Net Entertainment RTP?

[JackMack]

So I have made 100 consecutive losing deposits - that is made over 100 deposits without a withdrawal though I have been ahead here and there - fair enough?

Thing is, my last 20 deposits I'm lucky to hit a bonus round and if I do it is a small miracle if it pays 20 xbet.
Generally I'm getting between 45% and 65% RTP off these deposits - it's crazy.
I can spin 50 spins without returning more than my bet back.
I've gone 3 consecutive deposits without winning more than x5 bet on a spin!
Deposit, after deposit, after deposit, different casinos, same result.

This is bullshit man, no way can you get these crazy returns endlessly without the TRTP being lowered.
In all my years online and over millions of spins the last 2 months play at Net Ent have been unprecedented.

But is it just me?
Surely if the TRTP really had been lowered other players would of been affected?
Maybe I'm just having an impossible nightmare run a few thousand light-years outside natural deviation?

so if you play a lot and Net Ent regularly how have they played for you?
I'm assuming normally otherwise I would of expected to see another thread up by now.

If I hit 5,000 time bet win maybe I can get my RTP toward expected values, hmmmm maybe one is on the way.

 

[Valhalla]

I hate to say it mate, but I see no difference now on NetEnt than time gone by.
I sure wish I could say "actually I'm seeing the same thing" but I'm not

That's not to say I'm having a great time every deposit, because I'm not. But I do still hit big wins on CFTBL, Jack and the Beanstalk, Twin spin (even Starburst) and all the usual NetEnt favourites of mine.
I do just think you're having a horrible run at the minute. It happens to us all.

Some advice you probably don't want to hear: take a break. Either from NetEnt, or your regular casinos, or even gambling altogether. It's supposed to be fun, but it doesn't sound like you're enjoying it at all lately.

Out of curiosity - what casinos do you play at, and what games do you play the most?

 

[Deeplay]

I feel your pain but that is netEnt slots for you. Its nothing to do with messing the RTP ect they dont need to. But Netent slots can be brutal. It comes down to luck which by sounds of your post is in short supply at the moment. When I hit a bad run I will put a limit on the amount I can depo for a week or so and take a break. I learned long ago never to chase as it always ends in misery and madness. Luck will turn at some point and the wins will come. But when it gets bad its good maybe to step back a while.

Take last night I had 4 or 5 deposits at a casino listed here. My luck was awful. Even D - OR - A which usually kicks out the FS every 150 or spins was a horror to me. Took me almost 450 spins to get the feature and it paid JACK! But that's the game. Did not matter what I played I was doomed to loose.

Other week at betspin could not go wrong turned every deposit into a withdraw. Swings and roundabouts .... hope your luck turns soon

 

[KasinoKing]

So I have made 100 consecutive losing deposits - that is made over 100 deposits without a withdrawal though I have been ahead here and there - fair enough?

Thing is, my last 20 deposits I'm lucky to hit a bonus round and if I do it is a small miracle if it pays 20 xbet.
Generally I'm getting between 45% and 65% RTP off these deposits - it's crazy.
I can spin 50 spins without returning more than my bet back.
I've gone 3 consecutive deposits without winning more than x5 bet on a spin!
Deposit, after deposit, after deposit, different casinos, same result.

To give a better picture of your terrible experience, can you share with the forum:
What was your average deposit amount?
What was your average bet per spin amount?
And which game(s) were you playing?

Without that vital information it is impossible for anyone to make any serious assessment of your luck (bad or good).
I mean, if each deposit were €10 and you played Dead or Alive at €3.60 per spin, you would expect a different result to depositing €100 a time and playing 50c spins on a low variance slot.

Cheers,
KK

 

[JackMack]

Thanks for the info guys.
Another 4 deposits, same results.

I tried some microgaming for a change, 600 spins without a bonus round but at least my RTP was just over 70% - result!
Then back to Net Ent
Steam Tower threw in a couple of free spin round paying x5 and x 10 bet respectively - about 55% RTP on that
Then onto Spinata Grande where I've had about 45% RTP over my last few hundred spins without even hitting the free spins - figured it couldn't be any worse.
I was right, it was the same 50% RTP no free spins over a couple of hundred rounds.
Just insane negative results every deposit over 6 weeks or so with no game time.
It ain't fun and yeah I should quit, good advice.
But then if they can play that bad over a couple of months I should quit forever full stop TBH.
That's the thing, it gets me so mad to be ripped off frankly that I tell myself just win some back then have long gap but of course they just play like crap forever and I just get madder.
I honestly find it impossible to believe all the slots I have played over this time are 95%+ RTP - it's not like I'm getting 92% or even 85% or god forbid winning sometimes - it is like between 45% and 65% every frickin time!

