Fake Slots (?)

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Hello,

i came across a new gambling Website with a Curacao License, where the games, it seems like, running over there own Website.
Maybe im completly wrong, thats why i want to ask the question here.

On the Playngo Slots, like Book of Dead, the reels are running way different then on the normal, known Versions.
The Playngo Games running under:
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.CASINONAME.com
The Big Time Gaming Games running under:
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.CASINONAME.com
 
I suppose it's "possible" but I don't believe PNG or BTG have ever been known to be victims of "fake slots". I have heard historically of some Novo's being cloned but not those providers. BTG loads from Relax Gaming's platform so that seems legit and the PNG address seems correct as well.

If you think the "reels are running different" perhaps you are playing a different RTP version of the PNG slots than what you are used to.
 
What i mean with, the Reels are running different is, that on the normal Playngo Version all the Reels are animated. On this Version, the reels are just flying in, have no animation, and are empty before the symbols land.
 
Hello,

i came across a new gambling Website with a Curacao License, where the games, it seems like, running over there own Website.
Maybe im completly wrong, thats why i want to ask the question here.

On the Playngo Slots, like Book of Dead, the reels are running way different then on the normal, known Versions.
The Playngo Games running under:
You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
.CASINONAME.com
The Big Time Gaming Games running under:
You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
.CASINONAME.com
The btg one is definitely not a fake. That example you mentioned, is just a btg slot running on Relax servers, and sometimes in certain casinos, slots open up in a window / tab of their own, which is why you see this weird url, as far as I understand.
 
I suppose it's "possible" but I don't believe PNG or BTG have ever been known to be victims of "fake slots". I have heard historically of some Novo's being cloned but not those providers. BTG loads from Relax Gaming's platform so that seems legit and the PNG address seems correct as well.

If you think the "reels are running different" perhaps you are playing a different RTP version of the PNG slots than what you are used to.
Nope - as well as Novomatic, Netent and IGT have been faked to name at least two.
 
Can anyone explain (at a high level) how dodgy casinos pirate slots? How do they get hold of the software and how do they fake the connection to the providers server that holds the RNG etc?

No, I’m not intending on starting a dodgy casino. Just interested on how they manage to do it 😊
 
They usually buy a ready built casino + hosting from certain vendors. So they don't have to fake anything, fakes already come with the platform. Sometimes there maybe a mix of fake and legitimate games as some game providers are happy to have presented their games/products anywhere.
 
They usually buy a ready built casino + hosting from certain vendors. So they don't have to fake anything, fakes already come with the platform. Sometimes there maybe a mix of fake and legitimate games as some game providers are happy to have presented their games/products anywhere.
But…there are still fake slots involved? If so then someone must be “faking” them. Are you suggesting that the providers themselves provide fake games? Doesn’t sound right.
 
But…there are still fake slots involved? If so then someone must be “faking” them. Are you suggesting that the providers themselves provide fake games? Doesn’t sound right.
In simple words, there are vendors out there who sell online casino platforms (websites) with fake games already installed. Who fakes the games? These vendors.
 
Hello,

i came across a new gambling Website with a Curacao License, where the games, it seems like, running over there own Website.
Maybe im completly wrong, thats why i want to ask the question here.

On the Playngo Slots, like Book of Dead, the reels are running way different then on the normal, known Versions.
The Playngo Games running under:
You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
.CASINONAME.com
The Big Time Gaming Games running under:
You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.
.CASINONAME.com
I'm not 100% sure, but i think that on real stuff playngonetwork. com always comes last to the right, not casinoname. com
 
In simple words, there are vendors out there who sell online casino platforms (websites) with fake games already installed. Who fakes the games? These vendors.
Ok but do you know at a high level how the games are faked? That was my original question. I was under the impression that the code all sits on the provider’s server?
 
Ok but do you know at a high level how the games are faked? That was my original question. I was under the impression that the code all sits on the provider’s server?
I've no idea about the faking process :D, but I think the code sits somewhere else, not on a genuine provider's server. They likely rebuild a game from scratch and serve it from their own places.

