Enforced Euthanasia is fantastic states Health Minister.

[Seventh777]

It beggars belief, I really don't know how much more of this type of stuff is needed before people start to wake up and realise " I think those people who constantly expose these irregularities concerning mass deaths, may be onto something here "............

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If anyone can explain why young and old alike are basically sentenced to death i'm all ears, have I overlooked a simple and logical explanation for this?, there was a time when hospital staff done everything in their powers to sustain life.

Health Minister endorses it.

44% of the patients were not even informed about it.

A third of families kept in the dark about it.

Death Pathway accountable for 130,000 deaths per year.

When did any form of Euthanasia become decriminalized?.

It's fcking murder, plain and simple.

 

[chuchu59]

I know we shouldnt judge a person by his looks but see them eyes. Reminds me of ET. A person or patient must be given a choice to continue living or not. I have seen cases where a patient wanted to end his life but was forbidden to do so. He was in his 30s and died a couple of weeks ago. But forced enthanasia. Yeah its fricking murder and it does seem that Health Minister is rubbing his hands with glee.

 

[Seventh777]

I know we shouldnt judge a person by his looks but see them eyes. Reminds me of ET. A person or patient must be given a choice to continue living or not. I have seen cases where a patient wanted to end his life but was forbidden to do so. He was in his 30s and died a couple of weeks ago. But forced enthanasia. Yeah its fricking murder and it does seem that Health Minister is rubbing his hands with glee.

My sentiments entirely. The more I observe / research / learn about politicians the more it hits me just how much democracy fails. Here we have overpaid / unscrupulous / greedy / warmongering fucktards, who don't give a toss about their respective country's people, spending over half the national budget on the military whilst starving needy services in the process, and dreaming up new taxes to try and drain us of what little cash we have left, then burning most of this on fighting illegal wars and while doing so getting us more into debt with their incessant borrowing from the highly illegal central banking systems. I for one resent working all hours God sends just to line the pockets of the Rothschild's etc.

No matter what way we look at it that tax money is ours, and we should have more of a say in what it should be spent on, rather than let a bunch of gravy train freeloaders get us more heavily in debt wasting it on so called terrorists .

Just look at the way those whom once paid taxes are treated once they stop contributing, it's beyond criminal.

Fact:- Americans / Brits have more chance of being struck by lightening than being killed by a terrorist, what next?, declare war on nature, or heaven forbid, if there was money in it, declare war on peace.

Let's take a look at Obama's science Czar.....

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Forced abortions. Mass sterilization. A "Planetary Regime" with the power of life and death over American citizens.

The tyrannical fantasies of a madman? Or merely the opinions of the person now in control of science policy in the United States? Or both?

These ideas (among many other equally horrifying recommendations) were put forth by John Holdren, whom Barack Obama has recently appointed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology -- informally known as the United States' Science Czar. In a book Holdren co-authored in 1977, the man now firmly in control of science policy in this country wrote that:

Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food;
Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.

Impossible, you say? That must be an exaggeration or a hoax. No one in their right mind would say such things.

Well, I hate to break the news to you, but it is no hoax, no exaggeration. John Holdren really did say those things, and this report contains the proof. Below you will find photographs, scans, and transcriptions of pages in the book Ecoscience, co-authored in 1977 by John Holdren and his close colleagues Paul Ehrlich and Anne Ehrlich. The scans and photos are provided to supply conclusive evidence that the words attributed to Holdren are unaltered and accurately transcribed.

Google John Holdren, Jesus F Christ.

 

[Nifty29]

My sentiments entirely. The more I observe / research / learn about politicians the more it hits me just how much democracy fails. Here we have overpaid / unscrupulous / greedy / warmongering fucktards, who don't give a toss about their respective country's people, spending over half the national budget on the military whilst starving needy services in the process, and dreaming up new taxes to try and drain us of what little cash we have left, then burning most of this on fighting illegal wars and while doing so getting us more into debt with their incessant borrowing from the highly illegal central banking systems. I for one resent working all hours God sends just to line the pockets of the Rothschild's etc.

No matter what way we look at it that tax money is ours, and we should have more of a say in what it should be spent on, rather than let a bunch of gravy train freeloaders get us more heavily in debt wasting it on so called terrorists .

Just look at the way those whom once paid taxes are treated once they stop contributing, it's beyond criminal.

Fact:- Americans / Brits have more chance of being struck by lightening than being killed by a terrorist, what next?, declare war on nature, or heaven forbid, if there was money in it, declare war on peace.

Let's take a look at Obama's science Czar.....

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Google John Holdren, Jesus F Christ.

So....what's the alternative? Communism? Dictatorship? Feudal system?

All systems of government have pros and cons, because they all have one common denominator.....PEOPLE.....who are prone to corruption and self-interest. Unless you're a lawyer or CEO or other highly educated professional, you have pretty much no chance to rise through the ranks of politics and become highly placed enough to make a difference.....and many of those have no grasp of the issues that face the average person.

Yes, there are many problems with the form of democracy in the Western world, but I'll take it over African and Asian dictatorships any day, and certainly over Russia's quasi-dictatorship.