I'm playing various casinos all UKGC and multi platform. I'm glad it si just me actually, would hate for others to have this sort of run - destroys all the fun.
Good luck.

 

[Valhalla]

I mean, if each deposit were €10 and you played Dead or Alive at €3.60 per spin,

We could probably rule that out. Nobody is that stupid

 

[JackMack]

To give a better picture of your terrible experience, can you share with the forum:
What was your average deposit amount?
What was your average bet per spin amount?
And which game(s) were you playing?

Without that vital information it is impossible for anyone to make any serious assessment of your luck (bad or good).
I mean, if each deposit were €10 and you played Dead or Alive at €3.60 per spin, you would expect a different result to depositing €100 a time and playing 50c spins on a low variance slot.

Cheers,
KK

Hi
I'm depositing between 20 and 40 and spinning at 20 or 30 occasionally 40 depending on slot.

Point is I'm getting this crap over thousands of spins and dozens of deposits.

I'm playing mostly Net Ent newer games like Steam Tower, Tornado, Invisible man, spinata grande but also some older ones and a bit of MG here and there which has been slightly less bad - just your normal losing streak.

It is what it is.
I'm a slot junky and get a lot of fun out of them but I think they have decided I'm someone who can be milked. I mean if I deposit after dozens of deposits of the same crap why not screw me over? :axeman2:

I'm just venting, but it is sick that they can play this tight for so long and so consistently.
I'm going to a chuck a last 20 at it and sign off for a long time which i should of done ages ago - I wish I could take my own advice.
It's not that its so expensive with making micro deposits but they do mount up when you are having to make 5 a night just to get an hour or so game time.
I don't play every day though thank God.

I'll let you know how this 20 goes - I'm guessing not well.

 

[rshkrn]

I'm a slot junky and get a lot of fun out of them but I think they have decided I'm someone who can be milked. I mean if I deposit after dozens of deposits of the same crap why not screw me over? :axeman2:

A lot of us are ... but don't think you are singled out in any way

And GL with that next session

 

[JackMack]

update

So played that 20 on invisible man, he sure can make your money disappear.
Gave up but then realised I had a few comps so cashed them and went back on Spinata Grande and hit the free spins a couple of times - crazy huh?
Got up to about 40, went back on invisible man, hit absolutely zip again.
Decided to try something else last few dollars and hit my first decent free spin win since forever of about 150 x bet.

Well at least I am getting a game off my comps LOL.
I will probably play it away which is fair enough but if anything amazing happens I'll let you know.
Maybe venting on the forums changes luck?
If only!

A cashout and then a nice break would be nice but TBH it has been so bad I'm just glad to actually see a win and some playtime.

 

[psychogene]

100 consecutive deposits without a withdrawal .. ouch man !!!

I am currently on a losing streak myself. Had free time this week so I have been relaxing and playing slots alot - Since Sunday I have lost about 500 with no withdrawals across various places (I deposit usually $20-$30 so thats about 15-20 deposits). OK thats not so much for some but thats generally more than I spend playing slots. I don't even set my cashout too high - I will cash out anywhere between $80-$100 but the highest I have got my balance to is about $60 before crashing back down.

I have also been playing many different brands - MG, Novomatic, WMS, NetEnt, Play'N'Go etc etc but no luck. In the past I have had losing streaks like this but somehow I always manage to get it back by getting just one single spin of x500 or x1000 but I feel like I can't expect that to happen this time for some reason - in terms of playing time with deposits this week has been the worst by far barely getting 15 minutes worth of slots on $20 deposits - and thats without quickspinning! I had a great February though to be fair - probably the most winning month I've had - and the first two weeks of March were really good too. During that time I was consistently winning by just playing practically anything (I would choose random slots and somehow came out on top) but back to reality now.

I don't have any advice but I feel like I never do that well during the weekdays (Monday-Wednesday). I take a screenshot of all my big hits in slots and having a look back practically all of them are on Thursday-Sunday - which seems rather odd because there are lots of weeks I play the same amount every day. Yeah I know people might say otherwise and its probably true but since I have been taking screenshots since December 2014 all of my big wins have been on friday-sunday.

