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[glodge]

Ok just received this from neteller!

----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: wbp
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: Ugent Attention - someone has highjacked copy of neteller site


Thank you for your e-mail. the proper address pertaining to us is Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) .

Thank-you
NETeller Support
Daniel

 

[glodge]

SO there is not doubt I have included the full headers below from the e-mail received from neteller support to me.

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[the_cpa]

Man!! Unbelievable! Way to there glodge!
You got the "Catch of the Month" on this one. :notworthy:

 

[glodge]

the_cpa,

What cracks me up, is that the scum behind the netelleruk.com site have probably been breaking their b#lls to get this up, and dreaming about buying motorised push bikes ( sure beats peddling ); no offence intended to any Chiness members.

I noticed a post for this site on a gambling forum at around 4:30am EST today. Good to see that this community & that of the online gambling community in general, is so closely knit that these scum get found out pretty quickly.

 

[glodge]

the_cpa,

Thanks buddy, even though the praise is appreciate, there's no need, just trying to do my bit; sent the meister a screen cap of the netelleruk.com site along with the whois info, btw

 

[bewitch]

Glodge, I know this is off topic. But you are really good at finding things like this. Could you check the new casino? Largocasino. The mamager claim he is different from the ladydream/goldbetting... But same software, same rule even same DNS. I really don't believe what he said.

Thank you!

 

[glodge]

bewitch,

Actually I've just thought about it, this will throw this whole thread out of whack.

I'm going to open up a new thread for this, it is after all very long.

(Message edited by glodge on September 11, 2003)

 

[glodge]

bewitch,

Flattery will get you everwhere :lol:

Besides I've already investigated these clowns & have also sent this info to the Meister; been busy this week should be on the payroll.

LARGOCASINO.COM

Registrant:
Siam Management Services, Ltd (WILPPSTDZD)
British Colonial Center of Commerce #401
One Bay St. PO Box CB 10974
Nassau, New Providence 10974
BS

Domain Name: LARGOCASINO.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
MSL, CV, SIAM (20466485I) [email protected]
EZNP
British Colonial Center of Commerce #401
Nassau, New Providence 10974
BS
242-322-6656 fax: 242-322-6657

Record expires on 01-Jun-2006.
Record created on 01-Jun-2003.
Database last updated on 5-Sep-2003 23:49:55 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.GOLDBETTING.COM 63.245.40.227
NS2.GOLDBETTING.COM 64.38.211.29


The manager Chris Anderson; why does that name ring a bell, maybe someone can help me out here?

Claims that he is only sharing a server with goldbetting.com however IMHO the guys full of his own BS.

I also own the following domains:

Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)
Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)
Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

I thought the best way to get to the bottom of this was to send Chris an e-mail via the CIC.

Sometime you got to do what you got to do, to catch these rogues

I made it a point to ask him why he was ignorant to goldbetting , Ladydream , Wager 21 and so on.
Also brought up the fact that there are currently spelling mistakes in the VP ( Instead of straight it is spelt straigh ). There is also an error with the way PaiGow Poker, that is the deals cards are presented in such a way as every hand is technically an mis-draw, anyway here is an extract of the reply I received back from Mr Chris Anderson ( Manager of LargoCasino.com )

" I was completely unaware of any problems with them or Wager 21. I have been in touch with the developers with all the problems pertaining to PaiGow, mis-spelled words, etc. I am only human and I can't catch every error. "

So much for Q&A Mr Chris Anderson!

Anyway got a reply back & from what I can gather it has come from the goldbetting.com mailserver.

I'll also add that I've been rather active on the ezboard forums, in repsonse to LargoCasino.com & Chris Anderson.

The following forum; P4K any wonder; has been the most vocal in defending LargoCasino.com; then again they defended Cirrus also, doesn't say much for their credibility., only in IMO of course

Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

This thread again on P4K, somewhere in the 4 pages of dribble, a few people are starting to realise that HiLowHello is probably telling the truth & that LargoCasino.com and Chris Anderson is full of BS.

Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

At one point a very noticable shill enters the thread & posts in support of Largocasino.com & Chris, probably Chris Anderson himself.

Anyway that's about all I have on these clowns.

Hope this helps bewitch & anyone else who has doubts towards Largocasino.com

 

[colin_f]

Everyone,

I thank the brilliant posters at this Forum. The problem has been rectified. We have called the HOST and with some constructive remarks (in Mandarin), we were able to get the site removed.
A special thanks to Glodge. If anyone has concerns regarding this matter, please email me at [email protected].
Again, thanks to everyones concern.

 

[jinnia]

Registrant:
Siam Management Services, Ltd (HJOLCYWRBD)
British Colonial Center of Commerce #401
One Bay St. PO Box CB 10974
Nassau, New Providence 10974
BS

Domain Name: EZTP.NET

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Siam Management Services, Ltd (QLIQPAQGXO) [email protected]
British Colonial Center of Commerce #401
One Bay St. PO Box CB 10974
Nassau, New Providence 10974
BS
242-322-6656 fax: 242-322-6657

Record expires on 18-Dec-2005.
Record created on 18-Dec-2002.
Database last updated on 11-Sep-2003 13:37:25 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.SECUREHOST.COM 24.244.140.100
NS2.SECUREHOST.COM 24.244.140.101

 

[colin_f]

Also, I forgot to say thank you to the_cpa for calling in and speaking with me directly to clarify this situation.

 

[glodge]

Think with jinnia adding the whois info about EZTP.NET, it goes to prove that LargoCasino.com & Chris Anderson are in cahoots with goldbetting & this entire group of scum bags.

 

[jinnia]

ooops, had 3 forums pulled up at time, saw glodges post, accidently posted my last message here. Was meant for elsewhere, sorry people.

 

[jinnia]

AH, so maybe the info shows something here??

 

[glodge]

All I'm saying is that the Registrant for LargoCasino.com is the same as for eztp.net, the rest kind makes sense.

Domain eztp.net
Registrant:
Siam Management Services, Ltd (HJOLCYWRBD)
British Colonial Center of Commerce #401
One Bay St. PO Box CB 10974
Nassau, New Providence 10974
BS

Domain largocasino.com
Registrant:
Siam Management Services, Ltd (WILPPSTDZD)
British Colonial Center of Commerce #401
One Bay St. PO Box CB 10974
Nassau, New Providence 10974
BS


The only difference; I'm asuming, they have been registed using different nick handles (WILPPSTDZD) and (HJOLCYWRBD); asuming these are domain nick handles.

 

[glodge]

btw the pic, that's my cat wilbur when he was a 7 week old kitten ( 8 months ago )

 

[jinnia]

HJOLCYWRBD

Registrant:
Siam Management Services, Ltd (HJOLCYWRBD)
British Colonial Center of Commerce #401
One Bay St. PO Box CB 10974
Nassau, New Providence 10974
BS

Domain Name: EZTP.NET

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Siam Management Services, Ltd (QLIQPAQGXO) [email protected]
British Colonial Center of Commerce #401
One Bay St. PO Box CB 10974
Nassau, New Providence 10974
BS
242-322-6656 fax: 242-322-6657

Record expires on 18-Dec-2005.
Record created on 18-Dec-2002.
Database last updated on 11-Sep-2003 14:39:16 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.SECUREHOST.COM 24.244.140.100
NS2.SECUREHOST.COM 24.244.140.101



WILPPSTDZD

Registrant:
Siam Management Services, Ltd (WILPPSTDZD)
British Colonial Center of Commerce #401
One Bay St. PO Box CB 10974
Nassau, New Providence 10974
BS

Domain Name: LARGOCASINO.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
MSL, CV, SIAM (20466485I) [email protected]
EZNP
British Colonial Center of Commerce #401
Nassau, New Providence 10974
BS
242-322-6656 fax: 242-322-6657

Record expires on 01-Jun-2006.
Record created on 01-Jun-2003.
Database last updated on 11-Sep-2003 14:40:21 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.GOLDBETTING.COM 63.245.40.227
NS2.GOLDBETTING.COM 64.38.211.29

 

[jetset]

Good work, guys!

