club world group, tight as tight can be

[CURTSONLYLOVE10]

have not been able to hit anything at clubworld...it is the only casino i deposit at since i can no longer play mg....i cant even double my deposit there...it sucks right now...but i will keep on trying hoping for better results...

GOOD LUCK ALL

 

[DarkMage]

It is funny how all the Casinos that have Governmental regulations do not use RTG software. Microgaming ,Playtech or proprietary is their choice. You would be hard pressed to find a LICENSED(by a RESPECTED REGULATOR) UK casino running on RTG software.

Now why would that be? Is is it because the other software platforms offer a better package or is it for some other reason and this is where doubt is established.

And as much as the people who jump down everyone's throats who complain about a down swing the ONLY fact we know about RTG is that everything is hidden. The few leaked screen shots from the backend that have been posted around didn't tell us much and RTG sure won't tell us anything(NOT THAT I blame them)

Once the USA enacts regulation RTG will either disappear(which would be INCREDIBLY telling) or the gaming regulatory commission will clear RTG beyond a doubt in regards to fairness, UNTIL then we have nothing but whisps of air on both sides the naysayers and the ever hopeful believers

I have completely sworn off RTG over the years, I personally do not believe they are fair so I no longer player at RTG. I use sportsbooks until the government does another raid and destroys that industry.

 

[Nifty29]

It is funny how all the Casinos that have Governmental regulations do not use RTG software. Microgaming ,Playtech or proprietary is their choice. You would be hard pressed to find a UK casino running on RTG software.

Now why would that be? Is is it because the other software platforms offer a better package or is it for some other reason and this is where doubt is established.

And as much as the people who jump down everyone's throats who complain about a down swing the ONLY fact we know about RTG is that everything is hidden. The few leaked screen shots from the backend that have been posted around didn't tell us much and RTG sure won't tell us anything(NOT THAT I blame them)

Once the USA enacts regulation RTG will either disappear(which would be INCREDIBLY telling) or the gaming regulatory commission will clear RTG beyond a doubt in regards to fairness, UNTIL then we have nothing but whisps of air on both sides the naysayers and the ever hopeful believers

I have completely sworn off RTG over the years, I personally do not believe they are fair so I no longer player at RTG. I use sportsbooks until the government does another raid and destroys that industry.

How can you say the RTG is less "open" about their operations? Or somehow less honest?

Where are the MGS or Playtech backend screenshots? You seem to think this is important.

RTG have allowed some dodgy operators to use their software.....so have Playtech and even MGS in some cases. No difference there I'm afraid.

Can you show me any public statements from MGS or PT explaining the inner workings of their product? Good luck with that. Yet again, no difference.

The fact of the matter is that members are reporting losses at all of them, as well as wins. Amazing, considering they are casinos eh?

You don't like RTG, which is cool, but you should at least be accurate.

 

[DarkMage]

Here's the big difference.

Playtech, Microgaming are publicly traded companies regulated by Government authorities, I don't NEED to see backend screenshots or anything at all to believe they are fair, I honestly believe they are as fair as can be.

*on further checking Microgaming is not publicly traded but is trusted by many major brands who are and would not risk exposure of rigged software.

RTG has none of that

Pretty simple.

 

[Nifty29]

Here's the big difference.

Playtech, Microgaming are publicly traded companies regulated by Government authorities, I don't NEED to see backend screenshots or anything at all to believe they are fair, I honestly believe they are as fair as can be.

RTG has none of that.

Pretty simple.

My understanding is that they are only regulated in a financial sense as they are listed on the exchange. It's a different thing to having the actual software itself regulated.

AFAIK there is NO government oversight or auditing of the games themselves. If there was, the situation with players being stiffed out of progressive jackpots and having winnings confiscated etc could be dealt with by government agencies, and we all know they cannot.

In that respect, they are no different to RTG. You are just as "safe" playing there than anywhere else, as long as you choose a good operator (which is where the real problem lies)

 

[taysh075]

OK, all I want to know is if the casinos pay you out if they like you, who do I have to suck up to.