So in my case I should just stick to slotting on the weekend if the dates of my big wins are any evidence of my luck. Good luck though mate I hope it turns around for you soon!

Oh and Spinata Grande has all the hallmarks of temple quest - a terrible slot. If you play that slot alot get ready for countless rounds of dead spins! I get the feeling it will be pretty popular and by that it will probably be offered as a free spin alternative to starbust. Its already doing the promotion rounds of free spin - after thats done I bet it would have made quite a nice profit for the casinos.

 

[BoomUp]

you are playing the worst slots out there. stick to some older releases

 

[goatwack]

Hey JackMack, you sound like you like your Netent and most of us here can share what you feel in regards to brutal streaks.

To be honest I wouldn't touch any Notent game post- CFTBL as they all share the same demon quickspin balance- guzzling tendencies which leave you staring at the screen in disbelief at how quickly you just got shafted.

If it's playtime you're after I would play some of their older slots which *seem* to give you more value for money. As pretty & fun some of the newer slots are, they are just basically smoke and mirrors and indicative of the current trend to fleece the player as quickly as possible with pretty graphics.

Decent playtime and paytables returning in future NE releases are between slim and none..... and slim just left town

 

[Cocochanel]

I hate Netent games, and the new one is terrible Spinata Grande.

Do far bether with RTG casino,like Club World, where i had many great wins with just small bet like 0.20 and 0.25. The best win on a 0.20 was $ 320 on Cecars Empire

Mc and Playtech are a lot better than Netent I think. Just my op.

 

[Deeplay]

Spinata Grande is about the worst Net Ent release in ages if not the worst! I have not played it much with my own money maybe 30 or 40 spins. Gave it a run in free mode. Boring beyond anything you can imagine. I rek sure some big pays to be had but other than that nothing happening. Seems like a rush job to me. Chuck a few gimiky graphics together add some cheese sounding music a fs bonus round - same netEnt maths model and your away. Feels like the designers of these beastly offerings work of some kind of templated design. I wont ever play this one again.

And agree its so bad it could well over take Star Bust for the Free Spin giveaways. Spinach Cramps makes Star Burst look remotely interesting!

 

[JackMack]

Another update

Thanks for all the advice and experiences. (not all my 100+ deposits without a cashout were total losses, a couple I probably got close to $100 before it disappeared fast and a few others maybe $50 but I like to play for at least a couple of hours usually so I need to be lucky just to hang around)
The vast majority though were gone in 5 minutes literally - just dead spins and no hits just for a bit longevity.
Sometimes it feels like it is just impossible to hit anything and then on that odd occasion the opposite is true.

I'm sure you are right about Grande but for some reason I like it.

Anyway this turning out to be an odd night.
Off the few dollars comps I am now over $200 with a couple of wins over x150 and x200 bet which I haven't hit since I can remember - quite literally!
How bizarre.
Maybe it is the support from you guys?

I'm going to push it of course and see how far I can get so if I lose it nobody to blame but myself but I'm not going to play big stakes - stay low rolling.
Actually I don't mind just so long as I get a game and actually feel like I can win occasionally.
If I can get a decent cashout and cover some future guilty pleasures than all the better.
I will let you know anyway and I hope this shock turnaround (Live as it happens!) can work for those of you who are also on seemingly endless bad streaks.

EDIT

Oops found a slot called roaring Forties - the very definition of a rigged slot.

played $141.60 and it returned $46.56 32% RTP LOL and always stacked combos right to left but never left to right.
That should not be licensed, seriously.

 

[Deeplay]

EDIT

Oops found a slot called roaring Forties - the very definition of a rigged slot.

played $141.60 and it returned $46.56 32% RTP LOL and always stacked combos right to left but never left to right.
That should not be licensed, seriously.

Sorry but no slots from any reputable provider NetEnt MG WMS are rigged. They don't need to be. The way the maths model is set it will always ensure in the long term the casino operators come out on top. No one long term can win playing any slot. We will get peaks highs and lows but overall we will loose (unless hitting a 1 million plus JP) If you feel they are rigged why bother playing at all ? Best just leave it. By what you are saying you are up a fair bit but are choosing not to cash out. The likely hood is you will bust out again. Knowing when to quit is part of the game. The longer you play the more likely that the house edge will start to get the better of the session.

Wheres Dunover with his Tin Foil package when we need him ?

