No more RTG for me.

[gokkie]

The most frustrating part of playing RTG slots is when you hit a downward streak that never seems to end which takes your money so fast you can't believe it.

RTG by itself is very streaky so you may hit a downward streak more than once.

When you are experiencing such streaks RTG slots can become very frustrating.

You must have a good bankroll that can cope with these streaks or lowering bet sizes may give you some more play.

I have had some very bad streaks but also some very nice wins. Overall I am down quite a bit but that is to be expected because the house has a big edge.

Just make sure you have fun in the process. Playing RTG slots should be entertainment.
If RTG slots bring you no entertainment at all, then quit playing them may the best option.

 

[TOC]

Your wrong my friend.

I don't work for them, sorry your wrong. Copied this for you..

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As you can see I took the bonus too and played the requirements!

The only grip I had was eWalletXpress charged me $9.00 when I withdrew $100.00 from my account. Oh well. BTW - I'm not bragging here, just pointing out that you can win at RTG casino's and this thread has been rather abusing. Thanks.

 

[silcnlayc]

[just pointing out that you can win at RTG casino's /QUOTE]

HUH???. Of course a select few will win at any given casino. That is not the point. But to have a few win, many must be losers at RTG and that is what has come up for questioning. Why is it that the same select few continue to win at most of the RTG's, including the randoms and many that have played for numerous years never once catch one while the newbies catch them over and over again? Are these people marked with a star or something to continue to win? Something stinks with this brand and it isn't my garbage.
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[Deeplay]

HUH???. Of course a select few will win at any given casino. That is not the point. But to have a few win, many must be losers at RTG and that is what has come up for questioning. Why is it that the same select few continue to win at most of the RTG's, including the randoms and many that have played for numerous years never once catch one while the newbies catch them over and over again? Are these people marked with a star or something to continue to win? Something stinks with this brand and it isn't my garbage.
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Well I dont think they actually choose who wins and who dont And I cant see it being a select few. More like just plain bad luck on your part. All reputable casinos have the built in house edge so they are always up. Sooner or later you are gonna win and loose. Long term most loose. Its quite a commical comment you made above as what sense on earth would it make for a casino to target its loyal long term players with never being able to win. All that said n done I dont hit RGTS anymore really now but not for the reasons outlined in this thread. If ya aint hitting take a break or move on to pastures greener. Thats ma 10cents for the day on this issue

 

[silcnlayc]

Well I dont think they actually choose who wins and who dont

Sure they do. It has just been recently (last 2 years or less) that more and more newbies are hitting the randoms MULTIPLE times which has been unheard of before. Look at the signups and READ the winning screenshots. NEWBIES are winning....these jackpots...could it be that maybe, just maybe they are related to the casinos themselves??? I have often wondered that since the older established players have never won one or a very FEW in all the years I have been playing.

More like just plain bad luck on your part

15 years and counting...must be a really bad run of luck huh?? LMAO!

Its quite a commical comment you made above as what sense on earth would it make for a casino to target its loyal long term players with never being able to win

What is comical is you believing they are on the up and up, you must have just started playing and do not know how they USED to be and so if you are interested I would like to sell you some swampland .

If ya aint hitting take a break or move on to pastures greener. Thats ma 10cents for the day on this issue

Well thank you for your permission, but that really is lame advice because I have already gone to greener pastures. I am here to help others understand that these games have CHANGED big time for no reason given. Only newer players (could these players belong to the casinos) are actually winning anything big (such as the randoms).

I questioned two randoms that were at the highest ever, at Inetbet a while ago that I played for almost 45 days straight, but every day, different coin denominations, to see if I would be the lucky one to catch it or if my thoughts were right..that only a newbie would hit it...I played for many hours and had it on auto...think about it...(approximately) 45 days STRAIGHT! I stopped and within an hour the SAME day they were hit. By a newbie...so I closed my account at INet and uninstalled 95 % of RTG's (saved one or two for fun play) because that was when I KNEW something stunk in RTG town...