 

[AudiManinBoro]

To be honest I have no idea if online casinos cheat or not, there is no way to prove it one way or another but in all honesty I would be a fool to completely sit back and think oh it NEVER goes on. People cheat in all walks of life, especially where money is concerned. Look at the cheating, fixed matches that has been caught to have gone on in football matches, boxing matches, cricket matches, rugby matches, horse riding races.

Bottom line is if big money is involved there will be cheaters and scammers, all im saying. I see no reason why the online casino industry should be ANY different.

 

[kano]

Club World Casinos

Totally agree for this casinos, played there many times in different brands LuckyRed CWC, etc. Worst payout for me never cashout, rare bonus features which pay pennies

Tried inetbet and the winpalace group are much better, longer playtime and sometimes cashouts

 

[Nifty29]

To be honest I have no idea if online casinos cheat or not, there is no way to prove it one way or another but in all honesty I would be a fool to completely sit back and think oh it NEVER goes on. People cheat in all walks of life, especially where money is concerned. Look at the cheating, fixed matches that has been caught to have gone on in football matches, boxing matches, cricket matches, rugby matches, horse riding races.

Bottom line is if big money is involved there will be cheaters and scammers, all im saying. I see no reason why the online casino industry should be ANY different.

If you think that they cheat, why do you still play? The same goes for those who thanked your post.

I would think it would be incredibly silly for someone to knowingly play a game where they are being fleeced.

It's not a jibe BTW its a legitimate question. Nobody has ever answered it properly.

 

[chuchu59]

LOL.

"All online casinos cheat"

Now where have I heard that before.

The next bet you have online is going to make you look very silly Dave.....I mean, who would knowingly play a rigged game???

"RTG knows who you are and what you play blah blah...."...oh geez my sides are splitting here......of course they have thousands of people employed to watch every player every minute of every day and throw the "win" switch when they feel like it. LOL.


Dave, with all due respect, in regards to how casinos work, you are clueless.

Dont fret over it Nifty. There will always be some players who accuse online casinos of cheating. Whether its true or not doesnt matter as their accusation makes them feel better. Most gamblers lose and what better than laying the blame on the casinos after parting with your hard-earned cash. Its a way of relieving pressure off yourself and saying'Hey it aint my fault. The games are rigged and that's why I lose. They wont be asking why they chose to gamble in the first place. Its actually good because you wont be kicking yourself so hard after a losing session. However, its best to keep it to yourself than ranting all over the place with accusations of cheating in public.

 

[AudiManinBoro]

I dont accuse them of cheating, but by the same token i would be nieve to assume it does not go on, as you would be if you assume anything otherwise. I often have a flutter on the horses and by the same token i KNOW because it has been PROVEN that the occasional horse race IS fixed. Does this mean that I should stop betting on horses purely because the occasional race is fixed? Of course not. I enjoy online gambling particularly slots and i take my chances along with everyone else who plays a form of gambling that they know cannot be proven one way or another if everything is as its supposed to be. Denying yourself something you enjoy because you have suspicions about things and because you keep an open mind to me is foolish. Nifty no offence but never once have i seen you give anything but glorious support to any negative thread about any casino or about the industry as a whole. If you have no doubts whatsoever about the industry then im sorry but i have to call you a touch on the nieve side. There are rotten eggs in EVERY basket in life, in EVERY sport and EVERY activity that involves money and if you dont believe so then thats your right, but I could cite a million examples of rigged matches, fixed bets in and across the whole platitude of sports and gambling. Casinos are no different. If theres a way to exploit and cheat it WILL happen because its human nature, unless of course you think that everyone involved in the casino trade and industry wears a golden halo around their head and the casino industry as a whole is immune to corruption.