 

[JackMack]

Sorry but no slots from any reputable provider NetEnt MG WMS are rigged. They don't need to be. The way the maths model is set it will always ensure in the long term the casino operators come out on top. No one long term can win playing any slot. We will get peaks highs and lows but overall we will loose (unless hitting a 1 million plus JP) If you feel they are rigged why bother playing at all ? Best just leave it. By what you are saying you are up a fair bit but are choosing not to cash out. The likely hood is you will bust out again. Knowing when to quit is part of the game. The longer you play the more likely that the house edge will start to get the better of the session.

Wheres Dunover with his Tin Foil package when we need him ?

Gee thanks man, wish I was that smart. No casino has ever cheated because they don't have to, wish I'd thought of that.
I know, it's crazy talk.
It's like saying the West were behind the Coup in Ukraine or backed Al Qaeda in Libya or Syria, crazy conspiracy theory man.


But yeah of course you have to know when to cash out and it is pointless playing if you think the games are rigged.
Greentube games are rigged so I won't be playing them.

 

[Valhalla]

Off the few dollars comps I am now over $200 with a couple of wins over x150 and x200 bet which I haven't hit since I can remember - quite literally!

I'm going to push it of course and see how far I can get so if I lose it nobody to blame but myself

This is when you should've withdrawn mate. Up over $200 from a few comps; that would break your streak for sure.

Doesn't look like you'll ever learn *sigh*

 

[psychogene]

Valhalla is right - if that was me off a few dollar comp I would have withdrawn at least at $80-$100. I sometimes would hit the withdraw button and then play with whatever is left knowing that if I lose it at least I have gotten something out of it. At $200 I would probably withdraw $150 and play with $50 but I guess everyones different - if you loaded up on cash go nuts I guess but its a dangerous game to play. When in the winnings best to stay in the winnings!

Good luck though if your going to push it but I'd be surprised if you doubled it to $400!

 

[Valhalla]

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[KasinoKing]

Thanks for all the advice and experiences. (not all my 100+ deposits without a cashout were total losses, a couple I probably got close to $100 before it disappeared fast and a few others maybe $50 but I like to play for at least a couple of hours usually so I need to be lucky just to hang around)
The vast majority though were gone in 5 minutes literally - just dead spins and no hits just for a bit longevity.
Sometimes it feels like it is just impossible to hit anything and then on that odd occasion the opposite is true.

Well I'm not quit sure what you are expecting really.
You started out saying you did 100 deposits without a cash-out.
But then you revealed that you've got up to $50 or $100 a few times off $20 or $40 deposits playing relatively small stakes, but lost it all back.
So what exactly is your target figure before you will cash-out?
Looks from the above that you could be aiming for over 5x your deposit?

Obviously if you have a very high target which you never reach, you WILL always lose - the house edge ensures that (unless you're playing a very high variance game).

I'm not quite so "anti-NetEnt" as some others on here, but I do agree some of their older games seem a bit better.
My suggestions (the ones I've had most bet x100+ wins on) are:
South Park (1)
Evolution
Eggomatic
Frankenstein
Jack & the Beanstalk
Groovy Sixties

KK

 

[Valhalla]

Well I'm not quit sure what you are expecting really.
You started out saying you did 100 deposits without a cash-out.
But then you revealed that you've got up to $50 or $100 a few times off $20 or $40 deposits playing relatively small stakes, but lost it all back.

This part.

Seems the OP could very well have made withdrawals a few times, but opted to keep playing (recipe for disaster).
You need to get into the habit of realising that you are ahead, and withdrawing. I'm more than happy to withdraw 2x my deposit, and sometimes I'll withdraw my deposit if I'm not feeling lucky (if I've been playing for a while, went up a bit and returned to my original balance).

 

[lotusch]

I find the new game Tornado quite entertaining.
Had a few nice 50-150x stake bonusses on that one.

And as most people know here,I am not the biggest Netent fan either but some of their slots I can actually enjoy playing.

 

[dunover]

So I have made 100 consecutive losing deposits - that is made over 100 deposits without a withdrawal though I have been ahead here and there - fair enough?

Thing is, my last 20 deposits I'm lucky to hit a bonus round and if I do it is a small miracle if it pays 20 xbet.
Generally I'm getting between 45% and 65% RTP off these deposits - it's crazy.
I can spin 50 spins without returning more than my bet back.
I've gone 3 consecutive deposits without winning more than x5 bet on a spin!
Deposit, after deposit, after deposit, different casinos, same result.

