New hilarious "random" results from MG

[Rusty]

This actually made me laugh out loud.
Just the minimum $20 deposit super low rolling for hopefully a little fun - not a chance.

Bear in mind in times gone by I never had any results, in hundreds of deposits, bearing any resemblance to what I commonly get now with just the odd deposit.

Hitman 70+spins in and not yet won even money.
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After 90 spins I had actually hit 1 spin that paid .36c. My highest

Switched to Lord of the rings, same thing, no wins paying even money let alone a feature or real win.
Here is my $20 deposit playlog from 1st spin to last.
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So my best return was .45c off a 30c bet, cool.

I wonder why some people think all is not well with online gaming?

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

LOL that is why i am starting up a website now, starting some affiliate work.... but my main goal will be Bookmakers and poker. Because Casinos are dying now.... why continue wasting my money when i can start earning money getting people to use bookmakers, poker rooms and yes casinos,

 

[just play]

I'm surprised your not from the USA Rusty.

I thought it was only us getting screwed.

 

[Nifty29]

Hi Rusty

You do realise that Hitman is very high variance, and that LOTR isnt a lot better?

The session you post isnt a good one that is for sure, but 90 spins on one and about 60 on the other is nowhere near enough to start making accusations that MG slots arent random IMO.

Ive never said there is anything wrong with complaining about a bad session, which is what you are doing, but drawing conclusions about the overall fairness of the games based on those kinds of figures doesnt hold water. Im sure I remember you saying previously that you were a 'sciencey' type - why not put together 6+ months of all your play for everyone. It would sure be a good indicator one way or the other, and if it showed what you are suggesting I would be forced to reconsider my views, and Im sure others would follow suit. Of course, they would have to encompass every spin on every slot at every casino.....not selective like some here have been known to share to spruik their own business etc.

You could even update it monthly or weekly etc. Personal info could be removed and even specific casinos etc if you like - I dont think for a minute you are a liar so Im happy to accept what you provide based on your word.

Interested?

 

[Smokeycasino]

Atleast you get to play those, us Americans get the low budget version

 

[Rusty]

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[Rusty]

Hey Nifty,
I was going to post a very patronising reply but I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
Firstly I did not say MG slots are not random - I have never said they are not random. All I ever state is that they are weighted.
Ive never said I was a "sciency type" either whatever that is.

Now, I think it is fair to say not winning more than x1 your bet on any spin in over 100 spins is pretty funny stuff.

I have had a good run before at Golden Reef before (never bothered them with a cashout) but the streaks are way off the scale of what one might expect.
I'm not talking about RTP either.
For example that last deposit, though a very small sample was about 25% RTP (and that was including winning free spins) but more importantly not one spin won me more than I bet.

Now here is the same playlog extended to nearly 600 spins starting after a $14 bonus round win.
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I didn't bother calculating the RTP but I'm pretty sure it is below 50% over around 600 spins but again the lack of common wins is unusual - not one win amounted to over 10Xbet and only 2 got close. Yes Two from nearly 600.
If you consider that is just natural variance then that is up to you.

I really can't be bothered keeping score but I think it is fair to say any of the casinos I say that I have poor stats on would set the record straight if I wasn't telling the truth. (I would not speak of my wins or post winner screenshots if I was dishonest)
I have closed a lot of accounts lately but I can tell you I was getting about 50% RTP last month after a cashout across all software over many thousands of spins and over at least 20 deposits.

I'm not really making statements about the RTP anyway (although over millions of spins I am nowhere near the advertised RTP), rather what appears to be artificial variance, better known as dynamic weighting in Rusty speak.

You really should ask yourself why I would bother making this stuff up when I have nothing to gain, I mean if I was winning and/or getting 97% RTP and/or thought the variance was natural do you really think I would be posting this stuff an pissing those casinos off?

I'm not making a statement with these playlogs, just an observation.
You will be sure to know the difference between my observations and statements if you have read some of my more in depth posts.

 

[asianeyes]

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Hi, Rusty. I'm from the U.K. too and have been getting more or less the same results on many of the MG games now for about the last 12 months or so.

