Online Casino Reviews

[waynemasters]

I got an e-mail from Casinomeister asking "where've you been"? It has indeed been a long time since I last posted anything. I'd like to open up the floor regarding true casino reviews. Based on my experiences, which has cost me thousands of dollars, that the online gaming industry - as a whole - is a total scam. Casinomeister listed Red Flush Casino as "Best of 2008". Ok, how the hell is this possible? If ever there was a rogue casino, Red Flush should be on the top of the list. The payout percentages are a total joke. The customer service (if you can call it that) reps are incredibly rude and inattentive. On and on. This casino is a rip off in every sense of the word, and how the Casinomeister site can possibly give any positive accolades raises questions on the legitimacy of this site. So again, what in the name of God could Red Flush Casino have possibly done to get a title of "Best" - because after thousands of dollars, I got nothing in return - other than a locked account. Rather than list the casinos that are a scam, its easier to give a few of the "less corrupt" ones on the net:

1. Vegas Sky Casino: Rival Software - With a $100 deposit, I got my balance up to over $4300, and I played slots on that $100 deposit continuous for over 40 hours. I give serious props to this site. The downside is their Blackjack and other table games. The table games seemed to be very tight - with the dealer always coming up with the high cards to win. Overall, I would rate Vegas Sky as a very fair site to play - 8 out of 10 stars.

2. Lucky Slots Casino - RTG Software - This is a new site that I decided to give a shot. This casino has the best payouts of any RTG site. Their machines are very loose and extend even a small bankroll. My only complaint is the bonus features seem not to hit as much. Their Blackjack and table games are extremely fair and hit often. 8 out of 10 stars.

3. Doyles Casino used to be much better with MG. I played the sites new RTG software and it was downhill - WAY downhill. Tight, tight games. I would say that Doyles used to be my number on casino - it now is at the bottom of the list with the RTG software. It was 10 out of 10 stars - now I wouldn't give them 2 stars, if even that.

The top 10 casinos that are an absolute scam and should be shut down:

1. Red Flush Casino
2. Pamper Casino
3. Fortune Lounge Casino Group
4. Online Vegas/Golden Casino Group
5. English Harbour Group
6. Mayflower Casino
7. Cirrus, Cool Cat, Palace of Chance Casino Group
8. 123 Bingo, Bingo Knights, Bingo Flash Casinos/Bingo Halls
9. S'loto Cash Casino
10. Pitbull Casino

The 10 casinos/casino groups above are the WORST on the internet. These groups have pitiful payout percentages, terrible or non-existent customer service, lock your account when you complain about the rigidity of the games. These sites should be avoided at all cost. Play at your own risk.
In closing, I own slot machines (IGT & Ballys), I've worked in the land based gaming industry, I know how these games should work. More online casinos claim 96% payouts, etc. Sorry folks, that's just not the case. Maybe with a handful, but I would say that 96% of those casinos stating these payout returns are in fact making fraudulent claims. If there is one thing I hate more than anything, it would have to be "unqualified experts" - armchair quarterbacks. Honestly, you wouldn't want your dentist to perform open heart surgery on you, would you? I admire the fact that there are a lot of people out there with a passion for gaming. Nobody loves the industry more than me. Opinions are like aresholes, everybody's got one. But lets face it, more of the online gaming industry is nothing more than fraud - and THAT is a fact. Again, I'm still trying to figure out how CM gave Red Flush Casino the award he did... CM, I really hope you take a harder look at these folks before giving your recommendation, as well as any other online casino out there. Anyone in the Pittsburgh area is more than welcome to spin our slots to see how true slot machines are supposed to operate and payout. I don't want to start World War 3 or anything - It's just time the air is cleared on this industry with some facts and not opinions.

 

[mclee321]

It's just time the air is cleared on this industry with some facts and not opinions.

Not to start a war myself, but that came across as mostly opinion

You just seem to be basing the merit purely on the casino's you have won at.

Of course you make a good point with the rogue casino's listed, every man and his dog here knows never to play in their piss-bucket casinos.

 

[footdr]

Couldn't Agree More Regarding RedFlush......

I never base my play on the views of anyone else but me. I check out a casino first by depositing small and if I consider it, based on my experience with other casinos with like software or other casinos I have played within their group, to be a fair casino; I will play there if not I don't.

Online casinos, in my opinion, have a better payout than land based casinos.
There are quite a few however, that I believe are not worth playing at based on their, loyalty, bonus, support and payout.

