Gransino uk players

[essuk]

Does anyone know anything about gransino and whether it's UK friendly

 

[L&L-Jan]

gransimo

I hit a French site, doesnt look like this is UK regulated.

Also games displayed are quite old, meaning, no one is maintaining the site or manages games.

 

[essuk]

They have loads of new games

 

[dunover]

They have loads of new games

If it hasn't got a UKGC license, don't play there.

 

[Guntis]

Maybe "Gransino"? If so, to me, it looks like the kind of casino GamStop users typically look for. No UKGC license, takes bank cards, displays bonuses in GBP, fake-looking games, etc.

 

[essuk]

I'm not on Gamstop

 

[Avernite]

Why do I get the feeling this will turn into a charge back thread?

 

[justdoit]

 

[justdoit]

They have loads of new games

100%fake, real crypto casino will never offer you 450% bonus and 375spins

 

[jasonuk]

100%fake, real crypto casino will never offer you 450% bonus and 375spins

... and the "time left" counting down too. Pressure selling is a strong indicator of a scam or dishonest transaction.

 

[slot_zombie]

450% bonus, that's never, ever coming back out...

 

[conker]

... and the "time left" counting down too. Pressure selling is a strong indicator of a scam or dishonest transaction.

I've done some research into 'not on gamstop casinos' and the countdown timer on the bonus is a common feature with many. In fact there is likely a little design agency in some far-flung corner of the planet pumping out skin after skin of these sites. Regulators can't keep up with them, but most of these sites lead back to the same source and they are making a killing.

 

[justdoit]

I've done some research into 'not on gamstop casinos' and the countdown timer on the bonus is a common feature with many. In fact there is likely a little design agency in some far-flung corner of the planet pumping out skin after skin of these sites. Regulators can't keep up with them, but most of these sites lead back to the same source and they are making a killing.

I think all no gamestop casino run by orgnized crimnals from Romania Bulgaria Azerbaijan

 

[Webzcas]

A search for "Gransino GamStop" on google returns a lot of these non gamstop affiliate sites which promote this casino. There is your answer. Avoid!!!

 

[jasonuk]

I've done some research into 'not on gamstop casinos' and the countdown timer on the bonus is a common feature with many. In fact there is likely a little design agency in some far-flung corner of the planet pumping out skin after skin of these sites. Regulators can't keep up with them, but most of these sites lead back to the same source and they are making a killing.

It's the same with the exodus to Costa Rica and Anjouan from Curacao - sites that have had the "shackles" of regulation removed (which is hilarious, given Curacao barely regulated them beyond getting paid) are now getting more and more manipulative to defraud people.

The problem is when the host country is willing to turn the other way, it makes the job for other countries significantly more difficult - and when one finally gets shut down, they've got another 10 ready to go...

As with any gold rush, the one selling the shovels will make a fortune - if there are turnkey companies pumping out all of this stuff, you have to worry if we'll see a return to pirated games in the future (although given Pragmatic and others will offer their slots to anything with a pulse, you'd anticipate they would willingly offer 70% slots if there was enough demand anyway)

 

[conker]

although given Pragmatic and others will offer their slots to anything with a pulse, you'd anticipate they would willingly offer 70% slots if there was enough demand anyway

As a player, this is possibly low on your concerns when depositing at a casino targeting gamstop. I don't want to make light of it, but you gamble on some crappy low RTP slots and lose a little money then you can probably live with that. What is more dangerous is:

- You win big ($1000's) or you win a jackpot - there is no guarantee you will get that and a high likelyhood you wont
- Your details get sold around between sites, you get lots of unsolicited messages, emails, whatsapp
- You're encouraged to gamble whatever you have, mobile phone bills, money you don't have, there is zero RG

Basically, you have fallen into the hands of criminal enterprise and it is up to them what they do with your information and potentially your money. There is no oversight, no protections, you are on your own.

That is why every reputable forum member is screaming: AVOID casinos like these!

 

[jasonuk]

As a player, this is possibly low on your concerns when depositing at a casino targeting gamstop.

It's unfortunate that you cherry-picked half an observation because this isn't an either/or... these are on top of the existing concerns.

Legitimate providers (or Pragmatic) give credibility to rogue outfits - sites that 5-10 years ago would have used no-name providers or pirated games, now can deploy a variety of legitimate versions. It clearly works because we've seen people react "who would play at this shithole casino" when they see a site with 100 slots they've never heard of, but drop their guard when they see NLC, Hacksaw and Pragmatic slots...

The providers have had an opportunity to take a stand on this stuff, and decided the bottom line is more important. So at this point they're not innocent third parties anymore.

With the increasing footprint of the high seas, we are likely to see more games developed and deployed that are not tested under any established framework (UKGC, Nevada, Malta, Alderney, IoM etc). They may not be pirated games anymore, but they could share many of the same characteristics - including impossible jackpots and extremely low RTPs.

