Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[Borgie]

A mask is good if you are sick but if you are sick you should not be out anyway. You should be indoors.

Gloves are a nightmare as the minute you have touched something they could be infected it's actually better to sanitise your hands after touching something or you would need 85 pairs of gloves

 

[Playford7]

Another 3 weeks of this mundane madness...
I’m getting sick of it now and sick of all this nhs praise whilst others like postal workers, certain rig workers, telecoms engineers, shop workers etc are ignored.
yes it’s not pleasant but I feel this is too far, especially schools remaining closed this long.
never mind the damage done to the economy thatus working folk will be paying for again for the next 20 years.
And don’t get me started on celebrities and these silly songs.
I was contacted from work today actually to ask me to make myself available, with the oil price wasn’t expecting it tbh, but will jump at the chance to end this boredom.
the novelty has now warn off.

 

[slotplayer]

They're about to honor the truckers at the White House now actually.

 

[Playford7]

They're about to honor the truckers at the White House now actually.

Yeah seen that on YouTube. Rightly so.

 

[Playford7]

The main man praising the forgotten.
also totally agree with his stance against the WHO, look into the guy in charge.
Also there in bed with China stance has made this pandemic a million times worse.
( Harry please refrain ) lol

 

[paul7388]

Another 3 weeks of this mundane madness...
I’m getting sick of it now and sick of all this nhs praise whilst others like postal workers, certain rig workers, telecoms engineers, shop workers etc are ignored.
yes it’s not pleasant but I feel this is too far, especially schools remaining closed this long.
never mind the damage done to the economy thatus working folk will be paying for again for the next 20 years.
And don’t get me started on celebrities and these silly songs.
I was contacted from work today actually to ask me to make myself available, with the oil price wasn’t expecting it tbh, but will jump at the chance to end this boredom.
the novelty has now warn off.

They want a lockdown fine have a proper one. But at moment it is a sham.

Buses still got plenty people going shopping , work etc.. People still in and out shops for things like a can of coke me included.

So many people still working a lot in jobs that i would not class as necessary including my own.

Still able to phone takeaways and order crap from argos that you collect from sainsburys.

Many other things. They want lockdown to stop it spreading it should have been a complete lockdown. Way it is just now still loads of people out and about meeting others.

Talk of it lasting a year till things get completely back to normal.

A lot of people are getting fed u with it and are balancing the good it is doing against the bad. Much longer and the damage will be worse than the virus ever was.

And from speaking to people i think the feeling is that they are willing to maybe give it the next 3 weeks but if it gets extended again they are going to go fuck it and start going out meeting friends etc. again.

Especially a lot of the younger ones in teens and early 20s. A lot have stayed in but are now getting to stage where they are soon going to start going seeing pals again. My own boy of 18 has done well and is still staying at home. But pals are starting to meet in houses again for a few hours a day. Don't think it will be long before he gives up and does the same.

 

[slotplayer]

The main man praising the forgotten.
also totally agree with his stance against the WHO, look into the guy in charge.
Also there in bed with China stance has made this pandemic a million times worse.
( Harry please refrain ) lol

They only showed 5 or 10 minutes of it live. I was at the corner store at 3am last night and looked across the street at the market and saw an 18 wheeler leaving, must of just dropped off a shipment. TBh, I've grown to appreciate the truckers the past few years.

I also agree with the who stance. I looked up that funding maybe a week or more ago.

 

[shadow123]

Do you really think that the virus could care less about what we think of the lockdown,its
only mission is to infect and reproduce as much as possible.It really doesnt care that kids are
getting bored and people in general are fed up,we have to do whatever is needed to eradicate
it for ourselves and the future of our countries and if that means more weeks or even months
of lockdown, hard shit.Its crap but we have to live with it.My only critisism is that as someone
said in the UK , its not a real lockdown,reluctantly went shopping today, hardly a glove or mask in
sight,felt a bit of a prat wearing both but stuff it.Spain has had a hard lockdown for 6 weeks
strictly enforced and they are not complaining and bet they eradicate the virus months before the UK.

 

[paul7388]

Do you really think that the virus could care less about what we think of the lockdown,its
only mission is to infect and reproduce as much as possible.It really doesnt care that kids are
getting bored and people in general are fed up,we have to do whatever is needed to eradicate
it for ourselves and the future of our countries and if that means more weeks or even months
of lockdown, hard shit.Its crap but we have to live with it.My only critisism is that as someone
said in the UK , its not a real lockdown,reluctantly went shopping today, hardly a glove or mask in
sight,felt a bit of a prat wearing both but stuff it.Spain has had a hard lockdown for 6 weeks
strictly enforced and they are not complaining and bet they eradicate the virus months before the UK.