Minivegas group has always been good, payout wise, for me yet I know many here consider them Rogue. On the other hand, casino groups not listed as Rogued are "Rogued" by me based upon my own experience with them.

Simply speaking, you can definately lose a fortune gambling online as you can in any land based casino. Yet, I find online gambling much more profitable and the very least easier to break even due to the many choices of casinos to play.

My complaint is against the casinos that don't compensate VIP players as they should anymore using U.S. law as the excuse. If a player is still playing the same as before the law then the compensation should not have changed.
The players are paying more fees now then the casinos. It use to be the other way around since they use to process ach and wiretransfers themselves. Right?

 

[slotheadlizard]

10 Worst

Wayne, welcome back. Thanks for posting your opinion. I have to say that I agree with some of them. I would exclude Sloto and Fortune Lounge. Plus I have not played at all of them.

I am a little confused though as to why you state how you hate unqualified opinions then proceed to state your own as facts. They seem to be just personal experiences. While many may agree with you on Red Flush, some may disagree on others. I would also like to know if your "worst" list is compiled purely on win/loss stats. Do quick payouts, C.S, etc. come into play?

If it is just based on loses, I would have included 3dice, but the other categories sort of outweigh the rest there like creative games. I could easily include a few more on the CM list based on other categories. I would not say that the accredited casinos payout more than non accredited casinos, but I'm sticking to the list for the most part because I have never, not once (knock on wood) had a payout problem with a listed casino.


This is not to say that the accredited list is gospel. You should very well mention your awesome experience with Vegas Sky and Lucky Slots. Perhaps you can campaign to get your favorite casinos on the CM list, but questioning the legitimacy of the site as a whole based on one accredited casino is going a little too far IMO. Just my 2cents though, Good Luck

 

[waynemasters]

Experience

Having worked in the **real** industry, owning several **real** slot machines, having close friends who work for **real** industry leaders like IGT - let's just say I point out more in facts than opinion. I try not to get too political, which is seemingly impossible anymore. CM, if you read this - how's about giving me the skinny on how Red Flush got ANY award for being anything other than a total fraud. As much attention as your site draws, I find it incredibly irresponsible on your part to give such a high honour to an obviously unqualified site. It's kind of like "eCogra" - I can only imagine how much money Microgaming **donates** on a monthly basis to pad their sites audits. If anybody takes an eCogra audit seriously - please let me know - I have a bridge in New York I'd like to sell you.

Again, it's great to see people get involved and share their opinions - but opinions are meaningless without some experience to back up some true facts.

 

[waynemasters]

British Columbia Lottery - Online Casino

I forgot to add to my last post... the BC Lottery will apparently be entering into the online gaming world sometime next year.

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Frankly, I wonder how many other state/provincial lotteries will follow suit. I think it would be a great way to keep the absconders of the online gaming industry more honest. This is one of my biggest complaints about the online gaming industry - there is literally NO regulation of any of these sites. Sorry - Kanawhake, Malta, Alderney, etc... these "regulators" are as phony and corrupt as the sites they give "licenses" to. Again, like eCogra, if any of you put any sort of serious faith into these "government regulators"... you need a strong cup of coffee to wake up. I will tell you this - if ANY of these sites were regulated by the US or Canadian governments (non tribal), the online gaming industry would be much more honest and trustworthy.

 

[chuchu59]

Okay, now we have someone who feels it correct to rogue casinos he has done poorly at while applauding those he won at.

MG - Redflush vs Doyles (when at MG)

You lost $thousands at the former while doing well at the later. Now that Doyles is now using RTG, you give them a rating of 2. Well, at least you didnt call Doyles a crook.

Rival - Vegassky vs Slotocash

I play regularly at both but I wouldnt call sloto a scam just because I lost there. I have lost at both these casinos but their customer service has generally been good. The table games have changed and the software has definitely been altered. I got slaughtered at Vegassky yesterday after enduring a near impossible run. I am waiting for their logs but I dont believe they will send me any so I might start a thread soon and let others judge why I feel that the software has been tampered with and how the results dont stand up to scrutiny. Rusty would have been able to give input but sadly he's called it quits.

Slotocash has hardly treated any players with contempt yet you are denouncing them purely because you lost there.

RTG - Luckyslots vs Doyles(RTG)

Again, same software and I have played regularly at Luckyslots. As with most software, you do well at some and not so well at others. Their offers are generous and you can win as long as you avoid being greedy. Their 300%+ bonus offers are great though the downside is a 10x deposit max withdrawal cap but I have cashed out max 3 times on about 12 deposits. Their live chat service is great and they give you a free chip equivalent to the size of your previous deposit if you lose everything so it extends your play time even more.

