Email from CAP

[jas2587]

Lou is it true that you only own 40% of CAP now?I am shocked by this as I am sure most of us are if it is true ,I would have bet my last dollar you would hold on to 51%.I cant see any pdf so can't comment on any bank statement and 2 million dollars missing.
Not all business people check their account daily so can see if one partner could be in the dark at least til a bank statement came in.

well I saw it the very 1st transfer that he had circled was back around 1-20-09 then there was like 3 more

but like I said most bank statements read

tothemoon $500.00 $50000.00

who amount an balance

this had

amount transfered an a account # an a date
amount deposited an a account # an a date


the balance was at the very top of the page all by its lonely self

Cindy

 

[pokeraddict]

Who had February 23rd in the CAP self destructing pool?

 

[winbig]

Lou is it true that you only own 40% of CAP now?I am shocked by this as I am sure most of us are if it is true ,I would have bet my last dollar you would hold on to 51%.I cant see any pdf so can't comment on any bank statement and 2 million dollars missing.
Not all business people check their account daily so can see if one partner could be in the dark at least til a bank statement came in.

I saw the pdf...The dates range from 1/20 to 2/23, with the transfers occurring on 1/20, 1/23, 1/30 and 2/20.

It's possible that not all of the transfers would have shown up on January's statement, but there's two circled that would have, for sure, IMO...

Embezzlement is against the law....when are the charges going to be filed?

edit: not taking sides by any means, but it just seems weird. Some of our banks call us players in the USA questioning a $100 deposit made to some online casino, but they don't pick up the phone to alert an account holder that someone just withdrew a 6 figure sum from a business account?

 

[GamTrak]

casinobonusguy, i'm so sorry that I misread your post. I apologize for doing that. They all lied and they all need to be held accountable for it. I've not condoned any of the things that they did and only found out today about card spike once the Professor told me the actual truth and that he was going public.

I am truly sorry.

Warren took away my mod rights and stated that I he felt I would do something to hurt CAP so that right there showed me what was up as I would never knowingly cover for anyone.

 

[casinoranking]

'edit: not taking sides by any means, but it just seems weird. Some of our banks call us players in the USA questioning a $100 deposit made to some online casino, but they don't pick up the phone to alert an account holder that someone just withdrew a 6 figure sum from a business account?'

First of all I have never had the bank phone me when a wire comes in regardless of the size. If the bank account requires only 1 signature for a transfer to take place then the bank would not contact the other signatory. Obviously since Warren and Louis are in different states it would be impossible for them to go to the bank together whenever a business transaction needed to take place.

'sorry something doesnt add up
it takes you a MONTH to notice 2 Million gone'

Ever think that maybe the statements were not going to him and were going directly to the office. He might not have been in possession of these statements.

 

[winbig]

He might not have been in possession of these statements.

No login to internet banking, either?

As mentioned before, this statement is pretty ambiguous. Those withdrawals could be for anything.

 

[jas2587]

'edit: not taking sides by any means, but it just seems weird. Some of our banks call us players in the USA questioning a $100 deposit made to some online casino, but they don't pick up the phone to alert an account holder that someone just withdrew a 6 figure sum from a business account?'

First of all I have never had the bank phone me when a wire comes in regardless of the size. If the bank account requires only 1 signature for a transfer to take place then the bank would not contact the other signatory. Obviously since Warren and Louis are in different states it would be impossible for them to go to the bank together whenever a business transaction needed to take place.

'sorry something doesnt add up
it takes you a MONTH to notice 2 Million gone'

Ever think that maybe the statements were not going to him and were going directly to the office. He might not have been in possession of these statements.

I think a online withdraw of 1 Million bucks would warrent a phone call to the account holders Both Lou an Warren

an like I said I am sure Lou was checkin it often I think this is all a little game IMO that they are playing

 

[Ridge]

Lou:

I hope you realize how good you have it, you personally banned many of us because you were lying and stealing our money, when we spoke up you banned us/me. Now stuff isn't going your way and these people are hearing you out and giving you a voice. That is more than you gave any of us.

You both personally promised me that I would see the more than 5k from Cardspike, I have the IM to prove it, but when it came down to it you banned me and changed my sig and title like a child. And of course never paid me. Anyone want my zip file? really I'm over it and moved on because i'm above sinking to that level.

I've never had anything against you or Warren, but you took money out of my family and did not care. Yet you have the gall to expect sympathy because you have now been mistreated?

I've told you this before and I''ll tell you again, you need to take stock of your life, your decision, and most importantly your actions. When you do, you will see that they have all lead you to this place, today.

Maybe you got a raw deal, maybe you didn't, maybe this is a dumb ass ploy to divert attention and gain the sympathy you so desperately seek. Either way, I think we all do feel very sorry for you, but not for the reasons you want us to.

