Major US Facing Poker Rooms All Hit Major Processing Problems at Same Time

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Players all over 2+2 are complaining about getting bad checks from Poker Stars, Full Tilt and Cereus (Absolute Poker/Ultimate Bet), the three biggest U.S. facing brands. Echecks are also no longer working at any of them effective early today and there are few if any answers. Full Tilt just sent out a bunch of bonuses to affected players with emails asking players to not deposit the checks if they have not already. If I had to guess I would say there was a major processing bust in the last few days.
 
Personally i don't see why people would request a cheque from an online gaming room. I mean why would you want to wait a few weeks to get it and then wait for it to clear?To me it just seems like a long time to wait to get paid when there are quicker methods.
 
Maybe this explains it....

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Australian payment processor Intabill has been revealed to owe four global poker sites as much as $30 million in unpaid debts. Poker rooms like PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker are on this debt list.


According to an article which appeared in the Australia Courier Mail Intabill owes $30 million to four poker sites including Poker Stars and Full Tilt Poker.

PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker are owed $25 million between them. Operating out of North America and run by Isai Scheinberg, PokerStars is fresh of the back of its first Spring Series of Online Poker (SCOOP) and has recently signed as main sponsor for the WPT.

Full Tilt Poker, the second largest online presence is run out of Dublin and the Isle of Man. The site is famous for its high stakes and big name players. The final $5 million are owed to other online poker rooms.

It is noted that 50% of Intabills ...
 
There are now unconfirmed reports circulating on message boards like 2+2 that the notoriously active AG's office for the southern district of New York may be involved in the Instant eCheck issue.

This office has aggressively pursued mainly sportsbetting operators in the past.

However, so far there has been no official confirmation or comment that this is factually correct. Perhaps something will emerge after the weekend.
 
Personally i don't see why people would request a cheque from an online gaming room. I mean why would you want to wait a few weeks to get it and then wait for it to clear?To me it just seems like a long time to wait to get paid when there are quicker methods.

Me too, I always wondered why would they choose the slowest payments method, maybe because US players have very limited payments method

I think the OP is suggesting that this is only happening to American players in regards to cheques?Please correct me if i am wrong.

He's also refering to Echecks, if this goes on, it will ruin US business very very bad, most of the US players I know, use Echecks to deposit/cashout.

the way I was understanding the first post, is the governement is giving a hard time to all payment method. I hope I'm clear, english is my second langage.
 
Personally i don't see why people would request a cheque from an online gaming room. I mean why would you want to wait a few weeks to get it and then wait for it to clear?

US banks do not place the out of touch time limits on checks as we have with cheques in Australia.

It takes 21 working days for an OS cheque to clear in OZ. Add that to time it takes to receive it and if it's not sent via courier, you could tack another 3 - 4 weeks on.

Even National cheques take 3 working days to clear - even if it's the same bank but a different branch. Unless you pay for a fast clearance ($15) and then it take 24 hours with no guarantee.

Considering that Banks do everything electronically these days, (cheques) are no longer sent from bank to bank...I do not use cheques any more for business nor personal use.

Cheques in Australia are just another way for banks to legally scam customers :mad:


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Before this Poker Stars checks arrived in about 3-4 business days. The checks were drawn on U.S. banks and would clear in just a couple of days. Full Tilt would take a little over a week. Both offered EFT cashouts which were much faster but some players did not have it as an option at Full Tilt at all times. It seems you had to be a step above an entry level player for this ability. I don't believe Cereus had EFT cashouts as you had to take a mailed check or a Western Union cashout at your expense but I don't 100% know for sure as I have not played there since well before the cheating scandals.
 
There are now unconfirmed reports circulating on message boards like 2+2 that the notoriously active AG's office for the southern district of New York may be involved in the Instant eCheck issue.

This office has aggressively pursued mainly sportsbetting operators in the past.

However, so far there has been no official confirmation or comment that this is factually correct. Perhaps something will emerge after the weekend.

This would be really interesting. If this processor really has only processed poker and not touched sports then we may have the court case we have been looking for since there doesn't appear to be any law that would make processing poker illegal. I have to think this is the same reason we never saw Epassporte prosecuted, they didn't want a case they couldn't win to set a dangerous precedent.
 