One final note, ive been playing MG for about 3 1\2 yrs now and have noticed the difference in decline.

 

[Bencuri]

This actually made me laugh out loud.
Just the minimum $20 deposit super low rolling for hopefully a little fun - not a chance.

Bear in mind in times gone by I never had any results, in hundreds of deposits, bearing any resemblance to what I commonly get now with just the odd deposit.

Hitman 70+spins in and not yet won even money.
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After 90 spins I had actually hit 1 spin that paid .36c. My highest

Switched to Lord of the rings, same thing, no wins paying even money let alone a feature or real win.
Here is my $20 deposit playlog from 1st spin to last.
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So my best return was .45c off a 30c bet, cool.

I wonder why some people think all is not well with online gaming?

I think it doesn't surprise anybody, or most of the people who tried Micro. It only suprises the affiliates, but I guess not by heart, just in as a form of campaign politics.

I don't have such exact notes about my playing session, but if I had one, it would convergate to yours in results.

 

[Seventh777]

I have played at more MG casinos than I can remember, and i`m 100% with the OP on this one, nothing brings this anomaly more to the surface than Thunderstruck II, once you have hit a certain amount of achievements or whatever triggers it, that`s it, closed shop, and the big win pop up has just been made redundant, but are we not rtards for spending an unhealthy amount of cash to prime a slot (via achievements) as to unlock it`s ability to pay out a jackpot?<----------Think hard about that lol.

A plain and simple test, everyone has that certain slot that you turn to when things are going bad, your rock, your saviour, your old faithful, hell you even have a pet name for it, you know this slots behavioural patterns better than your wives/husbands/bf`s/gf`s etc (mine is Mermaids Millions), now if, like me, you have noticed a complete change in their payout patterns dating from around the new software updates, and you are thinking you have lost the plot, you haven`t, there are many MG casinos out there running the old software, several are Brands like Virgin, Ladbrokes, Purple Lounge etc etc.

If you are members of any of those, go play your beloved slot, and once again be reminded of the good old days when dropping 4 scatters in was more common for MM than landing 3 .

There have imho been dramatic changes in MG`s software and the one I notice way more than the others is that day when nothing goes wrong, you can turn 10 credits into 1000 without breaking sweat, the amount of features has been blatantly reduced in favour of more wild related wins, if like me you have caught a slot like Reel Strike in bonus frenzy mode and made £500 in 3-5 minutes you will see this a lot clearer, these days have long gone.

Just my $2.

 

[pmhcfc]

I have played at more MG casinos than I can remember, and i`m 100% with the OP on this one, nothing brings this anomaly more to the surface than Thunderstruck II, once you have hit a certain amount of achievements or whatever triggers it, that`s it, closed shop, and the big win pop up has just been made redundant, but are we not rtards for spending an unhealthy amount of cash to prime a slot (via achievements) as to unlock it`s ability to pay out a jackpot?<----------Think hard about that lol.

A plain and simple test, everyone has that certain slot that you turn to when things are going bad, your rock, your saviour, your old faithful, hell you even have a pet name for it, you know this slots behavioural patterns better than your wives/husbands/bf`s/gf`s etc (mine is Mermaids Millions), now if, like me, you have noticed a complete change in their payout patterns dating from around the new software updates, and you are thinking you have lost the plot, you haven`t, there are many MG casinos out there running the old software, several are Brands like Virgin, Ladbrokes, Purple Lounge etc etc.

If you are members of any of those, go play your beloved slot, and once again be reminded of the good old days when dropping 4 scatters in was more common for MM than landing 3 .

There have imho been dramatic changes in MG`s software and the one I notice way more than the others is that day when nothing goes wrong, you can turn 10 credits into 1000 without breaking sweat, the amount of features has been blatantly reduced in favour of more wild related wins, if like me you have caught a slot like Reel Strike in bonus frenzy mode and made £500 in 3-5 minutes you will see this a lot clearer, these days have long gone.

Just my $2.