The problem with these conspiracy theories etc is that a lot of them are based on so-called facts, that are not facts at all....they just get duplicated so much via the web that everyone thinks they must be facts, because there are dozens of websites reporting them as such. An example is 9/11, where one engineer tells us the buildings collapsed due to the planes, and one telling us they didn't, and another saying the planes must have been armed, and another says they didn't need to be etc etc ad nauseum. The problem is that CT's always totally ignore any assessment or opinion that doesn't fit their theory, and this is why the gen pop fob them off.....they accuse "TPTB" of paying experts to lie, but automatically believe any backyard engineer who is happy to go on record to say what they want...and no doubt pay them also.

If CT proponents want us to "see reality", then they need to start considering ALL facts and opinions, and seperating the two in an independent fashion. As it stands, they are no better than the governments and entities they accuse of only showing one version of events, because it is exactly what they do themselves.

 

[Mouche12]

So....what's the alternative? Communism? Dictatorship? Feudal system?

All systems of government have pros and cons, because they all have one common denominator.....PEOPLE.....who are prone to corruption and self-interest. Unless you're a lawyer or CEO or other highly educated professional, you have pretty much no chance to rise through the ranks of politics and become highly placed enough to make a difference.....and many of those have no grasp of the issues that face the average person.

Yes, there are many problems with the form of democracy in the Western world, but I'll take it over African and Asian dictatorships any day, and certainly over Russia's quasi-dictatorship.

The problem with these conspiracy theories etc is that a lot of them are based on so-called facts, that are not facts at all....they just get duplicated so much via the web that everyone thinks they must be facts, because there are dozens of websites reporting them as such. An example is 9/11, where one engineer tells us the buildings collapsed due to the planes, and one telling us they didn't, and another saying the planes must have been armed, and another says they didn't need to be etc etc ad nauseum. The problem is that CT's always totally ignore any assessment or opinion that doesn't fit their theory, and this is why the gen pop fob them off.....they accuse "TPTB" of paying experts to lie, but automatically believe any backyard engineer who is happy to go on record to say what they want...and no doubt pay them also.

If CT proponents want us to "see reality", then they need to start considering ALL facts and opinions, and seperating the two in an independent fashion. As it stands, they are no better than the governments and entities they accuse of only showing one version of events, because it is exactly what they do themselves.

Very well put Nifty - I concur with everthing you say. I think it's about individual awareness really, regardless of any social/governmental structure - IMO each and everyone needs to battle his/her own dark(er) side - We all have it and it's up to us to nourish it or fight it with all the strength we can call forth.

 

[TitanicThompson]

When I read articles like this it always reminds me of the old joke.

How do you know when a politician is lying?

His lips are moving.

 

[Seventh777]

So....what's the alternative? Communism? Dictatorship? Feudal system?

All systems of government have pros and cons, because they all have one common denominator.....PEOPLE.....who are prone to corruption and self-interest. Unless you're a lawyer or CEO or other highly educated professional, you have pretty much no chance to rise through the ranks of politics and become highly placed enough to make a difference.....and many of those have no grasp of the issues that face the average person.

Yes, there are many problems with the form of democracy in the Western world, but I'll take it over African and Asian dictatorships any day, and certainly over Russia's quasi-dictatorship.

The problem with these conspiracy theories etc is that a lot of them are based on so-called facts, that are not facts at all....they just get duplicated so much via the web that everyone thinks they must be facts, because there are dozens of websites reporting them as such. An example is 9/11, where one engineer tells us the buildings collapsed due to the planes, and one telling us they didn't, and another saying the planes must have been armed, and another says they didn't need to be etc etc ad nauseum. The problem is that CT's always totally ignore any assessment or opinion that doesn't fit their theory, and this is why the gen pop fob them off.....they accuse "TPTB" of paying experts to lie, but automatically believe any backyard engineer who is happy to go on record to say what they want...and no doubt pay them also.

If CT proponents want us to "see reality", then they need to start considering ALL facts and opinions, and seperating the two in an independent fashion. As it stands, they are no better than the governments and entities they accuse of only showing one version of events, because it is exactly what they do themselves.

As far as any political system goes the answer is easy - one that put's the people 1st. CT's in general counter argue the evidence put forward by those that have discrepancies, the only engineers that have stated the collapses were down to planes are NIST's (the agency employed by the government for the sole purpose of the 9/11 commission), let's do a quick test on their integrity........





You talk of one sided analysis of events, what is your stand on John Gross's claims of no one reporting melted steel?, his side of events will of course be documented and believed by those who cannot be bothered to research it deeper, like every single aspect of 9/11, and remember - up to this day there is still no official story regarding 9/11 bar it was the Muslims and Bin Laden, whom wasn't even indicted for 9/11, and I quote straight from the FBI's most wanted site - "Bin Laden was not indicted for 9/11 because there is no direct evidence whatsoever linking him to it".