They have already said it won't be going away.

And sorry but long term effects of this virus will be far worse than the virus if the country stays locked down too long.

But i will give it another few weeks and i think you will see that a lot of people will start going out whatever they are told. After all the idea of the lockdown was not to prevent dying. It was to slow the spread and make sure the NHS coped and did not get hit all in one go.

The NHS has proven to have coped. They have built all these extra hospitals that are not getting used. The original hospitals still have thousands upon thousands of beds and many ICU beds still available.

So as it is a virus that is not going to go away there is no justification in keeping a full lockdown after another 3 weeks.

Unless people think we should stay in lockdown all year. Ain't going to happen. The country needs to get moving again. Better to get it moving again bit by bit legally than people just going f u and going out regardless.

There are a lot of seriously ill people that cannot even get treated and diagnosed for other illnesses at the moment.

 

[goatwack]

So what's another three weeks, and realistically another three after that if it means a 'proper' return to normality.

In all likeliness we won't see a return to 'the good old days' for at least another couple of months, but what does it matter, really.

Yes it sucks, yes people feel like they're grounded and yes, it's frustrating seeing the swathes of ignorant plebs completely ignore any governmental advice. But let's face it, people complain about not being able to see the beauty of outside, the majesty of birds singing etc when most were socially-distant, phone-hogging apathetic drones that couldn't say 4 words to each other.

And speaking of which, our 'lockdown' is hardly akin to 1973 Soviet Union is it, people have just about every amenity known to man and next to no reason to complain. Had this happened 30 years ago I'm sure it'd be rather different, and no doubt we'd be climbing the walls

 

[Borgie]

Do you really think that the virus could care less about what we think of the lockdown,its
only mission is to infect and reproduce as much as possible.It really doesnt care that kids are
getting bored and people in general are fed up,we have to do whatever is needed to eradicate
it for ourselves and the future of our countries and if that means more weeks or even months
of lockdown, hard shit.Its crap but we have to live with it.My only critisism is that as someone
said in the UK , its not a real lockdown,reluctantly went shopping today, hardly a glove or mask in
sight,felt a bit of a prat wearing both but stuff it.Spain has had a hard lockdown for 6 weeks
strictly enforced and they are not complaining and bet they eradicate the virus months before the UK.

I agree if a lockdown is in place it should be enforced and Spain enforced it as did wuhan and Italy. We are just playing at it here.
So if its necessary then fine but make it happen.

 

[Playford7]

Do you really think that the virus could care less about what we think of the lockdown,its
only mission is to infect and reproduce as much as possible.It really doesnt care that kids are
getting bored and people in general are fed up,we have to do whatever is needed to eradicate
it for ourselves and the future of our countries and if that means more weeks or even months
of lockdown, hard shit.Its crap but we have to live with it.My only critisism is that as someone
said in the UK , its not a real lockdown,reluctantly went shopping today, hardly a glove or mask in
sight,felt a bit of a prat wearing both but stuff it.Spain has had a hard lockdown for 6 weeks
strictly enforced and they are not complaining and bet they eradicate the virus months before the UK.

Masks and gloves are pointless to the public really. It’s only those in daily contact with the affected when they become necessary.
im not a huge fan of my liberties been taken away so easily I also Believe it’s overkill the measures put in place.
that said I’ve adhered to what was advised where sensibly possible.
I won’t also be told what’s ‘essential’ nobody can really dictate that to anybody.
yes it’s serious, but it’s not the plague.
I also want my daughter at school to learn, I want to be at work to earn.
we have a 3 week extension that is monitored daily, that said I do believe weekly certain restrictions will start to be lifted.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Agree its a sham of a lockdown and has been handled badly from the start.

Went shopping again with my kids today. I have to take them as on my own and we were the only ones wearing masks again. A couple of likely lads kept looking and smiling which i get, its a natural reaction for some but if everyone did what they were supposed to the impact wold be greater and more effective and the repair to the economy and return to normality would be sooner.

I wonder if its something to do with the homemade masks that makes everyone keep laughing......

All joking aside, the government could have handled it better and could still do more but a lot of people are not helping.

Edit: Just read your post Playford as i posted mine, we will agree to differ there mate

 

[Playford7]

I agree if a lockdown is in place it should be enforced and Spain enforced it as did wuhan and Italy. We are just playing at it here.
So if its necessary then fine but make it happen.