What I want to say is that the 96% RTP or whatever % it is cannot be confined to your play at a single casino but sometimes over a longer stint at several casinos using the same software. Now say your RTP at sloto is just a paltry 75% but your RTP % at Vegassky is 120% are you justified in calling sloto a scam or should vegassky call you a scam. If your overall returns at over a borad section of casinos using the same software is way below the advertised percentages, then you may have a case but crying fould over the casinos you do poorly at without balancing them against those you have done particularly well at does not warrant a fair hearing imo.

 

[DiamondGeezer]

Another proposterous thread.

Do you really think Ladbrokes the biggest betting company in Europe would use MG software if it was bent? Time for a reality check.

That is not to say there aren't glitches or errors and it's important to stay vigilant. I take your point about ecogra not being the best people to rely on.

If you have some evidence then fine post it up and the experts here will take a good look. But posting up losses and making these wild accusations is just wasting everyone's time frankly.

 

[KasinoKing]

I got slaughtered at Vegassky yesterday after enduring a near impossible run. I am waiting for their logs but I dont believe they will send me any so I might start a thread soon and let others judge why I feel that the software has been tampered with and how the results dont stand up to scrutiny.

Why have you asked the casino to get the logs?
Do you not know that if you go to the cashier screen and then "History" you can extract your play logs yourself?

KK

 

[Casinomeister]

Having worked in the **real** industry, owning several **real** slot machines, having close friends who work for **real** industry leaders like IGT - let's just say I point out more in facts than opinion.

Please don't assume that over the past 11 years I don't have friends or contacts in the same places. Same goes for many of the members here. This isn't just some howdy-doody happy clappy player forum. By the way, the online industry is just as real as the land based. You should know this by now.

CM, if you read this - how's about giving me the skinny on how Red Flush got ANY award for being anything other than a total fraud. As much attention as your site draws, I find it incredibly irresponsible on your part to give such a high honour to an obviously unqualified site. It's kind of like "eCogra" - I can only imagine how much money Microgaming **donates** on a monthly basis to pad their sites audits. If anybody takes an eCogra audit seriously - please let me know - I have a bridge in New York I'd like to sell you.

Here's how it goes - around November/December of each year I review the entire year's postings, complaints, PABs, emails, news articles, and anything else I can get my hands on to come up with the awards. I look at the new casinos that have come on board during the year and apply this information to them - complaints, kudos, PABs, etc. It's then that I make the decision on who receives an award. Red Flush received it for 2008.

Now this was for 2008 - so I hope you bear this is mind. And so far in 2009, not much has been going on with them complaint-wise. They had one PAB submitted in January concerning a cash out problem that was resolved. There have been a few issues in the forum about payout probs which is about normal for everyone. Nothing equating the problems you've had though. Rude customer service? Maybe you caught someone on a bad day. Dunno.

The thing is, if they are so fraud-like, then where are the complaints?

 

[mclee321]

This isn't just some howdy-doody happy clappy player forum.

I feel cheated now, I signed up purely for these qualities.

 

[chuchu59]

Why have you asked the casino to get the logs?
Do you not know that if you go to the cashier screen and then "History" you can extract your play logs yourself?

KK

I mixed my play with thousands of spins at Scary Rich and it is tedious to flip over pages of logs at 20 hands/games per page. Furthermore, you are logged out automatically after 15 minutes regardless of whether you any activity at the cashier. Is there any way I can extract the data without being logged out?

 

[waynemasters]

Hiya Meister...

Hiya Meister - I appreciate your response. The purpose of my thread was to point out some hard facts that people tend to want to avoid discussing. The bottom line is that experience and empirical evidence are the only two ways to back up facts...

Fact - A majority of online casinos are nothing more than a scam - plain and simple. They "claim" high payout percentages, but when you play - it's quite the opposite of their advertising.

Fact - Organizations like eCogra are a bigger scam than the casinos they "accredit". Again, my question is how big of a check Microgaming cuts to eCogra every month for padded audits of its sites. I find it a bit too convenient that most eCogra "accredited" sites are Microgaming. I always wondered what became of the Enron employees who didn't get thrown in jail...

