I have a suggestion for anyone interested who is a web dev!

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So I have this idea,

Ideally my idea is simple. A site where you can view the RTP of slots for each provider and each casino. Alternatively they can fund it by just google adsense. That way it might still be allowed to be linked to via CM and other forums etc etc. Domain names could be something that has rtp in the domain name. Like onlinecasinosrtp .com as an example.

I mean, I am a web dev and I could make the site myself. But I thought it would be far too much work to do it alone. So hence why I thought I would just give my idea freely to someone else to do on this forum.

I mean maybe @Casinomeister would like to perhaps make a section instead perhaps? Maybe Then they could ask members to contribute the info that then just gets added to the separate page on the main CM site?

Having all that info in 1 thread would not be ideal as it would be very long and hard to navigate and find what we need when we need it.

So ideally the site should not link to any casinos or be an affiliate site. Unless it is on the CM website (that is if Bryan decides to add this section)

So if Bryan does not decide to add the section. Then the following:

Not affiliate links to casinos. No links to casinos. Just name the casinos in plain text (CSS styling is fine)
List slot providers per casino brand, which is clickable but just leads to a page for that casinos RTP info for the providers So rtprtprtprtp dot com/X Casino name here/Providers/Rtp

The example link to separate pages above can have the providers rtp on the same page if needed if a casino does not have that many providers. Some providers have usually the same RTP for the majority of their slots.

Searchable casino names for easy finding and usability.
Adsense could be used for an income.
Also must provide links to responsible gambling etc etc and have the 18+ icons etc etc which is now law in pretty much most countries.

This would be a hell of a lot of work. So in essence it would be ideal for contributions from as many as possible. Maybe add an easy submit system or you could just create it as a wiki style system where anyone can edit the data..... Then mods or admins could check the data before it goes live etc etc? So many options.

It would be I think a nice welcome addition in this day and age with the fact a lot of countries are bringing in new laws and regulations to online gambling etc etc Some casinos also hide that RTP info away and make it very hard for the average Joe or gambler to know or find the RTP info for a slot they want to play or are playing!

I would have loved to make the site myself. It would have been a fun project for me to do but I just do not have the time. This would be a lot of work and if for example I had a lot of help to get the data for every casino and all the slot providers slots RTP for those casinos. Then it would be not as bad then I just have to put all that into the database etc etc.

I prefer a wiki style system though, makes it far better. Less work for mods or admins to do that way. All the devs have to do then is just maintain the site etc etc.

So I leave it here for who ever might be interested! :)

EDIT: Of course for my suggestion I would love a cut of the adsense revenue! hahahaha obviously just some banter. I share this idea open and freely and I do not want anything. Just wanted to have a bit of fun :)
 
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On a sidenote: If you did decide a wiki style system. Then a domain name like (rtpwiki dot com) or (slotsrtpwiki dot com) might be perfect...... :)
 

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I belive this is impossible as the RTP's change a lot on diff casinos.
There's also a very big list of casinos.. So i believe this a full time job. The income you will get will be near to zero.
 

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Would it not just be easier to have a list of casino's that have not nerfed their RTP, which seem to be few and far between, so much easier to collate :)
 

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Even then, changing of RTP is common these days. Even most MGA license casino's go below the 96+% Creating the initial snapshot is doable, keeping it up to date is nearly impossible.
It's not that casino's will hapily update us when they change the settings, most of the time this is done behind the scenes and not even publicly announced.
There are enough examples of this.
 

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I belive this is impossible as the RTP's change a lot on diff casinos.
There's also a very big list of casinos.. So i believe this a full time job. The income you will get will be near to zero.
It would be relatively easy to automate this. Just hire a dev to write a crawler that would go round and collect and check the information on casino sites on a regular basis.
 

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Hmmm, let's take Pragmatic for example. Each game has several RTP options. To facilitate this you would need to login with the crawler, start each game and check the rtp.
Casino's will block these accounts very fast. Even some games don't load if you have no balance on your account.
So technically it's possible, but the work that needs to be done is very extensive.
Each game needs to be polled for all providers who work with variable RTP.
We know that more and more providers are giving several RTP options, so ..
 

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It would be relatively easy to automate this. Just hire a dev to write a crawler that would go round and collect and check the information on casino sites on a regular basis.

Yep crawlers could work too. To collect data, I still think this is a great idea. I mean imagine a wiki type website that lists all casinos and slot providers in that casino then you can view the RTP there and then instantly, without having to manually do it in every casino or for every slot you decide to play? In some cases RTP info is very very hard to find and hidden away. This way it makes it far far easier for everyone to find it.

I mean obviously if CM decided to do this as a section on the CM main website. Then they could get income also from affiliate links too.

I mean there is affiliates who already use CM's who also own and run their own websites already. So maybe they will have saw this and thought, now this is a great idea and could generate a hell of a lot of traffic to their sites. Which indeed it would. But only downside then is they will not be allowed to advertise that site on this forum or other forums if they have affiliate links. Yet I do still see some members do still list their own affiliate sites in there profiles and signatures?. Like some staff etc etc and a few other members too!?

Maybe they have had permission from Bryan that they can have it in their signatures?

