Gossip and Rumours Evolution Gaming Rigged ?

[Jono777]

Just to chime in here real quick, it's hard to fathom how a conspiracy theory works in this industry (hidden knobs, reels tweaked, fake RTPs etc.), when there are SO MANY disgruntled ex employees who could easily blow a whistle. When and if that happens it's pretty rare. And now we have the OP who seems to not be able to provide any real evidence.

Oh so albeit rare, it does happen, I knew it, I f'in KNEW IT

 

[The Reel Story]

I would expect that it depends how high up the food chain you are as to what intel you are fed, and obviously anything thats "suspect" is going to be for limited eyes and ears, But that said..... how does it put their business at risk when those that regulate it are morons.

The latest issue I have had with Jackpot Joy (Difeferent thread) who trade as being whiter than white and yet have blatently lied to me " without any doubt or Grey area just a bold lie " and yet despite trying and having all the chats and emails and the like, and refusing their "goodwill gesture" out of principle for the hundreds/ thousands of players involved in the issue.... Im now at Deadlock letter stage with them and cant get anywhere with GC or Ecogra that I can see it though to a conclusion because NO ONE CARES even though JPJ would have made thousands and thousands of pounds of extra money from a game that was on their site for 48 hours and was broken!! and despite telling them the previous day they kept it on for another 24 hours with everyone having the same issue....

and if you watched any of the links I posted with BLATENT ball irregularities.... no one does anything about them....

explain them??

Well i reported in to the group COO, who basically ran the company, so pretty high ?

But that logic isn't actually true. To rig games you would need a lot of people involved, many who are low level techies and testers who, frankly, are not paid enough to risk doing illegal shit at the behest of their faceless overlords.

And in todays market it wouldn't just be multiples levels of the are company, it would be multiple levels of multiple companies (Casino, platform, provider, regulator, test house etc). Some of whom work with multiple of the others who may be in competition.

Couple that with the sheer number of current, ex and disgruntled employees and there is simply no way a conspiracy like that wouldn't be kept quiet ?

 

[deleted20230517]

Its like a slot machine. Nothing like the real roulette. All designed to have you bet fast and thus make profit for both provider and casino. I stopped playing this shit (and many other variants) for years.

 

[Pokimane]

It is your personal decision to leave Evolution Gaming and it is important for individuals to make their own informed decisions about where they choose to work and engage in activities such as gaming. However, it is important to note that making accusations about a company or its practices without evidence is not advisable. It would be best to reach out to relevant authorities and provide any information you may have about illegal activities.

 

[deleted20230517]

I'm not saying it's illegal what they do. Ive seen nummerous gamblers who actually won big (Think of RocknRollah). Its just not my thing knowing there's a larger then normal edge for the house. Because its just a slot after all.

I've never seen any roulette wheel get the ball stuck on one of the exact middle points other then above video. And this is'nt the only video adressing that. The magnet jumps or "push" of the ball has bin covered in other video's as well.

Just look at when they power it down.

Its like your playing blackjack against the computer; you know it's rigged and yeah you can win (a bit) but the edge is more towards the house then you compared to a traditional blackjack game with a real dealer.

If anybody wants to explain whats going on i'm all ears. However due to the NDA's signed we can only guess.

 

[The Reel Story]

I'm not saying it's illegal what they do. Ive seen nummerous gamblers who actually won big (Think of RocknRollah). Its just not my thing knowing there's a larger then normal edge for the house. Because its just a slot after all.

I've never seen any roulette wheel get the ball stuck on one of the exact middle points other then above video. And this is'nt the only video adressing that. The magnet jumps or "push" of the ball has bin covered in other video's as well.

Just look at when they power it down.

Its like your playing blackjack against the computer; you know it's rigged and yeah you can win (a bit) but the edge is more towards the house then you compared to a traditional blackjack game with a real dealer.

If anybody wants to explain whats going on i'm all ears. However due to the NDA's signed we can only guess.