"Documents obtained by the AP show that a magistrate judge in the district issued a seizure warrant ..."

Has anyone access to these documents and is willing to share those (in public or private)?

Thanks!
 
Taking up the story, Associated Press reported that it had seen documents showing that a Southern District of New York judge had issued a seizure warrant last week for an account at a Wells Fargo bank in San Francisco, and that a federal prosecutor told a bank in Arizona to freeze another account. Apparently the prosecutor informed the Alliance Bank of Arizona that accounts held by payment processor Allied Systems Inc. are subject to seizure and forfeiture "because they constitute property involved in money laundering transactions and illegal gambling offenses."

The FBI has authority to seize proceeds of specified unlawful activity without a warrant under exigent circumstances, another enforcement letter read.

The letter was signed by Arlo Devlin-Brown, the assistant U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York. Devlin-Brown went further, claiming that the funds were "legally seized" by the FBI because the US government has "probable cause that the gambling payments of U.S. residents had been directed to offshore illegal Internet gambling businesses".

In a letter sent to Devlin-Brown on June 8 and referred to in the PPA statement, John Pappas, executive director of the Poker Players Alliance, asserted that the seized funds belong to the Alliance's members, and requested that his group be notified and given the opportunity to be heard regarding attempts to seize the frozen funds.

The PPA letter advises Devlin-Brown that seizure of Allied Systems bank accounts would constitute a violation of due process because there are no exigent circumstances to justify deprivation of PPA members property without prior notice and a hearing.

"The PPA will pursue every legal course available to ensure that poker players' funds are not seized and their right to play poker online is protected," Pappas wrote.

It is not known whether Devlin-Brown responded to the PPA executive.

Reporting on the seizure, the Wall Street Journal confirmed that federal authorities in New York had frozen or seized bank accounts worth $34 million belonging to 27 000 online poker players.

The respected international business publication revealed that the enforcement operation began last week, when the office of the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York froze or issued seizure orders for bank accounts in Los Angeles, San Francisco and Arizona held at Wells Fargo, Citibank, Goldwater Bank and Alliance Bank of Arizona.

Approached for comment by the WSJ, a spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney's office declined to provide frther information.

The WSJ claims that the frozen accounts are managed by Allied Systems Inc., and Account Services, which handle cash for popular online poker sites, including Full Tilt Poker, Poker Stars, Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker.

According to WSJ reporters, Account Services, which had an account worth $15 million frozen in its San Francisco bank, doesn't accept deposits, but writes checks to players who are cashing out, said a lawyer for the company, Jeff Ifrah. As a result, thousands of players receiving checks from the company won't be able to cash them, he said.

Associated Press also reports that in addition to the moves by Devlin-Brown, a grand jury subpoena was issued last week to Allied Systems, seeking information on communications, financial transactions and processing services between the company and Internet gambling operations. The subpoenas also seek corporate records and bank accounts.
 
Reporting on the seizure, the Wall Street Journal confirmed that federal authorities in New York had frozen or seized bank accounts worth $34 million belonging to 27 000 online poker players.

So they are now freezing and seizing individuals bank accounts that were used to transact poker transactions online??

This is a first if that is what has truly happened here then!:rolleyes:
 
Feds Freeze Poker Champ's Winnings
Federal Officials Order Banks to Freeze Millions in Online Poker Winnings
By RUSSELL GOLDMAN
June 11, 2009


On the Sunday before Memorial Day, David made the big time.

Winning $10,000 in an online poker tournament made him eligible for the upcoming World Series of Poker, the game's premier event, where hundreds of players -- amateur and professional -- descend on Las Vegas from around the world to play for a multimillion-dollar pot.

To register, he simply had to cash a check cut by a company that processed payments for the poker Web site Pokerstars.com and use the $10,000 to buy into the series.

When he went to cash the check from Account Services Wednesday, it bounced, he said.

What David, a 41-year-old from Virginia who spoke on the condition that ABC News use only his first name, initially thought was a glitch turned out to be part of an unprecedented government crackdown on online poker that affected some 27,000 people.

