Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[dunover]

The vaccine is effectively equivalent to fresh underwear and underarm deodorant - you don't have to put them on, no-one can force you to, but if you don't then you can expect some limitations in your social life and human interaction as a result. So if you want to go for a beer down the Jabbed Arms or Black Bull, think about that.

 

[slotplayer]

thats weird, as many news outlets are reporting over 10 million administered, for example

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Texas has administered more than 10 million vaccine doses, and the state will receive more than 1 million first doses this week, according to DSHS. The department also said it’s in the process of ordering more than half a million second doses for people who received their first shot a few weeks ago.

and DSHS direct

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Texas has now administered more than 10 million doses, an increase of 1.2 million in the last week. More than 6.8 million people have received at least one dose, and almost 3.5 million are fully vaccinated. Among Texas seniors, more than six in 10 have received at least one dose, and four in 10 are now fully vaccinated. More than 30 percent of all Texans at least 16 years old have gotten at least one dose.

I misread news reports as being 10 million vaccinated when it was doses, but DSHS are still saying over 6.8 million people, which is 50% higher than that site, and they also state over 30% of over 16's

The site I posted looks about right.
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,153,575 as of April 2

The Texas state site says almost 3.5 million fully vaccinated as of March 26th.

 

[colinsunderland]

The site I posted looks about right.
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,153,575 as of April 2

The Texas state site says almost 3.5 million fully vaccinated as of March 26th.

ah right, teach me to skim read things, thats pretty good going

 

[irish-ranger]

Belgium don't fuck about do they!

We used to have a police force as nails as the Dutch police then we got the good Friday agreement..

 

[dealer wins]

Belgium don't fuck about do they!

This footage will be useful, It will be used at the Nuremberg 2 trials.

 

[dealer wins]

The vaccine is effectively equivalent to fresh underwear and underarm deodorant - you don't have to put them on, no-one can force you to, but if you don't then you can expect some limitations in your social life and human interaction as a result. So if you want to go for a beer down the Jabbed Arms or Black Bull, think about that.

OK, I actually cannot have the vaccine due to my Hep B vax nearly killing me in the street 30 mins after having it due to severe shock. (Not that I would have it until it has completed its stage 3 safety trial at the earliest)

So should I be denied access to society, effectively be treated like a leper.

If the bloody thing works, why would it matter, you will be protected??

 

[irish-ranger]

This footage will be useful, It will be used at the Nuremberg 2 trials.

Honestly mate there's obviously air getting in ffs how u can compare a virus and the nuremburg war trials who do u propose we arrest and put on trial??

 

[electronictonic]

OK, I actually cannot have the vaccine due to my Hep B vax nearly killing me in the street 30 mins after having it due to severe shock. (Not that I would have it until it has completed its stage 3 safety trial at the earliest)

So should I be denied access to society, effectively be treated like a leper.

If the bloody thing works, why would it matter, you will be protected??

Summed up in 1 tweet.

 

[colinsunderland]

Summed up in 1 tweet.

When did he say he wanted to bring them in?

 

[slotplayer]

ah right, teach me to skim read things, thats pretty good going

trust me, you're not the only one that skim reads things.

 

[sufferinsilence]

trust me, you're not the only one that skim reads things.

I'm great at it, I only read things that suit me.

 

[Slottery]

Lockdowns will likely become a thing of the past once England emerges from restrictions in June, Professor Chris Whitty has said, as he suggested Britain will treat coronavirus like the flu in the future.

England’s chief medical officer said the UK would have to learn to live with the virus, noting that up to 25,000 people can die in a bad flu year without the figure hitting the headlines.

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Dunno who this guy is but one of those who admitted lately that this virus not gonna really easily disappear from world with few lockdowns or other magic tricks but more probably is here to stay with other ones and a certain amount of people do pass away and have long term symptoms like from many other diseases. We might see new vaccinations for this one like for influenza every year with little different twist for new season. Some might take it every winter like influenza jab and some not, but don't really believe that this one after few years is THE virus which you have to have the vaccination for every winter to be allowed to travel or attend to football games etcetc.... Time will tell, let's see after few years.