There are several 9/11 for truth movements including ex pats, engineers / architects, pilots, basically every aspect of 9/11 is covered, as time goes by more and more evidence is uncovered courtesy of Freedom Of Information Act documents. This aspect can be authenticated by checking the US department of Transportation and Flight Statistics, 3 out of 4 planes that day had been out of service for at least nine months..........

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And how many CT's have turned out to be true, i'll start with the world actually being round and not a cube .


Also, and this can easily be researched by anyone reading this if it grabs their attention, all wars on record have been started by a false flag event - endorsed by more factual evidence than is needed, a perfect example of why present day democracy fails, don't even get me started on the war crimes committed during WWII that went unpunished and brushed under the carpet, are these the actions of what we expect from our respective country's leaders?.

 

[skiny]

The problem is, not everything is a conspiracy. I can probably pick every second news event reported and find some discrepancies in it. I could then turn it around and say it was intentional. There might even be the rare occasion that I was right but if I did it every time something happened it would start to wear a little thin. That's why most people don't buy into these theories. When you hear them every day it just gets old.

The moon landing was a hoax, the JFK, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X and many other assassinations, extraterrestrial visitations, ancient alien technology, 911, pretty much every war ever, new world order, area 51, drug companies making us sick, reptile people are everywhere, Princess Diana was murdered, Pearl Harbor, global warming, fluoridation of the water supply, AIDs and the swine flue being man made, Jesus had kids, the church runs everything, the Jews run everything, the Masons run everything, Obama has a fake birth certificate, Bin Laden is still alive, Elvis faked is death, Tupac faked his death, Michael Jackson faked his death, Jim Morrison faked his death, Paul McCartney actually died but is faking he didn't, the internet is run by the devil, Bill Clinton is the assassination king, subliminal advertising is making us buy things, chemtrails are controlling our minds, milk is bad for you, free energy exists, this is endless.

Shakespeare wrote "All the world's a stage" but that doesn't mean everything in it is staged.

 

[GOCC]

From a personal point of view, my mum went into care in March 2010 with Alzheimers Diesease. She had gone form a bonny lady of 150lbs to weighing just 92lbs on admission. My mum couldnt remember peoples names (Her children and grand children), she would forget people had visited her (I once saw my sister in the car park, had a chat then went to see mum. She didnt remember she had been), she had forgotten how to eat (This is something that happens with dementia) and in her last 2-3 weeks of life, she had to wear an adult nappy and be fed by nurses.

Her condition deteriorated rapidly over a 2 week period, so much so I cancelled a 3 week holiday for my family to the states. By this point she was bed ridden, incontinent, none responsive to anyone and this wasnt our mother.

It wasnt an easy way out either. For the time my mum was in the home, my sister and I who lived local visited every day with visits from her grandchildren as well. At the weekend, my elder brother would visit with his family and I would go Saturday and my Sister, Sunday.

The care home staff were fantastic and we couldn't have asked for better treatment for her but the time had come where my mum was in pain, no quality of life and at her death, she weighed just 71Lb. This was July 2010

Now the staff did discuss the end of life plan with us. It did not involve removing nutrients or water. My mum was dieing and it would be either 3 weeks in pain or shortly without pain. We as a family agreed to the end of life plan and can honestly say I am so please we did. At her passing there was 19 of us at her bedside when she took her last breath. We cried together but I can definitely say I am glad we did what we did and If I, god forbid, ended up like my mum, I hope my kids are strong enough to do that for me.

 

[Seventh777]

And once again the John Gross video is completely ignored /sigh and skiny makes a belittling statement, that nifty thanks, what a surprise, instead of cookiecutter responses aimed at trying to make people like me look like fucking retards, explain why NIST completely ignored molten steel which was around for upto 6-8 weeks after 9/11, why WTC7 collapsing wasn't even mentioned at the 9/11 commission, and testimonies totaling 12,000 pages from 503 first responders all depicting explosions at various times of the day and archived at the NY Daily Times, i've read every one of them, but then again that's the difference between those who want to know the truth and those who don't, plain and simple.

 

[Seventh777]

From a personal point of view, my mum went into care in March 2010 with Alzheimers Diesease. She had gone form a bonny lady of 150lbs to weighing just 92lbs on admission. My mum couldnt remember peoples names (Her children and grand children), she would forget people had visited her (I once saw my sister in the car park, had a chat then went to see mum. She didnt remember she had been), she had forgotten how to eat (This is something that happens with dementia) and in her last 2-3 weeks of life, she had to wear an adult nappy and be fed by nurses.

Her condition deteriorated rapidly over a 2 week period, so much so I cancelled a 3 week holiday for my family to the states. By this point she was bed ridden, incontinent, none responsive to anyone and this wasnt our mother.

It wasnt an easy way out either. For the time my mum was in the home, my sister and I who lived local visited every day with visits from her grandchildren as well. At the weekend, my elder brother would visit with his family and I would go Saturday and my Sister, Sunday.

