Bonus Complaint 'Cassava' Group Stole My £2,000 Winnings

nannyjilly

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Hey, I signed up here a while ago and forgot about it. I am on holiday at the moment and my son just suggested here might be able to help me!

I signed up to 888 casino (who can argue with Shane Warne?:D) and lost some money just before xmas, then after that I kept on getting emails/popups to sign up at other casinos with the promise of bonuses for my first deposit!

The first one was SpinWin, I played the games I was allowed to play, finished their 'rollover' and I won about £1000 I think, so I thought that was great obviously, just before xmas too!

Whilst waiting for my winnings to be paid to me, another offer came up for Eurocity, after being massively up I got brave and started to bet big, and managed to get my balance up to around just under €2k!! I had to finish their 'rollover' thing again, but when I went to sign in the next day my account was blocked!

After loads of emails/calls and advice from my friend who works for a lawyers, (who said they have no right to take my winnings if I followed their rules) I was told that as I have signed up to casinos in the same group, they will not be paying me any of my winnings! Even though they bombarded me with emails/popups telling me to sign up!

Surely this is bordering on criminal? They quoted me this term;

In the event that the Company believes a user of the Service is abusing or attempting to abuse a bonus or other promotion, or is likely to benefit through abuse or lack of good faith from a gambling policy adopted by the Company, then the Company may, at its sole discretion, deny, withhold or withdraw from any user any bonus or promotion, or rescind any policy with respect to that user, either temporarily or permanently, or terminate that user's access to the Services and/or block that user's account.

So that was my Christmas ruined. I stupidly lost money at another site not even considering I wouldn't be paid. :(

Has anyone sued this company before? In British law you cannot enforce ambiguous terms like this that are unfair.
Shane has let me down big time. :(
 

maxd

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Strongly suggest you have a look at our Pitch a Bitch service: see the Pitch-A-Bitch FAQ for important information and advice on the PAB process.

Once you fill out the Pitch-A-Bitch form I will have the details I need to send a formal complaint to them.

Another good reason to do this is that 888 are currently being evaluated for Accreditation on this site, which means were keen to hear about any player issues they may be having. Although yours isn't directly related to 888 they are obviously connected to the other casinos.

The Pitch-A-Bitch service is free of charge to all Casinomeister.com members. I hope you will find it suitable to your needs.

Regards,
Max Drayman
Casinomeister.com, Player Grievance Manager
 

Rachel888

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Hi Nannyjilly,

can you please pm me or email me all your details and I will look into this for you.

Username, First name, Last name, location and email address you registered with.

Kind Regards,
Rachel
 

nannyjilly

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Wow, wasn't expecting such a quick reply!
Looks like I posted this just at the right time, thanks Max.

Ok Rachel I will PM you now.

Once again, thanks Max. :thumbsup:
 

nannyjilly

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Well the rep has got back to me and unfortunately she can't do anything - I broke no terms, they just don't want to pay me.

So it seems the Cassava (888) group like to throw ambiguous terms at you if you happen to win.

This seems to contravene the Casinomeister terms for a casino to be accredited, (Must not confiscate winnings for vague & unclear reasons, such as "irregular playing patterns" or "bonus abuse", without specific T&C violations.) so it looks like they will not be.

On the bright side at least I have found this site, and the casinos that will pay me if I happen to win, which is more that what I had a few weeks ago. :oops:
 

rainmaker

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After loads of emails/calls and advice from my friend who works for a lawyers, (who said they have no right to take my winnings if I followed their rules) I was told that as I have signed up to casinos in the same group, they will not be paying me any of my winnings! Even though they bombarded me with emails/popups telling me to sign up!

:(
I can`t understand why there should be a problem to sign up at differents casinos in the same group. Sometimes the casino group will encourage this.

For example, I use Betsson. Betsson operates casinos like CasinoEuro, CherryCasino, Norgesautomaten (Norwegian casino) and some more. It has never been a problem for me to be a customer in both Betsson and CasinoEuro.

If the reason for holding back your winning, is "because you have signed up to casinos in the same group". Then it sounds a bit rougish to me. Unless its stated in their T&C
 

chayton

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Usually you can have accounts at multiple casinos in one group, but some have rules about only being able to get one signup bonus per group.
 

me_and_ed

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Well the rep has got back to me and unfortunately she can't do anything - I broke no terms, they just don't want to pay me.

So it seems the Cassava (888) group like to throw ambiguous terms at you if you happen to win.

This seems to contravene the Casinomeister terms for a casino to be accredited, (Must not confiscate winnings for vague & unclear reasons, such as "irregular playing patterns" or "bonus abuse", without specific T&C violations.) so it looks like they will not be.

