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The title of the document is "President Clinton's Pardons, January 2001" and the date is his last day in office. There is also a disproportionate number of crooks from Arkansas on the list.

Yes, very familiar names considering the news coverage during that period of time. It is IMO a great thing that a VP contender has a goal of "ridding Washington of the good ole boy network," the necessity of which is demonstrated by this pardon list.
 
Yes, very familiar names considering the news coverage during that period of time. It is IMO a great thing that a VP contender has a goal of "ridding Washington of the good ole boy network," the necessity of which is demonstrated by this pardon list.

That is about as far as it would ever go to Suze...it would get stopped in its tracks as a goal or wish only, whether she becomes the new VP or for that matter if Biden becomes the new VP and the reason behind this is because the new VP would either be appointed to the
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. Attendees of Bilderberg include central bankers, defense experts, mass media press barons, government ministers, prime ministers, royalty, international financiers and political leaders from Europe and North America.

These three groups of power brokers have already selected who will be the next president of the US back on (June 5-8) when the group last met at the Westfields Marriott in Chantilly, Virginia.

I know most of you guys will take this info with a grain of salt and still believe in your hearts that your vote really does count and that this is just simply conspiracy theory but if you really want to know the truth about our Presidential Puppets and who the actual Puppet Masters are then take the time and do a little research on the three group names I listed above and follow the money trail as it never lies because this rabbit hole runs deep and most of you guys I know will be skeptical of any type of conspiracy theory but once you do some research on these groups and see where they have been and some of the things that can be traced back to them hopefully you will be enlightened and have a new open mind to who is really running our world and the direction that they intend to take it in.
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“I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire, …
The man that controls Britain’s money supply controls the British Empire. And I control the money supply.” by: Baron Nathan Mayer Rothschild (1777-1836) London financier, one of the founders of the international Rothschild banking dynasty
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The Rothschilds are now worth over 100 TRILLION dollars. But it is hard to say when someone actually OWNS nearly all the currency of every nation — and holds their debt. The Rockefellers are worth about 10 trillion. These amounts are unfathomable by most. The object is control, and ever the noose grows tighter as they chip away at our republican foundations. Nothing short of revolution can free us from these thieves who lay claim to our land, property, labors, and our very lives. It starts with saying ‘no’ to funny money (credit, er, I mean, debt) and saying ‘no’ to every encroachment of our liberties. This is the war, and the battleground is you, me, and every person on the planet.

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Welcome to.......THE TWILIGHT ZONE!!!!!!

Just kidding, Robwin!! :D


That is about as far as it would ever go to Suze...it would get stopped in its tracks as a goal or wish only, whether she becomes the new VP or for that matter if Biden becomes the new VP and the reason behind this is because the new VP would either be appointed to the
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. Attendees of Bilderberg include central bankers, defense experts, mass media press barons, government ministers, prime ministers, royalty, international financiers and political leaders from Europe and North America.

These three groups of power brokers have already selected who will be the next president of the US back on (June 5-8) when the group last met at the Westfields Marriott in Chantilly, Virginia.

I know most of you guys will take this info with a grain of salt and still believe in your hearts that your vote really does count and that this is just simply conspiracy theory but if you really want to know the truth about our Presidential Puppets and who the actual Puppet Masters are then take the time and do a little research on the three group names I listed above and follow the money trail as it never lies because this rabbit hole runs deep and most of you guys I know will be skeptical of any type of conspiracy theory but once you do some research on these groups and see where they have been and some of the things that can be traced back to them hopefully you will be enlightened and have a new open mind to who is really running our world and the direction that they intend to take it in.
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I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire,
The man that controls Britains money supply controls the British Empire. And I control the money supply. by: Baron Nathan Mayer Rothschild (1777-1836) London financier, one of the founders of the international Rothschild banking dynasty
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The Rothschilds are now worth over 100 TRILLION dollars. But it is hard to say when someone actually OWNS nearly all the currency of every nation and holds their debt. The Rockefellers are worth about 10 trillion. These amounts are unfathomable by most. The object is control, and ever the noose grows tighter as they chip away at our republican foundations. Nothing short of revolution can free us from these thieves who lay claim to our land, property, labors, and our very lives. It starts with saying no to funny money (credit, er, I mean, debt) and saying no to every encroachment of our liberties. This is the war, and the battleground is you, me, and every person on the planet.
 
