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Yes, you are completely right. I am done with fighting over this subject as you can see in the post above
No, you've still one more round to go with the quacks - don't give up now.
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No, you've still one more round to go with the quacks - don't give up now.
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Dexamethasone has been proven in clinical trials to reduce the morbidity of Covid-19 patients, something that HCQ was never proven to do, but it isnt a true therapeutic for Covid-19.
There is still no known cure for it, there is no proven medicine that will prevent it and we still see thousands upon thousands contracting it every day, and the worldwide death toll is rising.
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You have to make a judgement regarding the science, [the politicians and govt that is] to balance off various factors and other harms. Science will tell you that if we halve the speed limits we could reduce deaths from motor accidents immediately, but we don't, a balance is struck.
It has not been struck regarding this virus, to do that there needs to be a proper debate as that open letter states. The science is also in question regarding the tests, that is nothing to do with anti-vaxxers or conspiracy theories.
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Yes, you are completely right. I am done with fighting over this subject as you can see in the post above
I've never said I am completely right, I'd take 20%!
I've posted the opinions from medical doctors, it's just for people to debate if they wish to.
Unfortunately this lockdown issue/virus is not going away anytime soon.
That may well be true, but of far greater immediate concern is my pizza delivery
As evidenced here, he (or she) has opted to renege on following the fairly straight route, and have backed up on themselves, like some demented loon.
Could they be eating my pizza?
As evidenced here, he (or she) has opted to renege on following the fairly straight route, and have backed up on themselves, like some demented loon.
Could they be eating my pizza?
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On balance I'm going to go with people such as Isabella Eckerle, as opposed to what is basically a form on the internet that invites random non-verified self-stated chemists in Belgium to fill it in.
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I've just shopped the Brighton Goalkeeper for making a 700 mile round trip to Newcastle for no good reasonYeah its the same round here.
Granddaughter was at a Birthday Party down the street today, bouncy castle, about 8 kids. Bear in mind most are at school together 5 days a week, some sad twat phoned the police on them
Who the fuck rings the police on a few kids playing on a bouncy castle, aged between 4 and 7 ffs. Were about 5 adults there, all social distancing, which was obvious from the way they were all sitting on chairs 2m+ apart.
Police turned up, said someone in the street had complained that social distancing wasn't being adhered to, and that more than 2 households were together. He said everything was fine the way it was. What a waste of their time.
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No, no Chop not james o'brien, please, such an obnoxious oaf with no manners, and all round shill for the governing class, shame he wasn't particularly notable in the old days of private eye.
So instead of debating the points in that letter [HCQ aside] it's easier to dismiss the signatories as randoms.
Given your labour affliations I cannot understand how you are underplaying the other side of the balance sheet, the untreated illnesses, redundancies and worse.
You're actually pro-matt hancock and other assorted tory minions; whereas sweden's approach, the land of the liberal, interests you not one jot ?
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You a contact number? Decent growth costs fortunes.One of the "doctors" who was involved in that open letter has been convicted for illegally selling growth hormones to "clients" as a non-aging cure
Anyway, I welcome different opinions. From non-quacks if possible.
Edit: to add, he also holds lectures on Facebook how masks don't help etc.
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Sorry for the long quote below, was surprised the article wasn't paywalled so copied much of it while I could:
19 sept 2020
Prof Carl Heneghan University of Oxford and director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine [ I would love to hear him discuss tests with mr James o'b ]
How many Covid diagnoses are false positives?
Test, test, test
To unravel the confusion, let’s think about what happens when the virus level is low – which it is in Britain at the moment. The latest ONS
And let’s imagine again that, in this scenario, 10,000 random people go for a Covid-19 test. With the infection level at 0.1 per cent, just ten people will have Sars-CoV-2 and 9,990 will not. Of the ten who turn up with an infection, 80 per cent will test positive, meaning eight people will be correctly identified while two walk away with a false negative.
And of the 9,990 not infected, all but ten will be correctly diagnosed as negative: hence the success rate of 99.9 per cent (the specificity). But ten will be told they have Covid-19, when in fact they don’t. That leaves us with 18 positive tests: eight from people who genuinely had the virus and ten who did not. So only eight out of 18 (44 per cent) of the infections are real. That’s where the chance of accurately detecting the disease being less than 50 per cent comes from.