It's another con trick in the ever-increasing web of deceit. Just because you don't realise you are being scammed, doesn't mean you aren't...

That is why every reputable forum member is screaming: AVOID casinos like these!

100% - hopefully the CM review system can take this into account in the future as well - because the situation is not just recommending good casinos, but highlighting ones to run - not walk - away from. We're going to need a bigger rogue pit...

It seems players are far too trusting of providers right now, who clearly don't care as long as they get paid.

 

[conker]

It's unfortunate that you cherry-picked half an observation because this isn't an either/or... these are on top of the existing concerns.

I didn't mean for it to come across that way and I can see why you felt that point was cherry picked, apologies. I just wanted to make a point about how dangerous some of these outfits are and why players need to be really careful.

If you are correct in your observation that Pragmatic and other notable providers are undeterred in providing their games to casinos without licenses then this is particularly shameful. My research led me to the conclusion that most of the games provided through casinos of this type were counterfeit clones.

Pragmatic, like many other software developers, hold gambling licenses all round the world and I can't believe it is in their interest to take money from unregulated casinos in this way. However, there is little that surprises me in this industry any more.

 

[Guntis]

How about this beast, is it fake or real? By the look, it's an exclusive game by Pragmatic Play for their casino. Mystake is unlicensed here, plus promoted everywhere on sites that push non-Gamstop casinos.

 

[justdoit]

How about this beast, is it fake or real? By the look, it's an exclusive game by Pragmatic Play for their casino. Mystake is unlicensed here, plus promoted everywhere on sites that push non-Gamstop casinos.

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every casino they change to their name and drop RTP to 94%

 

[jasonuk]

If you are correct in your observation that Pragmatic and other notable providers are undeterred in providing their games to casinos without licenses then this is particularly shameful. My research led me to the conclusion that most of the games provided through casinos of this type were counterfeit clones.

Pragmatic were a no-name provider in the sea of big names... they jumped on the monopoly money streamer bandwagon which catapulted their name to the front. Pretty much any shithole casino with a worthless license has Pragmatic at this point.

Having a "license" (however useless) is such a low bar at this point, that an operator without one is clearly rogue.

Pragmatic, like many other software developers, hold gambling licenses all round the world and I can't believe it is in their interest to take money from unregulated casinos in this way. However, there is little that surprises me in this industry any more.

Thankfully CM has a long enough memory to remember who Pragmatic were before... they have repeatedly denied it despite many of the same people being involved in both.

Now-a-days it's about misdirection, the games can be "legit" (even if dull as dishwater) while all the shady shit goes on around it... unless a regulator chooses to be proactive about it, much of the shady shit goes by without comment - which is a problem when we're seeing tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars of gambling fraud right now.

 

[conker]

Thankfully CM has a long enough memory to remember who Pragmatic were before...

Yep, I have a long memory too. I remember when the previous incumbent that PP is connected to were in their pomp and the shit-housery they were getting up to.

Ultimately it is up to regulators to put their foot down on B2B license holders, but first they must prove their is a business relationship between shady casinos and developers. With the advent of cloned games, that is another level of proof required by the regulator.

Maybe a better way of doing this is for a regulator like the UKGC to go after PP for having their slots at unlicensed casinos and put the burden of proof on the developer. PP would be forced to direct efforts to get their slots off unregulated sites, whether they are cloned or have provided them willingly.

 

[jasonuk]

With the advent of cloned games, that is another level of proof required by the regulator.

It is, but that one is easy to verify (for a technically savvy audience at least). If the API traffic goes to a known server of the provider then it is legit, if it does not then it isn't.

When it comes to PP and others, a number of times people have inferred the game was running pirated games because of weird behaviours, but the API traffic showed they were legit and running "custom versions" of the game.

There was even one operator offering a NetEnt game that had been "retired" years prior - so obviously screams pirated... and incredibly it wasn't, it was still available for deployment by the NetEnt servers.

 

[Guntis]

In case interested, here is info on what Pragmatic Play/TopGame was/is all about:

• casinolistings.com/software/pragmatic-play
• professionalrakeback.com/pragmatic-play-has-a-shady-past

 

[conker]

It is, but that one is easy to verify (for a technically savvy audience at least). If the API traffic goes to a known server of the provider then it is legit, if it does not then it isn't.

It makes you wonder why more action hasn't been taken.

There was even one operator offering a NetEnt game that had been "retired" years prior - so obviously screams pirated... and incredibly it wasn't, it was still available for deployment by the NetEnt servers.

There is something inherently broken at NetEnt and this is just another example. I don't get why Evolution turns a blind eye, unless they like having a black sheep in their stable.