Welcome to.......THE TWILIGHT ZONE!!!!!!

Just kidding, Robwin!! :D

LOL...:D...That's exactly what I thought too Jod when I first started researching all this "TWILIGHT ZONE" information about 15 years ago, and I have to admit that I was "the skeptic" at the time, I didn't believe or I should say didn't want to believe what I was reading and hearing and it took me at least a year of solid, damn near full time research in my free evening time to actually...finally come to the conclusion that most all of what I had been researching had teeth to it and was credible info. Like I have said on many previous occasions, all you really have to do to get to the real truth about anything is just simply "Follow The Money Trail" !!
 
Oh Robbbbbbbbb............you are such a kidder! :D

So when you want the straight scoop, I have found it fun to seek Cecil Adams of The Straight Dope for the real skinny..............

A Straight Dope Classic from Cecil's Storehouse of Human Knowledge

Is the Trilateral Commission the secret organization that runs the world?
November 6, 1987
Dear Cecil:

This may sound off the wall, but how about the straight dope on the Trilateral Commission? All my life I've heard about this "secret" organization that supposedly actually runs the world. What's the real story?

Alton F., San Antonio, Texas

Cecil replies:

Alton, you wound me. You should know by now the only person remotely together enough to run the world is ... well, modesty forbids, but you just wouldn't believe what you can accomplish with a home computer these days. (Sorry about that blip in the stock market, by the way--I definitely gotta keep those floppies out of the taco sauce.)

But on to the Trilateral Commission, or TLC, as it's often coyly referred to.


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Oh Robbbbbbbbb............you are such a kidder! :D

So when you want the straight scoop, I have found it fun to seek Cecil Adams of The Straight Dope for the real skinny..............

A Straight Dope Classic from Cecil's Storehouse of Human Knowledge

Is the Trilateral Commission the secret organization that runs the world?
November 6, 1987
Dear Cecil:

This may sound off the wall, but how about the straight dope on the Trilateral Commission? All my life I've heard about this "secret" organization that supposedly actually runs the world. What's the real story?

— Alton F., San Antonio, Texas

Cecil replies:

Alton, you wound me. You should know by now the only person remotely together enough to run the world is ... well, modesty forbids, but you just wouldn't believe what you can accomplish with a home computer these days. (Sorry about that blip in the stock market, by the way--I definitely gotta keep those floppies out of the taco sauce.)

But on to the Trilateral Commission, or TLC, as it's often coyly referred to.


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LOL Suze...:lolup:,,, Cecil Adams...the pseudonym for the unknown authors of The Straight Dope is still to this day trying to figure out what the real 17/23 correlation represents since he first wrote this article back on November 6, 1987...looks to me like Ole Cecil needs to take a break and actually do some in-depth research on this subject if he really wants to be taken serious by the few of us that do know, research like this is more time consuming than most people want to put in though, like I said in the previous post I have spent the last 15 years researching these groups and following these money trails, one of these days I may just turn some of my buddies here onto some of the articles that I have actually written regarding these groups...for now though I will just remain your chief conspiracy theriost...;)
 
There was another, slicker, Willie.
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What a fine cross section of rogues and villains LOL! Presumably the President has to give a reason for giving a pardon - perhaps plea bargain deals for state's evidence or informers, or does that fall under a different system?

I was intrigued to see that there was little information on Roger Clinton's pardon (Google is interesting on him btw)
 
And back to Governor Palin - Wednesday night's proceedings have made her the official Republican running mate, so the fireworks look likely to continue and even intensify.
 
What a fine cross section of rogues and villains LOL! Presumably the President has to give a reason for giving a pardon - perhaps plea bargain deals for state's evidence or informers, or does that fall under a different system?

I was intrigued to see that there was little information on Roger Clinton's pardon (Google is interesting on him btw)

Constitutional Authority for Presidential Pardons
The presidential power to pardon is granted under Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

"The President ... shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment."

No standards, and only one limitation -- no pardons for the impeached.