 

[slimbone]

CM, please put Microgaming on the Rogue List. They are pulling the wool over your eyes. Doesn't it upset you that they are playing so many of you for a fool? It would piss me off.

Yes, MG is depending on you to dismiss the TG stats--that way, they can continue to cheat inocent players. Remember, real people are being cheated out of real money by Microgaming.

They are playing you bro, and I know you don't take that crap. Time to buck up and kick some Microgaming ass.

 

[mary]

Wow. I hope Neteller sends you some chockies, you guys deserve 'em.

 

[bewitch]

Thanks! I know I will make you guys work hard for me. Smile~!
Very interesting! EZNP and EZTP are the same. In fact, they has an office at CA Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) is EZTP/EZNP.

After DirectNetPay and casino are coming from the same computer in US. PSOBILL is located at LA. And PSOBILL is EZTP/EZNP.... Very very interesting. When I saw HiLowHello's post on Gamtrak. The EZNP and Largocasino "together" feeling hit me. Maybe they should sing "we are family". What a scam! The casino is still down. Wonder how many people deposit $20 there....

Glodge, are you HiLowHello? Just wondering....

 

[deeg]

Throwing my 2 cents here, I can't believe that Chris had no idea about goldbetting's past, not to mention ladydream.
When you want to have a casino, common sense tells you to check out everything. If this guy's that clueless, he should'nt be running a casino.

What's really bugging me are these people that are defending this place so blindly, and why? A free $50. Nice to know people can be bought off so easily, and cheaply.
Of course alot of the same people still think they'll get paid of of free money from Virtual/ Prism.

 

[murder1]

YEP! JPM and I have been saying it all along. Their BJ is truely rigged. How many times have you played multi-hand BJ. The Dealer deals you 2 cards per hand. He receives one, a face card. And when you double down and split. And receive 19 and 20. The dealer takes his final card and its an ACE. BLACK MUTHAFUGGING JACK. YOU LOSE EVERYTHING!!! YOUR DOUBLE DOWN AND YOUR SPLIT. MG is a ROGUE. I DON'T CARE WHO DEFENDS THEM! Then they have the nervous to state we are verifed by Price Waterhouse Coopers that everything is fair and square. Yea Yea Yea. These same accounting firms are in court today being fined for cooking the books. Acourse they will print what you want them to print. Your robbing me to pay them. Just like Congress, Big Business got them too.

 

[slimbone]

CM, Microgaming thinks you're a punk? What are going to do about it. Spear, they think you're a punk too. And Jetset, they think you're the biggest punk of all. Man, these guys are scamin' you, can't you see it.

Don't be punks, where I come from, you take action when you get punked by bitches like Microgaming. You guys just take it. Stand up guys!

 

[spearmaster]

Slimbone -

Let me assure you, just for myself and not for the other two - that I will not be pushed around by anyone, including Microgaming.

However, I cannot act on incomplete data either - that's the same thing as saying you're a bonus abuser (an example, not personal LOL) without knowing all the facts other than what the casino has said.

I am certain the other two share the same feeling but I will let them speak for themselves. If we get all the data, we will make our own judgements to the best of our abilities. The last thing we need to do is to jump to conclusions no matter what the situation.

 

[glodge]

Am I HiLowHello?

Well sometimes I feel Hi & sometimes I feel Low, and I do say Hello to everyone I meet.

 

[pokeraddict]

I'm very impressed, especially with glodge. Great work. Even with the fact that neteller cared enough to get it fixed quick and come into the forum.