The care home staff were fantastic and we couldn't have asked for better treatment for her but the time had come where my mum was in pain, no quality of life and at her death, she weighed just 71Lb. This was July 2010

Now the staff did discuss the end of life plan with us. It did not involve removing nutrients or water. My mum was dieing and it would be either 3 weeks in pain or shortly without pain. We as a family agreed to the end of life plan and can honestly say I am so please we did. At her passing there was 19 of us at her bedside when she took her last breath. We cried together but I can definitely say I am glad we did what we did and If I, god forbid, ended up like my mum, I hope my kids are strong enough to do that for me.

My father who died recently 7/11/2012 was subjected to two stays in hospital, the 1st time it didn't look good (advanced emphysema) it looked like you could pick him up with one hand, but, against all odds he managed to gain weight and start breathing without being connected to an oxygen mask, and lo and behold he was allowed home, things carried on getting better for him until a hospital visit uncovered that he had lung cancer, his brief remission however gave my sister and me time as to get in touch with all his remaining family including grandchildren scattered all around the UK so they could at least see him before he eventually died.

I'm not stating that we should keep people alive whom are suffering immensely from pain just so relatives can spend a last few minutes with them, far from it, I lost my mum also from lung cancer, brain tumors etc, she was riddled with cancer, in your case you and your family had a choice and I greatly respect the choice you made, I watched my mother die every day for the last 22 days of her life, each day we were contacted by the hospital stating she didn't have long left, a harrowing experience.

But, at the end of the day using death pathway without at least discussing it with the patient is tantamount to murder, whatever way you look at it.

 

[Nifty29]

And once again the John Gross video is completely ignored /sigh and skiny makes a belittling statement, that nifty thanks, what a surprise, instead of cookiecutter responses aimed at trying to make people like me look like fucking retards, explain why NIST completely ignored molten steel which was around for upto 6-8 weeks after 9/11, why WTC7 collapsing wasn't even mentioned at the 9/11 commission, and testimonies totaling 12,000 pages from 503 first responders all depicting explosions at various times of the day and archived at the NY Daily Times, i've read every one of them, but then again that's the difference between those who want to know the truth and those who don't, plain and simple.

Whoa....hold on a minute.

Nobody is saying, or has said, or even intimated, that you are a "f... R...".

I didn't find skiny's post belittling to anyone. It was a valid and logical opinion.

Just because someone doesn't share your views, it doesn't mean they have personal issues with you.

I respect your opinions, but I don't agree with most of the CT stuff. So what? Doesn't mean I don't find it interesting. The main problem I have with 9/11 is the sheer number of people who would have to have been involved, and would also have had to remain totally silent. IMO the odds of that are staggering, and even more so that at least one hasn't had an attack of conscience by now. You say most would have been involved unknowingly....well they know now....and nary a word has been spoken. Hence, if that is my POV, and I'm not alone, it is kinda a waste of time to watch every video and read every article isn't it?

You see, you insist that you're the only one here who knows, or wants to know, the truth. Is that not the very thing you claim skiny and myself do?. I find that attitude somewhat hypocritical.

The CT movement is actually an industry. The amount of money generated by websites and speaking circuits etc would probably stagger all of us. As an example, I've seen many CT websites over the years carrying advertising for large US conglomerates.....the very same people that most commonly have the finger pointed at them by these websites. I really thought all of these CT were tr

ue, I wouldn't take a cent from any of them.

Skiny is on point when he says that there is hardly an event anywhere that doesn't have a CT attached to it......and also that, like nostradamus (sp?), if you make enough predictions/create enough CTs, odds are one or two might come to fruition in some way.

I sometimes wonder just how far your CT beliefs go. I knew a guy who had similar views as yours years ago and he insisted in all seriousness that the holocaust was just propaganda and never really happened. I think once you get to that point, then you're really ignoring reality and documentary and personal evidence provided by not only the victims but the perpetrators. Another CT comes to mind.....one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind......and one galaxy-sized warp for CT's to claim it never happened. Geez.....even Tom Hanks went up for a look

Personally, I like ya 777. It's just impossible for me to accept that so many events in history were CTs.

 

[skiny]

And once again the John Gross video is completely ignored /sigh and skiny makes a belittling statement, that nifty thanks, what a surprise, instead of cookiecutter responses aimed at trying to make people like me look like fucking retards, explain why NIST completely ignored molten steel which was around for upto 6-8 weeks after 9/11, why WTC7 collapsing wasn't even mentioned at the 9/11 commission, and testimonies totaling 12,000 pages from 503 first responders all depicting explosions at various times of the day and archived at the NY Daily Times, i've read every one of them, but then again that's the difference between those who want to know the truth and those who don't, plain and simple.

If you think one little blurb about the sheer number of conspiracy theories come to mind right off the top of my head is an example of me belittling someone, you don't know me very well.