So, good luck and I hope you turn your life around soon. Also, be glad that you have some true friends defending you today. I'm sure at some point you were a different person and these people want to see that person again. You are truly blessed to have friends!

Good luck

Randy

Edit: I also want to say kudos to CM and GPWA for allowing Lou to talk, it shows who has class in this business!

 

[casinoranking]

He's had the website for years so why would he be logging in and checking bank statements every couple of days? The only reason he would do this is if he was paranoid that something was going to happen otherwise there would be no point.

Seriously, I checked my bank statement yesterday and before that the last time was in december. Oddly enough the reason I checked was to see if the hotel in Cancun had debited my credit card for the reservation I made. And why didn't I check my paper statements? Because they go to a pobox of which I didn't have access for several months. So there could be a million reasons why he didn't see that statement.

So quick to judge and its easy to judge when its not happening to you.

If you are not physically located somewhere and work from home, it's very easy for someone who has physical possession of the office to con you. Warren had the power and he used it.

And because Warren is a shareholder its not a simple matter of going to the police and claiming embezzlement because the police wont care and they will tell you its a civil case and that you have to sue.

 

[casinoranking]

'I think a online withdraw of 1 Million bucks would warrent a phone call to the account holders Both Lou an Warren'

For your information when my business partner liquidated my bank account way back in 2000 the account had it stipulated that there are 2 signatures required for any withdrawal. Over 400k was taken out by him and no phone call was made. The teller didn't even notice.

So if there is only 1 signature required they certainly would not call especially if they see the client go in and out of the bank on a frequent basis. It's called knowing your client and the bank would verify the account to be in good standing and think nothing of it. So many things could influence if a call is made such as how busy/lazy the teller is.

A transaction of 1 million dollars while for most people is a lot of money, for a business doing well it's not exactly eye raising. Hell condos sell for more than that these days.

 

[jas2587]

He's had the website for years so why would he be logging in and checking bank statements every couple of days? The only reason he would do this is if he was paranoid that something was going to happen otherwise there would be no point.

Seriously, I checked my bank statement yesterday and before that the last time was in december. Oddly enough the reason I checked was to see if the hotel in Cancun had debited my credit card for the reservation I made. And why didn't I check my paper statements? Because they go to a pobox of which I didn't have access for several months. So there could be a million reasons why he didn't see that statement.

So quick to judge and its easy to judge when its not happening to you.

If you are not physically located somewhere and work from home, it's very easy for someone who has physical possession of the office to con you. Warren had the power and he used it.

And because Warren is a shareholder its not a simple matter of going to the police and claiming embezzlement because the police wont care and they will tell you its a civil case and that you have to sue.

How many affilates have they lost since the London fiasco? Since they had them Security guards beat Steven up an throw him out of the hotel? Since he challanged J Todd to a street fight for stating what is now FACTS? How many that sat in a room an saw wait he is charging you how much well darn I am paying 3xs that much an get less? How many the now realize wait I got ripped off banned from his site had my Avitar changed to be belittled by Lou an Company?? He even Banned the Casinomeister

need I go on
like I said IMO I think it is all a game a game the man is playing

an when you are dealing with online bank accounts its best to check regulaly as there are people that will steal your idenity

I look at Lou Scrooge Mcduck or mr Crabby Pattie always lookin an counting the money

Cindy

 

[casinoranking]

Cindy I am not saying that he hasn't made mistakes, even large ones. I'm sorry you had that crap (am I allowed to say that here?) happen to you. It sounds like you did not deserve it at all.

CAP has made a lot of dumb moves no doubt about it.

But what I am saying is that Louis started CAP from scratch, and once it grew into the number 1 forum in the industry, you have a guy coming in who systematically plans to steal the business away from the founder and steals money. To me that is by far the greater evil.

What happened in London was unfortunate but I think most of us have at one point lost our cool and started something we later regretted. This is a far cry from plotting to rob someone of their livelihood and then enacting that plan.

 

[mojo]

The stolen 2 million is now between lou and warren to fight it out. One steals from the other now apparently, but I am having trouble sympathizing after everything that has been done to this entire industry by these two people.

I imagine it will go to court and I just hope that doesn't hurt us all further with what may come out.

 

[Ridge]

Cindy I am not saying that he hasn't made mistakes, even large ones. I'm sorry you had that crap (am I allowed to say that here?) happen to you. It sounds like you did not deserve it at all.

CAP has made a lot of dumb moves no doubt about it.

But what I am saying is that Louis started CAP from scratch, and once it grew into the number 1 forum in the industry, you have a guy coming in who systematically plans to steal the business away from the founder and steals money. To me that is by far the greater evil.

What happened in London was unfortunate but I think most of us have at one point lost our cool and started something we later regretted. This is a far cry from plotting to rob someone of their livelihood and then enacting that plan.

