Hunch That Casinos Tighten After Withdraw...

[X-Raided]

I just want to see if others like myself have had a feeling
that casinos tighten your overall RTP after making a withdraw.

I won't say which casino it was, but I will state
that it is a trusted Rival casino.

After making a $1,200 withdraw after my very first deposit,
I re-deposited $150 back in and within
10 minutes of betting 40cents - $1.50 per spin on various slots,
my money got sucked up like a vacuum with no bonus rounds
and numerous dead spins.

I re-deposited another $100 and played blackjack at $10 a hand,
only to witness the dealer make 3 consecutive blackjacks in a row
and deal me numerous 15's and 16's back to back.

I re-deposited another $100 and had the same experience on
various slots.

After that point I stopped depositing.

Anyways, I just have a strong hunch that after the casino approves
your withdraw, they will literally go into your settings and lower
your RTP until the withdraw to deposit ratio on their end is satisfactory.

Anyone else had this happen?

 

[marcsudbury]

yeah i feel the same way, but......you just beat the odds and cashed out, so in the end you're probably not going to beat the odds 2 times in a row. that's my theory.

although it does happen, but odds are really against you in that case.

 

[denamoutz]

you made the comment "tighten your overall rtp" does each individual have an rtp? or is the rtp based on all players? i have always wondered this?

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

And nobody knows when asking the experts...just strange somebody has to know somebody who knows somebody in the business who knows??

 

[takethemoney]

After $40k in random jackpot wins, I am not only proof of it, but proof it occurs across the entire RTG network, in my swag. (scientific wild assed guess) 119 deposits and counting with no wins.

It just so happens I'm off this afternoon and will not be making any Quick Tender deposits anywhere. Nope...me and my wallet are headed to a land based casino about an hour from me, where I will come home with money and savor instant cashouts. I'll watch others play and get a sense for which machines are paying, then move in for the kill! LOL

 

[Nifty29]

RTP is game based and not per player (some strongly disagree but there is no evidence to support that theory )

X-raided - the problem you experienced after you withdrew is nothing to do with RTP.

You deposited $100 and played $10 bets - THAT is the problem right there. Any informed bj player will tell you that bankroll is grossly inadequate to support $10 bets. Deposit $1000 and have what you described occur over and over and then it might hold water.

Same with slots particularly at Rival. Most are high variance and WILL suck your cash like a vacuum especially if, again, you don't have the bankroll to ride the curves.

Nothing you have described is out of the ordinary and is absolutely no indication of a change in individual RTP settings.

You can't win every time and after a nice win you should probably expect to lose - that's just how it rolls with gambling.

 

[X-Raided]

RTP is game based and not per player (some strongly disagree but there is no evidence to support that theory )
X-raided - the problem you experienced after you withdrew is nothing to do with RTP.
You deposited $100 and played $10 bets - THAT is the problem right there. Any informed bj player will tell you that bankroll is grossly inadequate to support $10 bets. Deposit $1000 and have what you described occur over and over and then it might hold water.
Same with slots particularly at Rival. Most are high variance and WILL suck your cash like a vacuum especially if, again, you don't have the bankroll to ride the curves.
Nothing you have described is out of the ordinary and is absolutely no indication of a change in individual RTP settings.
You can't win every time and after a nice win you should probably expect to lose - that's just how it rolls with gambling.

Nifty,

I have agreed with you in different statements you've made in
assorted threads, but I cannot be in agreement with your reply.

The play I had with my first deposit made, (looser)
and the play I experienced a few days after making
a withdraw (tighter) differ to the point where the slots appeared to have
been manipulated and changed.

I do agree with what you said about expecting to lose... But
not the way I did when last depositing.

Takethemoney seems to be experiencing the winning, withdrawing
and re-depositing blues like I just had a taste of.

Nifty, no disrespect, but you seem always pro-casinos.
Where are your winning screen shots? Do you even play on-line anymore?

 

[Da_Gambla]

Nifty, no disrespect, but you seem always pro-casinos.

Please define for me, pro-casinos?

Is everyone else anti-casinos? I'm assuming that's you? If you are anti-casinos, why do you deposit and play?

Where are your winning screen shots? Do you even play on-line anymore?

Do you have to have a current screenshot posted to participate in discussions here? Luckily, I have one, but.. when does that expire? I need to know how often I have to get one posted before my right to respond to posts here at CM is suspended.