Fact - The "online casino industry" is nowhere near the "brick & mortar" casino industry - not even close and to even suggest that this is preposterous. The online industry is largely un or underregulated - making it a cinch for these scam artists to get away with financial murder - literally. They answer to nobody, including to the patrons that frequent their sites. People like myself in the real casino world think of the online industry as "ghetto warriors" - people who would open a real casino IF they had the financial resources. But then again, after my experiences with most online sites, it better that these grumblings choose the path that they did. Had any of these people opened a land based casino, they would either be out of business in a few quarters, or would be shut down by the government in a flood of lawsuits.

Fact - Money talks - period. It's understood by any person who gambles that the odds are always in favour of the house - regardless if its at Harrahs or on your laptop. Again, from reading most of these posts, it's clear that most people posting here are enthusiasts and not experts in the field. Not that was the GM for Trump, I do have some mileage under my belt in the industry. I have 6 slot machines in my game room. I know exactly how they work. For example, one of my machines is set at 85% - which would be considered tight by most. Even at 85%, this machine hits very frequently. Now our friends in the supposed "real" online industry love to flash payouts of over 95% and I can tell you that this is simply not true. People don't realize at numbers like that, an RNG is programmed to hit about 4 or 5 times every 10 spins on a machine. That being said, I can say that my experiences with Microgaming, RTG and most Rival sites are so pathetic that it's not even funny. Online casinos love to tout that the software company and not the casino sets the RNG/Payouts - I would have to physically see that to believe that. Not everybody is going to hit a jackpot, everybody realizes that. But one thing that you and every other online gamer can agree on is the fact that with online games, there is no difference in hit frequency when you switch the wager denomination amount. This is one HUGE difference between the online world and a real casino. If you play at a quarter machine, the payout percentage is usually 89 to 92 percent, where as a $5 machine will payout upwards of 96 to 98 percent. There are even a few land casinos in Iowa and Missouri that have $100 machines that payout well over 100%. If online gaming is the "same" as some people like to claim, I'd really like to know how this could possibly be true knowing the aforementioned.

DiamondGeezer, Microgaming is beyond "bent", as you put it. The truly sad thing with Microgaming is that I love the games they have. Very realistic, Vegas like. The problem is the low payout percentages. Same goes for Vegas Tech (Odds On) Gaming... I LOVE their software - but the payouts are hideous.

Again, I cannot stress enough that the online side of gaming is nowhere close to the land side... it's kind of like comparing a Ford to a Lexus... there's no comparison whatsoever. There is a huge difference between knowing people who "manage" an online site vs. knowing GM's from landbased reputable casinos, IGT, Ballys, etc.

 

[thelawnet]

Hiya Meister - I appreciate your response. The purpose of my thread was to point out some hard facts that people tend to want to avoid discussing. The bottom line is that experience and empirical evidence are the only two ways to back up facts...

Fact - A majority of online casinos are nothing more than a scam - plain and simple. They "claim" high payout percentages, but when you play - it's quite the opposite of their advertising.

Not my experience.

You think they don't? Prove it.

As in numbers.

Fact - Organizations like eCogra are a bigger scam than the casinos they "accredit". Again, my question is how big of a check Microgaming cuts to eCogra every month for padded audits of its sites. I find it a bit too convenient that most eCogra "accredited" sites are Microgaming. I always wondered what became of the Enron employees who didn't get thrown in jail...

eCogra is not a particularly credible organisation. They are better than some of the others like the LGA.

Fact - The "online casino industry" is nowhere near the "brick & mortar" casino industry - not even close and to even suggest that this is preposterous. The online industry is largely un or underregulated - making it a cinch for these scam artists to get away with financial murder - literally. They answer to nobody, including to the patrons that frequent their sites. People like myself in the real casino world think of the online industry as "ghetto warriors" - people who would open a real casino IF they had the financial resources. But then again, after my experiences with most online sites, it better that these grumblings choose the path that they did. Had any of these people opened a land based casino, they would either be out of business in a few quarters, or would be shut down by the government in a flood of lawsuits.

The B+M casino world is in general more regulated, but online casinos have lower overheads and are all operating games that are designed to return a casino profit. Some casinos are subject to pretty credible regulation and linked to reputable companies. Wagerworks, for instance, is owned by IGT, and their casinos are properly regulated.