Once or twice is a mistake, this has been a pattern. I know several long standing members, mods, and admins who have been threatened, sent C&D letters, banned, belittled etc. NOT ONCE, but many times over.

 

[winbig]

A transaction of 1 million dollars while for most people is a lot of money, for a business doing well it's not exactly eye raising. Hell condos sell for more than that these days.

Really? The account balance after the $1.24M withdrawal was under [edit: numbers were wrong..., there were deposits made after the 1.24M withdrawal]$1200

And the wire was initiated online, not at any branch. It's quite obvious with the "PC INITIATED WIRE OLB TRANSFER FROM ####" in the "memo" field.

 

[casinoranking]

'And the wire was initiated online, not at any branch. It's quite obvious with the "PC INITIATED WIRE OLB TRANSFER FROM ####" in the "memo" field.'

Kind of hard for me to judge that when the PDF was deleted and I never saw it no? Or am I supposed to develop psychic abilities?

Regardless if the balance was that low it's pretty clear that the money was stolen. They left the account open as to not flag anything.

Done online or in person, if all it required was one signature doesn't change anything.

 

[LaurieJim]

I have been following this thread for awhile and this issue almost has all the makings for a damn good soap, we have intrigue, jealousy, lies, greed, theft, jilted partners, cheating , brawling, backstabbing, prima donnas and prima dicks, all thats missing is the sex and drugs and that really wouldnt shock me now, after all that i have read thus far

The true core of the soap is, many good people have been done wrong, they have been lied to and cheated , everyone will see things in a different light but just like all good soaps the truth always lies in the middle somewhere and then a new saga always begins..............laurie

 

[winbig]

'And the wire was initiated online, not at any branch. It's quite obvious with the "PC INITIATED WIRE OLB TRANSFER FROM ####" in the "memo" field.'

Kind of hard for me to judge that when the PDF was deleted and I never saw it no? Or am I supposed to develop psychic abilities?

Regardless if the balance was that low it's pretty clear that the money was stolen. They left the account open as to not flag anything.

Done online or in person, if all it required was one signature doesn't change anything.

Sorry, I thought you had grabbed it before it was removed...

In regards to the signature, there's not going to be one in this case, as the money was transferred online. When this goes to court, as I'm sure it will, WAMU will have to come up with the IP address of the computer that was used to initiate the transfer and go from there.

If two signatures are required for any type of withdrawal, I think WAMU would have some explaining to do, as well, as to how someone could log in and process a withdrawal for $1.24 million without both account holders permission....hell, I could have hacked in there and done the same thing.

Even so, if I had money in a WAMU account, I'd be getting it out right about now. If a $1.24M withdrawal doesn't raise any flags, you would figure a $1.24M withdrawal that left < $1200 in that account would.

all thats missing is the sex and drugs and that really wouldnt shock me now, after all that i have read thus far

Don't forget the rock 'n' roll....

as it was said, it's obvious that the money [may have] been stolen, but by whom? There's no proof one way or the other, and I think we should all reserve judgment until that proof is delivered...

 

[luckydabberbingo]

The only time the bank calls us on wires is if some info is not exactly correct.If this was an account they regularly sent money too even $5.00 and then they send 2 million it would not relaly raise eyebrows.I didn't see the statement ,is it online anywhere?

 

[jas2587]

Casinoranking I am just a player I did not have any of this happen to me but I am friends with Afflates that have been humilated by what Cap did to them
an I am outraged that 1 of my friends that probably didnt even know that i think of them as a friend was put in a prison suit an made a fool of by some 1 at Cap

J Todd an I have had disagreements yes but the way he was treated in London tsk tsk not a good deal

Steven I dont even know him but about my daughters age I was outraged that this was ordered done to him a beat down by people that musta thought they was the Cap Mafia

it is all totally bull an a outrage

but ya sow what ya reap

Cindy

 

[jas2587]

The only time the bank calls us on wires is if some info is not exactly correct.If this was an account they regularly sent money too even $5.00 and then they send 2 million it would not relaly raise eyebrows.I didn't see the statement ,is it online anywhere?

it was here but Simmo removed it cause it had account #s onit but hey even it coulda been made up pm the good ole Professer an ask him for a copy he didnt want it removed so he could plead his case so if that is in fact true then he should have no problem pming it back to ya

Cindy

 

[Professor]

I did not check the bank accounts daily. I had no reason to as I assumed Warren was working in good faith as fellow shareholder in the company. I received a monthly shareholders report and relied on that data. I am a signator on the original bank accounts and when I couldnt access the account online today to check if everything was ok I was denied access as Warren had changed the passwords. I drove down to WAMU here in Orlando and found out almost all monies were removed last Friday. This was prior to my announcement or email to CAP members. Warren has been actively plotting this for some time. I will be speaking with attornies tomorrow to see if we can recover any money but the Wamu records only show outgoing wire I have no idea where the funds went but they are no longer in any banks I have access to. This is theft at the highest level.