Problems with test accuracy are likely to be more of an issue globally. The current US Centers for Disease Control test kits can
At very low prevalence, the proportion of people with infection falls and the numbers of falsely misdiagnosed increases. If Covid-19 completely disappears, then of our 10,000, no one will be infected. If you have followed the reasoning so far, you will have worked out this means that ten people would still be wrongly diagnosed as positive and the official data would show a national Covid-19 prevalence of 0.1 per cent. This is why understanding the accuracy of tests in the population that they are applied to matters: going off current testing practices and results, Covid-19 might never be shown to disappear.
Professor Carl Heneghan is director of Oxford’s Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine.
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So when you balance the above information to the imminent govt lockdown actions, based on test results, there are questions to be answered by the uk govt [and WHO etc]. They seem to be frightened of having to answer any questions.
The rate of hospitalizations, and the general severity of symptoms would seem to be a better basis for making these big decisions on restrictions [a pub having to shut at 10pm, doesn't seem to me the end of the world, but children being allowed into school and families meeting, shops remaining open etc..]
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19 sept 2020
Prof Carl Heneghan University of Oxford and director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine [ I would love to hear him discuss tests with mr James o'b ]
How many Covid diagnoses are false positives?
Test, test, test
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the WHO. And globally, that’s what everyone did: tests have detected more than 14 million cases of Sars-CoV-2 so far. The thinking goes: turn up, have your test, and if positive, you must have the disease. But that’s far from the truth. When virus levels in the population are very low, the chances of a test accurately detecting Covid-19 could be even less than 50 per cent – for reasons that are not widely understood.To unravel the confusion, let’s think about what happens when the virus level is low – which it is in Britain at the moment. The latest ONS
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is that about 0.04 per cent, or one in 2,300 people, had the virus at any point between 6 and 12 July. But for ease of calculation, let’s imagine the real infection level is higher: that 1 in 1,000 of us have the virus. Or 0.1 per cent.And let’s imagine again that, in this scenario, 10,000 random people go for a Covid-19 test. With the infection level at 0.1 per cent, just ten people will have Sars-CoV-2 and 9,990 will not. Of the ten who turn up with an infection, 80 per cent will test positive, meaning eight people will be correctly identified while two walk away with a false negative.
And of the 9,990 not infected, all but ten will be correctly diagnosed as negative: hence the success rate of 99.9 per cent (the specificity). But ten will be told they have Covid-19, when in fact they don’t. That leaves us with 18 positive tests: eight from people who genuinely had the virus and ten who did not. So only eight out of 18 (44 per cent) of the infections are real. That’s where the chance of accurately detecting the disease being less than 50 per cent comes from.
Problems with test accuracy are likely to be more of an issue globally. The current US Centers for Disease Control test kits can
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up to 30 per cent false positives even in their best laboratories. Highly accurate tests can prove costly – more than £100 per test. So, we shouldn’t be surprised that in poorer countries, highly questionable cheaper alternative tests, which cost less than £3, have been distributed and
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. A recent BMJ
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reported that the specificity of PCR tests could be as low as 95 per cent, as PCR test performance can be much worse in low prevalence community settings. This would mean that, in our hypothetical of 10,000 tests, we’d have 500 false positives amongst the eight genuine positives. So the hundreds of false-positive Covid-19 results would dwarf the genuine results – meaning an apparent surge in infections that is not followed by a corresponding surge in hospital admissions or deaths. At very low prevalence, the proportion of people with infection falls and the numbers of falsely misdiagnosed increases. If Covid-19 completely disappears, then of our 10,000, no one will be infected. If you have followed the reasoning so far, you will have worked out this means that ten people would still be wrongly diagnosed as positive and the official data would show a national Covid-19 prevalence of 0.1 per cent. This is why understanding the accuracy of tests in the population that they are applied to matters: going off current testing practices and results, Covid-19 might never be shown to disappear.
Professor Carl Heneghan is director of Oxford’s Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine.
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So when you balance the above information to the imminent govt lockdown actions, based on test results, there are questions to be answered by the uk govt [and WHO etc]. They seem to be frightened of having to answer any questions.
The rate of hospitalizations, and the general severity of symptoms would seem to be a better basis for making these big decisions on restrictions [a pub having to shut at 10pm, doesn't seem to me the end of the world, but children being allowed into school and families meeting, shops remaining open etc..]
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From the protest where 30 people where arrested which was filmed by Anna Brees who left working from the main stream media because of the lack of ability to be an investigative journalist by big corporations.