 

[geordiecolin]

Yes, she's one person, just talking.
physician
You said 'They are shitting themselves that the proof is being shown that getting back to life without needing a vaccine is being proven' and I asked what the proof was. You've responded by saying texas, but 10 million people have been vaccinated (over a third of the population), so I don't understand how that proves life gets back to normal without one?
Also, 3 weeks isn't long enough to see any effect of restrictions or removal of restrictions. It always takes around 3 weeks before you see any change in cases, and another 3-4 weeks before you see changes in hospitalisations or deaths, but with a third of the population vaccinated personally I would be surprised if there was any major increase.

However, France has had a very low take up of the vaccine (due to misinformation being spread), and they have just gone back into lockdown. Surely if Texas is proof of your way of thinking, then France shows the complete opposite?

She is not just some Doris pulled randomly from the street though. She is Dr Leana Wen who is a Chinese physician who is employed specifically buy very many media outlets that all push the official line on the virus.

I have been looking at various statistics such as death rates around the World,obesity, climate, population densities etc. and it just adds to the confusion about the virus.
Countries that have high death rates do not always have a higher obesity rate than those with low rates. Population densities also show conflicting data. Wearing masks and lock downs v no masks and no lock downs being another. Diet, skin colour and Vitamin B access of differing Countries. Vaccination program uptake in various countries being another.
I don't claim to be any good with statistics and data but nor are most of the populations of this world.
I think that it is high time that there should be open debate worldwide about how and why there is such conflicting information and data re what it means to how the virus and viruses in future are dealt with instead of there predominantly being only one narrative

 

[mack341]

I wonder if we'd be required to prove we're vaccinated [or have antibodies, recent negative test] to attend a wedding or funeral, the vicar/priest employing a technology app reader to scan everyone's mobile device. Or even at the weekly church service, it's a gathering of people.

How about if you have a large party at home or hire a venue for a reception, you'd have to scan all your guests as they arrive, send them packing if their info is out of date?

What If a person's mobile phone/device battery runs down during the day and they forget or can't charge it they're stuffed. [implanted microchips, as they have in places like sweden, would not have that disadvantage re battery life and getting misplaced or stolen]

Saw this graphic below on twitter, probably snipped from a recent Sun or mail newspaper article. Obviously in the needed column all those had a traditional entry point process to begin with, so would be the most easiest place to start off the 'green pass' society, install some scan reader technology at the door etc... but then how long before it extends throughout life, into the other column, every little shop/premises/taxi etc...

 

[Kroffe]

Physical card

Chip technology

 

[mack341]

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[dailymail]

"Many Government advisers are determined to keep us in restrictions beyond June 21 – the promised end of lockdown.

If they have their way, this will not be the great day of release but a 'new normal' in which medical scientists stay close to the heart of power and shape the way we live, as the lives we once enjoyed fade to a distant memory.

I am not exaggerating.

"Some will refuse to be vaccinated. They must accept responsibility for their choice but, remember, they are no threat to the rest of us. We are protected by our own decision to accept the vaccine.

 

[mack341]

Govey on covid certification [paywalled article, but there are some ways and means to the tech savvy ... sadly that doesn't include me]

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"Vaccination is a hugely powerful tool, but it can never provide 100 per cent protection. That is why we need to look at every option potentially available to ensure the fastest, safest and most sustainable road back to normality. [why would anyone expect 100% in life, flu jabs provide about 50% protection and we've never required additional certification and proofs supporting that]

"I believe there are some places you should never have to demonstrate your covid status to access – essential services such as the supermarket, the chemist or the GP surgery. We need to ask where else it would be wrong to require certification. And also consider where certification could, fairly, allow us to relax social distancing faster.

That is why I want Telegraph readers and others to keep sharing their views on the way ahead. Certification will be an inevitability for international travel. It could be a valuable aid to opening up our domestic economy and society faster. Unless the Government takes a lead we risk others establishing the rules of the road. So where should the lines be drawn to help protect freedoms, respect privacy, promote equality and get us back to normality? And how can we ensure our approach is proportionate and time-limited? "

 

[dealer wins]

A good article in the Mail today.

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[colinsunderland]

A good article in the Mail today.

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Have you ran out if conspiracy theories to post, so just start copying posts from here now?

 

[cncas2123]

Some stuff on Vitamin D.