Dom you said you believe in freedom of speach and were hopeful Warren and I would work everything out. How is that possible if I have been banned at CAP, blocked on Skype and had my internal email accounts blocked and he refuses to accept any calls from me. Please note all of this was done PRIOR to my sending out the email earlier today and making the post which Warren or AJ removed.

Gamtrak also had her moderator rights removed and she can no longer PM members. How is that free speach or being open to a peaceful resolution? . How is that trying to save CAP as Warren keeps stating? I bet if you insist I be granted access back at CAP Warren will ban you as well. Dom you have known me for eight years and you were my most trusted Mod and friend. How can you condone or support the theft of all the companies money and my banning at CAP?

How am I supposed to feed my children, two elderly mothers (Mine and Maries) my wife and pay our mortgage if all the monies in the bank have been removed? I hope you realize exactly what Warren has done and the severity of it. This isnt a minor disagreement.

 

[Professor]

I will post access to PDF tomorrow wherever I can and anyone who wants url of PDF can PM me here I guess as I am still banned at CAP.

 

[jod5413]

Tough to prove anything if my pdfs are removed Simmo. I hope Bryan will be fair and allow me to show whats being done. Even if you dont like me personally, it isnt right.

Posting private and personal info that might have been doctored will not "prove" anything.

Ok I guess it was silly coming here, but since I cant post in my own forum anymore I had to try to get the word our somehow.

If this was happening to you lotso or Jas you wouldnt be so quick to shout me down.

You have "shouted" many down over the years. And banned many, and ridiculed many. And lied. Etc.,Etc.

The stolen 2 million is now between lou and warren to fight it out. One steals from the other now apparently, but I am having trouble sympathizing after everything that has been done to this entire industry by these two people.

I imagine it will go to court and I just hope that doesn't hurt us all further with what may come out.

It is hurting the entire industry. And will continue to do so as long as Lou stays in the spotlight, and Warren keeps being a bully at CAP and both keep posting their BS, which should be private, not posted publicly. The industry will suffer and pay for these two egoist's bad behavior.

 

[jas2587]

I did not check the bank accounts daily. I had no reason to as I assumed Warren was working in good faith as fellow shareholder in the company. I received a monthly shareholders report and relied on that data. I am a signator on the original bank accounts and when I couldnt access the account online today to check if everything was ok I was denied access as Warren had changed the passwords. I drove down to WAMU here in Orlando and found out almost all monies were removed last Friday. This was prior to my announcement or email to CAP members. Warren has been actively plotting this for some time. I will be speaking with attornies tomorrow to see if we can recover any money but the Wamu records only show outgoing wire I have no idea where the funds went but they are no longer in any banks I have access to. This is theft at the highest level.

Dom you said you believe in freedom of speach and were hopeful Warren and I would work everything out. How is that possible if I have been banned at CAP, blocked on Skype and had my internal email accounts blocked and he refuses to accept any calls from me. Please note all of this was done PRIOR to my sending out the email earlier today and making the post which Warren or AJ removed.

Gamtrak also had her moderator rights removed and she can no longer PM members. How is that free speach or being open to a peaceful resolution? . How is that trying to save CAP as Warren keeps stating? I bet if you insist I be granted access back at CAP Warren will ban you as well. Dom you have known me for eight years and you were my most trusted Mod and friend. How can you condone or support the theft of all the companies money and my banning at CAP?

How am I supposed to feed my children, two elderly mothers (Mine and Maries) my wife and pay our mortgage if all the monies in the bank have been removed? I hope you realize exactly what Warren has done and the severity of it. This isnt a minor disagreement.

why the heck are you now pickin on Dominique all she said in this whole thread is "That video is posted at CAPTV by the way"
she isnt saying she condones or believes in what they have done

shame on you

Cindy

 

[winbig]

[ramble]

self-regulation gone wrong...

everything's fine and dandy till greed rears its ugly head...

[/ramble]

 

[greek39]

So you want to get personal now huh? Please don't bring me into this!

You won't see the GPWA and other reputable forums trying to make this in to a fight like you seem to be trying to do so you should follow suit! We all need to work together NOT fight!

The professor will not STAY banned for long you can take THAT to the bank!

Hi Gam,

No ill intent, but if were you I would bail on the CAP project. This way I/we could see you as being an another affiliate.

JMO

greek39

 

[Professor]

Who's picking on Dom? I asked her how she could support my banning at CAP and the theft of all the companies funds. I think thats a valid question. Especially after all the years we have worked together.

 

[lots0]

Lou I think we are all interested in what you have to say.