 

[glodge]

deeg,

" What's really bugging me are these people that are defending this place so blindly, and why? A free $50. Nice to know people can be bought off so easily, and cheaply. "

Sad thing is deeg, this money is probably the proceeds of players winnings that goldbetting ladydream & all the other scum associated with Wager21, have withheld from past gamblers.

 

[glodge]

mary,

mmm chocalate, as nice as that thought is, these are one thing my waist line doesn't need! :lol:

pokeraddict,

Thanks, at the end of the day I'm glad this scam got kicked in the butt quickly, and the gambling community got saved from being burnt.

 

[glodge]

jetset,

:yes:

 

[glodge]

Would have been interesting to know exactly what was translated into their " constructive remarks (in Mandarin ) ".

Getting a site pulled in an English speaking Country is hard enough, however having one pulled in China, and so fast, WOW!

Kudos :yes: Neteller for getting this site removed.

 

[jetset]

Well said, Spear. I'm not about to join this small but vociferous lynchmob just yet either.

I reserve the right to draw my own conclusions when I have been convinced by reliable information and opinions I respect, and thus far that has not been forthcoming. No amount of insults from anonymous posters will change that.

I have been a supporter of the OCA concept and I look forward to TG's addendum in the hope that it may clarify the issue for real experts with views unclouded by emotion. I suspect that TG would not condone the sort of abuse we are seeing from the likes of Slimbone and Murder 1.

And as even a cursory inspection of the message board discussions on this topic show there are problems with this data, and for every ranter there are an equal number of informed, knowledgeable - and objective - gamblers out there who have not been able to draw personal conclusions based on the presentation thus far.

They have been attacked for their objectivity, and some of the more abusive posters have been throwing some pretty strong language and accusations around about those of us who have a more considered approach to issues as serious as this, and a track record of fighting unfair conduct in the industry.

If it makes you feel better to mouth it off and abuse others who do not happen to subscribe to your views, then be my guest, Slimbone - but as far as I am concerned your post has not persuaded me to change my position.

 

[glodge]

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone has played here before?
The thing that sounded warning bells for me, is that I checked out the following URL :

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And the Forum board P4K is mentioned in relationship to their voting promos?

Considering the drama with Cirrus & other casino rogue identities in which the forum P4K stood up for ( recently Largocasino.com ), seeing this forum name associated with this casino, makes me wonder about them?

If anyone has any feed back it would be apprciated, thank you.

 

[bewitch]

LOL. I sent HiLowHello an e-mail at Gamtrk forum. Another flattery. :yes:

The site is still down. Wonder what's going on.... Bet you a lot of players think $20 is nothing and deposit there already.

Cute kitty. I have a golden color dog, a tiger strip cat and a pure white cat. Can't load their picture (too big). Maybe next time!

(Message edited by bewitch on September 12, 2003)

 

[bewitch]

I saw this casino at AnteUp (Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) ) before. It's under their trusted sites, but not anymore now.

I check the link you provided here. They ask "Any payouts require the amount of at least $2003 on your account (without taking into consideration all the further deposits and bonuses" after getting "$30"??? I need a really witch to twist her nose here. LOL

 

[caruso]

Murder1: "The Dealer deals you 2 cards per hand. He receives one, a face card. And when you double down and split. And receive 19 and 20. The dealer takes his final card and its an ACE. BLACK MUTHAFUGGING JACK. YOU LOSE EVERYTHING!!! YOUR DOUBLE DOWN AND YOUR SPLIT."

It would never be "correct" to double against a dealer face card with Microgaming, nor split anything other than aces. I'm also not aware that Microgaming offers double after split.

What the OCA has done is to present indisputable evidence of an unfair game based on THEIR data; you cannot now come out and say "this proves me right - I always knew they were rigged".

It's meaningless and it completely trivialises the issue. These are just the kind of posts Microgaming are looking for.

