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Question Gambling with Slots - Luck or Skill?

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I'd love to hear you're thoughts on this subject, as some believe that every element of gaming is governed by luck. On the other hand, there are those who believe that success can’t truly be reaped in gaming unless a player utilises carefully-honed skill.

So what is gaming governed by: luck or skill?
 
Outcomes are 100% luck due to the (apparent :rolleyes:) total random nature of the games.

I do feel there is a 'skill' portion of gaming however. This I feel includes the following...

What slots to play, what slots to avoid, what bet sizes to start out at, when to increase/decrease bet, when to change game, which casinos to play at/avoid, when to withdraw, never to reverse, all could loosely be described as 'skill' based IMO.
 
I agree with the above posts. My approach to gambling is that it is not how much you win but how little you lose.
It applies much more comfortably with card games,especially online group games such as texas holdem,but it can easily be applied to online slots. Don't expect to win big and be tight with what you have got.
 
Bankroll management is the key and self discipline is a skill in itself. Though there are times when the session is doomed regardless of what slot is played.

As for cpu based table games, they're more bent than a 9- bob note. Following any type of skilled play is pointless, unless you're some type of soothsayer
 
It's luck and completely random in terms of getting a decent to big base game win (25x plus) and also hitting the free spins. However, i believe the player can mitigate this by "anticipating" when to increase bet size or decrease. This, like any gambling strategy, is far from full proof but from my experience it does work often, but being the gamblers we all are, when it does work you think it will continue, and you either up your bet or fail to drop it right back down. So knowing when to stop and switch games is the hardest skill of all to learn.
 
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jonmincher said:
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A very serious question requiring a very serious answer of course..
In my case it's really black and white:

I lose? that was PURE bad luck!
I won? now there's a skilled punter doin his thang, if you ever saw one! :p

Total skill? Using the fine semantics of how (the applied g-forces, finger movements, and if outside, the influence of the wind) and when (time of day, alignment of the stars and similar scenarios in parallel universes) exactly to press that spin button, and of course where (the longitude and latitude of the casino's server, the spot you are in whilst spinning) all play a big role in the acquiring of this skill called "gambling".

Don't be fooled by the definition of the word itself, not for one second! That was an elaborate plan of the people that saw the future, they forced the Dictionary people to give the word a false meaning, making us believe it actually is all a luck based random event, on which we put our monies....

:D
 
jonmincher said:
Outcomes are 100% luck due to the (apparent :rolleyes:) total random nature of the games.

I do feel there is a 'skill' portion of gaming however. This I feel includes the following...

What slots to play, what slots to avoid, what bet sizes to start out at, when to increase/decrease bet, when to change game, which casinos to play at/avoid, when to withdraw, never to reverse, all could loosely be described as 'skill' based IMO.
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You said it all :thumbsup:
 
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I'm surprised more people don't use my method of slotting. I tend to kiss the screen three times, then whisper sweet nothings into the left USB port. Make sure to have Eye of the Tiger playing on cassette or else it won't work.

On specialist games like DOA things can get a bit more tricky. Best thing to do here is to sit naked and wear the relevant attire, in this case a cowboy hat. They shouldn't be hard to come by.

When it looks like the game wants to cheat you, one has to lick the screen in an anti- clockwise, circular motion. This has brought me more 5 scatters than I've had sex. With Taylor Swift.

So there you go, no need to thank me. The only time it hasn't worked is every time.
 
Luck, it's all luck, unless you are competing against other players, either at poker or in tournaments.

Then there is also strategy involved.

There's a need to read and understand terms, I guess you could call it a skill.

Never pass up a chance to enter a free contest where you are playing anyway, or a leaderboard. Someone wins that trip, or that gadget.

If you play slots, choose your bonuses carefully. Some are better than others. The best of them will let you lose a little less than expected.

And should you get lucky, know that it exactly what it is, and make the most of it by cashing out and spending most of it on something real.

Don't know if it's a skill, but do a little research.

All the luck in the world will be wasted if you play at a clip joint that won't pay you if you do win.

And even the best of casinos will not pay you if you break the rules.

Signed... recently lucky.
 
Hm, I saw similar topics so much times on each forum and I practically have the standard answer for such cases you can not implement your skills in slot games. It's the same as trying to use your skills in internet roulette. Yes, it may have some use in real life and land-based casinos but in this case you are powerless. Totaly there are two types of slot games: free slot games for fun and for real money and surprisingly they have different coefficients of "luck". I mean that playing the free slot games you will win more often than in games for real money. But, in fact you can not influence the game. Playing free slots with no downloading and no registration
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I've noticed that after 100-120 plays I had more than 3400 coins on my account, but playing for real money after the same number of games passed, I had just 50 coins on my account. Both in two places I used the same strategy to play slots and made even the same bets... Don't know if it's rue, but I think that this is just a game to play it for luck, not for skills...
 
goatwack said:
I'm surprised more people don't use my method of slotting. I tend to kiss the screen three times, then whisper sweet nothings into the left USB port. Make sure to have Eye of the Tiger playing on cassette or else it won't work.

On specialist games like DOA things can get a bit more tricky. Best thing to do here is to sit naked and wear the relevant attire, in this case a cowboy hat. They shouldn't be hard to come by.

When it looks like the game wants to cheat you, one has to lick the screen in an anti- clockwise, circular motion. This has brought me more 5 scatters than I've had sex. With Taylor Swift.