But give us all a break and stop trying to play the sympathy card, we all got moms and families to feed. Your just irritating a lot of us that never saw any sympathy from you. Pointing fingers won't get you much respect either.

Lou, you should be thanking your lucky stars that Dom stuck with you as long as she did. From what I saw Dom went to the mat for you and then you kicked her in the butt after she took the bulk of the flak over you and Warren's unethical behavior.

 

[jas2587]

Who's picking on Dom? I asked her how she could support my banning at CAP and the theft of all the companies funds. I think thats a valid question. Especially after all the years we have worked together.

Where does she say she supports it?
not in this thread no where nope
she got flack for speaking up for CAP
an now you belittle her like it is her fault that YOU cant pay your bills
my gosh Man where is your sense of loyalty you act like she did this to you

Cindy

 

[winbig]

Who's picking on Dom? I asked her how she could support my banning at CAP and the theft of all the companies funds. I think thats a valid question. Especially after all the years we have worked together.

Whoa whoa whoa....

Where did she say she supported your banning? Or the "theft" of the company's funds????

Don't start putting words in people's mouths...

Going over the line a little, aren't you?

 

[Professor]

If it was your family or business it wouldnt be a sympathy card would it? I have always been Dom's biggest supporter. Shes knows that. All they way to back to when CAP started. Anyway I said what I needed to her and am hopeful she will respond. I think I have earned that much after all these years. If she doesnt agree than I cant do much to change that.

I am going to bed as its 12:20 here and I am exhausted. I hope tomorrow will bring a better day.

 

[lots0]

Sweet Dreams

 

[winbig]

Simmo said it best in the "CAP Loyalty" thread:

Let's quit the "speculation" and stick with facts and opinions please.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/cap-loyalty.29431/

I've never seen Dom speak out against you one time on this forum. Where are you getting your information?

 

[Professor]

Jeez I cant say a thing that doesnt bring a fusalade of rebukes from the same people. I will let Dom have a chance to read my questions and answer before I jump to conclusions. She also knows how to reach me privately. My remarks were based on a few posts she made at CAP and a lack of any visible support here all day. Good night all.

No matter where the chips fall I will always appreciate all Dom has done for me and CAP and I hope the respect is mutual.

 

[Kaus]

Gamtrak also had her moderator rights removed and she can no longer PM members. How is that free speach or being open to a peaceful resolution? . How is that trying to save CAP as Warren keeps stating? I bet if you insist I be granted access back at CAP Warren will ban you as well. Dom you have known me for eight years and you were my most trusted Mod and friend. How can you condone or support the theft of all the companies money and my banning at CAP?

How am I supposed to feed my children, two elderly mothers (Mine and Maries) my wife and pay our mortgage if all the monies in the bank have been removed? I hope you realize exactly what Warren has done and the severity of it. This isnt a minor disagreement.

How dare you!

I have not posted in quite a while on this other than for affiliates.

I am sorry Lou that you are in the situation you are in but what gives you the right to ask people how they can condone behaviour from him when you have done nothing but pissed on the affiliates who were making YOU and Warren money and slapped each of them in the face with your lies.

How are you supposed to feed your family?

I dont know why dont you ask the people who your company ripped off how they were supposed to feed their families? Maybe they can give you a few pointers on where to go from here. How should they pay their bills? They dont make millions from affiliating a year. In fact many still hold jobs in the real world in hopes of being able to do this full time. But thats not the point here is it. Right now its all about you and how you have been hurt. Stop the guilt trips.

Get off your soap box and own your actions and the mess that both of you created. You banned people who asked where their money was on your forum for promoting a room that you were managing/owning or whatever the story is this week. You banned people because they didnt want to bow down to "Your House". You made fun of affiliates who have been here since the beginning, those who stuck their necks on the line by promoting your skins and yet you have the audacity to plea for people's sympathy and question their integrity after everything you have done.

How can you condone your actions? Not being honest with your own affiliates and never stepping up to the plate like a real man would and say look we messed up but we want to fix this. Dont point the finger at just one person when you knew damn well what was going on

Like the conversation we had over the phone. You blamed Greg for all wrong doings at CardSpike. He was the one who messed up the stats, who didnt pay people when you had already received the funds from Cake way back in November. Its now almost march...six months from when that card room opened and there are still affiliates who havent been paid.

Whos fault is it now?

I felt bad for you in a way because I dont think anyone should lose their business and I am in most cases a fairly considerate person but my god get over yourself. You want people to have sympthay for you?

Start making ammends with the people you have hurt first with sincerity. This is not just to you but Warren to. Both are equally at fault IMO regardless of who owns what.

Lou - Be thankful that people are listening to you here. That your not being silenced like you have done to many of your peers. I do think its shitty whats going on...and whatever that may be beause I really havent a clue..there are always three sides to every story. But for what its worth I honestly think you need to step back and look at your actions in this and try to correct those first before you look for empathy from others.