 

[Nifty29]

I dont accuse them of cheating, but by the same token i would be nieve to assume it does not go on, as you would be if you assume anything otherwise. I often have a flutter on the horses and by the same token i KNOW because it has been PROVEN that the occasional horse race IS fixed. Does this mean that I should stop betting on horses purely because the occasional race is fixed? Of course not. I enjoy online gambling particularly slots and i take my chances along with everyone else who plays a form of gambling that they know cannot be proven one way or another if everything is as its supposed to be. Denying yourself something you enjoy because you have suspicions about things and because you keep an open mind to me is foolish. Nifty no offence but never once have i seen you give anything but glorious support to any negative thread about any casino or about the industry as a whole. If you have no doubts whatsoever about the industry then im sorry but i have to call you a touch on the nieve side. There are rotten eggs in EVERY basket in life, in EVERY sport and EVERY activity that involves money and if you dont believe so then thats your right, but I could cite a million examples of rigged matches, fixed bets in and across the whole platitude of sports and gambling. Casinos are no different. If theres a way to exploit and cheat it WILL happen because its human nature, unless of course you think that everyone involved in the casino trade and industry wears a golden halo around their head and the casino industry as a whole is immune to corruption.

The difference is with horse races and matches is that they are single events with one result. Online casinos win from house edge over time which is a different kettle of fish.

Could they cheat? Well, as you said, anything is possible. However, as I said, if one really believed this was even close to being true one would be rather foolish to play. If someone told you the next race or match was fixed, and you didn't know how, would you still place a bet? I think not.

As for your comment about always "gloriously supporting" casinos when negative comments are made, I would draw your attention to these recent threads which are a mere handful of many over the years where I have been severely criitical of certain operators. I would hope you would, as a result, retract or at least alter your statement.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/winpalace-com-regalbar-ltd.32789/

https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...bor-group-casinos-to-close-permanently.44806/

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/cherry-red-rushmore-is-any-one-getting-paid.44472/

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Well I dont want to argue with you nifty, I enjoy your posts most of the time and your right I should alter my statement as concerns individual casinos and how they operate. You do indeed have criticized certain casinos and their opertaing practises, however the opinion that you have regarding potential and possible manipulation accross casino software and platforms as a whole remains the same. You advocate that casino software is impossible to manipulate or change, yet casino software is little more than source code and programming algorithims, which as anyone knows, to a smart person or someone in the know is entirely possible to change or alter.
We all know that there is no government bodies, no regulations, no legislations which examines source code for fairness, we have to take it at its face value that what we see and what we play is legitimite, and in most cases you are probably right. Casinos like 32 red for example are probably as straight as they come, but some of the other shall we say more rogueish casinos.... well... employ the right people, pay the right money and its not beyond the impossible to have the casino programming changed. Obviously this cant be proved one way or the other but as a sensible intelligent person, i know its certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that there are casinos out there using branded software that is *modified* All I want you to admit to nifty is that this is a possibility, yet its something i have never seen you yield too. In your eyes, cheating software is impossible amongst the main stay brands and its always the player whos in the wrong when they lose. Maybe it is, maybe it isnt, but im worldly enough to acknowledge the fact that if it can be done then somewhere somehow it probably is.

 

[sandykauf]

I agree that there's alot of manipulation and things that go on "behind the scenes" in these online operations (casino, poker, etc.). Look what happened to Fult Tilt Poker after they were exploited?

I believe that RTG probably commits the most offensive violations and their actions prove it. They license to criminals, have many rogue sites, often they don't pay and one of the most telling things is that they continue to offer games to U.S. citizens despite everything that's going on and unlawful acts. Additionally, their CDS site is irrelevant and they want it that way.

I don't feel they will pull out of the market either. They are among the most greediest software providers out there. Places like Clubworld can truly take advantage of the lack of competition right now and rake in as much money as possible. Most people in U.S. have a handful of places that are known to pay their customers, but that doesn't mean they have to offer a fair game. I don't think things will improve because whatever deposits they do get, they're most likely to keep due to very low payouts which are not regulated by anyone.