Lightning roulette would almost certainly have to be a controlled wheel somehow. Standard, single 0 roulette already has an RTP of 98.65% (I think). If you then just start sticking 100x multipliers on some of the numbers, and still allow those numbers to land 1 in 36, the RTP would be WAAAAY over 100.

So yes, your assessment is probably very accurate. It's more like a slot machine represented by a roulette wheel. It won't be rigged (I.E, it's not actively avoiding areas of high betting, or avoiding areas you've bet on), but it does have its own maths model (different from Roulette) which is being adhered to.

For games like Crazy Time and Monopoly etc, I believe those will just be standard mechanical wheels. They're completely bespoke games, so there is no reason they couldn't design the wheel to fit the maths model (and thus, the RTP). Even if they were controlled wheels, again, it would be to fit a maths model and not 'rigged'.

And this is where the confusion comes. People think just because something is controlled that it is 'Rigged'. 'Rigged' means it is actively working against you. Watching you and making decisions to counter you. Controlled means it is maintaining its designed statistical and mathematical model (which is fair, random and produces the Theoretical RTP).

 

[Mark_Lottomart]

Lightning roulette would almost certainly have to be a controlled wheel somehow. Standard, single 0 roulette already has an RTP of 98.65% (I think). If you then just start sticking 100x multipliers on some of the numbers, and still allow those numbers to land 1 in 36, the RTP would be WAAAAY over 100.

I'm pretty sure the multipliers are "paid for" by the straight up bets paying 29/1 instead of 36/1.

 

[The Reel Story]

I'm pretty sure the multipliers are "paid for" by the straight up bets paying 29/1 instead of 36/1.

Ahh, they've reduced the pays? Didn't know that. That makes sense then. (I don't and haven't played lightning roulette).

In that case, yes, no reason for the wheel to be controlled in that case (and far less complexity for the game provider). So don't see any reason it would be controlled.

 

[Sasukdcf]

Ahh, they've reduced the pays? Didn't know that. That makes sense then. (I don't and haven't played lightning roulette).

In that case, yes, no reason for the wheel to be controlled in that case (and far less complexity for the game provider). So don't see any reason it would be controlled.

But again.... No reason for the wheels to be controlled... greed,

So assuming they are allowed to control the wheel as long as certain rules are met, WHY... there is no need....the maths would work on the roulette and the wheel games, so the only answer is greed......


the adverntures of wonderland wheel is the worst I have seen, and although I think they have added an extra feature on it now.... (no clue what) but the fact its their must be cos it was so poor before and not getting near RTP i would think as it was utter gash...

The dice on that seem to be controlled as well as the wheel...

whats so wrong tho is that we are experienced players and dont know the rules, laws or answers to all these questions and they should be available.

The fact they are not is in itself rather suspicious, why are the GC so cloak and dagger or is it that tey dont actually know themselves....

in fact..... mission for today. Im going to contact them and see if I can find out!!

 

[The Reel Story]

But again.... No reason for the wheels to be controlled... greed,

So assuming they are allowed to control the wheel as long as certain rules are met, WHY... there is no need....the maths would work on the roulette and the wheel games, so the only answer is greed......


the adverntures of wonderland wheel is the worst I have seen, and although I think they have added an extra feature on it now.... (no clue what) but the fact its their must be cos it was so poor before and not getting near RTP i would think as it was utter gash...

The dice on that seem to be controlled as well as the wheel...

whats so wrong tho is that we are experienced players and dont know the rules, laws or answers to all these questions and they should be available.

The fact they are not is in itself rather suspicious, why are the GC so cloak and dagger or is it that tey dont actually know themselves....

in fact..... mission for today. Im going to contact them and see if I can find out!!

When I say no reason for it to be controlled, I mean that I do not believe it is controlled in that case.

We've already addressed previously that 'greed' isn't enough of a reason, especially when that 'greed' comes with significant risks and technical difficulties.