That’s a good point. In Middlesbrough we have the highest rate of fines in the country in one area of the town.
that’s TS1 postcode, that’s where the labour government forced upon us the influx of mass immigration.
the mayor had to issue a warning in 17 yes 17 languages to folks from that postcode to adhere to what is being enforced.
We have gangs of Muslims and Roma for example literally flouting the rules, it’s the same in London and other cities.
no wonder ‘ethnic minorities’ are more at risk.
By all means my local paper is the gazette live teeside should you doubt what I’ve Said.
Certain cultures and religions seem to have a free pass on what they have been told.
This isn’t just me, it’s factual.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

They want a lockdown fine have a proper one. But at moment it is a sham.

Agree completely with everything you have said.

It should have been a total lockdown for a 4-6 weeks. That way we would have been able to get cases down to a level where we'd be able to trace and contain again.

All this 'lockdown' has done is prolong the misery and cripple the economy. Chances are we'll need another lockdown in a few months time too.

 

[Playford7]

Agree completely with everything you have said.

It should have been a total lockdown for a 4-6 weeks. That way we would have been able to get cases down to a level where we'd be able to trace and contain again.

All this 'lockdown' has done is prolong the misery and cripple the economy. Chances are we'll need another lockdown in a few months time too.

All or nothing agree.
I’m a staunch conservative but they acted far to late. Bearing in mind the who suppressed info for a long time didn’t help matters.
This was unprecedented, no matter whom was in charge it was guaranteed to be a cluster fuck.
the political point scoring from labour in particular there dumb dumb health minister for example is the reason they are unelectable and will be for many years to come.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Also good luck doing your shopping...

I'm in retail and this is beginning to spread like wildfire amongst front line staff. There was one case around here where the individual was working serving customers in the morning and in hospital with COVID that same night.

They were working through it thinking it was hayfever

 

[mina1929]

Australia is looking pretty good but the prime minister Scott Morrison has announced yesterday that the country's strict social distancing will remain at least another four weeks.

He is doing the right thing as we don't want to get back to square one

 

[Davey86]

I live just outside of Newcastle bordering the beautiful countryside and the amount of people of people that is using my street as a throughfare to get to said countryside has shot up like 1million% I’m exaggerating a little by half mil % but social distancing is not happening anymore Easter weekend was like a really hot summer bank holiday I understand the gravity of the situation but some (a fair few) are making the government/authorities prolong this grave situation I have a neighbour unfortunately for him weighs about 30 stone has bought his first bike and started to exercise 40 years to late hardly ever left the house now exercises at every opportunity to sell whatever he’s sells lol

 

[Playford7]

I live just outside of Newcastle bordering the beautiful countryside and the amount of people of people that is using my street as a throughfare to get to said countryside has shot up like 1million% I’m exaggerating a little by half mil % but social distancing is not happening anymore Easter weekend was like a really hot summer bank holiday I understand the gravity of the situation but some (a fair few) are making the government/authorities prolong this grave situation I have a neighbour unfortunately for him weighs about 30 stone has bought his first bike and started to exercise 40 years to late hardly ever left the house now exercises at every opportunity to sell whatever he’s sells lol

Ahh another northerner.
Thought you spoke sense lol

 

[Slottery]

Quite big part of people gonna get this anyway, it luckily seems that it's not strong than worse case scenarios were done (which you of course have to think what could be worse can happen). Think main thing in most of countries is to make sure there is enough places in hospitals and intensive care for these who need them.

We see high number of people getting it every day but no country have health care system which would cope if suddenly 25% of population would need hospital care so these lockdowns just help it not to spread like crazy to all at once.

Not really following any daily figures if somewhere one day look better than other and next again worse, just trying to avoid any unnecessary contacts with people, wasing my hands xxxxx times a day and make sure i keep social distance not to harm anyone else if i happen to be one of these many who have this without any symptons, tested negative two weeks ago don't probably take off chance to get it later.

Hope we get back to something bit more normal at one day

 

[Mouche12]

As to Trump's withholding funding to the WHO, let's not forget that he didn’t take this opportunity to apologize to the American people for rejecting WHO's offer of proven, effective test kits months ago, preferring to reinvent the wheel — a reinvention that didn’t work by the way.

And what better timing to withhold funds - in the middle of the world's worst pandemic in a century?

 

[Playford7]

As to Trump's withholding funding to the WHO, let's not forget that he didn’t take this opportunity to apologize to the American people for rejecting WHO's offer of proven, effective test kits months ago, preferring to reinvent the wheel — a reinvention that didn’t work by the way.

And what better timing to withhold funds - in the middle of the world's worst pandemic in a century?

It’s a fine and strong move. The who are more corrupt and self serving than the EU, and on current viewing with the infighting and way they treated Italy I hope they collapse.

 

[shadow123]

My problem is that I must not catch this virus, if was just me I would take my chance but it would kill
others without a doubt and I cant afford to risk that, whatever they do about extending or relaxing the lockdown
wont affect me as I will be self isolating until the vaccine becomes available,going to be a long hard time.

