Evolution Live Roulette - the most awesome thread of conspiracy theorists

[TheAddict]

Is it really worth the price?

I pay it gladly.

 

[goatwack]

Is it really worth the price?

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I pay it gladly.

I watched Equilibrium again the other day. Such a great film, and of course Bale is phenomenal

Some might say I love him

 

[TheAddict]

Its epic. As is his acting.

 

[kelapa]

I knew this all had to come round to Christian Bale eventually.

 

[Imnotmatthew]

It’s a.l rigged

 

[Borgie]

It’s a.l rigged

Video proof ?

 

[goatwack]

Video proof ?

 

[Borgie]

Lol are you in this clip? hah

 

[goatwack]

Lol are you in this clip? hah

I'm the one clinging on

 

[Imnotmatthew]

Like I said the prove is in front of anyone who plays it mathematically the thing that happen are impossible unless it was rigged (which it is)there’s several videos on YouTube showing proof

 

[cncas2123]

Like I said the prove is in front of anyone who plays it mathematically the thing that happen are impossible unless it was rigged (which it is)there’s several videos on YouTube showing proof

Then why keep on playing it?

 

[goatwack]

After 34 pages, you just know Kelapa's been building up to this moment to tell us

 

[Imnotmatthew]

I didn’t know it was rigged till I played it all I want is a fair game of roulette but there all rigged

 

[goatwack]

I didn’t know it was rigged till I played it all I want is a fair game of roulette but there all rigged

Go to actual land-based casinos, stay away from online Roulette & FOTBs. That's about as fair as you're gonna get

 

[Imnotmatthew]

The only casino I like is hippodrome as I live in Stratford some times it’s a hassle to go there espically when your losing and have to come back home I don’t like aspers

 

[SpinUk]

This threads like the twilight zone. Quick question though - is Evolution the only providers of Roullette available on the internet? I ask as you would have to be a complete f***ing idiot to carry playing there if you had genuine suspicion that cheating was going on.

 

[goatwack]

I believe all questions pertaining to this page have already been answered.

On page 11

 

[Imnotmatthew]

Went hippodrome now I know why I stopped going it’s rigged there to first covered 8 11 and it landed on 30 dine zero section landed on 2 and 19 typical looks for what you ain’t got going to stop playing roulette for good now as can’t get a fair game anywhere

 

[Borgie]

Went hippodrome now I know why I stopped going it’s rigged there to first covered 8 11 and it landed on 30 dine zero section landed on 2 and 19 typical looks for what you ain’t got going to stop playing roulette for good now as can’t get a fair game anywhere

Thank goodness for that. If its rigged dont play. Simples.

 

[Imnotmatthew]

Why cheat when your always gonna win in the long run

 

[Imnotmatthew]

Anyways gonna give the casino a dirty slam review cheating bastards

 

[kelapa]

After 34 pages, you just know Kelapa's been building up to this moment to tell us

Oh for christsakes, I was just about to drop it!!
Need a couple more now to rebuild that perfect tension.

 

[ed skull murphy]

The only casino I like is hippodrome as I live in Stratford some times it’s a hassle to go there espically when your losing and have to come back home I don’t like aspers

You are quite right not to like Asper's

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[Imnotmatthew]

Why do you like aspers?

 

[ed skull murphy]

Why do you like aspers?

I don't like Asper's, mate... follow the link and read the Telegraph article, he was a scam artist, and I don't see any evidence that his son is any different.

 

[neilw]

But this wheel never spins the other way, it only goes clockwise, driven by a motor. Surely that is enough to set off alarm bells.

I had a chat with the head of products and innovation at Evolution yesterday. I asked him about the wheel that's been featured so much in this thread.

It's not an auto wheel or driven by motors. He explained that a wheel with nice new bearings should spin/rotate for up to 5 minutes if it's initially spun at the optimal rpm range the dealers are taught to hit. which is why you see the dealer just helping it along after each spin to keep the rate up.

Half of the wheels in the studio are spun in alternate directions for each spin and the other half are spun in just one direction. They offer both acoss their range of tables to give players a choice.

 

[goatwack]

Never knew the one direction spinning was legal, I thought Croupiers had to alternate.

My career with this was rather brief, had a hard enough time controlling my balls.

Where's Jono when you need him

 

[ed skull murphy]

I had a chat with the head of products and innovation at Evolution yesterday. I asked him about the wheel that's been featured so much in this thread.

