MG (Microgaming limiting players account?

[Markus_Demon]

I play a lot MG games on diffrent casinos and some month ago i hit a good win on BDBA.

After that i player over 10.000 spins on diffrent casinos on diffrent time frames and for some reason this slot is dried the most win i got after that is 20-30 times the bet... In diffrent casinos and weeks and days in between gameplay (i wrote down the spins )

then come time that i hit zero win on freespin 5 times in row...


I am just thinking these guys (probably software) have control over players account so they limit some player account immediately after a win as there is no way it can be random..

 

[Nifty29]

I play a lot MG games on diffrent casinos and some month ago i hit a good win on BDBA.

After that i player over 10.000 spins on diffrent casinos on diffrent time frames and for some reason this slot is dried the most win i got after that is 20-30 times the bet... In diffrent casinos and weeks and days in between gameplay (i wrote down the spins )

then come time that i hit zero win on freespin 5 times in row...


I am just thinking these guys (probably software) have control over players account so they limit some player account immediately after a win as there is no way it can be random..

Oh absolutely.

It is also quite possible that the games are being controlled by aliens via crop circles.

I think you're on to something.....

 

[Tropicana50]

I play a lot MG games on diffrent casinos and some month ago i hit a good win on BDBA.

After that i player over 10.000 spins on diffrent casinos on diffrent time frames and for some reason this slot is dried the most win i got after that is 20-30 times the bet... In diffrent casinos and weeks and days in between gameplay (i wrote down the spins )

then come time that i hit zero win on freespin 5 times in row...


I am just thinking these guys (probably software) have control over players account so they limit some player account immediately after a win as there is no way it can be random..

You are just experiencing regular variance of play. There is no secret central control hub tracking players to align any win percentages. Every spin has its own unique set of odds. The payout is not based on prior outcomes of how much is put in the following day/week/month from your deposits or that of other players

The casinos just use simple percentage odds and over time the more you play, the more you refine your balance towards these payout percentages, what you are experiencing is perfectly normal.

- T

 

[Balthazar]

I am just thinking these guys (probably software) have control over players account so they limit some player account immediately after a win as there is no way it can be random..

Slot players (myself included) tend to see weird patterns in plays and we become easily suspicious. That doesn't mean that there's a pattern. Yesterday I played Immortal Romance for about 4 hours straight. I hit the Wild Desire feature only twice during all that time and thousands of spins and they were both BACK TO BACK. That's right, 2 wild desire features in 2 spins, after about 3 hours of (very fast) play. Then nothing again for the last hour.

I mean, what are the odds for that? I bet the odds are greater than hitting all 5 wild reels.

It looked weird, but that's exactly what "random" is.

 

[vinylweatherman]

The variance on this slot is very high, and this behaviour is typical of a high variance game.

Even known rigged softwares have not managed to track players between different skins, and often rigged software is designed to guarantee a fixed house edge for the casino, rather than target individual players over extended periods of time.

 

[Balthazar]

The variance on this slot is very high, and this behaviour is typical of a high variance game.

Even known rigged softwares have not managed to track players between different skins, and often rigged software is designed to guarantee a fixed house edge for the casino, rather than target individual players over extended periods of time.

Well to be honest, that would be quite easy to track a player based on IP alone since, from what I understand, the RNG is on a central MG server. If each casino had its own RNG server then it would be a bit harder. The thing is, it would be totally pointless for MG to do that, as they don't have to pay for the winnings (the skin owners do, and most of them aren't even related to each other and don't care if some other casino had to pay big bucks to that one player).

 

[vinylweatherman]

Well to be honest, that would be quite easy to track a player based on IP alone since, from what I understand, the RNG is on a central MG server. If each casino had its own RNG server then it would be a bit harder. The thing is, it would be totally pointless for MG to do that, as they don't have to pay for the winnings (the skin owners do, and most of them aren't even related to each other and don't care if some other casino had to pay big bucks to that one player).

No it wouldn't. It would track a player until he switches his modem off for the night, or the lease runs out on his allocated IP address. If it became known that the games were compensated like this, it would be possible to game the system by changing IP after a big win and avoid any downward adjustment of RTP.

Even tracking a player would not be enough, his personal RTP over different skins would need to be tracked, and again this could be manipulated by the clever player by playing a different skin without taking a bonus after a long losing spell that should cause his RTP to have been pushed over 100% to compensate. This skin would not like to be paying back money lost to a completely different operator simply to keep the player's personal RTP within set limits.

Take a look at the UK Fruit machine scene to see the dangers of offering compensated games to clever players

 

[Balthazar]

No it wouldn't. It would track a player until he switches his modem off for the night, or the lease runs out on his allocated IP address. If it became known that the games were compensated like this, it would be possible to game the system by changing IP after a big win and avoid any downward adjustment of RTP.

I wasn't saying that it would be reliable and infallible, I said it would be easy to do (and I also said that they aren't doing it). We're living in the cable/DSL era and the majority of people keep the same IP for extended periods of time. I think I've had the same IP address for the last 4 years. Of course if they were doing it AND people would become aware of it, it would be easy to defeat.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I wasn't saying that it would be reliable and infallible, I said it would be easy to do (and I also said that they aren't doing it). We're living in the cable/DSL era and the majority of people keep the same IP for extended periods of time. I think I've had the same IP address for the last 4 years. Of course if they were doing it AND people would become aware of it, it would be easy to defeat.