What the Founding Fathers Said
The whole subject of presidential pardons stirred little debate at the Constitutional Convention of 1787. No less estimable Founding Father than Alexander Hamilton, writing in Federalist No. 74, suggests that, "... in seasons of insurrection or rebellion, there are often critical moments, when a well-timed offer of pardon to the insurgents or rebels may restore the tranquility of the commonwealth."

While a few Founders suggested involving Congress in the pardons business, Hamilton remained certain the power should rest solely with the president. "It is not to be doubted, that a single man of prudence and good sense is better fitted, in delicate conjunctures, to balance the motives which may plead for and against the remission of the punishment, than any numerous body [Congress] whatever," he writes in Federalist No. 74.

So, except for impeachment, the Constitution places no restrictions whatsoever on the president in granting pardons.
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Fascinating reading, especially the original reasoning of the founding fathers: "... in seasons of insurrection or rebellion, there are often critical moments, when a well-timed offer of pardon to the insurgents or rebels may restore the tranquility of the commonwealth."
 
What a fine cross section of rogues and villains LOL! Presumably the President has to give a reason for giving a pardon - perhaps plea bargain deals for state's evidence or informers, or does that fall under a different system?

I was intrigued to see that there was little information on Roger Clinton's pardon (Google is interesting on him btw)

Well Jet, since you asked.............:D



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Nothing short of revolution can free us from these thieves who lay claim to our land, property, labors, and our very lives. It starts with saying ‘no’ to funny money (credit, er, I mean, debt) and saying ‘no’ to every encroachment of our liberties. This is the war, and the battleground is you, me, and every person on the planet


Gotta agree, Rob! :D

My revolution was becoming 100% debt free. It's a tough thing to do...........most of us have been taught to "just charge it" instead of save and pay cash. Yes, I have a credit card which I use and pay in full every month. "Pay as you go" is the only way. If you cannot do that you are probably living outside your means. JMHO
 
Has any of the candidates even been asked about their stance on attaching less-than-favored bills on to important ones that MUST PASS?

This is exactly why USA players are in the situation we are now. We all know the UIGEA would have NEVER passed if it wasn't attached to the port security bill.
 
*pops a dramamine and hands one to Bryan*

I've read various (brief) statements in the news that Palin in anti-gambling. Anyone have a link for some concrete info on this? (Or if it's in this thread and I missed it, just point me in the right direction.)
 
I couldn't find any info about Palin and her attitude toward gambling.

However, the Republican Party Platform is strongly against online gambling and as Palin is Republican party member, she will most certainly follow the party platform.

Internet Gambling
Millions of Americans suffer from problem or
pathological gambling that can destroy families. We
support the law prohibiting gambling over the Internet.
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So if you vote for a Republican for Congress, the Senate or for President you are voting against the freedom to do with your money and live your life as you choose.

I find it very sad and depressing that the political party that used to be all about Personal Freedom and Personal Responsibility (Republican) is now all about creating a "Nanny" Government that creates laws that tell people how to live their lives and how to spend their hard earned money.
 
So if you vote for a Republican for Congress, the Senate or for President you are voting against the freedom to do with your money and live your life as you choose.

I find it very sad and depressing that the political party that used to be all about Personal Freedom and Personal Responsibility (Republican) is now all about creating a "Nanny" Government that creates laws that tell people how to live their lives and how to spend their hard earned money.

lots0, for once I completely agree with your position :thumbsup:

The problem is finding a social liberal that is fiscally conservative.
 
And within the first paragraph of the Republican's platform

We offer it to our fellow Americans in the assurance that our Republican ideals are those that unify our country:...

Distrust of governments interference in peoples lives.


Yeah, I distrust them too. :p
 
The problem is finding a social liberal that is fiscally conservative.

Do you mean someone with just a little common sense and no social agenda?

Because, if you do... Both big political parties are lacking candidates for president that fit that description IMO.
 
Has any of the candidates even been asked about their stance on attaching less-than-favored bills on to important ones that MUST PASS?

This is exactly why USA players are in the situation we are now. We all know the UIGEA would have NEVER passed if it wasn't attached to the port security bill.