It's not an auto wheel or driven by motors. He explained that a wheel with nice new bearings should spin/rotate for up to 5 minutes if it's initially spun at the optimal rpm range the dealers are taught to hit. which is why you see the dealer just helping it along after each spin to keep the rate up.

Half of the wheels in the studio are spun in alternate directions for each spin and the other half are spun in just one direction. They offer both acoss their range of tables to give players a choice.

Thanks for clearing that up Neil, although I don't see the point of one direction wheels, unless it is to save time, to squeeze in more spins per hour.

The trends seem to suffer from it, in my opinion, it's not authentic enough for me to risk my money on.

 

[cant_moaning]

Hi everyone,

New on here for the sake

They scam peoples without regret

Played too much and finally saw the truth

That is so obvious

All gamblers should know about it

Don't mind to lose but i want fair games however it's not the case on evo

Cheers

 

[neilw]

Thanks for clearing that up Neil, although I don't see the point of one direction wheels, unless it is to save time, to squeeze in more spins per hour.

The trends seem to suffer from it, in my opinion, it's not authentic enough for me to risk my money on.

I agree.

 

[Reelsoffun]

I was told by someone who worked in the casinos for many years that one way spinning can reduce the effects of "dealer signature" but not enough of a reason to break from the traditional alternate method that players prefer. She said they did try it a few days in there BM casino but it didnt go down well and the big players stopped playing so they went back to the "normal" way, IMO quite rightly so, it just feels a more natural, more random way to generate random results to me.

 

[cant_moaning]

By the way, i made a topic on a different forum called

"Is Evolution gaming really fair ?"

Have a look for those who still play on their unfair games ...

Proofs are very clear

I might do a video about that

 

[kelapa]

I was told by someone who worked in the casinos for many years that one way spinning can reduce the effects of "dealer signature" but not enough of a reason to break from the traditional alternate method that players prefer. She said they did try it a few days in there BM casino but it didnt go down well and the big players stopped playing so they went back to the "normal" way, IMO quite rightly so, it just feels a more natural, more random way to generate random results to me.

"Dealer signature"... so it has a name.
I googled it and bumped into

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, which describes pretty much what I based many of my bets on.

Interesting.


Bearing the above knowledge in mind, take another look at TWO specific, very short moments in this video:


Go to 0:19 and watch the ball land on 1 (BIG win).
Then you'll see the ball lie there for about a second... and then jump out and instead go for 33 (bye bye, big win).

Go to 2:58 and watch the ball land around 9 (BIG wins all over that area).
Again, the ball waits for a second... and hops back until it finds the nearest losing number: 28.

In both cases, the ball shows the exact same unnatural behaviour:

1. Ball lands on winning number.
2. Ball clearly sits still. By all means, this round is settled.
3. Ball suddenly starts buzzing and is lifted out of the winning number.
4. Ball is moved - in a glaringly artificial manner - away from the jackpot area. (Never will it go from a losing number to a winning one.)

Take ten seconds of your life to look at these two moments and tell me this doesn't stink.


Conclusion:
Evolution don't ban users who play based on "dealer signature".
Instead, they exploit them by simply moving the ball away from the otherwise correctly predicted outcomes.
Much more profitable than simply kicking them out!

 

[kelapa]

I'm particularly interested in what Neil has to say to explain this phenomenon.

Please don't tell me this hopping behaviour doesn't look extremely odd.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

"Dealer signature"... so it has a name.
I googled it and bumped into

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, which describes pretty much what I based many of my bets on.

Interesting.


Bearing the above knowledge in mind, take another look at TWO specific, very short moments in this video:


Go to 0:19 and watch the ball land on 33 (BIG win).
Then you'll see the ball lie there for about a second... and then jump out and instead go for 1 (bye bye, big win).

OK I must really not understand roulette because I just watched at 19sec as you suggested and to me it looks like it lands on 33, stays there for like ten seconds, 33 is declared the winner. Not sure what the issue is.

Are you just doing this for YouTube views or something??

 

[kelapa]

OK I must really not understand roulette because I just watched at 19sec as you suggested and to me it looks like it lands on 33, stays there for like ten seconds, 33 is declared the winner. Not sure what the issue is.

Are you just doing this for YouTube views or something??

My bad. I meant it the other way around: it fell on 1, then crept into 33. (Taking care of a sick kitten cuts into the nightly hours, so I'm not as sharp as I could.)