I know she has not got a history that is bullet proof but it at least gives another side of the argument
I know she has not got a history that is bullet proof but it at least gives another side of the argument
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I’ve seen lots of footage of the protests, just like I did at the Dover protests regarding the migrant issue.
yes some language was used but it was the police kettling them in, it was the police pushing and shoving...
Oddly we didn’t see this when the BLM nonsense protest, now I’m pro police but the behaviour from them regarding the above mentioned protests is abhorrent..
we can’t expect MSM to tell the truth as the BBC backlash proves, But some coverage would of been nice, just like the Birmingham stabbing by the immigrant, can’t broadcast that as it’s racist...
when it becomes a agenda rather than news and certain aspects are ignored it gets pretty wrong.
yes some language was used but it was the police kettling them in, it was the police pushing and shoving...
Oddly we didn’t see this when the BLM nonsense protest, now I’m pro police but the behaviour from them regarding the above mentioned protests is abhorrent..
we can’t expect MSM to tell the truth as the BBC backlash proves, But some coverage would of been nice, just like the Birmingham stabbing by the immigrant, can’t broadcast that as it’s racist...
when it becomes a agenda rather than news and certain aspects are ignored it gets pretty wrong.
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I would like to see some debate on msm where folk could be allowed to listen to the sides of all realistic arguments rather than them all getting de-platformed and removed from anything that most people are able to easily access
Earlier there was a tweet from the 'NHS', which was pulled down faster than you can say 'hoax'
Cryptic in nature but likely fake, it gave a checklist of what to prep in case of evac!
So make of that what you will. But me thinks someone's trying to rile people up as everyone's kind of one edge as it is. Fake News!
Cryptic in nature but likely fake, it gave a checklist of what to prep in case of evac!
So make of that what you will. But me thinks someone's trying to rile people up as everyone's kind of one edge as it is. Fake News!
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Thing is the karen’s and silly sods may take this as gospel..
just like the daft twats stockpiling and lining up outside supermarkets when this piffle started.
yes people died of Covid, people die of cancer also, strokes and suicide..
Not being Blaise about this, but in the U.K. it’s really not that dangerous, those over 70 whom feel at risk then stay home and drink tea.
us whom need money to work and pay for kids we had willingly then let us go out and provide for them, I want nothing from the government, day by day my willingness to comply with this BS gets less..
sorry but in the U.K. Covid is about as dangerous as a great white attack, utter nonsense.
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evacuation! where're we meant to go
I hope the uk govt hasn't been secretly constructing FEMA camps in wales 
Interesting though if it's the nhs own twitter account, could be the govt trying to create another toilet roll and tin food rush, then when bojo appears with the news next friday 'oh well a 2 week lockdown, it's not too bad, lucky we stocked up' etc..
I was remembering the other day, how before the start of the march lockdown, there were all those rumours of the army being called out to patrol the streets, so when it didn't happen it made the lockdown seem less foreboding, and less panic inducing.
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Oof Brother, you need a better pan. I recommend one made of iron. Your steak looks good on the inside but you really need a better crust on the outside. The beans look great though.
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Really great look for not a single government minister to bother to turn up for a critical press conference.
I suppose we should know better than to expect Johnson to put in an appearance, but to leave it all to the advisors with no support from the government side at all, and to not take any questions, is really shit.
I suppose we should know better than to expect Johnson to put in an appearance, but to leave it all to the advisors with no support from the government side at all, and to not take any questions, is really shit.
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I am just going to think that it is just a pre-prepared message among many pre prepared messages that are concocted to be sent out covering any eventuality and it was accidentally tweeted out. Or someone sent it out just before they where escorted out of the building by security
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We can keep posting different articles from different papers, still outcome is that none of these people is 100% sure for many things around COVID, it takes bit longer research and time to follow it. Most of these virologist just start to agree that this is not that bad what worse case scenario was made in March/April.
Can also post one random guy opinion here, based on people in hospitals and even getting infected in place where virus has been spreading quite free (worse places at the moment seem to be places which had most strict lockdowns and people only saw virus from TV).
Not buying any of these stories posted here to be right one, there are thousands of opinions, all based on very limited knowledge as there simply haven't been time to for much research. Just happy that this country seem not to start lock downs after evert two months and then get numbers back up like it seem to happen almost everywhere where done. Well working vaccine is still just something in dreams for future which can happen or not.