Thanks for the suggestion Winbig! Used my webactivist/AARP email to do just that this morning..............will let you know if McCain or Obama respond and, if so, what they say.
 
You mean their Aides, but good enough! :D

I'll let you know that as well..............:D

EDIT:

Received this as I was typing/posting that (above):

Dear Susan,

In less than 24 hours, AARP CEO Bill Novelli hosts separate, live sessions via satellite with Senators Barack Obama and John McCain at the AARP Life@50+ National Event!

You can WATCH BOTH EVENTS LIVE on AARP’s special streaming webcast.

Saturday, September 6

Watch Senator Barack Obama at 8:30 a.m. ET
www.aarp.org/obamawebcast

Watch Senator John McCain at 12:30 p.m. ET
www.aarp.org/mccainwebcast

Since this morning, we have received more than 10,000 questions from AARP supporters asking how the senators will tackle the health care and financial security challenges facing the nation. We’ll be asking some of those questions directly to them – but every question not asked will be personally delivered to Senators Obama and McCain.

Don’t miss this exclusive opportunity tomorrow to hear their positions on the issues that matter most to you.
 
We did have one. Her name was Hillary Clinton:D



Mercy............hope I don't get kicked out of the girl's club for this...........Absolutely could not get behind Mrs. Clinton because I have trust issues with her judgement, e.g., she married Bill Clinton and stayed with him time and time and time again after he cheated on her. And not just below the radar cheats.............no, no............the guy's escapades garnered World attention:eek:
 
Mercy............hope I don't get kicked out of the girl's club for this...........Absolutely could not get behind Mrs. Clinton because I have trust issues with her judgement, e.g., she married Bill Clinton and stayed with him time and time and time again after he cheated on her. And not just below the radar cheats.............no, no............the guy's escapades garnered World attention:eek:

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Aren't they Catholic? I thought Catholics didn't believe in Divorce.

Even if they're not, I actually have to give them credit for trying to work things out. With divorce rates well over 50% nowdays, it's actually nice to see a couple staying together after what he did. Divorce = the easy way out.
 
Mercy............hope I don't get kicked out of the girl's club for this...........Absolutely could not get behind Mrs. Clinton because I have trust issues with her judgement, e.g., she married Bill Clinton and stayed with him time and time and time again after he cheated on her. And not just below the radar cheats.............no, no............the guy's escapades garnered World attention:eek:
..................i think she has good intentions, but im with you suze and lets not forget when he lied to the american people" i did not have sex with that woman"...do cigars count also?:D
 
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Aren't they Catholic? I thought Catholics didn't believe in Divorce.

Even if they're not, I actually have to give them credit for trying to work things out. With divorce rates well over 50% nowdays, it's actually nice to see a couple staying together after what he did. Divorce = the easy way out.


Fair enough Winbig. Doesn't change how I perceive her judgement, unless of course the vows they took were to love, honor, cherish.......and run for public office. :D
 
..................i think she has good intentions, but im with you suze and lets not forget when he lied to the american people" i did not have sex with that woman"...do cigars count also?:D

:lolup::lolup: Made my night Laurie!:notworthy
 
lots0, for once I completely agree with your position :thumbsup:

The problem is finding a social liberal that is fiscally conservative.
Good luck finding a fiscal conservative in either party. They both like to spend the taxpayers' money, they just like to target it at different recipients, and the republicans prefer to borrow money and to dump the problem on future generations instead of raising taxes. I am amazed that the republican have managed to brainwash the American people that they are somehow fiscally responsible. (Quiz: To which party belonged the presidents who ran the biggest deficits (excluding the two world wars), either in current dollars or adjusted for inflation or calculated as a percentage of the GDP?)
 
Good luck finding a fiscal conservative in either party. They both like to spend the taxpayers' money, they just like to target it at different recipients, and the republicans prefer to borrow money and to dump the problem on future generations instead of raising taxes. I am amazed that the republican have managed to brainwash the American people that they are somehow fiscally responsible. (Quiz: To which party belonged the presidents who ran the biggest deficits (excluding the two world wars), either in current dollars or adjusted for inflation or calculated as a percentage of the GDP?)