Fact - Money talks - period. It's understood by any person who gambles that the odds are always in favour of the house - regardless if its at Harrahs or on your laptop. Again, from reading most of these posts, it's clear that most people posting here are enthusiasts and not experts in the field. Not that was the GM for Trump, I do have some mileage under my belt in the industry. I have 6 slot machines in my game room. I know exactly how they work. For example, one of my machines is set at 85% - which would be considered tight by most. Even at 85%, this machine hits very frequently. Now our friends in the supposed "real" online industry love to flash payouts of over 95% and I can tell you that this is simply not true. People don't realize at numbers like that, an RNG is programmed to hit about 4 or 5 times every 10 spins on a machine.

You really do NOT know what you are talking about. There are 101 ways to program a slot machine.

Most popular online 5 reel slot machines include bonus features that trigger typically every 100-200 spins. The payout of these features can be half the total return of the game. These games are NOT hitting 4 in 10 spins, they are hitting more like 2 or 3 times. Some games will pay more frequently, but 5-reel slots that pay out too often are BAD NEWS for the player - if you play every spin 100 coins and get back 95 coins your money, you're guaranteed to lose your money. It's much better to lose your $100 ten times in the space of a few spins and on the eleventh time win the $1000 than play some boring game that pays out every spin. Of course some players will lost 20 times in a row, and others will win the first time they play - that's just randomness.

And that's before considering 3 reel slots - many of these are single line games with a lowest pay out of 2* bet, and with jackpots going up to 1000*. Given that the smallest payout is 2* your bet, if you hit 5 times in 10, the casino would be losing money FOR SURE. So there's no way these games are hitting 4 or 5 times in 10. Some games will, but it depends on the game.

You want to find a game that pays out often? Look for a game with no bonus feature, or a crappy one that doesn't pay much (free spins are to be avoided). A 25 line game will pay more often than 9 line, other things being equal.

Big jackpots aren't actually a problem - the chance of 5 wilds is usually VERY small, better to look for small payouts on the more common payouts - a 5 reel game that has a 2 coin payout and no bonus games should payout pretty often. Good luck finding it though.....

That being said, I can say that my experiences with Microgaming, RTG and most Rival sites are so pathetic that it's not even funny. Online casinos love to tout that the software company and not the casino sets the RNG/Payouts - I would have to physically see that to believe that. Not everybody is going to hit a jackpot, everybody realizes that. But one thing that you and every other online gamer can agree on is the fact that with online games, there is no difference in hit frequency when you switch the wager denomination amount. This is one HUGE difference between the online world and a real casino. If you play at a quarter machine, the payout percentage is usually 89 to 92 percent, where as a $5 machine will payout upwards of 96 to 98 percent. There are even a few land casinos in Iowa and Missouri that have $100 machines that payout well over 100%. If online gaming is the "same" as some people like to claim, I'd really like to know how this could possibly be true knowing the aforementioned.

I've not heard of machines paying over 100%. I find that hard to believe without sources. The reason casinos have 90% 5 cents and 98% $5 slots is that they need to pay taxes, cleaning costs, carpet, land, waitresses, and 2% of $5 is a lot better than 10% of 5 cents. So to tempt people to bet bigger, they can afford to offer higher payback.

Online the transactional costs are negligible - somebody sitting in front of a slot machine is a B+M casino is stopping somebody else playing - the casino's revenue is limited by that fact, so they better make it profitable. Online it just doesn't matter as much whether you bet 1 cent or $100, because it's profitable either way.

DiamondGeezer, Microgaming is beyond "bent", as you put it. The truly sad thing with Microgaming is that I love the games they have. Very realistic, Vegas like. The problem is the low payout percentages. Same goes for Vegas Tech (Odds On) Gaming... I LOVE their software - but the payouts are hideous.

Sounds like a loser whining. Let's see your play logs.

How much have you played, what stakes, and what's your actual loss versus expected? Often a 'bad' result turns out to be totally normal - a couple of big pays can turn bad into good, and when a really big pay can be a 100,000-1 shot, it's difficult to argue that being one such pay away from 'normal' makes the software rigged, when by definition some people will hit the big win many times and others not at all.

Again, I cannot stress enough that the online side of gaming is nowhere close to the land side... it's kind of like comparing a Ford to a Lexus... there's no comparison whatsoever. There is a huge difference between knowing people who "manage" an online site vs. knowing GM's from landbased reputable casinos, IGT, Ballys, etc.

IGT are online. Perhaps you should educate yourself a bit better about the state of online gaming.

 

[chayton]

I feel cheated now, I signed up purely for these qualities.

lol, I came to casinomeister and caught happy-clappy.

 

[waynemasters]

Let me guess...