So yes, watch that last jump that it does before it settles on the 33. Does that movement look like a logical extension of what happened in the seconds before?

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

My bad. I meant it the other way around: it fell on 1, then crept into 33. (Taking care of a sick kitten cuts into the nightly hours, so I'm not as sharp as I could.)

So yes, watch that last jump that it does before it settles on the 33. Does that movement look like a logical extension of what happened in the seconds before?

Again, I don't play roulette, but yeah it just looks like a bouncy ball bouncing around a spinning wheel to me. And doesn't the player have the same bet on 33 as they do on 1 anyway?

 

[cncas2123]

I can’t see what the problem is, 5 winning bets in a row then a loser , the way the table is staked that looks like a good return to me and it’s also the longest video we’ve seen.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

I spent 1.5 hours betting on the zero area non-stop without the ball dropping there a single time.
Then I suddenly had seven bets in a row rejected. Each of these spins landed in the zero area.
Then the "mysterious" network problem vanished again, and the next three bets were allowed again, all three landing outside the zero area.
Then another six successive bets were rejected, again each of them landing inside the zero area.

See you're saying one thing (see above quote and numerous other exceptionally impossible streaks you've reported) but all you're showing us is three or four spins at a time where you say the ball bounces unpredictably and maybe misses a few of your numbers, in other words: normal roulette.

I was on board with you originally here in good faith but lacking any evidence you just sound like a nutter.

 

[kelapa]

Again, I don't play roulette, but yeah it just looks like a bouncy ball bouncing around a spinning wheel to me. And doesn't the player have the same bet on 33 as they do on 1 anyway?

Pause the video right at the start and you can see how many chips are on each number.
Number 33 only has € 0.50 on it, whereas 1 has € 1.00.

And the abnormal moment happens at exactly 0:22.
The ball actually bounces off the 33, back into 1, where it settles, sits still and shouldn't really move anymore... but then it suddenly jumps out - as if somebody had poked their finger in from under it - and hops back into 33.

Maybe watch it in slow motion?

 

[kelapa]

I can’t see what the problem is, 5 winning bets in a row then a loser , the way the table is staked that looks like a good return to me and it’s also the longest video we’ve seen.

Read the notes in the video.
These five spins should have won me well over € 120. Instead, thanks to the ball getting pipped out of the jackpot numbers FIVE times in a row, I ended up € 1.50 down.

I'm not sure if you play roulette, but it's not about the pretty "YOU WON" sign at the end of a spin. That amount that they show there does NOT represent your actual winnings.

SPIN 1
Ball lands on big winner, gets moved to its crappy neighbour.
PROFIT: € 1 instead of € 19

SPIN 2
Same.
PROFIT: € 1 instead of € 19

SPIN 3
Same.
PROFIT: € 1 instead of € 37

SPIN 4
Ball again manages to land exactly so that it avoids a bigger payout. At least no jumping this time.
PROFIT: € 8 instead of € 26

SPIN 5
Bizarre double jump to wipe me out completely.
LOSS: € 12.50 instead of a € 23.50 profit

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

As an aside from the discussion of whether this is rigged or not, which I now believe is not the case given provided evidence versus your stated anecdotes - my God roulette looks boring!

 

[kelapa]

One more time, this is my BEST recorded example of weird ball behaviour (so far):


Go to 0:32 and watch what happens, knowing that I only have to fear 22 18 29 7 on the entire top half (the side with the green zero) of the wheel.

 

[kelapa]

As an aside from the discussion of whether this is rigged or not, which I now believe is not the case given provided evidence versus your stated anecdotes - my God roulette looks boring!

I think we can agree on that.
It does get a little more exciting when you've got money on it, but usually not the right kind of excitement.

 

[Mohammadpatel]

Stop playing roulette kelpa it’s rigged mate

 

[ed skull murphy]

This thread seems to have taken on a life of it's own, is this what is meant by 'artificial intelligence'?

 

[pinnit2014]

What’s going on? Who’s rigging what?

 

[goatwack]

What's being un-randomized now?

Baking powder?!?

 

[ed skull murphy]

Just when you think it has died a death, some fresh impetus shows up and off it goes again, around and around, chasing it's tail, a bit like the President Mister Trump thread.

 

[pinnit2014]

I’m using Ed as the benchmark - if he’s not overly concerned about there being a conspiracy, then that’s good enough for me