 

[Nifty29]

Well I dont want to argue with you nifty, I enjoy your posts most of the time and your right I should alter my statement as concerns individual casinos and how they operate. You do indeed have criticized certain casinos and their opertaing practises, however the opinion that you have regarding potential and possible manipulation accross casino software and platforms as a whole remains the same. You advocate that casino software is impossible to manipulate or change, yet casino software is little more than source code and programming algorithims, which as anyone knows, to a smart person or someone in the know is entirely possible to change or alter.
We all know that there is no government bodies, no regulations, no legislations which examines source code for fairness, we have to take it at its face value that what we see and what we play is legitimite, and in most cases you are probably right. Casinos like 32 red for example are probably as straight as they come, but some of the other shall we say more rogueish casinos.... well... employ the right people, pay the right money and its not beyond the impossible to have the casino programming changed. Obviously this cant be proved one way or the other but as a sensible intelligent person, i know its certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that there are casinos out there using branded software that is *modified* All I want you to admit to nifty is that this is a possibility, yet its something i have never seen you yield too. In your eyes, cheating software is impossible amongst the main stay brands and its always the player whos in the wrong when they lose. Maybe it is, maybe it isnt, but im worldly enough to acknowledge the fact that if it can be done then somewhere somehow it probably is.

Thanks for the reply Audi.

I see what you're saying, but I can't ever remember saying that software manipulation isn't possible. I know enough about IT to know that any code can be altered if you have access to it......and this is where my argument takes a different tack I think.

RTG no doubt spends and has spent a lot of money on its product, and I just can't see how they would allow any licensee to tamper with it. In fact, Bodog had to purchase the source code presumably so they could do just that (and I avoid bodog BTW on that basis). So, if licensees were able to do it anyway, why would one of them hand over a considerable sum to get access that they already had? Doesn't make sense.

My own experience tells me that their software is fair. My results in the past few years in regards to withdrawals has been much better than previously, and this has to do with better discipline and money management on my part. The only real change I've seen is the increase of variance on new slots over the past few years which could create the illusion that the slots are tighter.....when in fact a visit to the winner screenshots will show monster wins, but along with that will come monster losses.

The problem I have with some players is that they always blame the casino for their losses. Well, if we want to get technical, its the player's fault for putting money at risk in a game where the house has an advantage, I think we forget this sometimes. Most times we will lose, and occasionally we will win. The difference is, you don't see someone ranting about winning too much when they're on a winning streak....

 

[anniemac]

I play RTG's, Club World mainly but Lucky Club also, and the only thing I have seen that even felt different to me is that the payouts on bonus rounds 'seem' to be smaller. Now, am I correct? Who knows. But I could have said the same thing about Rivals and MGs when I could play there. I haven't seen much difference in my winning in the last couple of years. Mainly not, but sometimes it's my own fault.

But if sucking up helps: Hey Tom, how about throwing a Random my direction?

 

[lettingyouknow]

glitches

sorry for the derail......
A weird thing happened to me today at a casino of Club World I was playing in Real play and was playing King of Swing hit the bonus round, when it finished i went back to the main screen to pick another game to play looked up to check my balance and it said FUN Balance? So I logged out and logged back in and it was back to normal. I did ask chat if they were on 2 different servers, one for Fun Mode and Real Mode, and she said yes, and that if i was playing in Fun Mode it would be impossible to make a deposit, of course it would, but that is not what I was in. She advised me to pls take screen shot next time. It has happened to me a couple of times playing actually. I really do not know how it would effect anything other than at cashout. I just prefer that when I am playing in Real Mode I do not want my balance to say FUN Balance. Another thing I though of I would not hit a Random in Fun Mode not for Real money.

 

[lettingyouknow]

glitches gone

Played again today and no more glitches, actually had a good round hit many, bonus rounds. It's A Mystery is off the hook and I don't typically play that game. It said 136 spins to the bonus round and it hit on my third spin, and gave me over $50 on a 25 cent bet.

 

[chuchu59]

Played again today and no more glitches, actually had a good round hit many, bonus rounds. It's A Mystery is off the hook and I don't typically play that game. It said 136 spins to the bonus round and it hit on my third spin, and gave me over $50 on a 25 cent bet.

$50? Does that mean you hit nothing and you were awarded this amount in the win-win feature.