So there you go, no need to thank me. The only time it hasn't worked is every time.
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you've made my day with such a useful advice :lolup:
 
Ridde said:
At this moment feels like "when to withdraw" is best skill.
Last weeks have been pure stupidity.
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That's the thing.....the number of times I've looked back on a session and thought 'that was my peak balance, I wished I'd withdrawn there' and then lost it all!

There should be a 'Peak-o-Meter' which tells you when your session is not going to get any better for that day. And by far the worst sin is reversing withdrawals, I've been pretty poor in that regard recently too. Self- discipline is the ultimate tool and the realization that the games are still going to be there next time you visit.

Well, except the odd slot that Netent like to pull that is :eek:
 
interlog said:
I'm with Jon on this one.

The only "skill" I recently used is when to cash out before the slot turns cold. With IR (the slot I have been playing most recently) this has worked because after I cashed out it suddenly turned and took money almost quicker than it gave.
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How can you know that? You continued in playmoney-mode?
Then it's debatable if you got the same results.

What i always wonder at is after i increased bet size,
do I get the same spins I would have gotten betting my usual bet?
I guess you cannot answer that, butterfly effect and all :P
 
tataru said:
How can you know that? You continued in playmoney-mode?
Then it's debatable if you got the same results.

What i always wonder at is after i increased bet size,
do I get the same spins I would have gotten betting my usual bet?
I guess you cannot answer that, butterfly effect and all :P
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When I cash out, I always leave some money in to play with, hence I know.
 
We all agree that slots are random and therefore all luck and no skill.
But as to cash-out determining factors such as..... when to quit, when to switch slots, when to raise bets... are these really skills? The law of physics says what goes up must come down. We are all susceptible to the ups and downs, gains and losses of slot machines. Sometimes I'm on a winning streak. If I'm not or my luck turns around, I stop what I'm doing. I don't know if that is "skill" or just survival instinct....
 
goatwack said:
I'm surprised more people don't use my method of slotting. I tend to kiss the screen three times, then whisper sweet nothings into the left USB port. Make sure to have Eye of the Tiger playing on cassette or else it won't work.

On specialist games like DOA things can get a bit more tricky. Best thing to do here is to sit naked and wear the relevant attire, in this case a cowboy hat. They shouldn't be hard to come by.

When it looks like the game wants to cheat you, one has to lick the screen in an anti- clockwise, circular motion. This has brought me more 5 scatters than I've had sex. With Taylor Swift.

So there you go, no need to thank me. The only time it hasn't worked is every time.
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Ahaha this made my day :D
 
tataru said:
What i always wonder at is after i increased bet size,
do I get the same spins I would have gotten betting my usual bet?
I guess you cannot answer that, butterfly effect and all :P
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No, you wouldn't get the same. You started a new session with another betsize.
Never beat yourself up because you lowered a bet. What you get then you wouldn't have if you had stayed.

I'm happy there are no skills I can use when playing slots. I play when I need to escape and having fun, not to prove how stupid or smart I am :)
 
Before starting playing online casino I had been sure that victory depended on luck. But it isn't so easy!! You have to know what to do, how to do. Unfortunately even skills and experience can't help you sometimes. As for me it is still a mystery how to win here I think it depends on both luck and skills. But I can be wrong.:)
 
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Nadia said:
Before starting playing online casino I had been sure that victory depended on luck. But it isn't so easy!! You have to know what to do, how to do. Unfortunately even skills and experience can't help you sometimes. As for me it is still a mystery how to win here I think it depends on both luck and skills. But I can be wrong.:)
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The link under 'here' should be deleted. Thanks.
 
Tirilej said:
No, you wouldn't get the same. You started a new session with another betsize.
Never beat yourself up because you lowered a bet. What you get then you wouldn't have if you had stayed.

I'm happy there are no skills I can use when playing slots. I play when I need to escape and having fun, not to prove how stupid or smart I am :)
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I too get a bit funny about knowing when to increase bet size or whether to just play minimum everytime. For instance, is it better to increase the coins per line, or coin value??
 
interesting thread.... indeed the mastery of willpower and money management is skills indeed.
On a serious note,.. if you did stumble upon a strategy that enabled you to beat the casinos odds... would you share it in a forum? :)
 
its complete luck on your end to 'walk away with winnings'. its skill on their end to make you 'walk away with nothing'. you can always walk away with something or nothing !!!

i have no idea what i'm saying ....... if you only played slot once in your life its pure luck but if you play somewhat regularly you develop habits (ones that give you the best chance of withdrawing hopefully) and you can use your experience slotting (i.e SKILL learnt) to use your judgement for what to do next (i.e cash out or smash your computer screen).
 
Skill in pressing a spin button - NO
But if someone said ok here's £100 now I want you to try and get that to £1000+ by the end of the day then I guess some people would be more likely to do that than others by choosing different betsizes/slots . It's not that they would win more on average it's just that they would choose betsizes/slots that give a higher % chance of reaching this specific goal.
So "skill" in slots depends on what your goals are imo . Theoretically we are all destined to lose at w/e the RTP is but along the way you can have more fun and give yourself a higher chance of getting the results you hope for by playing one way or another . Just don't expect to win overall because slots only exist to take your money and they are programmed to do this ofc . But as we know you can defy the odds and with potential wins of 1000x or more then it can be a long time before the mathematical probabilities inevitably catch up with you .
 
Since its a slot a choose Luck in winning. For me the only skill that I can use is when to give up when loosing or when to walk away after winning. But still only you can answer if winning has to be used by skill or you just got a lucky day.
 

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