Jetset - you cannot class those of us who applaud TG's findings as "ranters", any more than you can laud those who pooh-pooh them as "informed, knowledgeable and objective". All those adjectives, to a greater or lesser extent, apply to me. The only "unobjective" parties here are the portals and interested insiders. Ask yourself the question: when all the dust settles, who stands the most to lose - me, or Got2Bet / Bryan / B2G etc, etc?

OK, clue: it ain't me.

Now, who do you think MAY be, oh, just a tinsey-winsey wee little bit, (cough cough) ahem..."unobjective"?

 

[glodge]

Just received this from Largo Casino Management

----- Original Message -----
From: >,[email protected]<,
To: >,[email protected]<,
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 08:18 AM
Subject: Important Notice


<, xxxxxx xxxxx,
<,
<, Please be advised that we are back online this morning. The situation was out of my control. our database updates once a day, so when the power reset the servers it corrupted the database. now If I would have went up right then I would have had to use the database from the day before and I would have had tons of people yelling that they won this jackpot or that jackpot. so I decided to hire some database specialists to recover the data. Now that I look back I don't know which would have been better. but in any case it has taken a longer than expected to retrieve all the data. I have not run off with anyones money. those wishing to have thier deposits back will have to place a withdrawl request and email me also. Those of you who took advantage of the $20 offer please email me so I can make sure the deposit was in your account and so I can make it up to you. I do Appologize for any inconvinience that this situation has caused you.
<,
<, Regards,
<, Chris
<,

 

[hip_hop]

Murder1 says: The Dealer deals you 2 cards per hand. He receives one, a face card. And when you double down and split. And receive 19 and 20. The dealer takes his final card and its an ACE. BLACK MUTHAFUGGING JACK. YOU LOSE EVERYTHING!!! YOUR DOUBLE DOWN AND YOUR SPLIT. MG is a ROGUE. I DON'T CARE WHO DEFENDS THEM!

OK Let's just set aside the whole cheat or no cheat question for a moment. What you describe is merely the European No Hole Card rule. It kinda sucks but as suggests you need only adjust your strategy when doubling and splitting. Again cheating aside for the time being, even with ENHC the microgaming set of rules is one of the best out there with a house advantage of only 0.13% according to Shackelford. You can not use a rule that you don't understand to paint the software as rogue. We can turn the cheating issue back on now.

Cheating and understanding. I am not a statistician, so I do not claim to be able to interpret the data in this study correctly. I am going to bide my time until authorities that are both knowledgeable about this and known and respected in the gambling community come out with a judgment. I think this is what CM and others are doing and wisely I might add. Wait for concrete results. If you dont want to play at Microgaming in the interim then fine, dont. Do not however come down hard on the folks who are waiting for more information. If we have to wait a month to tar and feather them will it really matter in the end? No. If a lynch mob gets their man minutes before he is proven innocent does it matter? Ask the guy at the end of the rope.

Hip Hop

 

[gamemaster]

Hello, Bryan. Hello, everyone.

This is the lead-in to an article that has been posted on my site,

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:

The Internet gambling industry has been rocked by what appear to be legitimate concerns that the Blackjack game offered by casinos using Microgaming Systems software is "non-random", which is a polite way of saying it's rigged. The data is available for all to see at no cost or obligation. The group that compiled these facts and figures should be applauded for a great effort, because it was done in the best interests of all Internet casino patrons. The only problem is, they're wrong. I can show you why.


GM

 

[jpm]

I would write back to them and tell them to invest a few hundred bucks on a UPS (aka battery backup)! Morons. Anyone running their business on servers that do not have UPS protection on them deserve problems.

 

[jpm]

I suspect that the 'constructive remarks' were probably on the unpleasant side. :mg:

Nice job Joel! And that is one cute kitty, btw.

 

[glodge]

jpm,

Yes I think you may be right on :sniper:

Thanks, still would like to know what was said :rofl:

BTW how's that blonde chick with that cute pussie I sent you going?

