Mr Green have “tweaked” their RTP on Play ‘n’ Go Slots

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They wouldn't be so keen to do it if the price of a spin had to change. 20p - 21p, £1.00 - £1.05 etc (keeping the same paytable), rather than the 'hidden price increase' of lowering the RTP.
That would be FAR TOO OBVIOUS to their customers.

Also, why is it nearly always Play'n'Go and Red Tiger which change first.
Are P'n'G and Red Tiger actively pushing casinos to drop their RTP?
Because, no doubt the providers also benefit from a lowering of RTP, if they're taking a percentage of the house edge.
 

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They wouldn't be so keen to do it if the price of a spin had to change. 20p - 21p, £1.00 - £1.05 etc (keeping the same paytable), rather than the 'hidden price increase' of lowering the RTP.
That would be FAR TOO OBVIOUS to their customers.

Also, why is it nearly always Play'n'Go and Red Tiger which change first.
Are P'n'G and Red Tiger actively pushing casinos to drop their RTP?
Because, no doubt the providers also benefit from a lowering of RTP, if they're taking a percentage of the house edge.
I think it's same % split between provider and casino, but with reduced fixed fees on the lower maths model. A win-win for the gambling industry and lose-lose for the players.
 

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Please do not give Pokerstars any ideas to also follow suit! lol I play their too. I play Play N Go and Pragmatic mainly there as they have the highest RTP for UK players currently. It appears it will be the only casino that has not reduced the RTP's on some providers. I really hope they do not follow suit. It sucks it really is criminal!
Pokerstars supposedly have a special deal with png, cos they have that exclusive lost chapter game, also they make $3 million a day from poker so slots are only a side gig for them, hoping they wont.

RE: Red Tiger, practically everywhere runs them at 90-93% 21casino is the only place I touch their games with real money. If anybody knows of places which have 96% Red Tiger let us know as I do like some of their games.
 

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Pokerstars supposedly have a special deal with png, cos they have that exclusive lost chapter game, also they make $3 million a day from poker so slots are only a side gig for them, hoping they wont.

RE: Red Tiger, practically everywhere runs them at 90-93% 21casino is the only place I touch their games with real money. If anybody knows of places which have 96% Red Tiger let us know as I do like some of their games.

Yeah, I just wished pokerstars would do a 10million pound race :D Imagine it :D It would be crazy lol

It would probably break the internet too lol. Would be totally crazy, well not the internet but rather their servers would keep crashing and having major lag and down issues due to the amount of people playing slots all at the same time hahaha :D
 

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Its happening across the board mores the pity - and I liked Mr Green as well.

I have to say that, as Mr Green has been my go to recently, i am seriously annoyed that I have not received said email though... now that is pure bullshit!
 

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Have something changed recently with the UK license making it more expensive to operate in the UK?
Im wondering because its still at 96% for Swedish market (looked just now) and if they were going to lower the rtp here they would probably have done it at the same time im thinking.
 

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This is actually just damn cheeky though...... look at the bottom two lines - Surely that is misrepresentation, as for almost all of the last six months it was running at the higher RTP. I'm sure this would be seriously frowned on by the UKGC

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This is actually just damn cheeky though...... look at the bottom two lines - Surely that is misrepresentation, as for almost all of the last six months it was running at the higher RTP. I'm sure this would be seriously frowned on by the UKGC

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Game only got lowered a couple of days ago for uk market, yet its at 95.07 for last 6 months (even tho almost all that time was spent on full rtp) compared to the 95.82 i see for the last 6 months,
Did not expect the drop in rtp to be so big in just a couple days.



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Considering what coral did and the damp squib response from ukgc in the end iirc, i tend to think the outcome would be another 'meh' again, not sure they're much better than the typical casino live chat for recognising a problem or failing, and taking swift action to rectify it. Come to think of it, ukgc would be ripe for a fly on the wall type tv documentary to see what actually goes on there...
 

