent on discrediting him at every turn. Putting his country's welfare before others translates as racism to some people :confused::confused: He's not breaking diplomatic relations with world leaders, he's just prioritizing his nation.

We aren't supposed to 'like' our leaders and politicians anyway, they're here to serve the populace. The problem stems from social media and the intrusion that brings into every facet of people's lives, including celebs and politicians. The frenzy that can be whipped up over the most banal things is astounding.

You can be sure there wouldn't have been the furore we have now several years ago, people weren't as easily manipulated by technology. I doubt there would have been mass protest rallies either, people would have just got on with it.

Presidents are judged on their legacy after their term is over, maybe he ought to be left to do his job now. Obama was hyped up to be the greatest thing since sliced bread and he left the world.......Obamacare?

I've been saying it for years "America First".
 
Based on their current behavior I would say that the president is unlikely to get any kudos whatsoever from the left for his administration's achievements; I have the perception that a tsunami of hysteria has overtaken the US and the left truly believes the sky has fallen (even before Trump took office and without giving him an opportunity to deliver on his awesome responsibilities and powers).

That is, in my opinion, being exacerbated by a generally hostile media that is going to extreme lengths to discredit Trump, augmented (as I think goatwack commented earlier) by a seemingly complete free-for-all on social media and provocative statements by celebrities who see personal and political advantage in joining the Trump pile-on.

Some of these are peppered with inflammatory words like "resist", "revolution", "bomb", "hate", "not my president" and personal and often profane insults hurled at the president with hysterical abandon and little regard for unity or respect for his office. And it seems to me that much of this is based on admittedly stupid and unacceptable utterances on the election trail, or speculation as to what Trump might do or not do.

Time, I think, for a more responsible "keep calm and judge by results" attitude.

BTW regarding the Hitler reference earlier, I don't think that was intended as a real conflation of Trump with Hitler; that particular clip from an old movie just lends itself to amusing use as a parody of just about anything - I've seen it widely used with appropriate sub-titles in the poker sector, along with travel, political and consumer industries, to name just a few.

I think I find the celebs the absolute worst. They know what they say the media will run with so it will give them attention and make them look good. Ive lost a lot of love for some celebs from this to be honest. I do find it funny they can try and trash him but then the one celeb says she would burn down the whitehouse. Really smart thing to say
 
Totally non-political post:

In many parts of the UK, people use the word "trump" instead of "fart" - and the name Donald is associated by many with "Donald Duck"...
So me & the kids (whose metal age is slightly higher than mine) refer to him as: President Duck Fart...

And when someone blows off, we say "Who just did a Donald???" :D


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This thread show's the great difference between the right and the left. And that is what we in America call politic's.But the very idea that Trump can and will destroy every aspect of Obama from the books show's exactly what he is made of.
There seem's to be a lot of feeling's about this and I do feel that Obama did alot of good in the 8 year's of his time in the white house.Let's not forget what he had to deal with when he walked in?Bush Jr.'s little war. Left at his door step to deal with. And as to the Iran and Libya debacle's he did say he would have handled Libya differently given the response.
But he did not do anything is wrong. We bombed the shit out of the infra-structure and if we had been able to deal with the mad man in charge perhaps we could have done a better job. But all the world knew that Libya was a madman's idea of control. By killing off his opposition and raping any woman or girl that struck his fancy.Nah Obama simply did what the UN ask and that was what the rest of the top 11 sitting nation's ask. And they said they were ready to attack! But that we the US were the only ones with the fire power to stop this madman.

The over-whelming idea here is we are as people opposed by what we see and hear.Trump does deserve a chance.Agreed! And for the present we will have to wait and see. So far he has done very little to help the "little man" and that also will have to remain to be seen. The hurt that is going on is this Democrat and Republican hatred for each other's parties.True when Obama won in 2012 the democrat's held the top 3. Senate,House,President. Same here but republican and it will be just like the republican idea's. Money, money, money, bought and paid for by the Koch brother's.

Arguing this already done fact show's the diverse group's we have here at CM and I will say no more about this un-changing fact until we see what Pres.Trump does? It's been fun folk's and I wish you all a great day,month, year.Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff
 

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Based on their current behavior I would say that the president is unlikely to get any kudos whatsoever from the left for his administration's achievements; I have the perception that a tsunami of hysteria has overtaken the US and the left truly believes the sky has fallen (even before Trump took office and without giving him an opportunity to deliver on his awesome responsibilities and powers).

That is, in my opinion, being exacerbated by a generally hostile media that is going to extreme lengths to discredit Trump, augmented (as I think goatwack commented earlier) by a seemingly complete free-for-all on social media and provocative statements by celebrities who see personal and political advantage in joining the Trump pile-on.

Some of these are peppered with inflammatory words like "resist", "revolution", "bomb", "hate", "not my president" and personal and often profane insults hurled at the president with hysterical abandon and little regard for unity or respect for his office. And it seems to me that much of this is based on admittedly stupid and unacceptable utterances on the election trail, or speculation as to what Trump might do or not do.

Time, I think, for a more responsible "keep calm and judge by results" attitude.

BTW regarding the Hitler reference earlier, I don't think that was intended as a real conflation of Trump with Hitler; that particular clip from an old movie just lends itself to amusing use as a parody of just about anything - I've seen it widely used with appropriate sub-titles in the poker sector, along with travel, political and consumer industries, to name just a few.

The issue many people have with Trump is that his words and actions over the last year, prove him to be a misogynist, racist and an individual who doesn't believe in climate change. Oh and only last night he agrees with torture ie water boarding.