Have a nice day....and keep believing!

 

[Copperpot]

It /must/ choose who wins as all i see is the same old people in the winner screen shots (good luck to them). And i'm trying so hard to make a withdrawal, high rolling, low rolling, every rolling you can think of. & i don't even see a win worthy of winners screen shots.

I've played at /every/ RTG that's accredited at CM & the only withdrawal i've had was of a free chip. I can actually count on one hand how many withdrawals i've had since i started just before xmas.

I've just deposited 3x at an MG casino today & didn't once go above my balance.

 

[Deeplay]

Sure they do. It has just been recently (last 2 years or less) that more and more newbies are hitting the randoms MULTIPLE times which has been unheard of before. Look at the signups and READ the winning screenshots. NEWBIES are winning....these jackpots...could it be that maybe, just maybe they are related to the casinos themselves??? I have often wondered that since the older established players have never won one or a very FEW in all the years I have been playing. 15 years and counting...must be a really bad run of luck huh?? LMAO!What is comical is you believing they are on the up and up, you must have just started playing and do not know how they USED to be and so if you are interested I would like to sell you some swampland .Well thank you for your permission, but that really is lame advice because I have already gone to greener pastures. I am here to help others understand that these games have CHANGED big time for no reason given. Only newer players (could these players belong to the casinos) are actually winning anything big (such as the randoms).

I questioned two randoms that were at the highest ever, at Inetbet a while ago that I played for almost 45 days straight, but every day, different coin denominations, to see if I would be the lucky one to catch it or if my thoughts were right..that only a newbie would hit it...I played for many hours and had it on auto...think about it...(approximately) 45 days STRAIGHT! I stopped and within an hour the SAME day they were hit. By a newbie...so I closed my account at INet and uninstalled 95 % of RTG's (saved one or two for fun play) because that was when I KNEW something stunk in RTG town...

Have a nice day....and keep believing!

Or maybe just more people connected to the net these days and gambling is on the up as a passtime addiction or what ever so sure they are more players now than say 5 years ago.

I have been gambling since 13. Me old man showed me how to play the slots - can you belive that lol but it was when the world was not so PC. Then around 6 years ago I switched on to online gambling Im certainly not on the up if I take all my gambling for my whole life more like way down. But this year so far Im up - by a decent margin.

Each to their own opinion but I think its really down to bad luck or good luck. I do notice quite a few of your posts are similar where you seem to be having a real rough ride. Hope it turns good for you soon. But if you really think the accredited casinos from here are fixed in some way my advise has to be dont play their Love n hugs to all n sundry ... now I need a VOD / OJ

 

[Dinahnana]

Done with RTG also

It /must/ choose who wins as all i see is the same old people in the winner screen shots (good luck to them). And i'm trying so hard to make a withdrawal, high rolling, low rolling, every rolling you can think of. & i don't even see a win worthy of winners screen shots.

I've played at /every/ RTG that's accredited at CM & the only withdrawal i've had was of a free chip. I can actually count on one hand how many withdrawals i've had since i started just before xmas.

I've just deposited 3x at an MG casino today & didn't once go above my balance.

I too think I am done with RTG's. This weekend I deposited at Slot Oasis and Cherry Red. Lost the money faster than you can blink. Where have all the bonus round go? So I decided to give Jackpot City a chance there and deposited 4 times. No luck there either. I enjoyed RTGS in the past because the bonus rounds were cool and happend on a regular basis. Now I am lucky to get a bonus round and if I do I win a very small amount. Slots used to be a bit loser but about a month ago they tightend up considerably. I think if I deposit any money with them then I can just kiss it goodbye. RTGS are no longer any fun to play so I say adios to them!