On the bright side at least I have found this site, and the casinos that will pay me if I happen to win, which is more that what I had a few weeks ago. :oops:

Now I would PAB
 

nannyjilly

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Ah ok yes I will do that, let's see what happens!

Well I haven't read any term about not being able to have more than 1 account in the same group. I didn't even know they were in the same group before I signed up, I just stupidly clicked on an email or popup if I recall correctly.
 

KasinoKing

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Ah ok yes I will do that, let's see what happens!

Well I haven't read any term about not being able to have more than 1 account in the same group. I didn't even know they were in the same group before I signed up, I just stupidly clicked on an email or popup if I recall correctly.
Unfortunately it is in their MASSIVE terms here:
You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

(I assume the same terms are on all their sites).

Two extracts from this huge page (9,477 words! :eek:):
Introduction:
The Company offers gambling services via its in-house brands such as i) 888, (ii) Casino-on-Net, (iii) Pacific Poker, (iv) 888sport, (v) 888ladies, (vi) 888games, (vii) 888casino, (viii) 888poker, and (ix) Reef Club Casino (each an "In-House Brand") and via third parties' brands as part of so called "white labels" such as (i) RileysPoker, (ii) Tower Torneos, (iii) LuckyAce, (iv) Littlewoods, (v) Racing Post and (vi) Harrah's (each a "White Label Brand").

Section 10 - Bonuses:
All users of the Services shall be entitled only to one welcome bonus. Members who make their first deposit with the Company or any of its white label partners and who have or previously had an account with any of the Sites owned or operated by the Company, including both In-House Brands and White Label Brands, shall not be entitled to an additional welcome bonus, unless the Company decides otherwise at its absolute discretion.
However, if they wish to become fully Casinomeister accredited there are certain criteria to be met and in my honest opinion, by bombarding existing players with e-mails and/or pop-ups encouraging them to sign-up & claim bonuses at their sister brands, they are clearly breaching these CM requirements:

* Must have a clean history of fairness towards their customers.
* Must not use false, misleading or deceptive advertising.
* Must not spam, and must take appropriate actions against any affiliates or any third parties who do spam.
* Must not implement terms that can be construed as "unfair" towards the player.
* No player shall be involuntarily placed into a situation which breaches the terms and conditions during the course of play.

If not done so already, I would definitely take up Max's suggestion to Pitch-A-Bitch.

KK
 

rainmaker

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Thanks for looking it up KK:)

The on thing that may "save" nannyjilly is:

"shall not be entitled to an additional welcome bonus, unless the Company decides otherwise at its discretion. "

If he register at one casino in the group, and starts getting "sign-up-bonus" offerings in the mail (because of the signup) from other casinos in the group then I assume that "the Company has decided otherwise", or they would not give him the offers.
 

Simmo!

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Yes definitely PAB if they induced you to sign up at and take a bonus at their other casinos.
 

GrandMaster

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Unfortunately it is in their MASSIVE terms here:
You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

(I assume the same terms are on all their sites).
Of course, this does not give a full and up-to-date list of white labels. The proper way to deal with this issue would be to present the player with the list of sister casinos and white labels and make him confirm that he has no account at any of them before awarding him the sign-up bonus.
 

BBKPoker

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Hi Nannyjilly,

can you please pm me or email me all your details and I will look into this for you.

Username, First name, Last name, location and email address you registered with.

Kind Regards,
Rachel
Absurdity. You routinely market your sites to many customers (including myself) to signup at the 12308911232342 white label skins you put up then use people having accounts at more than one skin as an excuse to not pay.

I was extremely disappointed to see 888 or any of its skins get any consideration for Accreditation since this is a tactic they've used for a long time. If you don't want people to sign up at multiple skins, then don't market them using your customer base, and if your customers follow the terms of the bonus rules you should pay promptly rather than making excuses about betting styles or patterns.
 

BBKPoker

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Of course, this does not give a full and up-to-date list of white labels. The proper way to deal with this issue would be to present the player with the list of sister casinos and white labels and make him confirm that he has no account at any of them before awarding him the sign-up bonus.
And probably also not to obviously market every single new skin that comes out to every customer in their marketing database so they can then steal their winnings if they decide they don't like their play.
 

nannyjilly

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Yes exactly - "unless the Company decides otherwise at its discretion." Seems quite clear to me they used discretion when they kept on advertising other sites, and most importantly - Actually GIVING me the bonus

Very very dirty trick they have tried to play on me here. Anyway, thanks for your help/support guys. (Especially u KK for finding that term!)
 
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