The point is, there are just too many of them. They're everywhere about everything. This actually does more harm than good because when a real conspiracy crops up nobody cares enough to pay attention. You can pick any conspiracy, it doesn't matter which one it is and if you're unbiased and would like to know the truth it takes a great deal of effort to sift through the garbage from both sides. If it's a political conspiracy then it's a pretty safe bet something is being covered up or lied about. That happens in politics every day of the week in pretty much any country on the planet. It's not a conspiracy, it's just the way politics works. The problem is just because someone lies about one thing doesn't make a different thing true. There could be a thousand discrepancies in the 911 investigations. People could be lying about some things, mistaken about other things or they might just not really know so they're making things up. I really have no way of knowing without doing one hell of a lot more research than I really have the ambition for. There is an equal chance that anyone doing their own research that contradicts the official 911 investigation is guilty of the same lies, misinterpretations or story telling. When you have two entirely different stories about the same event the reality is usually that parts of both stories are wrong and parts of both stories are right. I can't just cruise around the internet accepting any story that contradicts the government or claims people are up to something.

My only advice is that if researching conspiracy theories is some kind of hobby people should spend an equal amount of time trying to prove them wrong as they do trying to prove them right. At least then they can say they are objective viewers with unbiased opinions. Personally I don't care about most of these theories. If people want to believe Elvis is alive, be my guest. If they want to run in the house and hide every time a plane flies overhead leaving a trail of water vapor behind it, that's one less person on the sidewalk for me to bump into. There are some that I would prefer people left alone. The Apollo moon landing was a massive achievement in science and exploration. It's a stepping stone in the evolution of the human species. From crawling out of the water and then down from the trees, learning to walk upright and then learning to fly. Leaving the planet and stepping foot on the moon is not something we should be trying to convince ourselves never happened. We did it. Be proud of it and move forward.

Like I said, I don't really care if people want to believe in most of these conspiracies. But people who do shouldn't be offended when other people don't want to jump on the bandwagon. I probably spend more time watching lectures and documentaries and reading whatever I can find on physics and cosmology than you do researching conspiracies and there are some pretty popular beliefs in those fields that I'm a little skeptical about. I'm not offended if people don't agree with me. In fact we're probably better off if everyone doesn't agree. It's how we learn.

 

[Jasminebed]

We live in an age of miracles, and for countries with universal health, these miracles come at a cost.

Young or old, we never know what will happen to us, and death should not be so taboo as to not discuss with our families. If a patient is braindead, kept only on machines, if family will not "pull the plug" and the patient has left no instructions at some point I think medical professionals need to be able to. It should require an open hearing of some sort in these cases.

I know during my mother's days of dying, crying and saying the SPCA would have you up on charges if you let your dog suffer like this.

But a couple years back, lost a very dear friend. I don't think it waste to keep someone intubated that's in massive organ failure for another day to allow immediate family to fly home either.

We can leave written instructions on how we would like these end-of-life decisions for our own selves chosen while we are well, but make sure your family knows about them, and hopefully even if they don't agree, they will honour them.

And it wouldn't hurt if you let someone know to advise your online friends as well. We get to "know" each other in a different sort of way.

Did I mention we live in an age of marvels as well?

 

[dionysus]

We live in an age of miracles, and for countries with universal health, these miracles come at a cost.

Young or old, we never know what will happen to us, and death should not be so taboo as to not discuss with our families. If a patient is braindead, kept only on machines, if family will not "pull the plug" and the patient has left no instructions at some point I think medical professionals need to be able to. It should require an open hearing of some sort in these cases.

I know during my mother's days of dying, crying and saying the SPCA would have you up on charges if you let your dog suffer like this.

But a couple years back, lost a very dear friend. I don't think it waste to keep someone intubated that's in massive organ failure for another day to allow immediate family to fly home either.

We can leave written instructions on how we would like these end-of-life decisions for our own selves chosen while we are well, but make sure your family knows about them, and hopefully even if they don't agree, they will honour them.

And it wouldn't hurt if you let someone know to advise your online friends as well. We get to "know" each other in a different sort of way.

Did I mention we live in an age of marvels as well?

The bf and i hit the three year mark this year, meaning i now make those decisions, not his next of kin. And as responible adults we sat down and discussed our wishes in such scenarios as brain death, organ donation, method of burial etc. ive dome the same with my mother. It makes no sense not to.

 

[Seventh777]

Back to topic, my original post was intended to bring about people's attention to the fact that 60,000 people were murdered, these 60,000 were not informed and nor were their families, at this moment in time Euthanasia in the UK is against the law.

As far as conspiracy theories go i'm only interested in those that have sufficient evidence to back them up with, this thread did not start off as a CT thread, it's fact, and therefore not a theory of any sort.

I have never stated the moon landings were a hoax, I believe 100% that man landed on the moon, whether the video footage we all saw was real is another matter, maybe Armstrong's dying words could throw more light as to why the video footage could be faked.

Back to off topic - one of the 200+ patriots for 9/11 truth members......





And what he has to say.......

Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech). Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. 22-year Air Force career. Also taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University.

Member: Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth Association Statement:

"Scholars and professionals with various kinds of expertise---including architects, engineers, firefighters, intelligence officers, lawyers, medical professionals, military officers, philosophers, religious leaders, physical scientists, and pilots---have spoken out about radical discrepancies between the official account of the 9/11 attacks and what they, as independent researchers, have learned.