*I know this is my first post guys but I am a member at GPWA and a mod at PAL...hopefully this wont get deleted here but if there are any problems with my posts please shoot me a PM. I am just really upset that someone has the nerve to ask why people arent supporting him in the way he would like when all he has done is walked over everyone else. I apologize if this is out of bounds for a first post*

 

[winbig]

Jeez I cant say a thing that doesnt bring a fusalade of rebukes from the same people. I will let Dom have a chance to read my questions and answer before I jump to conclusions. Ahew also hows to reach me privately. My remarks were based on a few posts she made at CAP and a lack of any visible support here all for me. Good night all.

Of course it's going to be rebuked. You're basically calling her out and saying that she supports what's going on. Not everyone here is a member or even reads the CAP forums, so it's not like they're getting the whole story.

And if you're not sure where she stands in this, why not ask her yourself....via PM's?

edit: You make it sound as if Dom betrayed you - which is quite the opposite if you step back and look at everything.

 

[lots0]

...I received a monthly shareholders report and relied on that data...

Lou links to the public SEC filings, like the 10K/A or an 8-K showing who owns what would go a long way to support your claims.

 

[pokeraddict]

Great post Kaus. This situation is exactly the reason I was never an affiliate when I owned Rake Rebate Review. For those that don't know it was a rakeback directory that helped rakeback explode. I never was nor have been an affiliate although I work for one now. This is exactly why, because of the massive conflict of interest. How in the world could you take advertising from casinos and poker rooms and then compete against them? Some of the people that copied my idea did just that and I called them out. You did it and then you lied about it and now you are here playing the victim.

First pay out the tens of thousand of dollars to the people who your company pushed into promoting your product that we all knew was your product even before CardSpike imploded. I know for a fact there are many more owed than have come public too. You, Warren or whoever know who they are and how much you owe them. PAY THEM! You banned them, deleted their posts, humiliated them, locked them out of their affiliate accounts, altered stats and to this day have ignored all of their emails. After you have righted all of those wrongs then you may find sympathy.

Don't get me wrong, you deserve your chance to speak your mind here just as anyone else and I'm glad you came here. I don't know you or Warren but I know the online poker industry as well as anyone. You have quite a few friends here, some I have the utmost respect for so you must be doing something right or have the ability to. I imagine though you don't owe those people tens of thousands of dollars either, most likely because they are casino affiliates and not poker affiliates therefor they never made the mistake of touching the CardSpike disaster.

 

[Simmo!]

I will post access to PDF tomorrow wherever I can and anyone who wants url of PDF can PM me here I guess as I am still banned at CAP.

My advice: take it or leave it:

Please think very carefully before you do that Lou. For two reasons: 1) on the assumption that somewhere along the line you and Warren have contracts and/or confidentiality agreements, going public with that could prove to be a self-damaging and very costly move for you IMO and 2) it has the potential to become a millstone around your neck for a long time. It may help to "prove a point", but at what cost?

It clearly has a place in your personal case against Warren, but opening it up for public scrutiny could potentially undermine that.

 

[Rakesh]

I think most of us have at one point lost our cool and started something we later regretted.

You are probably the coolest, calmest guy I have ever met! I've never seen you riled up.Takes a lot to get you going... and thats saying something!

 

[Webzcas]

Lou what I will say to you is that if you think that people believe Warren is an innocent party in all of this mess, then you are very much mistaken.

Warren is just as accountable as you are.

Whether you regain control of your company and CAP is a moot point, the damage has already been done IMO.

Believe it or not I am not enjoying any of this, it is like watching a car crash. The people I feel sorry for are the staff your company employ, the people like Alex who puts on your events, your families and all the others who will be directly affected by the fall out from this mess.

Also I would seriously listen to Simmo and not make public the pdf of your company bank statement. It is your choice, but one you may regret if you go ahead and pass it on to all and sundry.

Finally, Bryan sure knows when to take a holiday

 

[daera]

Who's picking on Dom? I asked her how she could support my banning at CAP and the theft of all the companies funds. I think thats a valid question. Especially after all the years we have worked together.

Dom you said you believe in freedom of speach and were hopeful Warren and I would work everything out. How is that possible if I have been banned at CAP, blocked on Skype and had my internal email accounts blocked and he refuses to accept any calls from me. Please note all of this was done PRIOR to my sending out the email earlier today and making the post which Warren or AJ removed.

I'm not sure how you see Dom as being supportive of CAP bannings without very valid reason for the banning. Remember Dom is the one that started the "Cap Bannings - Open Discussion' string at CAP. To find out how CAP members felt and what they wanted to see changed in that regard. YOU on the other hand, came in and renamed the thread to 'CAP Membership - Open Discussion', you practically crucified Dom in one of your first "I'm back from retirement" posts, and you told me not to speak to you directly anymore and really nailed me for my posts in the "CAP Bannings - Open Discussion" thread.