It has nothing to do with the era, but the fact that we have simply run out of IP addresses to afford to allow each device to have one of it's own on a permanent basis. It was in the past dial-up era that there were many more possible IP addresses than devices, and everybody could have their own.

How long you keep one now depends on your ISP, and how many IP addresses it has been allocated. There are now none left, so any ISP that needs more has to recycle the ones it already has. There is a new standard that will once again allow every device to have it's own IP for life, but much of the internet is not capable of supporting it, so adoption is slow.

A fallible tracking system is worse than none at all.

Rival do it via a central database, and this is more robust than using IP addresses, but depends on the fact that Rival run almost every one of it's skins through it's subsidiary companies, whereas MGS do not have such a model.

The only tracking MGS have done is through the MPV tournament system, where the tournament server can track the same player over different MGS skins. After the first World Series of Slots, MGS switched off this tracking and opened the way for players to have skin specific aliases, and enter the same tournaments multiple times.

 

[Markus_Demon]

well first of all it was just a mere question.

Second, if they tracked a player from a central system, Ip tacking would be not the best option as there are Dynamic and static ip's even static ip's change over time.

tracking by MAC number is not the best option too, as players may play from diffrent computer.

So the only feasable option would be: getting from central database the users name, surname, country and address. as those are constant values that are kind of unique per user.. That way it would really easy to manage the RTP from a central location...

 

[Balthazar]

So the only feasable option would be: getting from central database the users name, surname, country and address. as those are constant values that are kind of unique per user.. That way it would really easy to manage the RTP from a central location...

But it would also be completely pointless. Your conspiracy theory would only make sense if all the casinos were owned by the same group or if MG was paying the players directly. Keep in mind that:
-It makes no difference for MG if you win big 12 times in a row.
-Casino X doesn't care if you won at Casino Y before, it wasn't their money.

So why would they track you? There's no motive and no possible gain from doing it.

 

[Mousey]

I play a lot MG games on diffrent casinos and some month ago i hit a good win on BDBA.

After that i player over 10.000 spins on diffrent casinos on diffrent time frames and for some reason this slot is dried the most win i got after that is 20-30 times the bet... In diffrent casinos and weeks and days in between gameplay (i wrote down the spins )

then come time that i hit zero win on freespin 5 times in row...


I am just thinking these guys (probably software) have control over players account so they limit some player account immediately after a win as there is no way it can be random..

Actually, I would find it more suspicious if you continued to win on the same game. The longer we play, the more spins we make, the nearer we come to the average overall payout percentage of a game. No slot I know of anywhere is set for EV+.

 

[chayton]

Maybe the OP is on to something here. Awhile back Ray won a progressive jackpot using MY computer and now I can't win ANYTHING!

Just kidding...carry on.

 

[vinylweatherman]

But it would also be completely pointless. Your conspiracy theory would only make sense if all the casinos were owned by the same group or if MG was paying the players directly. Keep in mind that:
-It makes no difference for MG if you win big 12 times in a row.
-Casino X doesn't care if you won at Casino Y before, it wasn't their money.

So why would they track you? There's no motive and no possible gain from doing it.

Rival casinos do

Rival does track players via their registered details at each licensee, and then rates them on their central database. Rival licensees then get a rating for every new player they sign up, along with the ability to track the rating of their existing players. Rival casinos use the system to determine which promotions to offer to a particular player.

Something similar seems to happen with Playtech casinos.

The dead giveaway of such tracking and rating is being bonus banned the minute you sign up at a new casino in a group you have never played before. Players have reported this happening in both Rival and Playtech, with the Grand Duke rep telling the forum that in their case, the player was "flagged by Playtech as a bonus abuser", which is why Grand Duke decided they were not going to pay up.

 

[Tirilej]

I don't think Rival and Playtech can decide if a player can or will win big no matter how they are keeping tracks on their players.

What I think is stupid by believing that there is any kind of tracking system of people winnings, is the fact that some poor players never win huge, no matter how much they try. Especially at BDBA
Ask Osloking how many time he had won big on that game, or maybe it would be better to ask how many time or how much he had lost chasing the big win.
Small green men in the controlrooms. Scary

 

[Markus_Demon]

Well to be honest, that would be quite easy to track a player based on IP alone since, from what I understand, the RNG is on a central MG server. If each casino had its own RNG server then it would be a bit harder. The thing is, it would be totally pointless for MG to do that, as they don't have to pay for the winnings (the skin owners do, and most of them aren't even related to each other and don't care if some other casino had to pay big bucks to that one player).

There is nothing as RNG, its just a MYTH. RTP and result of specially slots are controlled i guess as its very obvious.

A good example would be: you keep playing and you win on some spins and loose on another every few spins and suddenly u hit a free spin and win something. Immediately after everything dry up...you hardly hit a penny win... so how it can be Random??! It's controlled by software to keep the balance in game and dont run Casino owners into bankrupcy.