Thanks!

- Keith

 

[X-Raided]

Please define for me, pro-casinos?

Is everyone else anti-casinos? I'm assuming that's you? If you are anti-casinos, why do you deposit and play?



Do you have to have a current screenshot posted to participate in discussions here? Luckily, I have one, but.. when does that expire? I need to know how often I have to get one posted before my right to respond to posts here at CM is suspended.

Thanks!

- Keith

Kool Keith, would you like a medal or something?
Your taking everything I said out of context to try to shine.

Nifty is a big boy, he can speak for himself.

 

[Nifty29]

Nifty,

I have agreed with you in different statements you've made in
assorted threads, but I cannot be in agreement with your reply.

The play I had with my first deposit made, (looser)
and the play I experienced a few days after making
a withdraw (tighter) differ to the point where the slots appeared to have
been manipulated and changed.

I do agree with what you said about expecting to lose... But
not the way I did when last depositing.

Takethemoney seems to be experiencing the winning, withdrawing
and re-depositing blues like I just had a taste of.

Nifty, no disrespect, but you seem always pro-casinos.
Where are your winning screen shots? Do you even play on-line anymore?

The problem is that when some people have a nice win, they complain when they lose afterwards because 'the casino threw the lose switch' or something of that order. It is all an illlusion. If you had that exact session after a previous losing session, you would not have come here to complain about it. In any case, the amounts you deposited vs the bet amounts is the real reason it was a losing session....and it's not my opinion, it's mathematical fact.

In regards to takethemoney - well they won $40k in random jackpots. How many players have done that? It was a very very unusual run of luck (and I didn't notice them posting complaints in the forum about having such an unusual event occur...interesting considering they are now complaining about an unusual run of bad luck). Now, they say that they have lost $20k of it back with '116 lost deposits in a row'. Well, one thing to take from that is that they are still $20k ahead since that win which is hardly a cause for complaint. The other thing is that I don't believe that they have had 116 deposits in a row where they never had a chance to cashout. It is very likely that their betting patterns changed after the big win and that their acceptable cashout point was higher...this is a common occurrence and it has happened to me and others I am sure.

Anyway, there is no way to prove takethemoney's claims unless we are able to view all the game logs and the deposit history (the deposits alone will not give the true picture) and that ain't gonna happen. For me it's a personal judgement of whether the claim is likely to be true, and personally I think it isn't.

As for the screenshots of lack thereof....are you seriously saying that a member's entitlement to comment is proportional to the amount of screenshots they post??? You have to be kidding surely. It's the most ridiculous suggestion I've heard in ages. I also don't see that it matters whether I'm playing or not - it isn't a prerequisite for membership or posting last time I checked.

Am I always pro-casino? No. Am I always 'pro-personal responsibility' and 'pro-player self-education'? Yes. I have zero sympathy for players who don't take the time to understand what they spend their money on and who don't bother to educate themselves about terms and conditions. Most of the time it's like someone punching another in the face, and then accusing them of assault for head-butting their fist.

 

[Da_Gambla]

RTP is game based and not per player (some strongly disagree but there is no evidence to support that theory )

X-raided - the problem you experienced after you withdrew is nothing to do with RTP.

You deposited $100 and played $10 bets - THAT is the problem right there. Any informed bj player will tell you that bankroll is grossly inadequate to support $10 bets. Deposit $1000 and have what you described occur over and over and then it might hold water.

Same with slots particularly at Rival. Most are high variance and WILL suck your cash like a vacuum especially if, again, you don't have the bankroll to ride the curves.

Nothing you have described is out of the ordinary and is absolutely no indication of a change in individual RTP settings.

You can't win every time and after a nice win you should probably expect to lose - that's just how it rolls with gambling.

Nifty, as I understand it here, you are expected to be pro-casino. In the post quoted above, you are not defending this casino properly, and instead, are throwing out vague RTP terms that might apply to any casino, or realistically, any gambling situation. This is not acceptable. If you are going to be pro-casino, please put more effort into it.

Also, your status as pro-casino might very well be in jeopardy over this post last week:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/cassava-group-stole-my-£2-000-winnings.42427/

The following are problems with that post that might raise suspicions of the pro-casino union:

• You are clearly siding with the player.
• You are using words like 'entrapment' against the casino.
• You are calling their behaviour outright roguish.