Late last week, the federal government ordered five banks to freeze a total of $30 million in payments owed to the players from companies that process payments from two offshore gambling sites, according to the Poker Players Alliance, a group that represents the interests of the companies and players.

"It's not like the government went after money that the site made, instead they seized money that belonged to me," David said. "There is no law that restricts citizens from recovering money."

According to the alliance, federal prosecutors working out of New York's Southern District ordered Citibank, Wells Fargo and three smaller banks to freeze funds in accounts belonging to Allied Systems and Account Services, companies that process funds for the poker sites.

Some affected players who gamble at the popular sites FullTiltPoker.com and PokerStars.com first realized they could not access funds in their accounts over the weekend when checks issued from the companies bounced.

Online poker, a $9 billion to $12 billion a year industry, is legally a gray area, experts told ABCNews.com. Washington is the only state with a law on its books that bans residents from playing on the Internet. The sites themselves, however, are not allowed to operate in the United States and are all registered overseas.



Online Poker Players Alliance Criticizes Freezing of Accounts
"There is no legal precedent for what the government is doing," said John Pappas, executive director of the alliance.

"We contend playing online poker is not unlawful. The government is going after the players' money, not the sites'. The fact is, there is no federal law against playing online poker," he said.

Though the government maintains that online gambling is illegal, the U.S. attorney's office in New York would not comment on the case or confirm an investigation was under way.

According to federal documents obtained by The Associated Press, a judge in the Southern District of New York issued a seizure warrant last week for an account at a Wells Fargo bank in San Francisco. The AP reported that the documents also showed that a federal prosecutor told a bank in Arizona to freeze an account.

In a letter dated Friday and faxed to Alliance Bank of Arizona, Arlo Devlin-Brown, the assistant U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York said that accounts held by payment processor Allied Systems Inc. are subject to seizure and forfeiture "because they constitute property involved in money laundering transactions and illegal gambling offenses," according to the AP.

In another letter, Devlin-Brown asks that the bank treat the funds "as legally seized" by the FBI, saying that the government has probable cause that the gambling payments of U.S. residents had been directed to offshore illegal Internet gambling businesses, the AP reported.

A source at Citgroup familiar with the government request, however, confirmed the "bank has been contacted and is cooperating" with the authorities.

According to the alliance, the laws cited by prosecutors "appear to allege violations of the Wire Act and the Illegal Gambling Business Act" and not to a more recent piece of legislation on online gaming called the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act.

Another player, Sam Friedman, a 24-year-old accountant in New York City who plays every night in tournaments on FullTiltPoker.com, said he realized the company had last week removed an option to deposit winnings directly into his Citibank account.



Internet Poker Players Say Feds Are 'Reaching Into People's Bank Accounts'
"There are lots of ways to deposit and withdraw money and payment options are always disappearing, but something didn't seem right," Friedman said.

"I can't believe the government is reaching into people's bank accounts like this," he said. "For a lot of serious players this is their lifeblood. This is how they make ends meet."

Both FullTiltPoker.com and PokerStars.com have reimbursed players who tried to cash out and were unable to.

"In light of recent events involving the freezing of certain accounts, Full Tilt Poker would like to assure all players that their funds remain safe and secure," spokeswoman Michelle Clayborn said in a statement.

"All players who were affected by the current situation have had their funds returned to their accounts," the statement said. David, the World Series hopeful, said he had been reimbursed by PokerStars and given an additional 10 percent credit.

He used his own savings to buy into the World Series and will use the winnings from his championship game online to pay himself back as soon as he gets them, he said.
 
It time to vote these f*cking pieces of sh*t out of office. These c*cks*ckers do what ever they want and flaunt it, but when it comes to the average person having a little harmless fun like playing poker or smoking weed, they are always up our ass.

But, hey, bring down our economy, or invade a country under a false pretense, and we just have to bend over and take it....

Off with their heads!

:axeman2:
 
AFAIK this has not happened, no player has reported it at least.

I think it may be the confusingly worded WSJ report which said: "federal authorities in New York had frozen or seized bank accounts worth $34 million belonging to 27 000 online poker players."

When it meant that the e-processor firms' accounts had been frozen, impacting 27 000 players.
 

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