 

[Marlow]

Sure they do. It has just been recently (last 2 years or less) that more and more newbies are hitting the randoms MULTIPLE times which has been unheard of before. Look at the signups and READ the winning screenshots. NEWBIES are winning....these jackpots...could it be that maybe, just maybe they are related to the casinos themselves??? I have often wondered that since the older established players have never won one or a very FEW in all the years I have been playing. 15 years and counting...must be a really bad run of luck huh?? LMAO!What is comical is you believing they are on the up and up, you must have just started playing and do not know how they USED to be and so if you are interested I would like to sell you some swampland .Well thank you for your permission, but that really is lame advice because I have already gone to greener pastures. I am here to help others understand that these games have CHANGED big time for no reason given. Only newer players (could these players belong to the casinos) are actually winning anything big (such as the randoms).

I questioned two randoms that were at the highest ever, at Inetbet a while ago that I played for almost 45 days straight, but every day, different coin denominations, to see if I would be the lucky one to catch it or if my thoughts were right..that only a newbie would hit it...I played for many hours and had it on auto...think about it...(approximately) 45 days STRAIGHT! I stopped and within an hour the SAME day they were hit. By a newbie...so I closed my account at INet and uninstalled 95 % of RTG's (saved one or two for fun play) because that was when I KNEW something stunk in RTG town...

Have a nice day....and keep believing!

Don't feel bad Sil, I've played at RTG's (up until 6 weeks ago) for 5 years. Never have won a random and have only had 1 withdrawal. All RTG's are off my computer. Well..all casinos are off my computer now.

Next time I get an RTG ( or any other casino) urge, I'll give my hubby the 100.00 bucks, he can kick me in the behind and we'll call it a day.

 

[silcnlayc]

Next time I get an RTG ( or any other casino) urge, I'll give my hubby the 100.00 bucks, he can kick me in the behind and we'll call it a day.

Too funny! Thanks

Right now I am having a great time. Had quite a few withdrawals from a select few casinos that I have kept open. I weeded out all the money suckers and closed them down.

I am actually enjoying playing again. I do not know why in the world I had so many RTG's (except mabybe hoping for a decent withdrawal) but that is cleaned up too. I found that I didn't need more than 1 or 2 for fun mode so all the rest are pretty much history, even the ones I had for MANY, MANY YEARS.

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[casinojack]

Ask the op of they will tell you what the slots are set at. Progressives they cannot control. but many of them they can.

One other thing to look out for, and note. Many times they set the $$ amount wagered and the slot machine...

example: Slot machine A, play $0.25, payout is set to 97%
Slot machine A, play $5.00, payout is set to 91%

Or whatever, some casinos will not disclose, other change to often, just my 2 cents.

 

[funeral979]

Too funny! Thanks

Right now I am having a great time. Had quite a few withdrawals from a select few casinos that I have kept open. I weeded out all the money suckers and closed them down.

I am actually enjoying playing again. I do not know why in the world I had so many RTG's (except mabybe hoping for a decent withdrawal) but that is cleaned up too. I found that I didn't need more than 1 or 2 for fun mode so all the rest are pretty much history, even the ones I had for MANY, MANY YEARS.

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So you managed to win some money so now all is well? I have followed your posts for quite some time now and noticed that you have made that same comment about players having a 'star' by their name. I understand that you are a bitter loser.....but that is a bit far-fetched.

I think maybe the reason you see the same players with nice screenshots is probably because they play everyday, and more than likely lose everyday.

I can say I have won 3 random jackpots playing at RTG....over the course of about 10 years.....but the only star by name probably says sucker on it, as I am down about $20,000 over those 10 years with RTG.

 

[RobWin]

Ask the op of they will tell you what the slots are set at. Progressives they cannot control. but many of them they can.

One other thing to look out for, and note. Many times they set the $$ amount wagered and the slot machine...

example: Slot machine A, play $0.25, payout is set to 97%
Slot machine A, play $5.00, payout is set to 91%

Or whatever, some casinos will not disclose, other change to often, just my 2 cents.