 

[vinylweatherman]

There is nothing as RNG, its just a MYTH. RTP and result of specially slots are controlled i guess as its very obvious.

A good example would be: you keep playing and you win on some spins and loose on another every few spins and suddenly u hit a free spin and win something. Immediately after everything dry up...you hardly hit a penny win... so how it can be Random??! It's controlled by software to keep the balance in game and dont run Casino owners into bankrupcy.

Purple Lounge?
Stryyke?
Casino Action (TUSK)?

None would have gone bust if they could have fiddled around with the software to guarantee a certain level of profit. Losing one's business is pretty motivating, and if they could have done something "dodgy" to survive, they would have done.

It follows that for MGS it can't be done.

It seems the same for Playtech, many of those have gone bust.

RTG casinos have limited ability to alter overall RTP between 91.5% and 97%, but this has not been enough to save many of them. Rival can do it too, and is why Tradition ended up in the pit before they went bust - they tried to save themselves by an obvious meddle with Blackjack, and then tried to blame a trainee when they got caught.

Even casinos running the truly dodgy softwares like Futurebet, Casinova, etc didn't manage to survive, mainly because they got caught and all trust was lost.

Getting caught is a risk that should deter all but the criminally insane casino owners, who set out right from the start to make a quick buck and then vanish.

If MGS had been up to something, it would have been exposed by now. Many lesser MGS screwups have been found and exposed, but were down to incompetence, not a deliberate attempt to cheat players.

 

[Nifty29]

There is nothing as RNG, its just a MYTH. RTP and result of specially slots are controlled i guess as its very obvious.

A good example would be: you keep playing and you win on some spins and loose on another every few spins and suddenly u hit a free spin and win something. Immediately after everything dry up...you hardly hit a penny win... so how it can be Random??! It's controlled by software to keep the balance in game and dont run Casino owners into bankrupcy.

I don't understand why you continually ignore all the answers to your "mere questions".....if you are totally convinced that bug eyed monsters on the sun (they only come out at night so they don't get burnt) control and manipulate each and every spin wherever you play, and it seems that you are, then just say so and stop wasting the time of members who are trying to help and educate you.

The trouble with players like yourself is that you refuse to learn about the realities of slot machines and gambling in general. You are basically saying "All MGS casinos blatantly cheat and constantly manipulate my results. Well, I'm off to play at MGS again".

I've said it before.....one can at least respect someone who believes they are being cheated if they stopped playing, but I'm quite sure you'll be back playing there again real soon. If you do, then you obviously don't believe your own theories, so why would we believe them?

Accusing a casino/group of cheating based on nothing more than "I lost" is simply the rantings of a sore loser, or someone who has no understanding of what they're spending their money on, or both.

 

[hoff1985]

If this would be true than there would be no players cashing out a couple of thousand and then having a winning streak again one day later.... I think variance sometimes messes up our minds. That's all!

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

There is nothing as RNG, its just a MYTH. RTP and result of specially slots are controlled i guess as its very obvious.

A good example would be: you keep playing and you win on some spins and loose on another every few spins and suddenly u hit a free spin and win something. Immediately after everything dry up...you hardly hit a penny win... so how it can be Random??! It's controlled by software to keep the balance in game and dont run Casino owners into bankrupcy.

Okay yes. So The software is controlled on each username. So instead of a lets say basic RTP on all slots of 95% it is actually on each of our accounts?? So each of us are sure of loosing 5% lifetime.

This means someone winning on the The Dark Knight Jackpot will then experience no wins for very long time??

I doubt it......

Way back in time, I did myself think some casinos had something going on.

I know you discussed about IP address. But no if it was possible, of course it would be on your username. So each time logging in you would then be tracked separate from anything else.

But no this would never be possible. How would we have players winning millions on Jackpot slot and so on.

 

[Osloking]

Especially at BDBA
Ask Osloking how many time he had won big on that game, or maybe it would be better to ask how many time or how much he had lost chasing the big win.:

well its been around ++500.000spins with several year trying to get that damn 5 sapphires in NORMAL mode without any sucsess, but i kinda given up on that, my new target is to get 5wilds on DoA, yeah riiiight!

BUT the most slot that has taken seriously large amount of my money this year is Immortal romance, its the most brutal slot i ever played in my entire gambling history. and the worst part is i go back to it every time for hope to get some crazy wins at wild desire lol (we all do i guess)

 

[Tirilej]

well its been around ++500.000spins with several year trying to get that damn 5 sapphires in NORMAL mode without any sucsess, but i kinda given up on that, my new target is to get 5wilds on DoA, yeah riiiight!

BUT the most slot that has taken seriously large amount of my money this year is Immortal romance, its the most brutal slot i ever played in my entire gambling history. and the worst part is i go back to it every time for hope to get some crazy wins at wild desire lol (we all do i guess)

Please be careful with DoA. That one can be even worser than BDBA.
I have already had 5wilds on DoA three times in just a couple of months playing it, but I can almost bet you will never get it Osloking
Only 4 wilds in the wild desire though