 

[Davey86]

their is many questions to be answered their will also be a lot of genuine facts withheld from the public unfortunately trade/money/government relations blah blah will need to be upheld even in the worst money will talk

 

[bamberfishcake]

even in the worst money will talk

So true.

And dont they love our acceptance of that fact?

I must bring you back to some wise word once spoken.......



The UK has lost its backbone i am sorry to say hence why we are walked over in times such as these.

 

[Playford7]

So true.

And dont they love our acceptance of that fact?

I must bring you back to some wise word once spoken.......



The UK has lost its backbone i am sorry to say hence why we are walked over in times such as these.

That gentleman whom raised all he did for the nhs is a dying breed of the bulldog spirit.
my grandfather served in ww2, he liberated prisoners from places I won’t even give a mention on here.
Nowadays we have entitled snowflakes wanting to shut you down as they disagree, the freedom for liberty and the right to have your beliefs and stand by them is albeit dying.
The uk indeed is losing its backbone, hurty words or opposite opinions are classed as important.
family values and common decency shamefully seem to have taken a back seat in modern England.

 

[bamberfishcake]

That gentleman whom raised all he did for the nhs is a dying breed of the bulldog spirit.
my grandfather served in ww2, he liberated prisoners from places I won’t even give a mention on here.
Nowadays we have entitled snowflakes wanting to shut you down as they disagree, the freedom for liberty and the right to have your beliefs and stand by them is albeit dying.
The uk indeed is losing its backbone, hurty words or opposite opinions are classed as important.
family values and common decency shamefully seem to have taken a back seat in modern England.

Couldnt agree more on that.

The shutting down is all part of divide and conquer with a little brain wash thrown in IMO.

One of the proudest moments i think of recent years were the petrol strikes. We made them back down....for a little while

 

[Mr_Slot5]

So true.



The UK has lost its backbone i am sorry to say hence why we are walked over in times such as these.

That's what happens when a collective society breaks down into a more individualistic one.

We have been conditioned more and more to become individualistic and self serving over the decades. It comes hand in hand with neo-liberalism.

Nationalism is more associated with the collective spirit but that is frowned upon by many liberal lefties these days.

 

[geordiecolin]

The full list of Kill Gates crimes where posted a while ago and I was shocked that it was dismissed out of hand. They are facts that can be found if you choose to look into it. It is as if the deaths and illnesses and ruined lives of so many do not matter because they are from counties far removed from your world and as long as his experiments saves your lives. I suspect it will not

 

[slotplayer]

As to Trump's withholding funding to the WHO, let's not forget that he didn’t take this opportunity to apologize to the American people for rejecting WHO's offer of proven, effective test kits months ago, preferring to reinvent the wheel — a reinvention that didn’t work by the way.

And what better timing to withhold funds - in the middle of the world's worst pandemic in a century?

I heard many things but did find this. Maybe clears up any MSM misinformation.

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[Playford7]

That's what happens when a collective society breaks down into a more individualistic one.

We have been conditioned more and more to become individualistic and self serving over the decades. It comes hand in hand with neo-liberalism.

Nationalism is more associated with the collective spirit but that is frowned upon by many liberal lefties these days.

Nationalism isn’t racist nor is it in any guise bigotry, just like brexit or questioning Islam.
Certain values and cultures are better than others.
I was indeed branded as a racist for calling covid-19 Racist by pointing out it was the Chinese whom started this mess.
Does that mean i spark out every Chinese man i see or blame him... no what nonsense.
Pointing out facts nowadays that don’t align with a certain agenda or viewpoint is now racist, infact the word has lost all true meaning.
to me that’s Sad AF.

 

[Davey86]

Nationalism isn’t racist nor is it in any guise bigotry, just like brexit or questioning Islam.
Certain values and cultures are better than others.
I was indeed branded as a racist for calling covid-19 Racist by pointing out it was the Chinese whom started this mess.
Does that mean i spark out every Chinese man i see or blame him... no what nonsense.
Pointing out facts nowadays that don’t align with a certain agenda or viewpoint is now racist, infact the word has lost all true meaning.
to me that’s Sad AF.

Unfortunately in society many will be silenced nowadays for having an opinion or for stating facts or revealing the truth establishments media governments dictatorship make sure of that (fact)

 

[geordiecolin]

Unfortunately in society many will be silenced nowadays for having an opinion or for stating facts or revealing the truth establishments media governments dictatorship make sure of that (fact)

When we have google,youtube,facebook,wiki and all of the other usual places where folk go for their info then most people who seek info will only get what is allowed to be accessed by most of the population.
But most of the population dismiss any site that allows real journalism to be published. But do not trust some alternative sites too.
Q for instance

 

[Playford7]

Alright all.
Enough of this pandemic.
I’ve actually a late night meal I’m looking forward to as had some personal input.
I’ve a balance at Jonny jackpot at the moment so after bust all will be revealed.