Where the hell is Dogboy at right now...

 

[bb28]

Ask the op of they will tell you what the slots are set at. Progressives they cannot control. but many of them they can.

One other thing to look out for, and note. Many times they set the $$ amount wagered and the slot machine...

example: Slot machine A, play $0.25, payout is set to 97%
Slot machine A, play $5.00, payout is set to 91%

Or whatever, some casinos will not disclose, other change to often, just my 2 cents.

True for brick & mortars but is that true for online slots? Ooooo dogboy???

 

[silcnlayc]

So you managed to win some money so now all is well?

Maybe I didn't say it correctly. I have been winning all along at the select few that I have been a member of for years that are NOT RTG"S, and unlike the RTG's that I belonged to for many years since their changes/updates/upgrades.

I have followed your posts for quite some time now and noticed that you have made that same comment about players having a 'star' by their name. I understand that you are a bitter loser.....but that is a bit far-fetched.

Actually , reading through your ENTIRE post, I get the feeling that you seem very bitter about something IMO. Once again, maybe I did not expand on my information.

I am not bitter because I lost. Far from it! I am angry because the casinos from RTG have changed their games payout/play without notice and pretty much lied (IMO) all along about it even though I have broken my milk teeth on this brand over a decade ago and know how they used to play/pay and once was my most favorite style of casino and they ruined all fun with them..from greed (again, only my opinion).

I think maybe the reason you see the same players with nice screenshots is probably because they play everyday, and more than likely lose everyday.

?? That makes no sense at all for I also have screenshots from before the numerous updates RTG continues to do.

I can say I have won 3 random jackpots playing at RTG....over the course of about 10 years

Are you bragging or complaining?? Just be grateful, very , very grateful, because not many can claim this honor, and maybe you did have that little star by your name? LOL.

 

[casinojack]

True for brick & mortars but is that true for online slots? Ooooo dogboy???

yes is 100% true and accurate.

 

[bb28]

yes is 100% true and accurate.

And, you know this, how? If you are going to make statements like that, back it up with some facts, please. Speculation doesn't count.

 

[RobWin]

And, you know this, how? If you are going to make statements like that, back it up with some facts, please. Speculation doesn't count.

casinojack has been involved at various different levels of the online gaming world for the past 10 years now. Most recently as an affiliate manager.

 

[bb28]

casinojack has been involved at various different levels of the online gaming world for the past 10 years now. Most recently as an affiliate manager.

Well that makes me even more curious to hear what he/she has to say.

 

[casinojack]

Well that makes me even more curious to hear what he/she has to say.

This help? Partial screen shot? This is no secret, all casino do this, land and internet based.

 

[bb28]

This help? Partial screen shot? This is no secret, all casino do this, land and internet based.

No I'm sorry that didn't help. The screenie shows 97% all the way across.
I'm not trying to be a smartass really......I'm really interested in what you have to share.
I've read in numerous places and I think it's an undisputed fact that landbased casino's do have different payouts set for different machines, example = a row of 12, 5 of them are 95%, 1 is 98%, 6 are 93% so they can say that this section pays up to 98% and it's all above board but I don't recall ever reading anywhere that the same can be done for online slots.

Are you saying that (stupid made up name here), let's call it the Bang for you buck slot has different payouts when playing different bet -coin size?

 

[funeral979]

Are you bragging or complaining?? Just be grateful, very , very grateful, because not many can claim this honor, and maybe you did have that little star by your name? LOL.

Well I am hardly bragging, as you left out the part of how much I have lost over the years. I think you maybe you missed the point of my post. Just because someone hit one, or many, random jackpots does not mean that they have a 'star' by their name.....or even that they were lucky.

I elaborated in a post quite some time ago that all my randoms were hit under rather unusual circumstances. Most notably at Vegas Casino Online where I was a customer for almost 10 years, and threatened to close my account.....and I was then awarded a manager bonus.... and about a half an hour later I hit a RJ.