Also, please upload a current screenshot of you gambling online. I am just finding out that this is necessary to have your pro-casino viewpoints considered when you respond. Why? LMAO... I really have no effin' clue.. but just get it done. You can steal any image from the Winner's Screenshots thread, drop it into Photoshop, do some quick editing, and re-post it, mate.

Please let me know you received this PM, k?

- Keith

 

[X-Raided]

The problem is that when some people have a nice win, they complain when they lose afterwards because 'the casino threw the lose switch' or something of that order. It is all an illlusion. If you had that exact session after a previous losing session, you would not have come here to complain about it. In any case, the amounts you deposited vs the bet amounts is the real reason it was a losing session....and it's not my opinion, it's mathematical fact.

In regards to takethemoney - well they won $40k in random jackpots. How many players have done that? It was a very very unusual run of luck (and I didn't notice them posting complaints in the forum about having such an unusual event occur...interesting considering they are now complaining about an unusual run of bad luck). Now, they say that they have lost $20k of it back with '116 lost deposits in a row'. Well, one thing to take from that is that they are still $20k ahead since that win which is hardly a cause for complaint. The other thing is that I don't believe that they have had 116 deposits in a row where they never had a chance to cashout. It is very likely that their betting patterns changed after the big win and that their acceptable cashout point was higher...this is a common occurrence and it has happened to me and others I am sure.

Anyway, there is no way to prove takethemoney's claims unless we are able to view all the game logs and the deposit history (the deposits alone will not give the true picture) and that ain't gonna happen. For me it's a personal judgement of whether the claim is likely to be true, and personally I think it isn't.

As for the screenshots of lack thereof....are you seriously saying that a member's entitlement to comment is proportional to the amount of screenshots they post??? You have to be kidding surely. It's the most ridiculous suggestion I've heard in ages. I also don't see that it matters whether I'm playing or not - it isn't a prerequisite for membership or posting last time I checked.

Am I always pro-casino? No. Am I always 'pro-personal responsibility' and 'pro-player self-education'? Yes. I have zero sympathy for players who don't take the time to understand what they spend their money on and who don't bother to educate themselves about terms and conditions. Most of the time it's like someone punching another in the face, and then accusing them of assault for head-butting their fist.

Well put... Surely your not that naive, are you? You do NOT know
the intricacies of the online casinos internal software and nor do I.

Come back down to earth Nifty and be a little bit more logical, you
wombat.

It's all about the money and WILL always be about the money.
If a casino is down they CAN and WILL tighten up. Now.. Is it
player aimed or not? That's the debate.

 

[Nifty29]

Well put... Surely your not that naive, are you? You do NOT know
the intricacies of the online casinos internal software and nor do I.

Come back down to earth Nifty and be a little bit more logical, you
wombat.

It's all about the money and WILL always be about the money.
If a casino is down they CAN and WILL tighten up. Now.. Is it
player aimed or not? That's the debate.

Actually, wombats are quite intelligent......

Show me where my logic is flawed and we'll discuss it.

 

[X-Raided]

Actually, wombats are quite intelligent......

I know, and since it's a marsupial like your
Kangaroo avatar, it popped up in my head.

Show me where my logic is flawed and we'll discuss it.

Can't. Some believe my logic and some technical heads (Da_Gambla)
prefer yours. (I read his response to Silcnlay about 3Dice).
Wasn't there some stuff about a picture surfacing showing
the back end of RTG's software?

 

[Deeplay]

I just want to see if others like myself have had a feeling
that casinos tighten your overall RTP after making a withdraw.

I won't say which casino it was, but I will state
that it is a trusted Rival casino.

After making a $1,200 withdraw after my very first deposit,
I re-deposited $150 back in and within
10 minutes of betting 40cents - $1.50 per spin on various slots,
my money got sucked up like a vacuum with no bonus rounds
and numerous dead spins.

I re-deposited another $100 and played blackjack at $10 a hand,
only to witness the dealer make 3 consecutive blackjacks in a row
and deal me numerous 15's and 16's back to back.

I re-deposited another $100 and had the same experience on
various slots.

After that point I stopped depositing.

Anyways, I just have a strong hunch that after the casino approves
your withdraw, they will literally go into your settings and lower
your RTP until the withdraw to deposit ratio on their end is satisfactory.