Lawnet, based on your response I can tell you have no industry experience whatsoever. Your post is exactly what I meant about armchair quarterbacks.

Good luck with your enthusiast opinions.

 

[TOC]

The thing is, if they are so fraud-like, then where are the complaints?

I must agree with CM on this one. It appears from looking in you're a tech. for a land based casino and probably the one you have listed in your profile, not sure. I frequent land based casino's myself and business is hurting big time in the U.S. so it doesn't surprise me at all for a land based tech. to come on an online casino forum and talk about how they all cheat and downgrade the owner of this site. For someone that thinks all the online casino's cheat you've sure played at a bunch, go figure! Someone with your expertise should have stopped after the first couple casino's if you thought they were rigged, wow look at your list!! Also, I'm sure you do know about slot machines but unless you can tell me an online software provider you have worked for then your info. means nothing. Land based slots operate totally different than internet slots, common since would tell me this. Your job would be to run to the casino and change a moving part, although there are moving parts on the internet it's not real parts. I agree you know quite a bit about land based casino's BUT with online casino's you're just a player like me, sorry.

 

[Casinomeister]

Admin Warning: troll postings

Lawnet, based on your response I can tell you have no industry experience whatsoever. Your post is exactly what I meant about armchair quarterbacks.

Good luck with your enthusiast opinions.

Just an administrative heads up that troll like posts are unnecessary and violate the forum rules:

1.14 - No Trolls. From Wikipedia: "A Troll is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion." Trolls will be waterboarded, and their accounts will be permanently disabled.


Thelawnet knows what he's talking about and has a track record to prove it. The one who is armchair quarterbacking is you. You have not produced one fact yet - just a bunch of opinions and inaccurate statements.

There are major B&M entities already online - they just not in the states. (WillHill, Betfred, Ladbrokes, etc., etc.,etc.). Another thing, the US brick and mortar casinos have already tried to go online but failed miserably because they did not understand how to market their product - MGM Grand for one. That's a fact, bud. As for software, you can find a number of MGS games in Vegas - Thunderstruck for one. I've played it at the Wynn. If you think that game is screwing you, go complain to their floor manager. Playtech also has a number of off line products as well.

I think you're mistaking a few Costa Rican clipshot joints for the entire industry. Get out of Pittsburgh and check out what's going on in the UK, Continental Europe, or Vegas for that matter. B&M casinos are very much involved with the online industry, and those that aren't will be within the next couple of years. Read up on the latest and you'll know what I'm talking about.
https://www.casinomeister.com/gambling-news/

 

[Deeplay]

Well well interesting thread with some interesting view points - all of which are local to each players experience. Was surprised to see Fortune Lounge listed as in fact this is the only group I have won at and am up for the whole of 2009! CS is superb - cash outs super fast ( no I dont work for them and im not getting a free chip for this post ) but for myself they are one of a limited bunch of casinos that get my vote and deposits. On the other side of coin I have found it hard to win much at say 32red - does that mean 32reds % are low - no not at all its just I didnt hit plain n simple myBad -but I wont bitch about it thats the name of the game. My next deposit at 32red I could hit a stack of $$$$ who knows. - This post from a proud certified "armchair quarterback"

 

[thelawnet]

Lawnet, based on your response I can tell you have no industry experience whatsoever. Your post is exactly what I meant about armchair quarterbacks.

Good luck with your enthusiast opinions.

Hehe.

You know you're not going to convince anybody with your 'I'm such an expert' shtick without actually doing anything to prove it.

I asked you to provide some EVIDENCE. Until you provide some, you're just going to look foolish.

 

[waynemasters]

Trolling for...

Meister, thanks for your "admin reminder". Tell me something, did you happen to read his response to me, because I found it far more inflammatory and "emotionally triggering" than my response back to him. Either you conduct a fair and open discussion board, or not. If not, it should raise red flags all over the place. If you do, please don't send me a threatening response that is clearly not warranted. You're incorrect about the B&M industry getting into online - especially here in the United States. The laws here will NEVER allow for this. Perhaps some of the state lotteries (like British Columbia in 2010) will choose to begin an online gaming program, but NEVER a land based casino. And I do see "what is going on in Europe" with the online industry. That's what started this thread to begin with. "What is happening in Europe" is wrong for the industry - and tight gaming, lack of regulation and the ability to fairly resolve any problems with sites are just a few of the reasons why. You mentioned that MGM attempted the online side, but didn't market it properly... didn't they offer these outrageous "bonuses" attached with play through/max cash out requirements that are next to impossible... Our casino had Thunderstruck but got rid of it for obvious reasons - it was a game that was entirely too tight and we received tons of complaints on. There's an old saying that I'm sure you're familiar with, "If we don't take care of our customers, somebody else will". Look man, I honestly don't mean to be confrontational - I really don't. I'm sure there are those of you out there that have won and have had great experiences. Unfortunately for me, I have not had those good experiences.