It really is ironical watching and reading things now that you're speaking from the other side of the fence.

I'm sorry, but the credibility is just not there Professor.

 

[same_old]

Hand the Key's over to Bryan, Simmo and spear, very trusted and respected members of the community

 

[Nandakishore]

The industry will suffer and pay for these two egoist's bad behavior.

What worries me most is that this fiasco may attract the attention of DoJ and god knows who else. They may start following the trails of the whole BS and start ransacking the forums and then the affiliates.

 

[BingoT]

I don't like to get involved in any of this Pity Party Drama stuff but I have to say Jas2587 pretty much nailed this to a T I think.& the better part of this is She's a player not an Affiliate.
And also Kaus had a great post also.
I think after all this mess CAP's is (----------)
What we call Flat Lined and the so called Trust is Lost and will never beat again. Expired Image (We know the Trust was gone awhile back)
It's just a shame for the Industry that this goes on.
Lou whatever way you go you find Peace & Harmony.I think you should of came out right from the start of all this not weeks later.
The true colors of people always come out of them.
This kinda stuff should not be around and we all get along because you know Life is so dam short.
Thank You & I Wish Everyone The Best & May Peace Be With Us All.
B-T
Lou you have dug your hole on this one.

 

[BobRains]

Not trying to replace anyone.

So, as entertaining as it might be for readers, I don't think it's a great idea to have this kind of back and forth business discussion in public forum. That being said I feel compelled to comment. I am not now nor have I ever been planning on taking over CAP.
NOPE, not at all

Guys I have been receiving information from an Affiliate Program thats been kind enough to tip me off for the last few weeks as to whats been happening. Here is something they sent today:

Whats Ironic is I introduced Bob to Warren aff CAP Spring Break in Cyrpus and sold him to the moon as I really do believe he's one of the best SEO guys on the planet.

I guess this also explains why a mutual associate with Warren and I on the publishing end of the business talked to Warren on Friday and told me Bob was supposed to call me over the weekend. The call never came. My events coordinator has not responsded to any of my emails either through out all this so again I can see why.

What's Ironic there.... Warren was asking that all sales and accounting for CAP Events be moved in house so the event planners would only have to "concentrate" on setting up the shows. He planned to hire in house event planners once that transition took place so AMI would have 100% of the revenues instead of a Joint Venture like we had been working under. :notworthy

I was offered the VP of Marketing role on the last day of CAP London, and was thrilled about the role, so I took it.

Heres why.

I think CAP has some of the best events in the industry, and I look forward to helping make them more awesome.

I think that the relationship between affiliates, and operators can and should be about filling gaps in marketing, setting and proving or dis-proving evolving niches, and most importantly innovating online channels to promote brands for fun and profit. CAP/PAP is and should be a great advocate towards this end, and is sitting in a great place to push the boundaries and make both affiliate, and operators great profits.

I also think that in the global economic downturn, now more than ever both affiliates and operators need to be thinking of ways to have greater engagement with consumers thus providing higher ROI campaigns. I feel strongly that CAP, PAP and the affiliate marketing industry, as a whole needs to lead this charge the same way they did during the early days of the Internet.

Not to mention that Warren and Lou both agreed to allow me to work for them, and also work as an affiliate so that I could continue to challenge myself, understand whats really going on, and last but not least, significantly increase my earnings.

So, Sorry Lou if someone told you I was going to call you, and this lead you to think I was part of some Coup, not the case. I was made aware of this situation by a mutual friend, but felt it was best to stay out of it until I arrived in CA. Ive been very focused on finishing my business in Malta, and packing for the flight, and will be in Irvine Friday.

Until then, I respectfully request and will greatly appreciate it if you could keep me out of the forum mess, and not make assumptions until we speak personally. I consider you a peer, and a friend, and in no way take any of this lightly.

 

[PokerNations]

Warren has been actively plotting this for some time. I will be speaking with attornies tomorrow to see if we can recover any money but the Wamu records only show outgoing wire I have no idea where the funds went but they are no longer in any banks I have access to. This is theft at the highest level.

You didn't seem to have an issue with the outrageous fees you charged at CAP for "certification", nor with the money stolen from affiliates who promoted Cardspike........until you realized Warren was pushing you out of the company.

So it's ok for you to steal from others, but when it's done to you it's "theft at the highest level?"

Dom you said you believe in freedom of speach and were hopeful Warren and I would work everything out. How is that possible if I have been banned at CAP, blocked on Skype and had my internal email accounts blocked and he refuses to accept any calls from me. Please note all of this was done PRIOR to my sending out the email earlier today and making the post which Warren or AJ removed.