 

[sufferinsilence]

The issue with the WHO is that it's very much politicised: most of its funding comes from the USA and China.

When Taiwan sent the WHO research that human to human transmission was happening the WHO chose to ignore this at the time because they don't recognize Taiwan and China was still saying there was no human to human transmission happening.

China was obviously hiding things, they might still be. I think every member of the WHO should be more critical of how this was initially handled. I know it's not a popular opinion on here but masks might have saved lives. You don't have to believe me, just have a look on Youtube and have a look how countries like South Korea are handling this.

And not only that, we should've been far more agressive in acquiring tests during the "lost" month of February. I'm not sure what the whole world was thinking but if we were preparing during that month we could've saved thousands of lives and our economy would've suffered less of a hit.

 

[Playford7]

The issue with the WHO is that it's very much politicised: most of its funding comes from the USA and China.

When Taiwan sent the WHO research that human to human transmission was happening the WHO chose to ignore this at the time because they don't recognize Taiwan and China was still saying there was no human to human transmission happening.

China was obviously hiding things, they might still be. I think every member of the WHO should be more critical of how this was initially handled. I know it's not a popular opinion on here but masks might have saved lives. You don't have to believe me, just have a look on Youtube and have a look how countries like South Korea are handling this.

And not only that, we should've been far more agressive in acquiring tests during the "lost" month of February. I'm not sure what the whole world was thinking but if we were preparing during that month we could've saved thousands of lives and our economy would've suffered less of a hit.

Look into the top man from the who. He’s less credentials than me... a bad ass scaffolder.

 

[snorky510238]

I actually think the situation worldwide is going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better. I will be amazed if in two weeks time we are looking at less than 1 million new cases each week. Just my opinion.

 

[Playford7]

Anyhow enough of the Chinese virus.
Mexican rice, first attempt and impressed.
Boiled rice then fried with (onions) yes onions lord of darkness and hell. Some peppers and seasoning and garlic.
the chicken was m and s shop bought buttermilk coated.
the breads are my own Parmesan, herb and garlic.
made from a shop bought loaf.
with homemade garlic and lemon and mayo drizzle.
and lots of hot sauce.
to drink a icy coke with a bit of the old Lemon because I’m a gangster.
keep smiling guys and stay safe.
ben

 

[Harry_BKK]

The main man praising the forgotten.
also totally agree with his stance against the WHO, look into the guy in charge.
Also there in bed with China stance has made this pandemic a million times worse.
( Harry please refrain ) lol

I will not refrain.

FYI, a top US CDC official sits on the WHO board. Inform yourself first before repeating the nonsense your idol is spouting to deflect from his failures.

 

[Harry_BKK]

The issue with the WHO is that it's very much politicised: most of its funding comes from the USA and China.

When Taiwan sent the WHO research that human to human transmission was happening the WHO chose to ignore this at the time because they don't recognize Taiwan and China was still saying there was no human to human transmission happening.

China was obviously hiding things, they might still be. I think every member of the WHO should be more critical of how this was initially handled. I know it's not a popular opinion on here but masks might have saved lives. You don't have to believe me, just have a look on Youtube and have a look how countries like South Korea are handling this.

And not only that, we should've been far more agressive in acquiring tests during the "lost" month of February. I'm not sure what the whole world was thinking but if we were preparing during that month we could've saved thousands of lives and our economy would've suffered less of a hit.

Not defending the WHO, China or anyone else.

Between Taiwan reporting to the WHO that human-to-human transmission is potentially happening and China+WHO confirming issuing the first warning were 6 days.

(EDIT: corrected mistake in the timeline)

You can read on the WHO website what the procedures are to declare any of the things which come along in a global health emergency/ global pandemic. They have been developed over decades by all nations who are part of the WHO with updates being made after each incident to improve the response.

Every year, you have hundreds of clusters of pneumonia, strange illnesses, etc., none of them reach the level of a global health emergency, let alone pandemic level. Confirmation of any part of a disease is vital to get the best possible response, publishing half-baked details will not help and cause more confusion.

And, repeating myself, a top US CDC official assigned by Mr T is on the WHO board. Why did he/she not sound the alarm or publish anything that would point to the mistakes/cover-up etc the WHO is being accused of? As usual, they are acting or interim assignments as he's not capable of filling important positions in his administration. Here's the current WHO board:

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BTW, the US is funding only about 10% of the WHO yearly budget of $5 billion. The contribution rates have been agreed between the members and are updated on a regular basis.