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[dionysus]

28 day lockdown as of saturday- 2 days ago
so, naturallly, 2 days in, street jam packed fulla cars, people gathering, hugging, 0 masks and all the kids in every drive playing b-ball
eesh

 

[dealer wins]

People have had enough of this bollocks all over the world.

 

[colinsunderland]

People have had enough of this bollocks all over the world.

people breaking the rules, causing it to spread more and causing more lockdowns? Yeah people are sick of them.

 

[dealer wins]

Im still waiting for a shred of evidence that lockdowns work. Florida and Texas are proving beautifully, just like Sweden did last year, that they categorically don't!!

 

[slotmaster]

lol wut, we gave you post after post and first hand accounts that they do when done correctly.

 

[colinsunderland]

Im still waiting for a shred of evidence that lockdowns work. Florida and Texas are proving beautifully, just like Sweden did last year, that they categorically don't!!

apart from the hundreds of posts you ignore on here? What else would you like?

Here's a pretty picture for you to look at

Feel free to explain how every single time a lockdown was imposed, the figures went down, and every time it was lifted, they went up? Was it the magic fairies causing that?
Oh wait, you haven't any other time you've been asked, so you won't now, because thats what conspiracy theorists and trolls do. Start a conversation, then when they are proven wrong, run away, then come back with a different one.

 

[dealer wins]

Ive already explained we locked down after the peak in all those cases. If we had not locked down those graphs would look the same.

Swedens look the same without a lockdown

 

[cncas2123]

Ive already explained we locked down after the peak in all those cases. If we had not locked down those graphs would look the same.

Swedens look the same without a lockdown

Why are you telling us? This forum isnt going to change the lockdowns.
Why not go and see Boris and SAGE with your evidence that lockdowns dont work so that they can stop them right away and put the whole country back to work and get the night life restarted?

 

[colinsunderland]

Ive already explained we locked down after the peak in all those cases. If we had not locked down those graphs would look the same.

Swedens look the same without a lockdown

And when I gave you the figures to show you were wrong, you didn't answer, as I said, run away and come back with the next crackpot theory a few days later.
You see the pretty pictures above? You see the lines are at the highest in the grey bits? Thats because the peaks weren't before the lockdowns.

 

[sufferinsilence]

 

[geordiecolin]

The smell must be utterly atrocious what with them shitting themselves about possibly catching a virus that's average victim is older than the average life expectancy.

 

[colinsunderland]

The smell must be utterly atrocious what with them shitting themselves about possibly catching a virus that's average victim is older than the average life expectancy.

well a third of the population is vaccinated, plus if you add cases in it takes it up to around half the adults in Texas so would imagine they aren't that worried

 

[geordiecolin]

well a third of the population is vaccinated, plus if you add cases in it takes it up to around half the adults in Texas so would imagine they aren't that worried

By that same token if you add:
1. The amount of folk in the uk that has had the vaccine
2 Those who have already had confirmed covid.
3 Those that had it but where told in the early months not to attend hospital or the Dr unless they where struggling to the extreme
4 Plus the estimated at least 5 times that amount that have already had covid but who did not report having it due to either not being unwell enough to bother and those who had it but did not even know it.

I think it is time for us to open up fully without masks unless you are needing to employ such measures where your in a position where you need to protect the vulnerable.

I think that my concert next month that was rearranged from last year should go ahead without restrictions or covid passports.

 

[dealer wins]

well a third of the population is vaccinated, plus if you add cases in it takes it up to around half the adults in Texas so would imagine they aren't that worried

You might want to delete your post, you have just verified all my posts, and destroyed every one of yours loooooool

 

[colinsunderland]

By that same token if you add:
1. The amount of folk in the uk that has had the vaccine
2 Those who have already had confirmed covid.
3 Those that had it but where told in the early months not to attend hospital or the Dr unless they where struggling to the extreme
4 Plus the estimated at least 5 times that amount that have already had covid but who did not report having it due to either not being unwell enough to bother and those who had it but did not even know it.

I think it is time for us to open up fully without masks unless you are needing to employ such measures where your in a position where you need to protect the vulnerable.

I think that my concert next month that was rearranged from last year should go ahead without restrictions or covid passports.

Thats what's starting to happen though. We have a lot of places opening up next week, then next month even more. It would be foolhardy to re-open everything at once and risk the figures shooting back up and ending back in lockdown.