So believe me, I do think there is some great manipulation done behind the scenes.....whether manipulating the players or the games, it is happening. Nothing will ever be done about it, so I just leave well enough alone.

 

[casinojack]

No I'm sorry that didn't help. The screenie shows 97% all the way across.
I'm not trying to be a smartass really......I'm really interested in what you have to share.
I've read in numerous places and I think it's an undisputed fact that landbased casino's do have different payouts set for different machines, example = a row of 12, 5 of them are 95%, 1 is 98%, 6 are 93% so they can say that this section pays up to 98% and it's all above board but I don't recall ever reading anywhere that the same can be done for online slots.

Are you saying that (stupid made up name here), let's call it the Bang for you buck slot has different payouts when playing different bet -coin size?

Well, last thing I cna offer you, is PM me and ill do a video of my desktop and show you more information, but I think would not be a great idea

however, the reason it shows that PER line is cause it is able to be changed by a casino manager. This particular casino offers 97% on all games it is able to. That is why you see it like that. I can go in and change for purpose of screen shot, but not going to. You can appreciate I need to be careful what I show and don't show I am sure...

Any rate, Any other Ops can speak up and tell you this is the truth. I believe in transparency, and have only worked as an aff manager one time, and about to again next week or so.....

Sorry this didn't live up to your expectations, but I feel you are splitting hairs

 

[bb28]

Thanks for the effort CasinoJack.

 

[deucebag]

This help? Partial screen shot? This is no secret, all casino do this, land and internet based.

Thanks for your input, casinojack. What are the different settings for RTG slots? As I recall there are three different settings, I assume 97% is the highest? What is the lowest?

The fact that RTG operators can and do change the slot payback at will is a major trust problem for me as a player. Why don't we see these kinds of threads about MG casinos? Granted, they don't publish theoretical payback, but the slots are not configurable by the operators. We know that the slots stay the same from one day to the next.

 

[casinojack]

good question, but it is the same

I think lowest is 91% ? But I am not somewhere I can check this moment.

I will tell you this: After seeing a lot of software that's takes USA players, backend and front, RTG does some great things, for the player and operator. My fav:

Lets say i want free money games to pay out 99.9999% and then when players deposits, I keep it all !! YOU CANT!! RTG is very fair this way, odd and setting on free money same as real money.

Also, I like their blackjack. I think 8 decks is good, but if I want to move it to 200 decks I could. Would be retarded, but you could.

At days end remember this. Casino are there to make money, of course. The house wins. Play at RTG casino where they publish things like slots 97%, ( at elast on some of the games) decks in blackjack, etc.

I won't work for anyone who does not. Nor would I play them.

SIDENOTE: all those huge network progressives, RTG pays the players, not the operator So if you win a million bucks, you will get paid!!

 

[Dinahnana]

SIDENOTE: all those huge network progressives, RTG pays the players, not the operator So if you win a million bucks, you will get paid!!

Casinojack do you know if the payout percentage is higer on the progressive slots?
I have played both Aztec Millions and Jackpot Pinatas at several casinos and noticed you get to the free spin and more money faster on Aztec Millions than you do at Jackpot Pinatas most of the time.

 

[addaminsane]

attracting play with good games but tight payout seems like they chose a good business plan for them!

It appears lots of people continue to play there cuz of the games...

 

[Kenny Lingus]

Just remember: It's all b*llsh*t. You are gonna lose unless you are one of the .01% that gets really lucky.

What changed for me, and why I no longer play at online casinos, is that the casinos USED to let you win on more than a chance occasion, but no longer. The casinos are out for blood, and they don't give the average player a prayer anymore.

So f*ck'em. I will not give these b*st*rds any more of my money. I now play free tourneys, and small stakes poker.

And you know what? I don't miss it. None of it. Especially my money!