Here's a timeline of the WHO actions:

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Is there room for improvement? I am pretty sure there is. Was China always clear with information? Most probably not but all nations had on 22nd Jan the confirmation that human-to-human transmission is happening.

China went into lockdown, a few other Asian nations too. Most of Europe and the US wasted another month and more before doing something proper. Mr T was telling the story of a miracle that will see it go away.

 

[Harry_BKK]

It’s a fine and strong move. The who are more corrupt and self serving than the EU, and on current viewing with the infighting and way they treated Italy I hope they collapse.

Please post your expertise and proof of the following:

- WHO is more corrupt and self-serving than the EU
- The way the EU treated Italy

Have you any knowledge whatsoever what the EU is doing? E.g. did you make the effort to read what has been done so far? It is all public knowledge and verifiable:

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Again Ben, time to grow up and stop posting unproven and baseless insults. You keep throwing statements around that lack any kind of truth whatsoever.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Not defending the WHO, China or anyone else.

Between Taiwan reporting to the WHO that human-to-human transmission is potentially happening and China+WHO confirming it were 6 days.

You can read on the WHO website what the procedures are to declare any of the things which come along in a global health emergency/ global pandemic. They have been developed over decades by all nations who are part of the WHO with updates being made after each incident to improve the response.

Every year, you have hundreds of clusters of pneumonia, strange illnesses, etc., none of them reach the level of a global health emergency, let alone pandemic level. Confirmation of any part of a disease is vital to get the best possible response, publishing half-baked details will not help and cause more confusion.

And, repeating myself, a top US CDC official assigned by Mr T is on the WHO board. Why did he not sound the alarm or published anything that would point to the mistakes/cover-up etc the WHO is being accused of? As usual, they are acting or interim assignments as he's not capable of filling important positions in his administration. Here's the current WHO board:

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BTW, the US is funding only about 10% of the WHO yearly budget of $5 billion. The contribution rates have been agreed between the members and are updated on a regular basis.

Here's a timeline of the WHO actions:

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Is there room for improvement? I am pretty sure there is. Was China always clear with information? Most probably not but all nations had on 22nd Jan the confirmation that human-to-human transmission is happening.

China went into lockdown, a few other Asian nations too. Most of Europe and the US wasted another month and more before doing something proper. Mr T was telling the story of a miracle that will see it go away.

Glad we agree valuable time was lost in February. Those 6 days probably would not have made a difference because our approach was so lax.

My point however stands that the Taiwanese input was ignored and that shouldn't happen in an organisation that is called the WORLD Health Organisation. Health is more important than politics even tho some seem to disagree.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Glad we agree valuable time was lost in February. Those 6 days probably would not have made a difference because our approach was so lax.

My point however stands that the Taiwanese input was ignored and that shouldn't happen in an organisation that is called the WORLD Health Organisation. Health is more important than politics even tho some seem to disagree.

The Taiwan thing has only come to prominence last week when Mr T started looking for a scapegoat to blame. Please do not fall for his bluster, he is lying as usual to save his skin.

Taiwan published the email they sent to the WHO, see below.

Here's is some more what the Taiwan officials stated:

So, no, Taiwan did not warn the WHO that there is human-to-human transmission. They had a hunch, but no proof or confirmation.

Following that, here's the WHO statement from the 5th Jan:

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Sorry, I said 6 days but that is only partially correct. The first full statement from the WHO (above link) was after 6 days saying: "Based on the preliminary information from the Chinese investigation team, no evidence of significant human-to-human transmission and no health care worker infections have been reported."

It was then another 9 days until the first clear warning was issued:

Can anyone point out to me where the mistakes/cover-up of the WHO happened? We are talking 3 weeks from the first report to confirmation of human-to-human transmission. Anyone understanding science and how diseases are detected/confirmed will tell you that that is really fast.

Whether the Chinese knew anything earlier in December, well, we probably will never know. But going by the official timeline and the verifiable published records, I cannot see where the WHO has done so badly wrong or covered up for China as Mr T and his sychophants as well as some CM members here in this thread imply.

 

[mack341]

From the telegraph:

"Remember when the World Health Organisation made Robert Mugabe its goodwill ambassador? I think about that a lot. We all make mistakes, but the decision to honour the butcher of Zimbabwe was so epically misjudged that there seemed to be only two possible explanations: either the WHO is fantastically corrupt or it is run by people who have lost their minds. Neither is a comforting thought when the organisation is charged with protecting the health of everybody on the planet. "

From the national review.com website 2017:

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However, like other U.N. subsidiaries, WHO is plagued by persistent wasteful spending, utter disregard for transparency, pervasive incompetence, and failure to adhere to even basic democratic standards.