There are far easier ways for businesses to be greedy that are legal (or legally grey), or are illegal but come with much lower risk. The 'Rigged' conspiracy just isn't practical on any level. It's simply not worth the business's time to achieve. You then couple that with the fact that many of these companies are public. Shareholders HATE risk. They want low risk, high return. There is just so little incentive do to it.

 

[Sasukdcf]

When I say no reason for it to be controlled, I mean that I do not believe it is controlled in that case.

We've already addressed previously that 'greed' isn't enough of a reason, especially when that 'greed' comes with significant risks and technical difficulties.

There are far easier ways for businesses to be greedy that are legal (or legally grey), or are illegal but come with much lower risk. The 'Rigged' conspiracy just isn't practical on any level. It's simply not worth the business's time to achieve. You then couple that with the fact that many of these companies are public. Shareholders HATE risk. They want low risk, high return. There is just so little incentive do to it.

to be fair you have said greed isn't enough incentive, however at no point has anyone given any explanation to the numerous videos i posted showing less than realistic looking events....

if control is allowed though then there is no risk... and no one seems to be to confirm or deny this.

 

[The Reel Story]

to be fair you have said greed isn't enough incentive, however at no point has anyone given any explanation to the numerous videos i posted showing less than realistic looking events....

if control is allowed though then there is no risk... and no one seems to be to confirm or deny this.

I don't know for sure, but I believe control would be allowed as long as the underlying 'randomness' of whatever generated the result was audited and verified. So for instance, if there was an RNG that generated the result and then the wheel was controlled to show that result, I believe that would be acceptable.

As I said above, the risk is not with control. The risk is with rigging. Artificially controlling results to the detriment of players and benefit of the house. That is illegal, would result in heavy fines, loss of licenses, huge brand and reputational damage, haemorrhaging of shareholders and thus a dumping of the stock price, likewise on any other companies that may be seen to be affiliated or involved (whether they were or not). The ramifications are just massive and span multiple companies. It's just not worth it.

Companies will just go set themselves up in the Isle of Man and do some tax avoidance instead. Nets you far more money and is totally legal :-/ Spend ur time and effort on things that are worth doing, not things that aren't. Rigging? Not worth doing.

Life is full of videos of things doing less than realistic-looking events. If you spin millions of spins on a roulette wheel, you will see some crazy stuff.

Go to youtube and search for crazy videos. You'll see thousands of videos of people getting near missed by cars or falling trees or lightning or whatever else. All of these are incredibly rare occurrences (let alone occurrences that ALSO get caught on camera, making them rarer), but somehow they do. In that context, it's actually relatively likely some crazy shite will happen on a roulette wheel that's on video 24/7

 

[Jono777]

Those dismissing greed, think again, the whole world is based on greed (among a few other things I won't get into)

 

[aceking123]

Game show wheels 100% not random, I firmly believe that it's under a controlled mech. Which shall deliver the correct RTP% the dynamics have been shown on many many occasions not to be dismissed. We've only seen a few videos here there's loads more out online.

Lightening roulette defies natural gravity of ball dropping, again this has been shown loads of times. Again it could be a magnetic ball inside, if you watch closely it never really pings anywhere, but if its going to hit the lightening number it tends to come with a abrupt landing in pocket, almost like something is pulling it in.

Again this isn't to say it rigged, but they should at least tell the player its a controlled game set within the RTP%

 

[The Reel Story]

Those dismissing greed, think again, the whole world is based on greed (among a few other things I won't get into)

Noone is dismissing greed. Merely saying that greed isn't enough of a reason for the level of effort and risk involved. Businesses are greedy in plenty of other ways (normally involving screwing over their own employees), which ironically is one of the reasons they would never get away with rigging

Game show wheels 100% not random, I firmly believe that it's under a controlled mech. Which shall deliver the correct RTP% the dynamics have been shown on many many occasions not to be dismissed. We've only seen a few videos here there's loads more out online.