 

[Deeplay]

Just remember: It's all b*llsh*t. You are gonna lose unless you are one of the .01% that gets really lucky.

What changed for me, and why I no longer play at online casinos, is that the casinos USED to let you win on more than a chance occasion, but no longer. The casinos are out for blood, and they don't give the average player a prayer anymore.

So f*ck'em. I will not give these b*st*rds any more of my money. I now play free tourneys, and small stakes poker.

And you know what? I don't miss it. None of it. Especially my money!

Oh dear we are angry are we not. Casinos dont choose to let you win or loose they dont need to. Built in house edge etc. They will always win long term on the whole , and I doubt if they really care who wins and who dont apart from maybe if its a person who is vocal on the forums then its good for them to get the name out with xxx user saying thanks for a big hit. For every winner their is a looser and visa versa.

 

[Kenny Lingus]

For every winner their is a looser and visa versa.

Exactly how I like my women - looser!

And you keep thinking that, it's exactly what the casinos want. But for every winner, there are more like 1000 losers.

But hey, you, yes you -I'm not just saying this - you could be the next internet jackpot millionaire!

 

[casinojack]

Casinojack do you know if the payout percentage is higer on the progressive slots?
I have played both Aztec Millions and Jackpot Pinatas at several casinos and noticed you get to the free spin and more money faster on Aztec Millions than you do at Jackpot Pinatas most of the time.

That I do not know, sorry. Those are unable to be adjusted on the operator side. I can double check tomorrow to be sure..

 

[The Dude]

Admin note: posting privileged information

This help? Partial screen shot? This is no secret, all casino do this, land and internet based.

Before posting screenshots of RTG's backend (or any software provider for that matter), please request their permission before doing so. Thanks!

 

[casinojack]

Before posting screenshots of RTG's backend (or any software provider for that matter), please request their permission before doing so. Thanks!

Sure, sorry about that.....is why i did a partial, thought would be ok

 

[slotheadlizard]

Thanks

Thanks for all of your help with our RTG questions. I hadn't thought about the fact that you may get into trouble. Maybe if anyone else has questions they can PM you.

 

[pokerbaronX]

Anyone never hit any kind of JACKPOT on RTG if you play with bonus?

 

[Dinahnana]

That I do not know, sorry. Those are unable to be adjusted on the operator side. I can double check tomorrow to be sure..

Thanks Casino Jack. I just played at Grande Vegas and my money went pooof. Took like 60 spins on aztec millionare and little payback. Coyote cash just ate up my money. I should probably lay off the RTG's a while since I never seem to get anywhere with them. I think all of the RTG's have gotten much tighter recently.

 

[Rusty]

If 91% is the lowest setting I am one seriously unlucky moffo! :axeman2:

 

[slotheadlizard]

MOFFO

If 91% is the lowest setting I am one seriously unlucky moffo! :axeman2:

 

[3cardpoker]

I haven't played at a RTG in 2 years. I don't care what anyone says. RTG games are not right. Streaky my Butt! I closed all accounts from Inetbet to Club World. And don't miss them. I don't care how good their support team is or how fast they pay out. RTG software isn't right. Closing my accounts was the right thing to do. I walked away and NEVER went back. The random jackpot is a joke. You have better odds buying a lottery ticket or playing bingo. Rival software also! I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole. It's either Microgaming for me or Poker.

 

[sparkles]

Yep its lights out

for me at all but one now, I like to give the benefit of the doubt, but this particular one (I had 2 rtgs left) they are normally so speedy at cashouts its not funny, not now it seems, I after lots of blood and sweat managed to cashout $150 on Thursday, only to be told I would not see it till next week.

Thought okay Ill play it (dumb I know) might even build it up (dumb I know), so once reversed, not a bonus round seen, though I did see three 2 x my bet, and one 5 x my bet.

They used to be such great software, its such a shame greed climbed in.