They have established beyond any reasonable doubt that the official account of 9/11 is false and that, therefore, the official “investigations” have really been cover-up operations.

Thus far, however, there has been no response from political leaders in Washington or, for that matter, in other capitals around the world. Our organization, Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth, has been formed to help bring about such a response.

We believe that the truth about 9/11 needs to be exposed now---not in 50 years as a footnote in the history books---so the policies that have been based on the Bush-Cheney administration’s interpretation of the 9/11 attacks can be changed.

We are, therefore, calling for a new, independent investigation of 9/11 that takes account of evidence that has been documented by independent researchers but thus far ignored by governments and the mainstream media."

Video 9/11/04: "A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It’s impossible. … There’s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up. … Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don’t want us to know what happened and who’s responsible.…

Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it’s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through Dick Cheney.

I think the very kindest thing that we can say about George W. Bush and all the people in the U.S. Government that have been involved in this massive cover-up, the very kindest thing we can say is that they were aware of impending attacks and let them happen. Now some people will say that’s much too kind, however even that is high treason and conspiracy to commit murder."

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The only CT I ever believed in prior to 9/11 was JFK, after all the research regarding 9/11 proves beyond any reasonable doubt it was an inside job, then, other such incidents grab your attention, there is more irrefutable evidence than is needed that 9/11 was just another false flag event, induced to declare war on completely innocent countries. Read what those veterans have to say from the above link, they have far more superior knowledge of how things work in the world of counter terrorism / espionage / military protocols than any of us, or are these highly ranked experts classed as even more of, those whom like to jump on the CT bandwagon?.

I'm not trying to make people accept my factual based opinions, just warning them what to expect after the huge economical collapse, and especially when FEMA takes control, if i'm wrong, sue me, bet the bottom dollar that when FEMA do eventually take control of the US, people's attention will grow immensely.

The collapse of the dollar is imminent, the clock is ticking.......

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Footnote:- If I were one of those people that make a conspiracy theory out of any respective news event, I would most definitely express my concerns over the Steubenville, Ohio Rape case, nothing to do with the prosecution lawyer being one of the accused mother, more over the leaked video of the rapists carrying the girl from party to party and raping her, nope, nothing untoward here. Oh wait............There's a reason people like me question the OS, research this case, it's plain to see why.

 

[Nifty29]

FEMA taking control of the USA? Citizens in internment camps? Suspension of the constitution?

Sorry, but I'm out. I'll come back into these debates when it returns to the realm of reality.

Euthanasia IMO is a personal choice. If someone wants to die they should be allowed to do so with dignity.

 

[Jasminebed]

Euthanasia IMO is a personal choice. If someone wants to die they should be allowed to do so with dignity.

I don't think by definition euthanasia is a personal choice. If it's a personal choice, then it's not euthanasia, it's either assisted suicide or failing or ceasing to use extradinory measures. Either of which, I'm all in favour of.

Euthanasia is either medical community or family making decisions without express wishes. But in the absence of direct wishes, only so many extraordinary measures should be used on a public dime. For countries that have private health care, I guess you can pay to prolong whatever agony or hope you feel there is.

And I do hope there are review boards in place to not hasten Aunt Jane to Happy Rewards because her care may cost the relatives their inheritance.

 

[vinylweatherman]

FEMA taking control of the USA? Citizens in internment camps? Suspension of the constitution?

Sorry, but I'm out. I'll come back into these debates when it returns to the realm of reality.

Euthanasia IMO is a personal choice. If someone wants to die they should be allowed to do so with dignity.

World War II

 

[vinylweatherman]

The real issue is that in the UK there is no legal "right to die". There are many people who come to the decision that they want to go on a "death pathway" in order to end their suffering, yet they find this is illegal in the UK. It is also illegal for anyone else to assist them. There is a clinic in Switzerland that caters for such persons, yet even buying a plane ticket for someone to go there will have you charged with "assisting a suicide", even where the "victim" has made a concious choice.

Yet, these doctors seem to work to a different law. They have NOT gotten the consent of the patient or relatives, and have effectively done what the clinic in Switzerland does. Worse, they are not allowed to end the life swiftly and painlessly, but have to offer a lingering death hoping that sedation is sufficient that the patient does not suffer. Since the patient cannot usually offer an opinion on the amount of suffering caused, it is largely guesswork.

There was an even more striking case, where the parents refused permission for the withdrawal of treatment from their sick child so that it could go on a "death pathway". The doctors simply went to the courts for permission, and won the right to have the patient "put down" against the wishes of the parents. The argument was all about "quality of life", yet someone who has no prospect of any meaningful quality of life is not allowed by law to choose to die unless they are still well enough to buy a plane ticket to Switzerland. Many do.

If the health minister feels that this is "fantastic", the law should be changed to cover it, rather than have people having to fly to Switzerland, save up their pills, or hope they get admitted to a hospital with a severe bed shortage.

 

[P.V.]

If someone wants to die they should be allowed to do so with dignity.

I totally agree!