Lightening roulette defies natural gravity of ball dropping, again this has been shown loads of times. Again it could be a magnetic ball inside, if you watch closely it never really pings anywhere, but if its going to hit the lightening number it tends to come with a abrupt landing in pocket, almost like something is pulling it in.

Again this isn't to say it rigged, but they should at least tell the player its a controlled game set within the RTP%

The fact that they list an RTP tells you it is controlled within the RTP. But it is controlled by a mathematical and statistical model of the game, fed by random results, not by 'choosing wins or losses to meet the RTP'. All games will meet their TRTP, and all will do it via maths and statistics. Mechanical control isn't required.

Whether the devices are mechanically controlled or not, the ultimate feed of the results will be an audited RNG. In this instance, I expect the wheels themselves are audited and approved.

 

[aceking123]

Well no not really, no different from cards being the best edge for rtp% for players, the problem is the casino are indeed pushing a live game, which is controlled in some matter, you don't see this on a roulette game within a bricks & mortar casino or I've never seen it yet in over 30 years.

I can say I've seen it way more online & I've pretty much now at maybe more or less amount of spins over these years.

I've never stated its rigged & have always had my opinion that it us controlled in some matter, that's not say any provider does not do it for greed. You cannot rule that out when money is involved.

If they was truthful in the fact of a control many live players wouldn't bother & hence the money would take a land slide including share holders.

 

[trees]

i play this game becos i thought it was random, only my advantage would be the dealer signature,.
but somehow it allways bounce to the empty part or the weakest part i bet , and sometimes u hit once or win small but it will take quickly back if u play further.
on landbase dealer signature i hit much often then online!! and i play long long this game ..

i said before i say it again.
they controlle this. let the suckers like me lose big time.
and they have ppl who have accounts on all the casinos and they know where to bet for them selves.
and take the money out from the casino.
and the RTP looks all fine for the casino!
GREED..
what i have experience over the years on evolution network is unthinkfull.
and everytime i still go back.
it needs to be stopped all this rigging games.

long time back casinos are afraid u playing with bonus bonus on roulette or any table games.
now they let u??
ever wonder why?
becos they are not afraid and they even promoting it!!

 

[deleted20230517]

Another prime example of how "legit" that whole crazything wheel is. In a normal game it would do a few full rotations and come to a stop. This however seems to never come to an end and seems the controlling mechanism is no longer functioning.

So yeah, great idea of a game, but those 5000x multipliers come from somewhere. Again, a obvious house advantage. These games are purely setup to spin as much as possible within minutes of time compared to a normal roulette based wheel in a landbased casino for that matter. With the controlling mechanism they could simply take data from all bets placed, pick a random number and spin the wheel. The computer does the rest. Its nothing different to a landbased machine type of roulette where the thing just buzzes when people place quite alot of bets on a certain number. Legit? Maybe, there's an RTP. Morally right? Hell no.

I'm not playing those games. I know whats going on and i really dont have to adress it to know the advantage for us as a player is "less". I'd almost say your better off playing slots.

 

[deleted20230517]

Ive seen quite some video's of Rocknrollah and some outcomes really could be questioned. Like no frigging doubt the ball was supposed to land in a certain number but instantly got pushed out of it. Things you wont see in a normal roulette.

I had it myself too sometimes, winning 3x in a row lightning roulette. It just landed repeatedly on my own numbers. After that flatout. I knew that was'nt supposed to happen in the way it did. But i'm sure it could be certain luck or enticement to get you hooked easily.

Because thats what these games are all about afterall. Their benefit is as much as people betting at the same time and thus providing both provider and casino profit on the long term. With a slight change in house advantage the profit can rake in up to millions and nobody would even notice.

They would disguise it as raising costs and thus procentual lower RTP. So your avg session gets shorter unless you deposit, more.

I'm no expert in this, but if you look at the existing video evidence gathered by several people over the years, i know it's not right. I'd like to have a fair chance at a game and not have the feeling after a few spins and watching toxic chat about "COLLECT mode ON" being screwed.