This is bullshit man, no way can you get these crazy returns endlessly without the TRTP being lowered.
In all my years online and over millions of spins the last 2 months play at Net Ent have been unprecedented.

But is it just me?
Surely if the TRTP really had been lowered other players would of been affected?
Maybe I'm just having an impossible nightmare run a few thousand light-years outside natural deviation?

so if you play a lot and Net Ent regularly how have they played for you?
I'm assuming normally otherwise I would of expected to see another thread up by now.

If I hit 5,000 time bet win maybe I can get my RTP toward expected values, hmmmm maybe one is on the way.

I REFER YOU TO THIS CLASSIC POST BY OUR OLD PAL CHOPLEY - IMO THIS SHOULD BE STICKY...

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/dead-or-alive-statistics.59619/

And I quote you my favourite paragraph he ever wrote:

....maybe Netent's slots aren't 'funny' in the sense of there being something 'wrong' (i.e. dodgy) with them, but I think their paytables are designed in a most pernicious manner so that players are basically almost never ahead, and are always left chasing a VERY RARE decent hit to even get back to their starting balance, let alone win anything.

Saves 100 posts and 10,000 words being added to this thread!!

 

[bruinsdude]

NetEnt is less than 6 months old in MY play history.

In over a dozen years of being a Microgaming Muppet, my biggest cashout was $2500.00

Three times in 6 months I have hit 5k+ on NetEnt slots, (Twice on DOA and once on Wishmaster) without betting the farm in the process. Maybe I won all the money and you are all paying for it slowly, one deposit at a time

I like NetEnt for the big win possibilities, but man can those games get and stay cold as ice. Microgaming is more of a constant formula that keeps you going, if playtime is what you are after.

Just my opinion, but you know what they say about opinions...

 

[snotter999]

Not a big Netent fan here but lately i have been playing Tornado a lot when hoping to build my balance up.
Don't get a lot of big wins but betting $1 a spin am often able to boost balance by $50 to $100 easily.

Also played Wild Water a lot in the last 2 weeks cos of the bonus at Thrills and grew to really like it and get some very nice wins of over 200x
Groovy!

 

[randomiam]

try reel steel and dead or alive on low bets you do get your money worth some times the first south park is good blood suckers has a higher payback
try wms slots med variance one like Montezuma you can get 100x bet easy enough my best 3000x new net ent is nasty

 

[mcgameboy]

I REFER YOU TO THIS CLASSIC POST BY OUR OLD PAL CHOPLEY - IMO THIS SHOULD BE STICKY...

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/dead-or-alive-statistics.59619/

And I quote you my favourite paragraph he ever wrote:

....maybe Netent's slots aren't 'funny' in the sense of there being something 'wrong' (i.e. dodgy) with them, but I think their paytables are designed in a most pernicious manner so that players are basically almost never ahead, and are always left chasing a VERY RARE decent hit to even get back to their starting balance, let alone win anything.

Saves 100 posts and 10,000 words being added to this thread!!

Thank you so much for this, Mr. QM. Based on my rather short NetEnt playing history (of only 2 weeks)....I'd say Chopley read
my mind 14 months in advance. I'm so glad, grateful even, that my own first impressions of NetEnt aren't of a....erm...."tinfoily" nature.

Creature From The Black Lagoon (so far) is the only NetEnt slot (I haven't played DOA yet) where I feel I won't have to pay through the nose
in order to get a hit good enough to gain a lead. And then, having got that lead, get another one to build upon that lead.

The rest of the NetEnt slots felt like they were bloody "compensated". ie in order to get a 100x bet, I had to be 100 bets down in order to "trigger" it.
And then, once I get that hit to get me back to even, I then promptly get my ass handed to me.

But that is based on a first impression. So it is subject to change. I'm sort of hoping my initial scepticism will diminish somewhat.

But if you and Chopley are sharing the same negative opinions of them, then I'd be wise not to hold my breath.

 

[Vegasbum]

Something tells me that JackMack has not made his last deposit. As Schwarzenegger said "I'll be back"

 

[rshkrn]

If you've turned it into 200$, u should withdraw asap!!! leave like 20-30 to play on but at least you will have broken the streak, which is usually a good feeling in itself....

If you are aiming to say reach 1000 for a withdrawal beware cos you may just loose it all again