P.S actually i might be wrong about where they are loaded from; see the image.

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Ok thanks @Guntis. I’d be very surprised if they’d go to the expense of rebuilding a slot from scratch (I’m talking about from the likes of Novo or NetEnt, not an in-house game).
 
Ok thanks @Guntis. I’d be very surprised if they’d go to the expense of rebuilding a slot from scratch (I’m talking about from the likes of Novo or NetEnt, not an in-house game).
I just did a bit of research myself; here is some more info. It's translation, but you'll get the point.

"Usually, fakes are inferior in quality to the original, but you can find a pretty decent resemblance that you can’t really distinguish by eye. As a rule, fakers only redraw the slots' appearance and embed their own calculation algorithm. However, original slots can also be used to make fakes. They "take apart brick by brick", and then programmers leave all the contents of the slots and only write their own control files for them."
 
I just did a bit of research myself; here is some more info. It's translation, but you'll get the point.

"Usually, fakes are inferior in quality to the original, but you can find a pretty decent resemblance that you can’t really distinguish by eye. As a rule, fakers only redraw the slots' appearance and embed their own calculation algorithm. However, original slots can also be used to make fakes. They "take apart brick by brick", and then programmers leave all the contents of the slots and only write their own control files for them."
Wow that sounds like a lot of effort. But I guess they’d get enough suckers to play and make it worth their while. Cheers for the info mate.
 
Slots have been faked en masse not by casinos but by scammers in E. Europe like 2winpower (I am told they are one of the main ones) who subsequently supply the catalogue of fake games to scam casinos to earn money from them, or even open their own scam sites.

Fake NetEnt Southpark/Aliens slots at 21Bet - Page 2 - Casinomeister Forum

If you check the above link, you'll see an example of a casino offering real games to their UKGC .co.uk players and fake games under their MGA license. When they were called out about it they claimed ignorance effectively, that their games aggregator had 'stitched them up'..
 
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Can anyone explain (at a high level) how dodgy casinos pirate slots? How do they get hold of the software and how do they fake the connection to the providers server that holds the RNG etc?

I've no idea about the faking process :D, but I think the code sits somewhere else, not on a genuine provider's server. They likely rebuild a game from scratch and serve it from their own places.

They swap out the legitimate API server with the fake API server, and as long as the fake makes enough correct noises to satisfy the client (a copy of the html, javascript and graphic files copied from a legitimate server and hosted on an illegitimate website), it can reply with pretty much anything it wants as long as that conforms with the data structures of the API (the communication interface between the client and server).

For example, the screenshot below is part of an API response from a spin request made to a legitimate game server running in demo play (for brevity I haven't included prior API responses which will provide game definitions to the client, although again these could be faked out). Fairly quickly you'll understand what the server is telling the client to do:

* The central reelsBuffer is what you see on screen (symbols ranked from 1 low to 8 high - this provider doesn't store the reel bands on the client, so the fake API server is free to reinterpret that as it wishes)
* The winLines explicitly describes what you won
* There are sections to describe features, jackpots and other functionality - which not shown here but could be similarly manipulated.

As far as the client is concerned, this API response is gospel - so a fake API server can tell it anything it wants, and the client will - if it understands it - happily play that out... add or remove winlines, change the paytable, "just miss" for bonus every single spin etc. Heck, for silliness, it would be possible to make starburst look high variance, and the server return a near-identical response (apart from unique identifiers and timestamps) every single spin that pays 95% of your stake. The client wouldn't care, although the player might think it's a bit boring 🤣

Which is where the trust element of online gambling comes in, once that trust has been lost (e.g. a casino running pirate games, a game that doesn't conform to the game rules, or an incompetent test provider) then pretty much all bets are off... someone is about to lose their shirt, it's just a matter of who the "mistake" (whether accidental or malicious) favours...
 

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