Totally agree with everything you say, and I've been playing MG for a decade..Well, that was up until I stopped playing altogether, once I saw
the light and not a moment too soon I might add.

 

[kauphy]

good i thought i was the only one feeling this way.

nice to see i,m in good company.

i like to gamble but gezzzzz even i,m getting tried of losing all the time or if your lucky enough to get the bonus rounds only winning next to nothing.

just play i also told my hubby it had to have something to do with us in the u.s

i,m almost to the point that i,m going to stop for awhile when it no fun anymore why play.

 

[De Beuker]

My results on MG have been terrible too lately.
Apart from one small cashout, all deposits+bonuses were one way traffic.

Took the 100% at 32RED tonight, so 100.- startingbalance.
Thought that would keep me busy for the night.
Playing only 0.18 per spin still managed to bust after 2 hours.
One freespinround on Centrecourt paid 46x bet, that was the best win.
Played at least 10 different slots.
No excitement, no recovery, just straight down to zero.

My last session at Spin Palace was even worse.
80.- startingbalance, 0.18 and 0.27 spins, busted in less than an hour, made a total of 816 spins . Only ONE freespinround triggered which paid 50x bet, at the end of the session, it was because of that FSround that my RTP for that session did not drop below 40%.

I play the 9-liners most of the time, Adventure Palace, AJ Blonde, Spring Break, Thunderstruck, Tally-Ho, Jewels of the Orient, BDBA, CentreCourt..
I used to do great on these slots. Not always winning ofcourse, but loads of playtime, and regular cashouts.

Now its always the same scenario.
The first 20 spins I get a linewin or FSround that pays between 5-20x bet, immediately followed by 20-30 losingspins.

Free spins are rare, but what I found even more worrieng is the amount of freespinrounds that pay zilch, nothing.
15 dead spins in a row.
Used to be exceptional, now it seems to be the norm.

I hate to say it, but lately playing MG gives me an RTG feeling.

 

[Rusty]

My results on MG have been terrible too lately.
Apart from one small cashout, all deposits+bonuses were one way traffic.

Took the 100% at 32RED tonight, so 100.- startingbalance.
Thought that would keep me busy for the night.
Playing only 0.18 per spin still managed to bust after 2 hours.
One freespinround on Centrecourt paid 46x bet, that was the best win.
Played at least 10 different slots.
No excitement, no recovery, just straight down to zero.

My last session at Spin Palace was even worse.
80.- startingbalance, 0.18 and 0.27 spins, busted in less than an hour, made a total of 816 spins . Only ONE freespinround triggered which paid 50x bet, at the end of the session, it was because of that FSround that my RTP for that session did not drop below 40%.

I play the 9-liners most of the time, Adventure Palace, AJ Blonde, Spring Break, Thunderstruck, Tally-Ho, Jewels of the Orient, BDBA, CentreCourt..
I used to do great on these slots. Not always winning ofcourse, but loads of playtime, and regular cashouts.

Now its always the same scenario.
The first 20 spins I get a linewin or FSround that pays between 5-20x bet, immediately followed by 20-30 losingspins.

Free spins are rare, but what I found even more worrieng is the amount of freespinrounds that pay zilch, nothing.
15 dead spins in a row.
Used to be exceptional, now it seems to be the norm.

I hate to say it, but lately playing MG gives me an RTG feeling.

Funny you mention that.
Just played LOTR (another turd I'm afraid) hit the free spins on only second spin, won a huge x8 bet which was immediately swallowed by consecutive losing spins. Never even saw 2 rings together after that.
I don't know why but somehow a slot that pays .4c on .60c spin occasionally doesn't seem that entertaining.
Also what you say about MGS playing like RTG these days is very true and RTG in turn plays more like Rival - that says it all really.

I am down to one or two small deposits a week now, all casinos.