Gamtrak also had her moderator rights removed and she can no longer PM members. How is that free speach or being open to a peaceful resolution? . How is that trying to save CAP as Warren keeps stating? I bet if you insist I be granted access back at CAP Warren will ban you as well. Dom you have known me for eight years and you were my most trusted Mod and friend. How can you condone or support the theft of all the companies money and my banning at CAP?

Last I recall, you were screaming how CAP and PAP were "my house, MY HOUSE!" and silencing any critics. You were at least aware (if not personally involved) in massive bannings and childish antics on both sites.

Long-time respected members of the affiliate community where banned, many without notice. And many were banned secretly (i.e. nothing on their profiles indicated they were banned, so other members could only assume the members stopped posting and weren't unfairly silenced)

Many of those who were banned were pushed out because:

1. They were friendly with people CAP/PAP viewed as competitors (despite having NEVER spoken out against CAP/PAP up to that point

2. They were complaining about the Cardspike program (and not complaining about CAP/PAP, just asking for support in arbitration regarding the room that you and your cronies swore up and down you had ZERO involvement with)

Not only did your company conduct massive bannings, but it also went into accounts and changed members passwords, made posts under those banned members accounts supporting your party line, and so forth.

You also had members custom titles and avatars changed to humiliate and belittle them. For you to have the nerve to come onto any industry forum and cry foul is laughable after the actions you were involved with.

The real question is how could YOU condone or support the theft and lies perpertrated by your company?

In addition, you've previously mentioned that you are the "majority shareholder" in the companies in question. I think you misunderstand terminology here.

To have majority control would be 51% or greater. You own 40% according to what Warren has stated. That may make you the single largest shareholder on a personal level (i.e. perhaps Warren and the 3rd partner own 30% each, putting you ahead of each individually), but that doesn't give you a "majority" controlling interest in the company.

How am I supposed to feed my children, two elderly mothers (Mine and Maries) my wife and pay our mortgage if all the monies in the bank have been removed? I hope you realize exactly what Warren has done and the severity of it. This isnt a minor disagreement.

Where did I put that violin. We've all heard your sad tales before Lou. You constantly try to redirect the issues and avoid discussing your involvement or apologizing for the mess.

You want us all to feel sorry for you, but we're all upset with you and those you were in bed with. You lied to the members of this industry, you tried to cover it up, you humiliated and degraded respected people in the communities in an attempt to demonize anyone who demanded the truth.

And now when you realize how truly screwed your situation is, you expect us to all suddenly feel bad for you? Hardly mate, you made your bed and have to lie in it.

CAP is finished, and you have a long and hard road ahead in the courts. Karma's a bitch

 

[LaurieJim]

Bravo!!!!!!!PokerNations, you summed it all up in a nutshell, a damn great post imo........laurie

 

[PokerNations]

Bravo!!!!!!!PokerNations, you summed it all up in a nutshell, a damn great post imo........laurie

*bows* Ty, ty!

And now, to inject a little bit of humor that also sums up poor Professors situation:

The Professors Frantic 911 Call

Dispatcher: 911, what is your emergency?

Professor: Hello?! I'd like to report a robbery!

Dispatcher: What was stolen sir?

Professor: Me and a couple buddies have been stealing from the industry by charging ridiculous "certification" fees and running a rogue cardroom. We made millions off these scams. But now my partners in crime went and took all the money we stole, and left me with nothing, THAT'S NOT RIGHT!

Dispatcher: So they stole the money you stole, sir?

Professor: Why are you accusing me? What did I do to deserve this? I have a family of elderly infirmed people to care for, and I've got the club foot and the avian flu, how could they do this to me?! How can you condone this?!

Dispatcher: Sir, we're sending a squad car over to pick you up

Professor: YOU AREN'T LISTENING TO ME!!! 40% OF THAT STOLEN MONEY BELONGS TO ME, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?



*squad car arrives and escorts Professor away in cuffs*

Professor: My house, MY HOUSE!



Yes, I know this isn't in the greatest taste. But I'm so infuriated with how the Professor ignores the harm he and his partners caused in this industry, while trying to complain about his personal problems.

Professor, you come across like the type of person who thinks it's ok to punch someone 20 times in the face, but when they retaliate and hit you back once suddenly they are the one out of line and out of control (and you did nothing wrong)

EDIT: And to further add, weren't you also involved and complacent in the banning of CasinoMeister from your forums? Didn't you also compare JTodd and Corfman to nazis, claiming they were horrible, wretched and vile people in one of your off-the-wall desperation rants awhile back?

You've tried to demonize everyone who sought the truth, tried to paint them as the villians, including encouraging affiliates and programs to not do business with these people and organizations.

And your company has also been involved in strong-arm tactics, trying to force affiliate programs to not do business with certain competitors, etc.