 

[glodge]

jpm,

No point writing this fool, besides the only Swahili I know is, Tafadhali nataka
bia [pombe] baridi. >,--- = :beer:

Anyone with 1/2 a brain running a casino server has power backup, ( if not a generator ) sounds like yet another of the famous goldbetting.com BS lines.

Starting to think they enrolled in the Virtual Casino Groups class of, how to tell 101 creative BS, crap through your back teeth lies and keep a straight face will doing it course.

(Message edited by glodge on September 12, 2003)

 

[spearmaster]

Caruso -

Your attitude is disappointing, considering all of the things we have done for other people at great effort and considerable time expended without cost.

Rather than having more to lose, I think it's time to make it clear that we are more OBJECTIVE and less reactionary than some of you out there.

Not only is it unimportant if our income is affected by this, it is way more important to protect the image of the industry from unwarranted claims, attacks and so forth which give the US government more bullshit excuses with which to pass silly bills which further restrict the rights of Americans.

You guys in the UK may not have this problem - but neither do you see the big picture.

Show a little patience for a change and wait for all the information to be revealed - in the meantime go read what the Gamemaster has to say.

 

[babysister]

Just received this from Chris:

Subj: Important Notice
Date: 9/12/2003 11:04:53 AM Central Standard Time
From: [email protected]
To: XXXXXX
Sent from the Internet (Details)



XXXXXXXXXXXX,

Please be advised that it has been brought to my attention that a handful of accounts are having problems loading the games past 100%. I am aware of the issue and we are working to fix it. If you have one of these accounts I'm sorry for any inconvinience. you all will recieve an email when the problem is fixed. again I am truely sorry about this. If I knew some of you were going to have problems I would have kept the site offline.

Regards,
Chris



He should have kept it offline and off the NET. Where are these people coming from? They are all CROOKS! :axeman2:

 

[caruso]

I agree - there are far-reaching ramifications here. Proof of cheating on the part of the no. 1 software platform might well turn out to be the straw that breaks the camel's back in terms of US legislation. That'll affect us on this side of the Atlantic as well - not as much, but the loss of 70% of the market would have obvious consequences. But that's a side issue. That the US government may be driven to greater lengths to restrict US residents' rights as a result of this affair does not affect my perception of the matter PER SE, nor should it anyone else's. You might argue that the politicians would be doing the RIGHT thing, in the light of evidence that their countrymen are being subjected to fraud at the highest level.

The evidence is pretty clear, and simple enough. That's why I'm afflicted with Galloping Cynicism - it seems that problems are being looked for where there are none - by the people who, in all honesty, I would have EXPECTED that reaction from - over a matter the complexity of which really does NOT merit it. I do NOT see this as "objectivity"; far from it. If I'm wrong, I apologise.

BTW - I think The Gamesmaster made a rather fundemental boo boo in his calculations.

 

[spearmaster]

If there is no problem with the data then there will be a very big problem in the industry and we will make sure that it is seen to, no doubt about it.

However, as I have repeatedly pointed out, I have neither disputed nor supported the release or the existence of the data - all I said is that there is a lack of information which prevents me from making an appropriate judgement.

We shall just wait and see. Until then there isn't much good that will come out of anything you or I will say.

 

[braskin]

vopros takoi. te kazino kotorie ne razrishayut tebe igrat potomu chto ti v rosii ne pustat tebya igrat dazhe s evropeiskim ili amerikanskim bankovskim schetem. oni poimut ot tvoego IP chto ti v rosii...

A dlya tech kotorie razreshayut igrokov iz rosii, tebya zarubezhni bankovski schet ne nuzhen...

tak esli eto ne 'scam', kak eto rabotaet?

br

 

[jinnia]

hmmmm... Czech language??

 

[braskin]

sorry, actually its russian..

I basically said that those casinos that ban players from russia can tell where a player plays from by checking the IP. For those that don't ban russians, one doesn't need a foreign bank account.


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