Above given example, crazy time is obvious. 20 spins in a row on avg before something happens, then a feature, and usually for some moments low outcomes as if it was natural. Nah.

And ive seen casino's hit the "bet limit" switch on slots too, after a big win. Suddenly capped and as a excuse saying it's the provider. Or casino's that limit the max bet spend on buying a bonus, like you can buy the 3 scatter feature, but not the 4th of 5th. Or remove complete set of (good) games because they well not really exploited but costed the casino simply too much.

Think twice to which casino your loyal to.

 

[Sasukdcf]

Ive seen quite some video's of Rocknrollah and some outcomes really could be questioned. Like no frigging doubt the ball was supposed to land in a certain number but instantly got pushed out of it. Things you wont see in a normal roulette.

I had it myself too sometimes, winning 3x in a row lightning roulette. It just landed repeatedly on my own numbers. After that flatout. I knew that was'nt supposed to happen in the way it did. But i'm sure it could be certain luck or enticement to get you hooked easily.

Because thats what these games are all about afterall. Their benefit is as much as people betting at the same time and thus providing both provider and casino profit on the long term. With a slight change in house advantage the profit can rake in up to millions and nobody would even notice.

They would disguise it as raising costs and thus procentual lower RTP. So your avg session gets shorter unless you deposit, more.

I'm no expert in this, but if you look at the existing video evidence gathered by several people over the years, i know it's not right. I'd like to have a fair chance at a game and not have the feeling after a few spins and watching toxic chat about "COLLECT mode ON" being screwed.

Above given example, crazy time is obvious. 20 spins in a row on avg before something happens, then a feature, and usually for some moments low outcomes as if it was natural. Nah.

And ive seen casino's hit the "bet limit" switch on slots too, after a big win. Suddenly capped and as a excuse saying it's the provider. Or casino's that limit the max bet spend on buying a bonus, like you can buy the 3 scatter feature, but not the 4th of 5th. Or remove complete set of (good) games because they well not really exploited but costed the casino simply too much.

Think twice to which casino your loyal to.

Hi….

So I have to disagree with the video you posted…

Although agree with a lot of other things you said… but those wheels are heavy and without the resistance of the flapper they have nothing to stop them… and if it is controlled by an outside force it would be way to obvious to use that while flapper was broken…

I have been playing a couple of times when it’s broken and I have to say the outcomes seem much fairer actually !!

 

[deleted20230517]

Well the flapper is actually flapping it. And it does quite some full rounds before coming to a full stop. Now remember in a actual live game how many rotations the wheel does before coming to an actual stop. It's far less obvious then above given video.

So, yeah. They do have a way to control the outcome. Above is the perfect evidence to it. No wheel spins freely in any game.

Unless you can convince me otherwise i just stick with above theory. Edit; you said it yourself. The outcome being more fair when it was broken, lol.

 

[Sasukdcf]

personally I dont think if its controlled its a motor... i would think magnets would be easier and less obvious... and if electromagnets were used you could use them to advance or slow down the wheel giving options either way...


one thing for sure on alice in wonderland spins shite game.... and crazy time.... the top slot and walter come out with multipliers that are normally as far away as possible from final stopping place, but they are both decided after the wheel has been released by the spinner and the finishing area has been calculated give or take a couple of positions

 

[hubbadubbadingdong]

This thread feels like it’s nothing more than an “I’ve got a secret but I’m not telling you” type thing.

It’s called a “Feldman” as in pulling a Cory, Guess at least this guy is not crowdfunding for bucks to present actual proof tho !

 

[Shafted]

Why would any online gambling be rigged, its only money , its not like they could get away with it lol

 

[Reelsoffun]

From next month I shall play immersive roulette again & record a month's worth of play & bets, from 3 casinos using same bets, clearly I'm not going to get anywhere near enough spins but should have some fair stats from it, if anyone feels they wanna add there game play as well, this would be helpful ?

Did you get round to this? Curious, as to how you did?