 

[Nifty29]

World War II

Exactly. It happened in dozens of other countries too at the same time for the same reason.

The next world war will result in interment of millions of Americans.....not internment.

It's not going to happen because the value of the US dollar drops etc.

 

[skiny]

Back to topic, my original post was intended to bring about people's attention to the fact that 60,000 people were murdered....

....this thread did not start off as a CT thread, it's fact, and therefore not a theory of any sort.

Well, this was your original post.

It beggars belief, I really don't know how much more of this type of stuff is needed before people start to wake up and realise " I think those people who constantly expose these irregularities concerning mass deaths, may be onto something here "............

And when you say people need to wake up because of irregularities that are being exposed, that's a conspiracy. Even if you didn't intend it to be, that's how it comes across. There's nothing wrong with you posting about conspiracies. You're a respected member of the community and you're welcome to open any topic you like. The only problem you might find is that people have been exposed to so many different conspiracies over the decades ranging from the plausible to the silly that most people regard these theories now as nothing more than tabloid filler.

If this story was published for the sole purpose of alerting the public to a gross mismanagement of patient care by people who are either incompetent or simply have a distorted view of quality of life then it would probably be taken far more seriously than if it was designed to expose the cover up of some greater and devious plan. It's fine to start topics about either case but you'll probably find that the reception to them is entirely different.

 

[Seventh777]

Well, this was your original post.



And when you say people need to wake up because of irregularities that are being exposed, that's a conspiracy. Even if you didn't intend it to be, that's how it comes across. There's nothing wrong with you posting about conspiracies. You're a respected member of the community and you're welcome to open any topic you like. The only problem you might find is that people have been exposed to so many different conspiracies over the decades ranging from the plausible to the silly that most people regard these theories now as nothing more than tabloid filler.

If this story was published for the sole purpose of alerting the public to a gross mismanagement of patient care by people who are either incompetent or simply have a distorted view of quality of life then it would probably be taken far more seriously than if it was designed to expose the cover up of some greater and devious plan. It's fine to start topics about either case but you'll probably find that the reception to them is entirely different.

I can't but help take the stand I take regarding matters like this skiny, maybe I shouldn't try and associate this with other beliefs I have, but to be blatantly honest it's hard not to. I see this as mass murder, and any form of mass murder that is government endorsed I see as part of the bigger picture, in this case the bigger picture being depopulation, like WWII and the unpunished war crimes of genocide to the tune of around 50 million, now people will spout unbelievable excuses on behalf of the respective government leaders involved apart from the Jews, why were these so different to Russians, Yugoslavs, Greeks, Libyans, Ethiopians, Germans, British, that also faced inhumane treatment?.

WWII started with a false flag event - The Gleiwitz Incident

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and ended with a whole heap of unspoken for genocide, there was also another false flag event in the run up to war the setting fire of the Reichstag (for those that don't know about this the Reichstag is Germany's political home of the government, Houses of Parliament, the Pentagon etc), as was WWI, and every other war on record the proof is out there.

Why are false flags of importance?, well, if there was an unseen enemy out there the need of a false flag event would be none existent, the truth is hard to face and to take it all in a lot of research is needed, to find out you have been lied to is very hard for a majority of people to come to terms with and they would rather deny it or plead ignorance.

Countries like the UK and US spend over 50% of the annual budget on the military, fighting wars that they themselves instigated and triggered via false flag events, and whilst doing so starve other needy services of much needed cash, now tell me that modern day democracy is working as intended.

/cheers

Roy.

 

[Seventh777]

Euthanasia IMO is a personal choice. If someone wants to die they should be allowed to do so with dignity.

No one disagrees with this, 60,000 people were not informed, now we can try and gloss over this any which way we can, but, it is murder, that is what is in question here.

 

[Seventh777]

World War II

Oh come on Brian there were warnings in the run upto WWII, both Hitler and Stalin tightened gun control laws (so did Mao Tse-Tung, for what it's worth) .

Footnote:- FEMA has more power than the President and all the other alphabet agencies put together, if / when they gain power due to civil unrest, do some research on what some of these powers entail and have a long hard think as to why they have been granted them, whilst at the same time revoking many that were citizens orientated, it's all on record.

 

[Seventh777]

Exactly. It happened in dozens of other countries too at the same time for the same reason.

The next world war will result in interment of millions of Americans.....not internment.

It's not going to happen because the value of the US dollar drops etc.

We will have to wait and see on this one, homeland security recently bought 750 million hollow point .40 caliber rounds, TPTB have stated these rounds are for target practice, although they are tight lipped just as to what the targets actually are.

 

[skiny]

Countries like the UK and US spend over 50% of the annual budget on the military, fighting wars that they themselves instigated and triggered via false flag events, and whilst doing so starve other needy services of much needed cash, now tell me that modern day democracy is working as intended.

I think we both know it's not really as cut and dried as that. Global politics is a spider web of deception, protection, corruption, trade, theft, posturing, partnership, expansion, war, espionage, assassination, aid, control and so many other things that I could probably type all day but in the end nobody fully knows what the hell is going. With about 200 separate countries on this planet, each with their own agenda ranging from economic growth to ethnic or religious cleansing and every one of those countries stuck in the middle of that web we call global politics it's almost impossible to get a complete picture of what's really happening on any given day much less over the long haul.