I'd venture to guess the republicans of course. The two presidents are Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush with the biggest deficits upon leaving office.
 
Good luck finding a fiscal conservative in either party. They both like to spend the taxpayers' money, they just like to target it at different recipients, and the republicans prefer to borrow money and to dump the problem on future generations instead of raising taxes. I am amazed that the republican have managed to brainwash the American people that they are somehow fiscally responsible. (Quiz: To which party belonged the presidents who ran the biggest deficits (excluding the two world wars), either in current dollars or adjusted for inflation or calculated as a percentage of the GDP?)

All they really need to do to fix the deficit is just simply print out some more money out of thin air like they do anyway since there is nothing that backs our dollar anymore since Nixon took us off the Gold Standard before he was ran out of office!! :rolleyes:
 
id say nixon/ ford and george bush sr. ronald reagan i consider imo to be the best republican president of my lifetime and someone i admired and cried like a baby when he died, he never ever back down and stood up for america and those countries that are now enjoying freedom, he helped bring down that wall in germany, most people under 21 dont even realize that nor care..............my 2 1/2 cents worth....................laurie
 
I think Dr. Ron Paul is a true Fiscal Conservative and has some great ideas about how to "Fix" the US Economy. Too bad the current republican leadership is scared to death of him.

You know what else I find amazing... that someone not running for any public office is willing to give his own time and money in an effort to help America get back on its feet and away from the dependence on non-us oil, Mr T. Boone Pickens.

You don't have to be a Democrat or Republican to fix problems, you can just be an American.

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I think Dr. Ron Paul is a true Fiscal Conservative and has some great ideas about how to "Fix" the US Economy. Too bad the current republican leadership is scared to death of him.

You know what else I find amazing... that someone not running for any public office is willing to give his own time and money in an effort to help America get back on its feet and away from the dependence on non-us oil, Mr T. Boone Pickens.

You don't have to be a Democrat or Republican to fix problems, you can just be an American.

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Couldn't agree with you more there lots0...:thumbsup: Dr. Paul even said he would not even take a salary if he were president and to this day he returns every dime of his current salary each year that he earns as a representative...you and me both know why he did not make it any farther in the primaries than he did though...

The main problem is that neither party will ever fix the energy or should I say OIL problem as long as the corporations are allowed to continue to run this country from behind the scenes and both sides continue to be bought off after they get into office...that was the problem with Dr Paul, they knew that they could not buy him off !! ;)
 
Couldn't agree with you more there lots0...:thumbsup: Dr. Paul even said he would not even take a salary if he were president and to this day he returns every dime of his current salary each year that he earns as a representative...you and me both know why he did not make it any farther in the primaries than he did though...

The main problem is that neither party will ever fix the energy or should I say OIL problem as long as the corparations are allowed to continue to run this country from behind the scenes and both sides continue to be bought off after they get into office...that was the problem with Dr Paul, they knew that they could not buy him off !! ;)
i liked dr. paul rob, i really did and i read the links way back when that you provided. we have 2 candidates to pick from, unless your gonna do like hubby jim, hes writing his own name in on the ballot to show his dis pleasure:o i just want whats best for all of america. so whos it gonna be? i dont know, you dont know yet, but this country does need to get back on the right track and i could really give a flying flip if its a democrat or republican but someone has to do something and do it fast imo................laurie...........i really do want Mcain, i cant lie, sorry;)
 
i liked dr. paul rob, i really did and i read the links way back when that you provided. we have 2 candidates to pick from, unless your gonna do like hubby jim, hes writing his own name in on the ballot to show his dis pleasure:o i just want whats best for all of america. so whos it gonna be? i dont know, you dont know yet, but this country does need to get back on the right track and i could really give a flying flip if its a democrat or republican but someone has to do something and do it fast imo................laurie...........i really do want Mcain, i cant lie, sorry;)

I guess you don't want to gamble online anymore? Keep our kids over in Iraq for another 10 years? :)

Let's put it like this: If they put together all the money they're spending in Iraq, they could more than afford to have free national health care.