Prior to Tedros’s election, the Associated Press

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on WHO’s already infamously lavish spending on first-class airfare and five-star hotels.

The AP obtained documents showing that WHO “routinely has spent about $200 million a year on travel expenses, more than what it doles out to fight some of the biggest problems in public health, including AIDS, tuberculosis and malaria combined."

Moreover, the $803 million WHO has paid for travel since 2013 doesn’t include costs often covered by host countries seeking to curry favor, which are off WHO’s books.

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[ sounds very much like the EU, a perpetual gravy train for it's bureaucrats/technocrats ] The money would be better spent on the ground.

 

[ternur]

So what's another three weeks, and realistically another three after that if it means a 'proper' return to normality.

In all likeliness we won't see a return to 'the good old days' for at least another couple of months, but what does it matter, really.

Yes it sucks, yes people feel like they're grounded and yes, it's frustrating seeing the swathes of ignorant plebs completely ignore any governmental advice. But let's face it, people complain about not being able to see the beauty of outside, the majesty of birds singing etc when most were socially-distant, phone-hogging apathetic drones that couldn't say 4 words to each other.

And speaking of which, our 'lockdown' is hardly akin to 1973 Soviet Union is it, people have just about every amenity known to man and next to no reason to complain. Had this happened 30 years ago I'm sure it'd be rather different, and no doubt we'd be climbing the walls

Well said Goatwack.

Tells something about people, when they are complaining about a so-called lockdown. Things could be much much worse.

If staying home helps to buy time for scientists to develop a vaccine or come up with effective drugs for symptoms, we really should STAY THE FUCK HOME.

Don't get me wrong. I get it that some people deal with this better than others. And some are really concerned about their financial situation. But if you're not living in the streets and are not hungry, you're better off than millions of people in the world.

My wife has been staying inside for over 2 months. I only go out to buy food and other essentials once a week (max twice if something is really needed and can't wait). If this helps, we should all be doing this. Not because we are ordered to do so, but because it's something that decent human beings do.

Is this getting to our nerves? Not really --- It's much about how you approach the situation and adapt to it. But seriously people? What's 3 weeks? Even 3 months in the bigger picture?

#STAYHOME
#STAYMETAL

 

[ternur]

Nationalism isn’t racist nor is it in any guise bigotry, just like brexit or questioning Islam.
Certain values and cultures are better than others.
I was indeed branded as a racist for calling covid-19 Racist by pointing out it was the Chinese whom started this mess.
Does that mean i spark out every Chinese man i see or blame him... no what nonsense.
Pointing out facts nowadays that don’t align with a certain agenda or viewpoint is now racist, infact the word has lost all true meaning.
to me that’s Sad AF.

I'm sorry Ben, but that's a real brain fart. Total bullshit.

Better values and cultures? That's how wars start. That's what's fucking wrong in this world. You can certainly have a diffent view on everything, but does it make your views better? No. It just makes them different.

These kinds of comments make me really sad. Really sad.

 

[Harry_BKK]

From the telegraph:

"Remember when the World Health Organisation made Robert Mugabe its goodwill ambassador? I think about that a lot. We all make mistakes, but the decision to honour the butcher of Zimbabwe was so epically misjudged that there seemed to be only two possible explanations: either the WHO is fantastically corrupt or it is run by people who have lost their minds. Neither is a comforting thought when the organisation is charged with protecting the health of everybody on the planet. "

From the national review.com website 2017:

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However, like other U.N. subsidiaries, WHO is plagued by persistent wasteful spending, utter disregard for transparency, pervasive incompetence, and failure to adhere to even basic democratic standards.

Prior to Tedros’s election, the Associated Press

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on WHO’s already infamously lavish spending on first-class airfare and five-star hotels.

The AP obtained documents showing that WHO “routinely has spent about $200 million a year on travel expenses, more than what it doles out to fight some of the biggest problems in public health, including AIDS, tuberculosis and malaria combined."

Moreover, the $803 million WHO has paid for travel since 2013 doesn’t include costs often covered by host countries seeking to curry favor, which are off WHO’s books.

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[ sounds very much like the EU, a perpetual gravy train for it's bureaucrats/technocrats ] The money would be better spent on the ground.

Geez mack, why are you not reading from proper sources?

The appointment of Mugabe was recalled one day after the announcement. There were reasons to name him as the WHO hoped to get better access in Zimbabwe. Mugabe liked titles and as "goodwill ambassador" he would not have had any decision authority at the WHO.

The WHO employs appr. 7,000 people in 150 countries. Put the $200 million travel expenses in that perspective.