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Look I realise that this is most probably a complete waste of time but I decided to email Mr Green about this change. I have asked them why it was labelled a “tweak” rather than what it really is, and for the reason(s) behind the change.

I’m fully aware that my email will almost without a doubt be ignored, but at the same time they need to know that some customers are aware of the impacts, and would like some sort of justification.

I have time to spare…
 

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I am playing live casino a lot more nowadays. The online casinos are just turning into the gangsters that they've always been but now showing their true faces. Most of them anyway. Unibet,Bet365 etc make a shed load of cash from their sports betting side here in the UK so there really is no excuse to lower RTPs as well.
 

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Interesting come the next proper football season if slot players also place footie bets, then another possible drawback of offering low rtp slots, you lose some sportsbook business. I certainly hope so anyway, i'm going to give more of my custom to unibet.
 

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Interesting come the next proper football season if slot players also place footie bets, then another possible drawback of offering low rtp slots, you lose some sportsbook business. I certainly hope so anyway, i'm going to give more of my custom to unibet.
Unibet aren't a proper bookies, I'm limited to around £1 or less on football, despite me hardly every betting there, my biggest bet on there being about a tenner, and never winning. Absolute joke of a company for the sportsbook.
 

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Interesting come the next proper football season if slot players also place footie bets, then another possible drawback of offering low rtp slots, you lose some sportsbook business. I certainly hope so anyway, i'm going to give more of my custom to unibet.

And yet so many people, even here at Casinomeister, continue to give their custom to casinos that have been lowering RTPs right under their noses, in some cases for a couple of years now - saying that 'I avoid the lowered RTP slots so it doesn't affect me', for example.

Except it does affect you, because casinos have learned they don't get punished for gimping their games, and eventually the hold-outs of single maths model providers will fall into line, and then everyone's faced with Bonanza at 92% whether they like it or not.
 

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Unibet aren't a proper bookies, I'm limited to around £1 or less on football, despite me hardly every betting there, my biggest bet on there being about a tenner, and never winning. Absolute joke of a company for the sportsbook.
and just to highlight how shit they are, just got this email

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Also, minimum stake for the promo was £10, my max stake they allowed was £1.26 @UnibetDavid
 

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Well Vickers are still letting me bet as much as i like at present, but with my form for picking
winners, i guess i'm not much of a threat..definitely in the mug punter category at present. :D
 

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Look I realise that this is most probably a complete waste of time but I decided to email Mr Green about this change. I have asked them why it was labelled a “tweak” rather than what it really is, and for the reason(s) behind the change.

I’m fully aware that my email will almost without a doubt be ignored, but at the same time they need to know that some customers are aware of the impacts, and would like some sort of justification.

I have time to spare…
Did you also ask them if they fully understand what the word 'tweak' means?
The dictionary definition is

"improve (a mechanism or system) by making fine adjustments"

The keyword being IMPROVE

I wonder if the ASA would have anything to say about the use of such a word in their promotional messages to describe, what is basically a downgrade
 

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And yet so many people, even here at Casinomeister, continue to give their custom to casinos that have been lowering RTPs right under their noses, in some cases for a couple of years now - saying that 'I avoid the lowered RTP slots so it doesn't affect me', for example.

Except it does affect you, because casinos have learned they don't get punished for gimping their games, and eventually the hold-outs of single maths model providers will fall into line, and then everyone's faced with Bonanza at 92% whether they like it or not.
Getting to the point where there is no other choice, sticking to fixed RTP games is the only option left.
 

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Just a final update so this thread can be closed off.

As expected, I never received a response from Mr Green. Pretty poor form by Mr Green not responding to a customer enquiry but absolutely no surprises as there was no good answer they could have given.
 

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Just a final update so this thread can be closed off.

As expected, I never received a response from Mr Green. Pretty poor form by Mr Green not responding to a customer enquiry but absolutely no surprises as there was no good answer they could have given.
I had bonus issues with MrGreen casino i also have sent them email on 6th May and receive answer on 19th July :eek: so my point is youll receive answer some day :rolleyes:
 
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