Anyway it is all upto you now if anyone decides to do this and start this project :)
 

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It would be relatively easy to automate this. Just hire a dev to write a crawler that would go round and collect and check the information on casino sites on a regular basis.
Already tried this, this idea we had a couple of months back. You cannot crawl the RTP's for each casino effectively, unless like Betfred or White Hat for example they have a list of game RTP's - if in help files only it's impossible, or embedded in images like some. It would be a full-time job maintaining it on a daily basis and anyway, it seems every casino is progressing toward the 94% models too. It would be better, as said in another post, to simply state casinos with no RTP reductions as of yet.

If an affiliate, it could also jeopardize your account(s) listing their business in a detrimental way compared to other casinos - for example naming their site on a specific list of negative comparisons.
 

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I mean wikipedia works in such a way that you do not even need to create an account to be able to edit the info listed. Only downside is on wikipedia it then lists your IP instead when not logged in. But if you create an account then that username gets displayed instead.

This could be the same or similar system that this rtpwiki site could also do. As I said, User imput would help create a database. If a casino decides to change the RTP of a slot by a certain provider and a user then notices this when they check the help file for the RTP info, they just then need to head over to the rtpwiki site and edit the info for that casino and slot provider and slot etc etc. Also Play N Go RTP is always in ranges anyway, They have 3 RTP ranges that they allow casino operators to choose from. So for most of those, They would be identical. So there could be shortcuts for Not having to list each Play N Go slot, they could just list Play N Go then the RTP Range that casino has chosen to use for their slots. As basically all of their slots have the same RTP in that range picked.

Like for example BTG, They always have the same RTP for all of their slots too, 96.45% I think it is on the top of my head. So for that provider again would be easy as they do not offer lower RTP options for casino operators.

So some it would be easy, others much harder.

For example No Limit City, They have drastically different range of slots, usually each individual slot has a different RTP because they have different max win potentials, Hence why the RTP varies for each of their slots. So this provider would need to have individual slots listed as well under that particular casino

This was just some extra examples of how the site could be done and work and how it would all be down to user inputs and edits by users.
 

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Already tried this, this idea we had a couple of months back. You cannot crawl the RTP's for each casino effectively, unless like Betfred or White Hat for example they have a list of game RTP's - if in help files only it's impossible, or embedded in images like some. It would be a full-time job maintaining it on a daily basis and anyway, it seems every casino is progressing toward the 94% models too. It would be better, as said in another post, to simply state casinos with no RTP reductions as of yet.

If an affiliate, it could also jeopardize your account(s) listing their business in a detrimental way compared to other casinos - for example naming their site on a specific list of negative comparisons.

Ok, no comment on the wiki style user edit input idea? This would make it not hard to maintain. It would just be a few users editing data until the site got more well known...... Once the site got very popular it would then get edits and updates very fast and regularly as the userbase increased etc etc..... :)
 

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Ok, no comment on the wiki style user edit input idea? This would make it not hard to maintain. It would just be a few users editing data until the site got more well known...... Once the site got very popular it would then get edits and updates very fast and regularly as the userbase increased etc etc..... :)
Would never work but nice idea - firstly most casino players don't have any RTP awareness like we do and secondly I can't see players when wanting their slot fix to take time out and update it. I see what your idea is, same as ours, a kind of 'oddschecker' for slot games but betting is all about odds or percentages whereas to 95% of slotters percentages aren't something they consider. I would be a lot of work in comparison to the few people that would actually use it. That said, my FPC slot provider RTP pages do get a lot of traffic, but if related to the reasons for wikirtp I cannot say for sure.
 

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Would never work but nice idea - firstly most casino players don't have any RTP awareness like we do and secondly I can't see players when wanting their slot fix to take time out and update it. I see what your idea is, same as ours, a kind of 'oddschecker' for slot games but betting is all about odds or percentages whereas to 95% of slotters percentages aren't something they consider. I would be a lot of work in comparison to the few people that would actually use it. That said, my FPC slot provider RTP pages do get a lot of traffic, but if related to the reasons for wikirtp I cannot say for sure.

BIB - Wiki type sites do gain a lot of users anyway. So personally I do not see an issue in the lack of users who would be willing to edit a few RTP's every now and again. It only takes a few per user each day and you are already on your way to having a very up to date list of current RTP's

But fair enough maybe one day this idea might see the light of day. If someone does decide to do it, please do not forget to PM me and let me know about it :)
 

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BIB - Wiki type sites do gain a lot of users anyway. So personally I do not see an issue in the lack of users who would be willing to edit a few RTP's every now and again. It only takes a few per user each day and you are already on your way to having a very up to date list of current RTP's

But fair enough maybe one day this idea might see the light of day. If someone does decide to do it, please do not forget to PM me and let me know about it :)
It would still be far too much work, who would be checking the user input was correct?
How about casinos who have variable RTP's for different countries? Aspire for example using the 91% setting in the UK, they can't do that under their MGA license. There are also 5 settings for Play N Go, not 3, the other 2 are REALLY low!
I'm fairly sure you couldn't scrape the data from game helpfiles, so couldn't automate it, unless theres some way I'm not aware of.
Not sure why you say no one should have affiliate links on there, yet it's ok if it's Bryan, what difference does it make?

It's a good idea but the workload would be immense unfortunately :(
 
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