Lawnet - I'd love to give you the raw data from my gaming experiences, but none of these "outstanding, honest and fair" **chuckles/clears throat** gaming sites will provide me an audit. I find it hilarious that you're offended that I point out that payouts at most online casinos are nowhere near what these schemers claim. An earlier poster said that, "with low overhead, online casinos can provide higher payouts" is absolute balderdash. That poster was correct - the online industry has virtually no overhead and payouts should be amazing, but this is simply not the case. Again, if I had audits I would gladly post each on here to show you all what I'm talking about.

Let me try an put a positive spin on this - perhaps some of you can share with me (based on your experiences) the Microgaming and RTG sites that you have found to have the highest payouts.

Well, this troll has to get back to work. Peace, all.

 

[thelawnet]

Meister, thanks for your "admin reminder". Tell me something, did you happen to read his response to me, because I found it far more inflammatory and "emotionally triggering" than my response back to him. Either you conduct a fair and open discussion board, or not. If not, it should raise red flags all over the place. If you do, please don't send me a threatening response that is clearly not warranted.

Let's get this clear. You came on here, with no track record, claiming to be some kind of expert, but without doing anything to back this up.

Then, despite having made no effort to earn respect or actually demonstrate your knowledge, you claimed that "most people posting here are enthusiasts and not experts in the field. Not that was the GM for Trump, I do have some mileage under my belt in the industry. I have 6 slot machines in my game room. I know exactly how they work."

in other words "everyone on here is dumb, I'm an expert".

I don't have any problem with people whining about losing, that's fine - I can understand why people do that, but whining about losing and then insisting that anybody who disagrees with you must be clueless is just plain rude.

If you come on here making inflammatory posts that lack any kind of credibility, expect to get it right back at you.

You're incorrect about the B&M industry getting into online - especially here in the United States. The laws here will NEVER allow for this.

Uh, you might like to have a look at IGT's 'Online and Mobile gaming' page.

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I wouldn't say 'NEVER' either.

Perhaps some of the state lotteries (like British Columbia in 2010) will choose to begin an online gaming program, but NEVER a land based casino. And I do see "what is going on in Europe" with the online industry. That's what started this thread to begin with. "What is happening in Europe" is wrong for the industry - and tight gaming, lack of regulation and the ability to fairly resolve any problems with sites are just a few of the reasons why. You mentioned that MGM attempted the online side, but didn't market it properly... didn't they offer these outrageous "bonuses" attached with play through/max cash out requirements that are next to impossible... Our casino had Thunderstruck but got rid of it for obvious reasons - it was a game that was entirely too tight and we received tons of complaints on.

So you're saying the B+M game DID play like the online game?

There's a surprise.

Actually it doesn't surprise me that the game got canned. If you're in a land casino you can press a button and cashout any time. A run of a few spins without a payout might well make you cash out in a real casino. With online casinos it's a bit more involved than that. Games like thunderstruck work well online - you can click 'autoplay' and play 500 spins, waiting for a bonus game, which will often payback 100 times your bet, but occurs quite rarely. The downside of this is of course that you have fewer pays in between the bonus games. But here's a newsflash: online is NOT the same as a real casino. You don't get anyone coming to serve you drinks online. You DO get frequent cash bonuses OTOH.

These differences mean that while your experience of real casinos might be interesting, it doesn't give you the right to say that people who know about ONLINE gaming are less knowledgable about online gaming than you are.

Lawnet - I'd love to give you the raw data from my gaming experiences, but none of these "outstanding, honest and fair" **chuckles/clears throat** gaming sites will provide me an audit.

Have you asked for one? Who have you asked?

I find it hilarious that you're offended that I point out that payouts at most online casinos are nowhere near what these schemers claim. An earlier poster said that, "with low overhead, online casinos can provide higher payouts" is absolute balderdash. That poster was correct - the online industry has virtually no overhead and payouts should be amazing, but this is simply not the case. Again, if I had audits I would gladly post each on here to show you all what I'm talking about.