 

[Seventh777]

It`s not rocket science to see what MG have opted for as this aspect is clearly visible in all their new slots, outrageous multipliers in favour of little and often wins which are the bread and butter of slot playing, all the new games normal wins are pathetic, the top none special character win in TSII is a meagre 500 and 5 wilds is a mind boggling 1000, but here is the bait a 5 reel wildstorm yields 2,400,000 coin jackpot, but no chance of that, however, there are two out of the 4 free spins features that have a unbelievable payout range, Loki`s feature has the capability to give you an identical 5 reel wildstorm win, Odin`s feature - say if the relative blues land that all have the same character ie Aces,which yields 2x2x2x2 = 16 winning lines of Aces, the 1st Raven flies and hits the symbol underneath the solo Ace, we now have 2x2x2x2x2 = 32, now the 2nd Raven flies and buffs the none Ace or wilds in one of the reels, we now have 3x2x2x2x2 = 48 with a x6 multiplier from the Raven = 288 winning lines of Aces and other random wins, this ladies and gentlemen is what we now play for.

In reality - It takes so bloody long to proc a feature these days the pathetic returns do not even cover the cost of getting it.

Not to sure if any of you know of GoWild`s ongoing free spin machine?, anyway`s here it is when it was just 5 slots there are now 7 slots....

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I capped all 5 once for maximum spins on a 150 deposit, such was my feat all the chat agents call me Roy the spin machine lol, I defy anyone to cap TSII and any 1 from the remaining 4 slots, nowadays for the same deposit you would do exceptionally well just to cap TSII.

 

[Rusty]

Certainly the new games are higher variance with a lot of the RTP tied up in very infrequent occurrences.
My problem is that I don't believe the variance is honest.
I am sure that the theoretical RTP resolved from the paytable and reel strips matches but it would be a huge oversight(one that happened in the past) if it didn't.
No way on this Earth are the feature triggering scatter symbols not weighted and no way are the free spins just independent spins with any result equally possible each spin.
IMO the reason the new slots are high variance slots is all smoke and mirrors designed to disguise the fact that we are being made monkeys of.

The only half decent slot MG have released this year is Lions pride.
Still, all the software is designed in a similar way and they are all playing more and more like each other every passing year.
The same streakiness and vanishing scatter and wild syndrome.

PS
The max winning combinations for a 5 reel slot with 3 symbols per reel in view is 243. (3x3x3x3x3)

 

[Seventh777]

Certainly the new games are higher variance with a

PS
The max winning combinations for a 5 reel slot with 3 symbols per reel in view is 243. (3x3x3x3x3)

Aye I know that Rusty , I was detailing the multipliers input ie 2nd Raven = x6 win, I agree 100% with everything else you stated, if people still believe in the BS we are spoon fed regarding RNG`s etc, why is it when playing TSII etc you see a helluva lot more wilds on reels 4 and 5 than 1 and 2 where they are useful?, or Keno - Play this game with a set stake for an hour 10-15 numbers and make a log of how many times you have broke even, then raise the stake x5 and see what happens.

It would be commercial suicide having no control whatsoever over features that in one spin could cure 3rd world debt.

 

[Rusty]

Aye I know that Rusty , I was detailing the multipliers input ie 2nd Raven = x6 win, I agree 100% with everything else you stated, if people still believe in the BS we are spoon fed regarding RNG`s etc, why is it when playing TSII etc you see a helluva lot more wilds on reels 4 and 5 than 1 and 2 where they are useful?, or Keno - Play this game with a set stake for an hour 10-15 numbers and make a log of how many times you have broke even, then raise the stake x5 and see what happens.

It would be commercial suicide having no control whatsoever over features that in one spin could cure 3rd world debt.

Sorry misread that bit.

 

[Seventh777]

Sorry misread that bit.

It`s cool .

Yesterday I was playing LOTR and pressed spin then clicked on the stats button, I noticed the top win and thought to myself I don`t remember hitting that, just as it landed, clear proof of pre-determined wins, now how would you prove this happened?, I just worked it out, go to any MG casino that has free play and start playing LOTR when 3 rings land quickly open the stats and watch, if you hit a bigger win than the top 3 in stats it appears pre spin .

An easier way I just tested is - set auto play up once it is going then click on stats and watch the wins appear way before they land.

 

[Rusty]

It`s cool .