Anyone else had this happen?

It can feel like this especially after a decent win but fact the casinos do not need to manipulate payouts Rtp etc as the hosue edge is always built in. I think what some people fail to see is when on a roll we expect it to continue, when it stops or after a big hit we cant seem to hit anything then the mind starts playing tricks we look to somhow lay blame for a sustained run of losess. Nothing which you posted above seems out of the ordinary for casino play. Pretty standard in fact. And playing 10 a hand on BJ with a 100 bank roll is not really going to get anyone very far unless they have an extreme run of great hands.

Even on a 150 deposit betting upwards of 1.50 per spin can see your bank roll go in no time. Lets say on bet an avergage of 1.00 per spin with a 150 bank roll. At the start you know your going to get 150 spins plus any more that arrive with small wins etc. Its not out of the bounds of possibilty that you do not hit a feature within those spins and dont hit something big in normal play.

I have had tons of sessions where i have gone 300 400 or in extreme cases near on a 1000 spins without hitting anything decent or no features f/s ect.

Then at other times I have hit fs on the first spin. There is no pattern wins and losses come and go, but as human beings its natural we try to see patterns. Im not saying either that ALL online casinos do not interfer with the back end, but I cant really see even the likes of Rival powered software needing to do this as the games are built from the ground up to ensure that in the long term the casino will come out on top no matter what the player does. And im not a casino rep and never play at rival these days as I cant stand their software, or the risk of having problems cashing out. But I dont think the software is fixed at all.

Who knows on your next deposit no matter if its 10 or 100 you could hit a max payout on spin 1

 

[2btakn]

After $40k in random jackpot wins, I am not only proof of it, but proof it occurs across the entire RTG network, in my swag. (scientific wild assed guess) 119 deposits and counting with no wins.

It just so happens I'm off this afternoon and will not be making any Quick Tender deposits anywhere. Nope...me and my wallet are headed to a land based casino about an hour from me, where I will come home with money and savor instant cashouts. I'll watch others play and get a sense for which machines are paying, then move in for the kill! LOL

I miss Washington casinos. Way different from Oklahoma ones. If they have Milk Money Rich Little Piggies or American Original I wanna go! Always hit the jp with those. Well in Tacoma anyway. Sorry for the derail.

 

[Nifty29]

Just wanted to chime in and announce that Bryan has extended my posting rights for another month after I agreed to post these screenies:

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[colly]

Just wanted to chime in and announce that Bryan has extended my posting rights for another month after I agreed to post these screenies:

Link Outdated / Removed

Almost there you nifty little wombat
You have only fullfilled one part of the postings rights requirement though= Now you have to prove they are yours?? (LOL)

 

[Iredge]

I don't believe in a cheating casinos. Especialy when it comes to slot machines. They would have to alter the code protected with a solid encryption for that, and Microgaming surely would not provide any casino owner with the tools to do that. On the other hand...

One thing I find odd is that I noticed that when I am on a winning streak..it seems that any slot or at least one out of 2 gives me free spins, bonus, big payouts...etc on the other hand when I am on a losing streak...no matter what machine I try I get absolutely nothing.
But lately however...this kind of theory completely evaporated in my mind when I hit a nice 600,00 EUR out of a 1.50 spin on my 5,00 remaining bankroll.

 

[H1_Roller]

re: the OP - I always found that happening to me after a withdrawal. That is why I never deposit again until the money reaches my bank account.

I don't believe for a second that your individual RTP is altered to get the money back off you, as much as I'd like to believe it! I just put it down to swings and roundabouts; you win some (rarely), you lose some (mostly).

 

[chuchu59]

This is more likely to be a psychological thing. You encounter a good winning session with a rtp of say 130% and in your mind the rtp wont go any where under 90%. After the win you get used to having good returns that anything less than 100% might seem unacceptable. We must remember, however, that rtp should not be based purely on individual sessions and should be based on overall play. In other words, you are bound to lose the longer you play.

What I find it difficult to believe is what we were told about the software having no memory and each spin is independent of each other. Icant prove it but I do have serious doubts.

 

[Osloking]

my last month on 3dice has been nightmare, i asked CS what my rtp was and they told me 84%, but i dont know why but this rtp has been for whole month in september