Either way, it's your choice and right to vote for him. :)
 
i liked dr. paul rob, i really did and i read the links way back when that you provided. we have 2 candidates to pick from, unless your gonna do like hubby jim, hes writing his own name in on the ballot to show his dis pleasure:o i just want whats best for all of america. so whos it gonna be? i dont know, you dont know yet, but this country does need to get back on the right track and i could really give a flying flip if its a democrat or republican but someone has to do something and do it fast imo................laurie...........i really do want Mcain, i cant lie, sorry;)

Its never too late to still vote for Dr Paul Laurie, his name will still be on the ticket whether he has been chosen by his party or not, as long as folks like yourself keep thinking that you have to choose from one of the two candidates that are the front runners of each party then nothing will ever change...the same old shit will continue to go on year after year after year, It drives me nuts that you still don't get it...they (Both Parties) are OWNED by the big corporations and the players behind the scenes...this has been proven time and time again through out the history of the democratic/republican party presidents...Ask Jim, I'm sure he will tell you the same thing. Do like Jim is going to do and send them a message !!
 
I agree with you Lotso! Ron Paul makes the most sense,but unfortunately he is too much of a maverick to get anyone behind him. The game of politics has a way of squeezing out the good ones like him.

I think Dr. Ron Paul is a true Fiscal Conservative and has some great ideas about how to "Fix" the US Economy. Too bad the current republican leadership is scared to death of him.

You know what else I find amazing... that someone not running for any public office is willing to give his own time and money in an effort to help America get back on its feet and away from the dependence on non-us oil, Mr T. Boone Pickens.

You don't have to be a Democrat or Republican to fix problems, you can just be an American.

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Hillary didnt stay with Bill because it was the right thing to do or because Catholics arnt suppose to divorce or because she wanted to work things out.

She knew way back then that she was going to run someday and needed a husband to back her up. Im betting she said "you really F'd up, now your gonna pay me back by staying with me and supporting me in 2008"

That woman always did have a motive for everything.

IMHO: voting for McCain is like voting for Bush all over again and Im not about to do that
 
Hillary didnt stay with Bill because it was the right thing to do or because Catholics arnt suppose to divorce or because she wanted to work things out.

She knew way back then that she was going to run someday and needed a husband to back her up. Im betting she said "you really F'd up, now your gonna pay me back by staying with me and supporting me in 2008"

That woman always did have a motive for everything.

IMHO: voting for McCain is like voting for Bush all over again and Im not about to do that
yadda, yadda ,yadda, still luv ya you ole democrat voting hussy:D .....................laurie
 
awww, aint they cute?

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:lolup: :lolup: :lolup:

This says it all right here:

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Too funny Win...:lolup::lolup::lolup:
now if i put up something not so political correct about obama and his running mate, you guys would be all over my case and having a feild day, who on here has the balls to do that one, without getting slammed and made to feel like crap cause they dont share the same political veiws as what seems to be the majority on here.:mad:
 
now if i put up something not so political correct about obama and his running mate, you guys would be all over my case and having a feild day, who on here has the balls to do that one, without getting slammed and made to feel like crap cause they dont share the same political veiws as what seems to be the majority on here.:mad:

Not with me Laurie...you post something like that about Obama and I will tell you too that it is funny, I have no love lost in either of those puppets !! :p
 
now if i put up something not so political correct about obama and his running mate, you guys would be all over my case and having a feild day, who on here has the balls to do that one, without getting slammed and made to feel like crap cause they dont share the same political veiws as what seems to be the majority on here.:mad:

Nope, I'd be laughing as well :)
 
[/B] yadda, yadda ,yadda, still luv ya you ole democrat voting hussy:D .....................laurie



LOL, ITs ok, When my brother was in town for a visit and we were talking about it he looked at me so confused and said " Im surprised, I thought you were republican like the rest of our family?" He still loves me too. Actually Im Independent because I would never totally be faithful to either party because not just one person(party) has all the right answers. I wish we could just have "people" running and share their views and we work together instead of against each other. We all want the same thing in the long run, peace.
 
What has always bothered me about the presidential elections is my vote (in the end) doesn't count for chit. The electoral votes are what matter. And I always end up not wanting to vote for either of the two candidates... I hate being forced to choose (what I consider) the lesser of two evils.
 

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