Yesterday I was playing LOTR and pressed spin then clicked on the stats button, I noticed the top win and thought to myself I don`t remember hitting that, just as it landed, clear proof of pre-determined wins, now how would you prove this happened?, I just worked it out, go to any MG casino that has free play and start playing LOTR when 3 rings land quickly open the stats and watch, if you hit a bigger win than the top 3 in stats it appears pre spin .

An easier way I just tested is - set auto play up once it is going then click on stats and watch the wins appear way before they land.

That doesn't actually prove predetermined wins though it just means that the stat window was updated before the reel animation finished.
You could have a perfectly legitimate slot that paid out before it spun although it would be counter intuitive.
Remember the reel animations are only a graphical representation of the result returned by the RNG scaling algorithm.
Whether the result of that 5 number combination is calculated before or after the reels spin is a moot point when considering whether the results are fair but I guess in that sense all results are predetermined because the result is known before the reels spin.
Of course since the result is known prespin a slot could easily discard a favourable outcome and replace it with another while maintaining complete randomness but this would certainly be the very definition of a rigged slot.

 

[De Beuker]

Certainly the new games are higher variance with a lot of the RTP tied up in very infrequent occurrences.
My problem is that I don't believe the variance is honest.
I am sure that the theoretical RTP resolved from the paytable and reel strips matches but it would be a huge oversight(one that happened in the past) if it didn't.
No way on this Earth are the feature triggering scatter symbols not weighted and no way are the free spins just independent spins with any result equally possible each spin.
IMO the reason the new slots are high variance slots is all smoke and mirrors designed to disguise the fact that we are being made monkeys of.

The only half decent slot MG have released this year is Lions pride.
Still, all the software is designed in a similar way and they are all playing more and more like each other every passing year.
The same streakiness and vanishing scatter and wild syndrome.

PS
The max winning combinations for a 5 reel slot with 3 symbols per reel in view is 243. (3x3x3x3x3)

Cant agree more.
I've seen too many of those strange anomalies happen during free spins to believe these are random.
About 3 months ago I was playing Spring Break, hit the freespins and got 4 retriggers for a total of 75 freespins.
I swear, the 4 retriggering spins paid 15x bet each, from the remaining 71 spins 65 were dead spins, and the others gave the lowest possible payouts, 2oak, 3oak low paying symbols.
Not one single win with a wild. The wilds were AWOL.

Went to playcheck because I wanted to see and maybe post the results of that freespinround, and found out that it is not possible to see the outcome of freespins in playcheck.
Need more proof that its one predetermend package?

Same thing happened when I played First past the Post once, hit the 3 horses, and my horse won the race, so 25 freespins at x4.
The first 10 spins gave me 3 retriggers and around 100x bet in winnings.
So 90 spins at x4 remaining!
Huge payout? LOL, no, cannot remember exactly, but those 90 spins paid less than 40x bet.
After the last retrigger the game just started to unmatch reel 1 and 2, each and every spin, you must have seen it to believe it, but its true.
At least 70 dead spins in a row, only the last 20 spins I got a few lowpaying 3oak, 4oak.
I've never been so unhappy with a win over 100x bet.

If those were random results, than I'm the Pope.


About your dynamic weighting theory, I love it, it would explain everything.
The insane dry spells in which nothing happens, than all of a sudden its scatters everywhere.
How an event that is supposed to happen once every 130 spins does not happen in over 2000 spins.
And the next day it happens 8 times in 100 spins.

Slots have cycles they go through, no doubt about that.
Avalon for example.
If its eating your balance like candy, not giving any decent linewins, the freespins wont pay either.
But it if it gives the treasure chests and the crowns alot, 3oak, 4oak, 5oak, big chance you'll hit big in the freespins.
Just watch how a tournament evolves, you can clearly see the cycles there.
32RED's daily.
Changes in the top-30 always come together, nothing can happen for many hours and hundreds of people playing who are all getting the same lousy 30-40% return and then within 15-30 minutes there are all of a sudden many changes in the top spots.