Can also post one random guy opinion here, based on people in hospitals and even getting infected in place where virus has been spreading quite free (worse places at the moment seem to be places which had most strict lockdowns and people only saw virus from TV).
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Not buying any of these stories posted here to be right one, there are thousands of opinions, all based on very limited knowledge as there simply haven't been time to for much research. Just happy that this country seem not to start lock downs after evert two months and then get numbers back up like it seem to happen almost everywhere where done. Well working vaccine is still just something in dreams for future which can happen or not.
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Surprisingly enough @ChopleyIOM I have agreed with virtually everything that you have posted over the last few weeks on this thread, but I disagree slightly on this one.
For me the visuals that this gives, that its pure science, nothing political and in no way party influenced is far greater than if BoJo and co had been there.
BoJo has made a meal of this, though I dont think anyone had much hope of coming through this smelling of roses and he was always on to a loser, but on this one I think he is right to get the science front and centre and take away from the past political f@@k ups that have been happening throughout the pandemic.
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They are still making their way back from grouse shooting in Yorkshire where over 120 toffs have spent their weekend together. Lock down rules and max 6 does not apply to them
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The thing is @cncas2123 I don't think that's the reason he wasn't there. Because the truth is this is all political now, and whilst it is right to be led by the science and for policy to be guided by the science, the decisions that are taken are taken by the government, the advisors advise, politicians decide.
A strong, confident leader who was on top of his brief would have been there to support his advisors and make the case to the British people why it was so important for them to listen, especially when we're staring down the barrel of another national lockdown with all the accompanying devastation that brings. (Economic, mental health, keeping families and friends apart, isolating the vulnerable, putting domestic abuse victims at increased risk etc.)
Johnson wasn't there because he doesn't want to be there, and because everyone knows he's terrible at being a leader, and because he has the moral authority of a dog with the shits caught short on a croquet lawn, and because his gameshow host shtick doesn't wash in such serious times, and because he blew apart his government's authority to tell anyone what to do when he ordered everyone to stand behind Dominic 'Eye Test' Cummings, despite the obvious and visible damage it was doing to societal cohesion in the face of the pandemic.
Nicola Sturgeon stands up every single day and gives a press conference, she supports her advisors and she takes questions, she explains what they're doing and why they're doing it, and makes the moral case for people to follow what she is telling them to do. That's a leader who understands that leaders need to be seen, and heard, and to keep in contact with the population they represent.
Johnson has none of that, he knows it, and his party knows it. His performances at PMQs are shambolic, and his performance at the Parliamentary Select Committee last week was embarrassing, no wonder they're keeping him out of sight.
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Yep, I have it on good authority it was more to do with flooding possibilities as we approach winter. Nothing to do with COVID.
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Dunno what different countries keep limits to "Action needed" (start to hate that phrase), but just to repeat myself, it just seem to happen that lockdown help that limited time when people are locked down and don't have any contact to outside world. Some of these best succeed lockdown places on springtime, are now quite fcked compare to others who did worse in spring, i think.
Malta as small island was really easy to restrict, close airport and you have no new people here and island been almost empty (which have been nice for many from individual point of view as no all places crowded like normally but quite horrible for many who make their living), but didn't solve the problem for long:
Other country which one of most strict restrictions in Europe (hard to compare every single country but Czeck Republic was at least in many news used as an example about how to control COVID) getting quite huge spike in their numbers lately as well.
There still is zero signs this going away itself. This has made itself huge hit in whole world which unfortunately start to look somewhere that everything else in world can happen and it's normal that peole pass away but every COVID positive death is a catastrophe and need to be avoided at any cost (other deaths are ok, as long COVID not included), some "news" sources seem to keep this kind of competition between countries which also sounds weird, assuming that every single country would like to get rid of this asap and not looking to win "COVID World Cup".
Wouldn't bring it to politician either, this kind of pandemic should united population instead of anything else, it's an equal danger for all political views and in many countries government and opposition have been having much less argues than normally as against this everybody probably share a common goal, get rid of it, just no idea how... so maybe have to admit it's gonna be our guest from now on and live with that.
Malta as small island was really easy to restrict, close airport and you have no new people here and island been almost empty (which have been nice for many from individual point of view as no all places crowded like normally but quite horrible for many who make their living), but didn't solve the problem for long:
Other country which one of most strict restrictions in Europe (hard to compare every single country but Czeck Republic was at least in many news used as an example about how to control COVID) getting quite huge spike in their numbers lately as well.