 

[daveboz]

sorry for the derail......
A weird thing happened to me today at a casino of Club World I was playing in Real play and was playing King of Swing hit the bonus round, when it finished i went back to the main screen to pick another game to play looked up to check my balance and it said FUN Balance? So I logged out and logged back in and it was back to normal. I did ask chat if they were on 2 different servers, one for Fun Mode and Real Mode, and she said yes, and that if i was playing in Fun Mode it would be impossible to make a deposit, of course it would, but that is not what I was in. She advised me to pls take screen shot next time. It has happened to me a couple of times playing actually. I really do not know how it would effect anything other than at cashout. I just prefer that when I am playing in Real Mode I do not want my balance to say FUN Balance.


Another thing I though of I would not hit a Random in Fun Mode not for Real money.

Same thing happened to me this morning. Playing a bonus. I exited and logged back on. Club World administrators also will regularly disconnect you. When you log back on it is on a different server. It could be good or bad. If you are winning it is to kick you off back to the main server where the ridiculous wins don't occur.

 

[lettingyouknow]

No chu you know how it says 136 spins to go until the bonus, well I only spun 3 times and hit the bonus round betting 25cents, at the end of the bonus round it gave me it was over $50. On a 25 cents bet. I don't play that game too often and I read on here someone said they had a good run on it. I don't like those games that have the feature and 136 spins until the bonus round. I never know if it is really 136 spins to go or not. Well it took me only 3 spins to get the bonus round. I was up $170 entire play on only a $21 deposit, but I never can find the cashout button. I swear I even read KK method before I deposited, and read it again.

I am going to have to read it a third time cause i busted.

 

[lettingyouknow]

Tech question to all members

I always wanted to know what it is that is actually UPDATING everytime I log in, and why do some games take sooooo long to load.

And why is the sky Blue......just kidding.

Is it UPDATING me, my last dep, last time playing, is it just saying oh it's you again, we need to update your favorite games, and has anyone ever just logged in and played. With no UPDATE needed?

davboz, thankyou soooo much for believing me, I swear i re-read my own post and said to myself, "Are ya nuts" It read like I was some knucklehead from knuckleville that was probably in Fun Mode playing, and did not know where I was.

Like seeing a UFO, not really but come on I said no one's gonna believe me. I was in Real Play was playing for a while king of swing bonus round then after round went out to main screen looked up to check my balance it SAID FUN BALANCE. I was like where am I and what just happened and damn it no ones gonna believe me, including chat, and guess what they didn't. So I logged off and back on.

But really, really thanks for believing me.:notworthy

 

[Nifty29]

Same thing happened to me this morning. Playing a bonus. I exited and logged back on. Club World administrators also will regularly disconnect you. When you log back on it is on a different server. It could be good or bad. If you are winning it is to kick you off back to the main server where the ridiculous wins don't occur.

Oh for crying out loud.

Pass the tin foil hat!!

 

[daveboz]

I always wanted to know what it is that is actually UPDATING everytime I log in, and why do some games take sooooo long to load.

And why is the sky Blue......just kidding.

Is it UPDATING me, my last dep, last time playing, is it just saying oh it's you again, we need to update your favorite games, and has anyone ever just logged in and played. With no UPDATE needed?

davboz, thankyou soooo much for believing me, I swear i re-read my own post and said to myself, "Are ya nuts" It read like I was some knucklehead from knuckleville that was probably in Fun Mode playing, and did not know where I was.

Like seeing a UFO, not really but come on I said no one's gonna believe me. I was in Real Play was playing for a while king of swing bonus round then after round went out to main screen looked up to check my balance it SAID FUN BALANCE. I was like where am I and what just happened and damn it no ones gonna believe me, including chat, and guess what they didn't. So I logged off and back on.

But really, really thanks for believing me.:notworthy

I was playing at Lucky Red so it was obviously a CWG across the board glitch.

 

[daveboz]

Oh for crying out loud.

Pass the tin foil hat!!

you're such a tool. Think i will start ramping up the rhetoric for you and RM both. it's fun getting the knee jerk types all fired up.