Great, name a casino that's refused to provide you with an audit and maybe we can get somewhere.

Let me try an put a positive spin on this - perhaps some of you can share with me (based on your experiences) the Microgaming and RTG sites that you have found to have the highest payouts.

I don't play at RTG sites.

Sorry.

And as for 'highest payouts', all Microgaming casinos are the same in payouts. It doesn't matter where you play. Sometimes you'll lose, sometimes you'll win, but in the long run it makes no difference. You should choose based on bonus offers, cashout times, customer service, whatever it is that appeals to you.

I've played at 32Red six times: my results

100 in 345 out
64 in 240 out
82 in 0 out
32 in 0 out
57 in 0 out
1000 in 3009.36 out

I've played at Grand Hotel 8 times: my results
100 in 0 out
100 in 200 out
100 in 200 out
1000 in 0 out
200 in 0 out
100 in 0 out
500 in 600 out
100 in 0 out

Does this mean 32Red pays out more than Grand Hotel? Nope. If I'd lost one bet on my 1000 deposit at 32Red I'd have cashed out zero. One bet probably made the difference between zero and 3000.

It's just variance.

They are all the same. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

But anyway, you're the one making the claims that the casinos are crooked, let's see your evidence.

 

[waynemasters]

My apologies...

Law, I offer my sincerest apologies for coming across as being rude. That was not my intention. On the land side, I am definately a seasoned professional. On the online side, I am a novice that has lost thousands.

To answer your question, the sites that have not provided me with audits:

1. Lucky Emporer (CR Group)
2. Any of the Cirrus, Cool Cat conglomerate sites
3. Sloto Cash
4. Any of the Parlay gaming sites
5. Villento Group
7. Red Flush
8. Fortune Lounge

This is just a few. When I say I have spent thousands - I mean that literally. The only site that I have been able to cash out on was Doyles (when they were running MG). My experience at Doyles really spoke volumes to me regarding site payouts, related to the software - and by that token, meaning the casino itself (and not the software manufacturer) sets the payouts of the games. I can say with an iron clad guarantee that in Pennsylvania (for example) casinos, the only way to change the payout percentages is through the slot machine manufacturer.

Again, I am sorry if I offended you, or anybody else on the forum.

 

[thelawnet]

Law, I offer my sincerest apologies for coming across as being rude. That was not my intention. On the land side, I am definately a seasoned professional. On the online side, I am a novice that has lost thousands.

To answer your question, the sites that have not provided me with audits:

1. Lucky Emporer (CR Group)
2. Any of the Cirrus, Cool Cat conglomerate sites
3. Sloto Cash
4. Any of the Parlay gaming sites
5. Villento Group
7. Red Flush
8. Fortune Lounge

This is just a few. When I say I have spent thousands - I mean that literally. The only site that I have been able to cash out on was Doyles (when they were running MG). My experience at Doyles really spoke volumes to me regarding site payouts, related to the software - and by that token, meaning the casino itself (and not the software manufacturer) sets the payouts of the games. I can say with an iron clad guarantee that in Pennsylvania (for example) casinos, the only way to change the payout percentages is through the slot machine manufacturer.

Again, I am sorry if I offended you, or anybody else on the forum.

The Cirrus sites are fleapits. So I'm not surprised there.

And Parlay certainly used to be rogue. I'm not sure if that's changed as I haven't felt inclined to investigate.

The other casinos should be pretty good though. Why not name one casino out of those that you have given substantial play, and then proceed from there. Select one, and I would be quite surprised if you can't get logs from them.

I would also be surprised, if those logs show anything untoward, but I'm willing to be proved wrong, but be aware that I deal only in evidence-based claims. No 'I lost so it's rigged' claims.

 

[waynemasters]

Red Flush

I'll start with Red Flush. Deposited well over $2000, never once cashed out. They refuse to send me any audit reports with the raw figures.

I absolutely despise Red Flush, along with Fortune Lounge. I have filed a complaint with my Senators office to file a motion to ban their URL's from being accessed in the United States. Believe it or not, this actually might happen in the near future. My contacting their office was one of the best things I ever did, not just for a way of making my voice heard and to get back at these casinos, but to make sure that somebody else isn't going to be taken advantage of by these people again. 3 states have already completely blocked accessing gaming sites here in the states - Kentucky, Illinois and Minnesota.

If these sites just kept things honest, they would 1) have a great customer base for life, and 2) they would build a solid foundation for the industry going forward.