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There still is zero signs this going away itself. This has made itself huge hit in whole world which unfortunately start to look somewhere that everything else in world can happen and it's normal that peole pass away but every COVID positive death is a catastrophe and need to be avoided at any cost (other deaths are ok, as long COVID not included), some "news" sources seem to keep this kind of competition between countries which also sounds weird, assuming that every single country would like to get rid of this asap and not looking to win "COVID World Cup".
Wouldn't bring it to politician either, this kind of pandemic should united population instead of anything else, it's an equal danger for all political views and in many countries government and opposition have been having much less argues than normally as against this everybody probably share a common goal, get rid of it, just no idea how... so maybe have to admit it's gonna be our guest from now on and live with that.
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Masks for ever
Hope not. I made the mistake of going to the shop, at school lunch hour, and being flanked by about 40 reprobates from the local secondary. One of the them, in a semi coherent voice, went 'Oi Pal, you look stupid with that on' (for the record, i think i wear it quite sexily). Giving the middle finger was instinct but quickly regretted when, because the queue was so long, i was subject to verbal abuse (good job i'm used to it) and when, upon leaving, telling the 5 other mates outside 'that prick did...'
Next time i will nod in agreement.
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You'd be hard pressed here to find that; the teens would all have to be in masks as well or tossed
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I think you might be a bit generous on that one..... it looks like they are hunting for their first one.
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Wearing a mask is literally the same as taping a sponge on your car's front bumper to protect you in a collision.
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It doesn't take away the comical effect of people crying about their freedoms and liberties like nitwits. It's not about the masks, it could be about anything really. The same brainiacs would act the same way.
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This article is one of the best I've read so far [the writer is an nhs GP too]:
"And in two weeks’ time, or whenever we disconnect the ‘circuit breaker’, the coronavirus will surge back. This time, we will be facing its effects during the flu season, when many more people will be compromised by flu and even less able to fight Covid-19.
The optimum time for dealing with this novel coronavirus has already passed. Since there is little feasible chance of a safe and effective vaccine any time soon, we should have been striving for mass immunity among the healthy population.
If the majority of people who are unlikely to suffer much ill effect could catch the infection, and get over it safely, they would be much less likely to transmit it to the vulnerable during the winter.
This strategy goes by the ugly name of herd immunity, an unfeeling name for the most compassionate policy.
I am certainly not belittling the severity of Covid-19. It is more contagious than common flu and it attacks the body in more varied ways. This is a scary disease. But we cannot fight it with fear."
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"And in two weeks’ time, or whenever we disconnect the ‘circuit breaker’, the coronavirus will surge back. This time, we will be facing its effects during the flu season, when many more people will be compromised by flu and even less able to fight Covid-19.
The optimum time for dealing with this novel coronavirus has already passed. Since there is little feasible chance of a safe and effective vaccine any time soon, we should have been striving for mass immunity among the healthy population.
If the majority of people who are unlikely to suffer much ill effect could catch the infection, and get over it safely, they would be much less likely to transmit it to the vulnerable during the winter.
This strategy goes by the ugly name of herd immunity, an unfeeling name for the most compassionate policy.
I am certainly not belittling the severity of Covid-19. It is more contagious than common flu and it attacks the body in more varied ways. This is a scary disease. But we cannot fight it with fear."
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Have no problems with wearing masks, even it hear to feel bit stupid to put your mask on when going to toilet in pub and come in with mask and wait to be seated and table service only. When in your table you are free to be without mask and shout for tv when watching sport... Maybe scient have found that virus spreads much more when standing up instead of sitting, in chapter "Good to know".
Some of these restrictions in different places are bit funny and mixed and even might give you feeling that they have nothing to do with science but somebody just figured out how panicking people feel comfortable enough to enter shops to by food (there you get fine if you don't wear one or actually you don't get in to shop or bus) and others who feel that wearing mask is taking away their right of humanity, still can cope.
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Amen.
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Biggest load of bollocks I have read today!
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That is genuinely dangerous nonsense, and it flat out doesn't work for Covid-19.
There are two ways to achieve herd immunity, and those are (1) A vaccine is developed and enough people are vaccinated to effectively wipe out the disease (a measles style scenario) (2) Sufficient people get infected and remain immune to the disease to make transmission between people very rare.
