[discussion] limited bet sizes

Bloatgoat

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Reactoonz, Book of dead, Legacy of dead, Aztec gold, fantastic games, all already capped at a max bet of in between 5 and 10. It's listed in the "new games section" as well and frankly, NONE of the games actually hit something decent while they still are in the new section.

Appearantly it needs seeding and i guess it works different then what we're being told about games and providers. Ah well there's 5 different ones to choose from that do not have these limitations.
 

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Reactoonz, Book of dead, Legacy of dead, Aztec gold, fantastic games, all already capped at a max bet of in between 5 and 10. It's listed in the "new games section" as well and frankly, NONE of the games actually hit something decent while they still are in the new section.

Appearantly it needs seeding and i guess it works different then what we're being told about games and providers. Ah well there's 5 different ones to choose from that do not have these limitations.
What the **** do them being in the new section got to do with performance?
 

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It took till second page before "randomness" joined to thread :) I wouldn't just play slots or any other games at all if just always getting same bad feeling that somebody is not fair and try to take your money (of course they do by offering games where RTP is under 100%).

When the fun stops etc... If you looking financial investment or way to make money, these are one of worse investment. Maybe missed point but is only coming later after this "seeding" theory how casino cheated this time? If limiting bet size feels that winning is impossible (like all these any other reasons and theories) why on earth to spend any money to these? If can be winning player in landbased, would spend all my time and money there instead wasting all these deposits just to try to make point that winning from casinos is very rare and happen to very few in long run and only if you stop playing when you're winning.
 

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Sigh... @Halvor I'm going to ignore you. The casino themself provided me full documentation of how their system in a nutshell works. Seeding is a part of it. I think i understand now why inhouse games are unlimited and non-inhouse games are limited as it pretty much has everything todo with cashflow.

Following the exposed situation, regarding the behavior of the games, I inform that the generation of results in games of chance, xxx is based on a random number generator (GNA), as well as on relevant functionalities to support its activity (e.g., algorithm seed, mapping, shuffling), as provided for in applicable legislation.
 

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Do you know what algorithm seeding actually is and what it's there for? Which part of game lobby some game is have nothing to do it, 5 point hint.
 

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Sigh... @Halvor I'm going to ignore you. The casino themself provided me full documentation of how their system in a nutshell works. Seeding is a part of it. I think i understand now why inhouse games are unlimited and non-inhouse games are limited as it pretty much has everything todo with cashflow.
Well feel free to share this with the rest of us then,because it's simply bullshit. The only proof you have ever provided is your gut feeling.

Edit: after reading your post again, it's not just slots you do not understand. It's a complete lack of algorithm and maths.
 

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Could any moderator just lock this thread? I already had an answer to my initial question, but appearantly this has to lead to another rigged/not-rigged thread and personally people like halvor can suck it.
 

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Could any moderator just lock this thread? I already had an answer to my initial question, but appearantly this has to lead to another rigged/not-rigged thread and personally people like halvor can suck it.
Stick with the porn industry.
 

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200 quid a spin

Only way to win a tenner on it.

Hilarious. Agree with Kroffe that i like it though - its a very well produced game i think.

This is interesting and from a casino so no secret it would seem but clearly not as simple as just RNG.

Following the exposed situation, regarding the behavior of the games, I inform that the generation of results in games of chance, xxx is based on a random number generator (GNA), as well as on relevant functionalities to support its activity (e.g., algorithm seed, mapping, shuffling), as provided for in applicable legislation.
Any techies know what this actually means and could explain to a dumbo or would my feeble mind explode?
 

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Hilarious. Agree with Kroffe that i like it though - its a very well produced game i think.

This is interesting and from a casino so no secret it would seem but clearly not as simple as just RNG.


Any techies know what this actually means and could explain to a dumbo or would my feeble mind explode?

I quite like it as well - if it's running well, it can be an enjoyable session but there's just zero chance of hitting anything decent. If they could just add some win potential to the maths of the game I'd probably play it
 

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Hilarious. Agree with Kroffe that i like it though - its a very well produced game i think.

This is interesting and from a casino so no secret it would seem but clearly not as simple as just RNG.


Any techies know what this actually means and could explain to a dumbo or would my feeble mind explode?

Think these been discussed in some threads, Wikepia and many other sources depend how much in detail willing to go, gives some quite simple explanations.

Pseudo Random Number Generator:

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"Random" Seed:
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Good statistical properties are a central requirement for the output of a PRNG. In general, careful mathematical analysis is required to have any confidence that a PRNG generates numbers that are sufficiently close to random to suit the intended use.
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cautioned about the misinterpretation of a PRNG as a truly random generator, and joked that "Anyone who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin."
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This is interesting and from a casino so no secret it would seem but clearly not as simple as just RNG.
Any techies know what this actually means and could explain to a dumbo or would my feeble mind explode?

Here's some more for you:

The GNAs used by XXX, are recognized as a cryptographically safe source for generating random numbers and are subject to a "battery" of statistical tests: DIEHARD test suite (Marsaglia); Set of Statistical Tests from NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) or a set of similar tests at the same level. The tests are performed with a set of data that are considered by the OCR as a guarantee to guarantee valid statistical results.

I dont doubt the random/genuine-ness from that casino, i mean, they paid me out 65k previous year. The initial question was just not about this all; this is what they supplied me when i questioned why the limited bets all over where into place. That was their answer.

So yeah in a way the game could still be just as random as with uncorked bets or play as it was intended, but i know there's a difference in between both games (capped and uncapped) on 3 different casino's. They send me a link as well in PDF completely narrowing down the workings of online slotting sort of say. But mind you it's in portugese, and translation does work difficult straight from a PDF file.

Bottom line: they refer to a goverment website where all this info is publicly available. And a list of actual casino's with a license. So when i verified the other listed casino's, they are a exception compared to the rest offering the same games but without a limited betsize.

So again; i dispute the given argument of the casino, if at one point they state "We limit the bets for players safety" and still offer inhouse games such as RTP based roulette / blackjack and quite a few other games with up to 2500 bets a spin. It seems to me that every non-in-house game has a limit on bets and the games that do run inhouse are'nt.

Kind of contradictory. I've send them an email to cancel my account with my reasons to it. And perhaps later again i'll re-open it. The best way to vote is with your wallet.
 

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Think these been discussed in some threads, Wikepia and many other sources depend how much in detail willing to go, gives some quite simple explanations.

Pseudo Random Number Generator:

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"Random" Seed:
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And to state the obvious, what tab the casino put the game in, what time of the day you play it, what you ate for breakfast, if your right or left hand and whatnot is NOT part of any RNG.
 

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And to state the obvious, what tab the casino put the game in, what time of the day you play it, what you ate for breakfast, if your right or left hand and whatnot is NOT part of any RNG.
Thats just propaganda from the Kellogs-mafia.
Obviously Lucky charms will make you luckier, otherwise they would be called normal charms.
 

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Shame really, because i kind of like the bonus on that game.
Jumping around that gameboard having a couple minifeatures in a bonus etc.
Just no potential to be found =(

Yes it badly needed to be a 720 way game they proper fucked up on that game design for higher rollers, but probably does great from casual players, so i'm guessing that was the plan all along and the market they were targeting for that particular game.

Remember providers have to provide games for all market players from the casual, mid way and hard core players.
 
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