Problem is, its next to impossible to prove anything, no matter how far outside of expectation the results sometimes are.
But for myself, I've seen too many strange, one-in-a-million chance things happen, both positive and negative, impossible wins and impossible losses, to still believe its all just random, that there is not some sort of control.

 

[Rusty]

I have made the same observation about reels 1 & 2 being unmatched for improbable periods of time, nearly always after a good win too.

As you say is nearly impossible to prove the RTP is set low but it is easier to show that probability of outcomes change during play. (dynamic weighting)
Easier because we can isolate events that have quite a high probability of occurring such as the wild symbol on reel one appearing on a winline.
Once you isolate positive events such as this and know their probability we can map their frequency against the average.

You could also do some analysis of anomalous negative events such as reel1 & 2 not matching by mapping the stop positions over this period and checking against other similar periods you have mapped.
It would be beneficial to map the results of reel 4 & 5 over the same period for comparison. You may discover something interesting but I have never done it to find out.

Now in the long term the hit frequency, of a wild for example, may still be within expected variance but if we only look at these events from the zenith of a win streak to the bottom of the following losing streak we see something quite different.
This is a very telling statistical anomaly.
We have to be careful though because there would be fewer wins as a natural consequence of the wild coincidently going AWOL but even factoring this in the results are revealing.
Nobody has to take my word for this, they can simply do it from their own results.

Another positive event would be a scatter symbol appearing and we can do the same thing with those.
This can be particularly useful on slots where the wild doubles as the bonus round giving scatter.
RTG slots consistently throw up the same anomalous data in this respect.

Still, even with all this is known many licensing jurisdictions would consider such slots fair as long as they maintained the random element and the RTP was within expected values.
Why they do not see the obvious potential for abuse and misrepresentation to the player I have no idea.
It is as if slot players are considered fair game for whatever comes their way - why should slot games have the highest house edge anyway?
Yup, slots players are considered fair game.

 

[vinylweatherman]

There are some MGS games that are even LESS random, and after taking 6 of them away last December, 4 have recently been put back

I just wonder what took them 10 months to "do" to these games, and will it be obvious

The pair that have NOT been put back were the most non-random ones of the whole lot, coincidence?

 

[Rusty]

There are some MGS games that are even LESS random, and after taking 6 of them away last December, 4 have recently been put back

I just wonder what took them 10 months to "do" to these games, and will it be obvious

The pair that have NOT been put back were the most non-random ones of the whole lot, coincidence?

You are talking about AWP games here I assume?

The thing is the AWP games are pseudo AWP and so over the top silly (which is probably why they can be exploited, especially with bonuses) that I can only conclude that their inclusion was calculated to give players the impression that the the non AWP games are by contrast very fair and surely not weighted.:notworthy
I mean the reason most UK players would play video slots is to get away from AWP games so I find it hard to believe there was any demand whatsoever for these games.

 

[steveh35]

There's definetly something going on with MG casinos theres now threads popping up all over from Hellboy to Moonshine my own experiences on Break The Bank Again, Cashville and Wheel of Wealth surely it cannot be coincidence that everyone is finding they are losing big style at these casinos.

On the flip side the last big win on the winners thread was an MG with a 4860 win so are we all just playing MG games at the wrong time?, are we just sore losers going through a bad run or have the MG casinos been tightened due to the economic climate someone from MG must be able to tell us under a false name perhaps?

 

[pokerdan]

don't feel bad I lost 200.00 on riverbelle tonight with not even one bonus game on anything. average bets were 40 on santa paws to 1.25 on fat lady sings. I had around 500 spins combined on all the games. It happens, but sometimes it feels like they flip a looser switch on my account.. ahahah

 

[Seventh777]

Is this just a bizarre chain of coincidences or some form of winnings cap, my last three deposits at 3 different MG casinos were 50 - 60 - 22, I had great runs at all three but no matter what I could not increase my winnings of aprox 500 - 600 - 200, all 3 balances were at some stage x10 my deposit, if you`ve played at MG`s for over a year then you most definitely had one of those (probably a whole lot more) sessions where you cannot do a thing wrong and your balance goes from 2 figures to 4 within an hour, my personal best was a free 10 chip from Desert Dollar I turned into just over 1000, and even though it doubled the winnings amount, a wtf? session at Zodiac where amongst many other nice hits I hit 4 sixes in progressive cyberstud for a £16 bet and the dealer qualified = £1510 return, I accidentally wiped the screenshot but still have the transaction details, notice also 5 from 6 of my next hands show a gain including 260 for a full house iirc, I played for hours after and eventually withdrew 1500 for a 30 deposit.

