I still have a hard time understanding random

[deepsky2]

Ok they say slots are random right? One could say you can go a long time with no wins or hit a jackpot 2 or 3 times in a row as its all random so anything can happen anytime.

For instance was watching a documentry on Vegas and were the slots pay out. They say north and south of the strip slots are looser, main strip are tighter

but if there really random shouldnt they be same no matter were you play?

Online my experience it seems most of the time after making a deposit no or very little wins but i do get some good wins and playtime as well and when I find when this happens after winning so much it seems to go dead and usally if im up 500 or so not to many times above that it always seems to go dead.

and after so I do withdrawl the 500.00 weather i reverse or not the next day or so It always seems to bottom out, reverse draw is like a deposit but rarly I get any playtime when making a reverse withdrawl and i know to well Im more likely going to loose it but we all seem have that little hope.

I just dont believe there total random. If they can be set to a percentage payout how can that be reandom.

 

[dionysus]

Ok they say slots are random right? One could say you can go a long time with no wins or hit a jackpot 2 or 3 times in a row as its all random so anything can happen anytime.

For instance was watching a documentry on Vegas and were the slots pay out. They say north and south of the strip slots are looser, main strip are tighter

but if there really random shouldnt they be same no matter were you play?

Online my experience it seems most of the time after making a deposit no or very little wins but i do get some good wins and playtime as well and when I find when this happens after winning so much it seems to go dead and usally if im up 500 or so not to many times above that it always seems to go dead.

and after so I do withdrawl the 500.00 weather i reverse or not the next day or so It always seems to bottom out, reverse draw is like a deposit but rarly I get any playtime when making a reverse withdrawl and i know to well Im more likely going to loose it but we all seem have that little hope.

I just dont believe there total random. If they can be set to a percentage payout how can that be reandom.

It's random for a given value of random.
Imagine there's two companies that run 2 draws:

Company A sells 25 tickets for a prize of $1000
Company B sells 25 tickets for a prize of $100.
Same percent chance of winning (assuming, you and every one has one ticket)..but different payouts

Scenario 2:

Company A sells 25 tickets for a prize of $1000
Company B sells 100 tickets for a prize of $1000...different odds

Either way, your chance of winning in any of those draws are still random, when they dip their hand into the bowl.
With slots, no bowl, a pool of outcomes.

 

[muziq]

good reply capt

 

[quber]

This explanation, with an example, from the Wizard of Odds shows how the RTP is calculated for a random slot

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[Cogge]

Explanation from Dilbert

 

[243 lines=daft]

This explanation, with an example, from the Wizard of Odds shows how the RTP is calculated for a random slot

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That explanation of the near miss effect is very useful. It seems a very deliberate 'deceit', undoubtedly incredibly effective and lucrative.
But definitely a deceit.

 

[quber]

That explanation of the near miss effect is very useful. It seems a very deliberate 'deceit', undoubtedly incredibly effective and lucrative.
But definitely a deceit.

You don't really get the 'near miss' on the 5 reel slots though as the symbols aren't weighted instead they appear multiple times on the reel.

On the weighted reels in the example, reel 3 has the bar weighted at 1 therefore there is one chance out of 64 for it to land central, whereas the Blanks either side have 8 and 7 chances respectively, which will show the Bar symbol as either above or below to create the near miss, on a 5 reel slot each symbol has one chance to land central so those two blanks would just be spread out as 15 separate blanks so with only one bar still the near miss is no more. Odds still stay the same.

I think that most regulators now state that the operators are not allowed to use near miss situations to increase player expectation.

This weighting was done mainly for the slots that had physical reels as you wouldn't be able to have the reels big enough to hold all the symbols, now we have video slots the reels can be as big as they want with hundreds of symbols on each reel if needed.

 

[clees42]

i thibk this is funny.

 

[Shawn80]

Lets say a game have 95% RTP.

If I play 1000 rounds without a free-spin: If its true random, the chance for hitting free-spin should be the same even if I have lost 1000 rounds before.

But isn't that mathematically impossible if the longterm RTP is 95%?

I understand that RTP is over the games lifetime. But it can't be true random. If it was, it would be possible to beat the house. People could be lucky and hit max payout time after time.
Especially if you factor in that you can be different amount of money. If someone hits big with a huge bet: The RTP must be lower for the other players to pay.

My experience is that when I raise my wager, I have less chance to hit. (at least at Playtech)

(sorry for my shaky English. Its not my native language)

 

[Perc]

It's only a theoretical RTP that they design the games with. It's all based on the way the symbols are laid out in each reel strip. They can adjust the RTP by changing the reels - like swapping out a low paying symbol for a wild symbol on one of the reels would increase the theoretical RTP.

The reel strips themselves are not random, the symbols are laid out on each reel very specifically while using a mathematical equation that determines the theoretical RTP over millions of spins. Each reel is usually different. You've probably noticed after playing the same slot for a while, that wilds or scatters will show up more often on some reels and less often on others, that is what gives the designers control over the RTP.

What is random is the random number generator, this spits out numbers that tell the reels what position to land on. In a computer program each reel would just look like a series of numbers. When you hit spin, the random number generator feeds the software with numbers telling the reels where to stop, then the software determines your win instantly while you watch what looks like the reels randomly spinning until they stop. Usually the result is "cut in" to the animation, you can tell when you see two scatters or wilds stacked on top of each other roll by, when you know they aren't actually stacked like that.

Hope that helps.

 

[slotmaster]

Was in Vegas a few months ago and I can tell you downtown were paying way more than the strip. Mind you there was more people playing down there than the strip.

 

[nikantw]

Easy!

Casinos take random amounts from random players, add them up and give a percentage of the sum to a randomly selected player!

Piece of cake!