You might want to delete your post, you have just verified all my posts, and destroyed every one of yours loooooool

Don't be so ridiculous.

 

[geordiecolin]

Thats what's starting to happen though. We have a lot of places opening up next week, then next month even more. It would be foolhardy to re-open everything at once and risk the figures shooting back up and ending back in lockdown.


Don't be so ridiculous.

Unless the goalposts change or another new virus hits we should not really have another lock down in this country or places like Texas given the data.
And Texas is one of the least fully vaccinated states in America so most of America should end the lock downs and mask wearing also.
Fear is the driving force I believe

 

[colinsunderland]

Unless the goalposts change or another new virus hits we should not really have another lock down in this country or places like Texas given the data.
And Texas is one of the least fully vaccinated states in America so most of America should end the lock downs and mask wearing also.
Fear is the driving force I believe

I don't think they will change, so far he's done things when he said he would, as long as the figures stay low then I think we will be back to some form of normal life in May. There will still be some restrictions I think, especially regarding foreign travel, and I agree with that. Last thing we want is thousands heading off to Spain for a couple of weeks and stating it all off again. I still think the biggest mistake the government made was not closing the borders over a year ago. Travel to and from countries with high numbers especially, shouldn't be allowed unless it's absolutely essential.

 

[geordiecolin]

I don't think they will change, so far he's done things when he said he would, as long as the figures stay low then I think we will be back to some form of normal life in May. There will still be some restrictions I think, especially regarding foreign travel, and I agree with that. Last thing we want is thousands heading off to Spain for a couple of weeks and stating it all off again. I still think the biggest mistake the government made was not closing the borders over a year ago. Travel to and from countries with high numbers especially, shouldn't be allowed unless it's absolutely essential.

I agree that they should have halted passenger flights from abroad from the beginning. I can't recall exactly how long flights continued without looking but I recall posting a real time graph in this forum last year showing passenger flights around the Country long after they should have been stopped. After all,the idea was meant to lock down to flatten the curve in order to buy time to support the NHS and allow the Nightinggales to be built. That as well as obtain ventilators etc.
I also vaguely recall this time last year there being a discussion about farm workers being shipped in to the UK when so many Brits where desperate for work and had applied in droves to be taken on by farms.
My social media also reminds me that this time last year I was just about recovered from what I presumed was covid

 

[geordiecolin]

Ha. Wouldn't it be good for shits and giggles to have a thread entitled "This time last year in the Coronavirus Thread" ?

 

[Kroffe]

Some say today is the day we reach happy world land.

 

[slotplayer]

Unless the goalposts change or another new virus hits we should not really have another lock down in this country or places like Texas given the data.
And Texas is one of the least fully vaccinated states in America so most of America should end the lock downs and mask wearing also.
Fear is the driving force I believe

Can you see the maps or is it paywalled? I usually can't see NYT articles but this one I could.

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[geordiecolin]

Can you see the maps or is it paywalled? I usually can't see NYT articles but this one I could.

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I can thanks

 

[colinsunderland]

Can you see the maps or is it paywalled? I usually can't see NYT articles but this one I could.

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I can't

 

[Kroffe]

I can't

Works for me when i open in incognito mode.

Edit: Oh, it also works when i open it normally.

 

[geordiecolin]

I've never been one for starting any trouble but I hadn't even finished my starter and my glass was full!

 

[geordiecolin]

Oxford University have suspended trials of children using the Astrazeneca vaccine. Who would put their children forward to take the vaccine in a trial and where are these trials taking place?

 

[Gaz237]

Oxford University have suspended trials of children using the Astrazeneca vaccine. Who would put their children forward to take the vaccine in a trial and where are these trials taking place?

Link?

Or hearsay?.

 

[colinsunderland]

Link?

Or hearsay?.

It's on the BBC site and numerous other ones.

 

[geordiecolin]

Link?

Or hearsay?.

I am not sure why you questioned it like so?
Are you too lazy to simply do a basic search that needs zero digging?

 

[colinsunderland]

Oxford University have suspended trials of children using the Astrazeneca vaccine. Who would put their children forward to take the vaccine in a trial and where are these trials taking place?

I do wonder if the larger profit making vaccine companies have something to do with all these stories coming out about the AZ one or if there are actually problems with it.