Obviously (1) is off the table until we have a vaccine - but that's definitely the best hope.
The problem with (2) is that:
(a) It's increasingly looking like being infected with Covid-19 and surviving doesn't even confer immunity for any significant period of time. i.e. People who'd had it and recovered, could still catch it again and spread it again.
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(b) Even if it did, there's the sheer number of people who'd need to be infected for it work, the best estimates for Covid-19 put it at about 70% of people would need to be infected and survive, are we really advocating a policy that would require TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE in the UK to catch Covid-19? Even with a mortality rate of around 1%, that's an awful lot of dead people, and that's before we start to factor in the approx 8-10% of people who go on to suffer long term negative health effects. (Long-Covid, which can affect people of all age groups.)
The NHS would collapse, literally collapse, under the weight of Covid-19 victims, plus you'd have to add on all the additional people that would die because they couldn't be treated for their illnesses either.
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'If the majority of people who are unlikely to suffer much ill effect could catch the infection, and get over it safely, they would be much less likely to transmit it to the vulnerable during the winter.
This strategy goes by the ugly name of herd immunity, an unfeeling name for the most compassionate policy.'
Really ??? looks like herd immunity has more or less worked in sweden, or do you know otherwise?
can you back up these statements of yours regarding immunity, and in section b) of your post?
[Any links or quotes ?]
The article was about the 'circuit breaker' lockdown idea, which is where we are now, any opinion on this?
or her point " And in two weeks’ time, or whenever we disconnect the ‘circuit breaker’, the coronavirus will surge back. This time, we will be facing its effects during the flu season, when many more people will be compromised by flu and even less able to fight Covid-19."?
This strategy goes by the ugly name of herd immunity, an unfeeling name for the most compassionate policy.'
Really ??? looks like herd immunity has more or less worked in sweden, or do you know otherwise?
can you back up these statements of yours regarding immunity, and in section b) of your post?
[Any links or quotes ?]
The article was about the 'circuit breaker' lockdown idea, which is where we are now, any opinion on this?
or her point " And in two weeks’ time, or whenever we disconnect the ‘circuit breaker’, the coronavirus will surge back. This time, we will be facing its effects during the flu season, when many more people will be compromised by flu and even less able to fight Covid-19."?
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Eh? Sweden absolutely hasn't gone for herd immunity, they've tried to suppress the virus using different means to us (i.e. they've never imposed a lockdown), but what they absolutely haven't done is sanctioned or pursued a policy of herd immunity.
Some reading here on herd immunity, what it is and how it's achieved -
It's super important to understand Sweden are trying to control and contain the virus in all sorts of ways, absolutely not, 'Ahhh fuck it, let it just do whatever it wants'.
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It's super important to understand Sweden are trying to control and contain the virus in all sorts of ways, absolutely not, 'Ahhh fuck it, let it just do whatever it wants'.
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This is actually one of the headlines in the Times today, but paywalled:
Sweden beating coronavirus with herd immunity, expert claims
"Evidence is mounting that Sweden has beaten the coronavirus epidemic with herd immunity rather than lockdowns, according to a renowned expert on the spread of disease.
Sweden’s infection rate has remained low and stable at a time when other European countries are facing a strong resurgence.
In Britain there are 69 cases per 100,000 people compared to just 28 for every 100,000 in
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which did not implement stringent lockdown measures this spring.The infection rate in France is almost seven times higher than in Sweden and the virus is ten times more prevalent in Spain, both countries that implemented strict lockdowns.
Kim Sneppen, professor of biocomplexity at the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, an expert in the spread of the virus, has concluded that....
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The term 'herd immunity' and sweden is all over the internet, the concept seems a total surprise to you?
We know they still followed social distancing and handwashing etc..., the whole point is they didn't impose a lockdown other than a few minor things, and their case rate and deaths are better than the uk and elsewhere with stricter lockdowns?
The mayoclinic article you linked doesn't mention T-cells?
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Sweden got it right, like I predicted back on the day of our 1st lockdown on this very thread.
We fecked up, and it comes at the cost of millions of jobs, and 500,000 lives doomed through the NHS not treating cancers, heart conditions etc
We fecked up, and it comes at the cost of millions of jobs, and 500,000 lives doomed through the NHS not treating cancers, heart conditions etc
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