You can also read the governance applied at the WHO, which is agreed on by all members including your country. Maybe a peek into their financial reports will help you as well:

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[mack341]

Geez mack, why are you not reading from proper sources?

The appointment of Mugabe was recalled one day after the announcement. There were reasons to name him as the WHO hoped to get better access in Zimbabwe. Mugabe liked titles and as "goodwill ambassador" he would not have had any decision authority at the WHO.

The WHO employs appr. 7,000 people in 150 countries. Put the $200 million travel expenses in that perspective.

You can also read the governance applied at the WHO, which is agreed on by all members including your country. Maybe a peek into their financial reports will help you as well:

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5 star hotels? according to the guardian [a proper liberal enough source ] Mugabe's appointment was reversed because of outrage among donors and rights' groups

“Over the last few days, I have reflected on my appointment of His Excellency President Robert Mugabe as WHO goodwill ambassador for NCDs in Africa. As a result I have decided to rescind the appointment,” Tedros said .

huh? everything dodgy about Mugabe was well known by the time of this appointment.

tellingly:

"Mugabe was head of the African Union (AU) when the bloc endorsed Tedros - a former health and foreign minister of Ethiopia - over other African candidates for the top post, without any real regional contest or debate, they said."

In announcing the appointment, Tedros had praised Zimbabwe as “a country that places universal health coverage and health promotion at the centre of its policies to provide health care to all”.

The controversy came as WHO struggles to recover its reputation tarnished by its slowness in tackling the Ebola epidemic that killed more than 11,000 people in West Africa from 2014-2015 under Tedros’ predecessor Margaret Chan.

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No, I don't wish to study their financial reports and memoranda of governance, though it would be interesting to see a list of achievements to date and total budget for the history of it's existence. Salaries of the various positions etc...

I dare say there is need for an effective organisation that tries to help the 2nd and 3rd world countries attain a decent standard of health, but it reminds me of the dodgy people oxfam sent to Haiti and other places, and UN peacekeepers have a bad record too, abusing local children.

Edit: from that AP article regarding WHO waste

"Other international aid agencies, including Doctors Without Borders, explicitly forbid their staff from traveling in business class. Even the charity’s president must fly in economy class, a spokeswoman said. With a staff of about 37,000 aid workers versus WHO’s 7,000 staffers, Doctors Without Borders spends about $43 million on travel a year."

 

[Harry_BKK]

5 star hotels? according to the guardian [a proper liberal enough source ] Mugabe's appointment was reversed because of outrage among donors and rights' groups

“Over the last few days, I have reflected on my appointment of His Excellency President Robert Mugabe as WHO goodwill ambassador for NCDs in Africa. As a result I have decided to rescind the appointment,” Tedros said .

huh? everything dodgy about Mugabe was well known by the time of this appointment.

tellingly:

"Mugabe was head of the African Union (AU) when the bloc endorsed Tedros - a former health and foreign minister of Ethiopia - over other African candidates for the top post, without any real regional contest or debate, they said."

In announcing the appointment, Tedros had praised Zimbabwe as “a country that places universal health coverage and health promotion at the centre of its policies to provide health care to all”.

The controversy came as WHO struggles to recover its reputation tarnished by its slowness in tackling the Ebola epidemic that killed more than 11,000 people in West Africa from 2014-2015 under Tedros’ predecessor Margaret Chan.

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No, I don't wish to study their financial reports and memoranda of governance, though it would be interesting to see a list of achievements to date and total budget for the history of it's existence. Salaries of the various positions etc...

I dare say there is need for an effective organisation that tries to help the 2nd and 3rd world countries attain a decent standard of health, but it reminds me of the dodgy people oxfam sent to Haiti and other places, and UN peacekeepers have a bad record too, abusing local children.

Edit: from that AP article regarding WHO waste

"Other international aid agencies, including Doctors Without Borders, explicitly forbid their staff from traveling in business class. Even the charity’s president must fly in economy class, a spokeswoman said. With a staff of about 37,000 aid workers versus WHO’s 7,000 staffers, Doctors Without Borders spends about $43 million on travel a year."

The appointment of Mugabe was political and had its reasons. They listened and recalled it. Reading about Mugabe and researching more details from around that time would help maybe.

Good to see that you don't want to see the list of achievements but complain about their travel cost.

You do know that Doctors Without Borders people stay on assignment for months and even years, whereas WHO does not have that kind of missions, hence, less travel for DWB. Comparing apples with oranges and all that. Do some research mack. A single source should never be sufficient to make up your mind.

The WHO budget is approved by its members. Hence, if they allow business class travel then that's how it is. I used to have sometimes 150-200K in travel expenses in a year, and not all was business class travel or 5-star hotels.