As for keep calm and judge by results, this is the same person that mocked a disabled reporter and believes that he can do what he wants with women. ( Grab them by the pussy )

In short he is an asshole.
 
He wasn't elected for his personality it was for his abilities.

It's no secret how many times he's filed for bankruptcy so his abilities are not so trustworthy.
He was elected cuz of his personality.

And his personality will be his downfall

His ego will be his downfall
His thin skin will be his downfall

He will crack...he is on the world stage and will be criticized and scrutinized...he cannot and will not be able to handle it.

He gets upset when Saturday night live makes fun of him....his personality will not allow him to do what needs to be done.

For example He cannot accept that he lost the popular vote by 3 million. He will waste tax payers money to look into a 3 million voter fraud. This is not a left elitist story. He said it in an interview last nite that there were 3 million votes that were cast that were illegal and this is why he lost the popular vote.
Although knowing trump he can and probably will deny saying any of the above.


And just one more thing. He uses his phone to tweet. Do we know if it's secure?
Cuz it would very hypocritical of him and his party given what they said about Hillary Clinton and that unsecure email server.

A phone can be hacked and tracked.
 
The issue many people have with Trump is that his words and actions over the last year, prove him to be a misogynist, racist and an individual who doesn't believe in climate change. Oh and only last night he agrees with torture ie water boarding.

As for keep calm and judge by results, this is the same person that mocked a disabled reporter and believes that he can do what he wants with women. ( Grab them by the pussy )

In short he is an asshole.

First my disclaimer: I am absolutely no fan of Trump. But I think it is potentially dangerous to focus on unimportant and/or misunderstood or even fabricated matters.

1) Climate change - nobody knows exactly what caused ice ages and that was an enormously bigger climate change than the current mild warming so a lot of aspects of this issue are debatable IMO.

2) I am not really sure if he mocked the disabled reporter; I saw a montage on YouTube which showed clips of Trump, one of them as old as from 2005, and he made very similar gestures.

3) Grabbing the pussy - I think it was quite clearly meant as a statement that was more of an accusation concerning the mindset of many women of today than what he would ache to do.

There are much more important worrying issues IMO, such as Trump's emphasis on the US military. But we cannot know yet (time will tell) whether his rhetorics are just intended to appease some circles (so that he does not end like JFK) or whether he means it seriously.

Some people talk less about proliferation of arms and prefer to act. For example, Obama, the Nobel Peace Prize winner, lifted decades-long embargo on export of weapons to Vietnam in May 2016 during his visit to Vietnam.
 
It's no secret how many times he's filed for bankruptcy so his abilities are not so trustworthy.
He was elected cuz of his personality.

And his personality will be his downfall

His ego will be his downfall
His thin skin will be his downfall

He will crack...he is on the world stage and will be criticized and scrutinized...he cannot and will not be able to handle it.

He gets upset when Saturday night live makes fun of him....his personality will not allow him to do what needs to be done.

For example He cannot accept that he lost the popular vote by 3 million. He will waste tax payers money to look into a 3 million voter fraud. This is not a left elitist story. He said it in an interview last nite that there were 3 million votes that were cast that were illegal and this is why he lost the popular vote.
Although knowing trump he can and probably will deny saying any of the above.


And just one more thing. He uses his phone to tweet. Do we know if it's secure?
Cuz it would very hypocritical of him and his party given what they said about Hillary Clinton and that unsecure email server.

A phone can be hacked and tracked.

It's all left wing. Failed Businesses ventures file for bankruptcy all the time. Go Google it.
My advice, don't hang on Trumps every word. Learn to filter.
I'm sure they'll get him a secure phone. He's tweeting not sending classified information.
 
It's all left wing. Failed Businesses ventures file for bankruptcy all the time. Go Google it.
My advice, don't hang on Trumps every word. Learn to filter.
I'm sure they'll get him a secure phone. He's tweeting not sending classified information.

Dont hang on trumps every word? And this is the problem. Making exceptions. Why? Why? Words effen matter. Words are powerful tools. Words can create peace or they can create chaos.
Seriously he's the president of the USA.

And He doesn't have a secure phone?
Phones can be tracked. And hacked. And how do we know he's not taking calls or or and and ...

Wow the hypocrsy of the right always astounds me.

I am not a trump supporter nor am I left wing elitist nut.

But there has to be some sort of accountability and standard.

If I have to filter and not hang on every word the president of the most powerful country speaks that means there is something wrong with what he is saying.

However It was nice to hear him speak last nite without the usual carnival barking and boasting until he brought up voter fraud and crowd size. He then showed us once again the size of his ego and the lengths he will go to to prove that he is the best.
 
Dont hang on trumps every word? And this is the problem. Making exceptions. Why? Why? Words effen matter. Words are powerful tools. Words can create peace or they can create chaos.
Seriously he's the president of the USA.

And He doesn't have a secure phone?
Phones can be tracked. And hacked. And how do we know he's not taking calls or or and and ...

Wow the hypocrsy of the right always astounds me.

I am not a trump supporter nor am I left wing elitist nut.

But there has to be some sort of accountability and standard.

If I have to filter and not hang on every word the president of the most powerful country speaks that means there is something wrong with what he is saying.

However It was nice to hear him speak last nite without the usual carnival barking and boasting until he brought up voter fraud and crowd size. He then showed us once again the size of his ego and the lengths he will go to to prove that he is the best.

I look for the good in people not their short comings. I just pick who I think is right for the job at the time, its a pragmatic analysis, not ideological.

I'm not that sensitive. I have no problem filtering out the boasting and ego driven statements. I've been hearing it for 18+ months. I'm used to it. Stop sweating it. tbh, I'm more interested in what is done than said.
 
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