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I`m not saying that every single play session should yield such huge rewards..hell no, but and it is a big but, when that time of goodness rears it`s bountiful head should it (from my 1st hand experiences dating back at least 3-4 months) be seemingly restricted?.

Some more food for thought, when was the last time you hit a high stake jaw dropping spin or feature?, or as like I have noticed on so many occasions these high x stake wins only happen on small stake bets, a screenshot from earlier today and on my way to the 200 mark for my 22 deposit....

a 260 x stake free spins total

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P.S.

It all adds upto.... In these times of recession and low deposits from the majority of us, can these casinos afford to take hits from high rollers playing these huge wins x outrageous multipliers?, if you have 500 - 1000 to deposit try depositing 50-100 and see how things change, tenner says your luck just changed considerably, in years gone by it was the high rollers paradise and casino loyalty promos/bonuses were geared towards them (look at the outrageous targets for the 4 tiered VIP status, Ladbrokes you have to deposit 7.5k a month just to trigger the loyalty programme).

This is my MG hypothesis, and one that seems to cover all the anomalies experienced by MG veterans for the best part of this year.

 

[Rusty]

Well on the plus side at least there are still positive streaks out there - well done on some of those hits.
It is just a case of whether people can suspend their disbelief and accept recurring coincidences.
As far as I am concerned I am not playing the odds from deposit to deposit or hour to hour and that is a matter of legitimate concern.

 

[vinylweatherman]

You are talking about AWP games here I assume?

The thing is the AWP games are pseudo AWP and so over the top silly (which is probably why they can be exploited, especially with bonuses) that I can only conclude that their inclusion was calculated to give players the impression that the the non AWP games are by contrast very fair and surely not weighted.:notworthy
I mean the reason most UK players would play video slots is to get away from AWP games so I find it hard to believe there was any demand whatsoever for these games.

This is what I suspect they have been working on for the last 10 months. The newer AWP games are a great deal more random, and these were NEVER taken away. They are also nowhere near as predictable, and like the video slots, they can eat £1000, yet only "save up" a paltry £200, even less in some cases.

They also seem a bit "different" when bonus chips are being used, as though the games now know the difference between a bet placed from the cash balance, and one placed from the bonus balance.

ALL the current crop of AWP games are taking more than they give out, mainly because since that impressive £50,000 run at 32Red, the really BIG streaks have almost gone completely, whereas before they came along roughly 1 in 15 top features.

I remember that later that year someone hit "Game On!" for well over 60K - this must have been the last straw for MGS. Funnily enough, THIS one came back about a week ago - I wonder how "different" it is now

 

[Rusty]

I remember that later that year someone hit "Game On!" for well over 60K - this must have been the last straw for MGS. Funnily enough, THIS one came back about a week ago - I wonder how "different" it is now

Lobotomised and cured.

 

[Mavin1]

Interesting thread. One of the reasons I quit gambling is because of a lot of what has already been said here. But my lessor observations is that, I constantly see the same reel layouts popping up time and time again, like there is a package of a certain amount of combinations and they just keep repeating.

As for the new version of what is being told to players, "Sample Size" of plays, sorry but I just don't have enough money to acheive the current sample size to find a decent RTP or any RTP for that matter.

I have also observed that if an average player, such as myself is going to have a winning day, you will not have one that will win you over between $150 to $350. If you are suckered into thinking that you have hit a good day, finally, win the above amount and try to push it up, all wins are shut down so to speak and you will lose it all back, if you don't withdraw.

So you spend many many deposits and finally win back 1/4 or money spent. To me the plot has totally been lost with online gambling.