It's far too complicated for guys like me to be sticking my nose in and pulling out bits and pieces that I think I might understand. I stick to simpler things like particle physics. That's not even a joke. I understand why things blow up naturally. I'll never understand why people blow each other up on purpose.

As for democracy, if it was actually working as it was intended only rich men with lots of land would even be allowed to vote. It took thousands of years for some weirdos to decide that everyone should have a say. You really have to have a cautious optimism about humanity. Our species has suffered greatly over the last 50 thousand years or so. We almost went extinct once. We've been though countless wars, natural catastrophes, committed genocide, been plagued with disease and starvation, faced tyranny and oppression and even though over 99% of every species that ever lived on this planet is gone, not only are we still here but in spite of everything we've mapped the human genome and the entire galaxy. We've cured many diseases and learned to fly. We've learned what's at the heart of every atom and every star and we've left the planet completely and then turned around and came home.

I guess I'm starting to ramble again but I think my point was that I try not to worry too much about 200 or more separate political agendas that I will never really understand anyway and try to concentrate a little more on what we're actually doing right.

And that very rarely ever has anything to do with politics.

 

[Seventh777]

I think we both know it's not really as cut and dried as that. Global politics is a spider web of deception, protection, corruption, trade, theft, posturing, partnership, expansion, war, espionage, assassination, aid, control and so many other things that I could probably type all day but in the end nobody fully knows what the hell is going. With about 200 separate countries on this planet, each with their own agenda ranging from economic growth to ethnic or religious cleansing and every one of those countries stuck in the middle of that web we call global politics it's almost impossible to get a complete picture of what's really happening on any given day much less over the long haul.

It's far too complicated for guys like me to be sticking my nose in and pulling out bits and pieces that I think I might understand. I stick to simpler things like particle physics. That's not even a joke. I understand why things blow up naturally. I'll never understand why people blow each other up on purpose.

As for democracy, if it was actually working as it was intended only rich men with lots of land would even be allowed to vote. It took thousands of years for some weirdos to decide that everyone should have a say. You really have to have a cautious optimism about humanity. Our species has suffered greatly over the last 50 thousand years or so. We almost went extinct once. We've been though countless wars, natural catastrophes, committed genocide, been plagued with disease and starvation, faced tyranny and oppression and even though over 99% of every species that ever lived on this planet is gone, not only are we still here but in spite of everything we've mapped the human genome and the entire galaxy. We've cured many diseases and learned to fly. We've learned what's at the heart of every atom and every star and we've left the planet completely and then turned around and came home.

I guess I'm starting to ramble again but I think my point was that I try not to worry too much about 200 or more separate political agendas that I will never really understand anyway and try to concentrate a little more on what we're actually doing right.

And that very rarely ever has anything to do with politics.

I hear what you are saying, a great analogy tbh. I guess we're all different and the topics we have a deep passion for are a reflection of that, i'm probably being selfish in admitting that if I did not have children my interest in politics and especially the future would drastically diminish. Does anyone think about a future they wont be part of unless they have children?. I'm not entirely doom and gloom there have been several events etc that have rekindled my hope in humanity. I do see stuff like this, amongst the atrocities.............





When man gets it right, amazing what we can achieve with the right investments .

/cheers

Roy.

 

[Nifty29]

I can see a bromance in the making here.....

 

[Seventh777]

I can see a bromance in the making here.....

Lol. Well i've finally thrown my cards on the table, i'll be the 1st to admit i'm a fucking retard if it all turns out to be wrong, and believe me nothing would make me happier if I am, but, what if i'm right?, and I said nothing at all, i'm sorry but I couldn't live with that, no matter how cringe-worthy this all is to me I feel it is my duty to forewarn others, at least they know what to look out for when the time arises and gtfo of there.

As I have stated to several of my relatives and close friends "I really wish I hadn't bothered researching what I have the last 10-11 years or so, I really do", as of yet, not many agree with that, my boy's mother being one that does, however, she just came to pick the boy up and we had a brief chat regarding a few links I gave on my facebook page recently (the Israeli scalp worm X-Ray atrocity), this has got her attention so I told her to watch the award winning documentary regarding this matter and avoid what Alex Jones states about it on his website, but instead look for already researched cases that are accompanied by FOIA documentation, this will undoubtedly lead her to the brushed under the carpet mass child deaths in Iraq, Canada, Australia, Afghanistan, Syria, Africa, to name but a few countries.

As they say..."The truth is out there", in most cases, unfortunate as it is, it is.

/cheers

Roy.

Footnote;- if me mentioning Australia has kindled your interests Tim, start here and take it from there.......

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All seems okay now, but, just what did it take to bring this to the attention of TPTB?, depending on how deep you research this, i'll guarantee if you dig deeper you'll uncover stuff that paints an entirely different picture.........

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