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If he did that then his tenure will be viewed in a worse light and it would endorse what the pundits are claiming are the reasons for Trump getting in
If he did that then his tenure will be viewed in a worse light and it would endorse what the pundits are claiming are the reasons for Trump getting in
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your post cracked me up because I saw/said the exact same thing.
The Trump negativity in the media is getting really old imo - it seems determined to withhold from him a fair chance to prove himself, so here's a positive snippet from an investment publication. It doesn't try to speculate on the long term impact of a new administration, but it does show that the initial investor hysteria in the UK was short-lived:
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I suggested in my last column before the US election that any immediate stock market reaction to the result, whichever way it went, would be short-lived, just as the impact of the Brexit vote was. However, I could not have envisaged just how short the blink of an eye could be. The FTSE 100 index dropped 100 points as Donald Trump’s victory was confirmed just before the London opening. Within one hour that loss had been wiped out.
The lesson for small investors is not to get sucked into a panic in the first few minutes of trading. Leave that to the day traders, who thrive on this sort of reaction.
For the longer term, the election at least frees the deadlock caused by having a Democrat president and a Republican Congress. Although President Trump will probably be a lot less wild than Candidate Trump, I am sure there will be some tax cuts and some extra government spending, with the bill to be picked up later. That will help to get the economy moving despite a quarter point rise in interest rates next month.
For investors, life goes on as usual with the proviso that we could at last see bond prices start to fall and bond yields edge higher. For long term investors, there is every reason to stick with stocks. Unquote
BTW If Trump had lost and his supporters had reacted to the defeat in the same way that left-leaning celebs, politicians and media are presently doing (the petition to the Electoral College, inflammatory tweets and speeches etc) do you think the Democrats would have complained and said something like "stop whining?" So much for accepting a democratic defeat graciously and bringing Americans together again!
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I suggested in my last column before the US election that any immediate stock market reaction to the result, whichever way it went, would be short-lived, just as the impact of the Brexit vote was. However, I could not have envisaged just how short the blink of an eye could be. The FTSE 100 index dropped 100 points as Donald Trump’s victory was confirmed just before the London opening. Within one hour that loss had been wiped out.
The lesson for small investors is not to get sucked into a panic in the first few minutes of trading. Leave that to the day traders, who thrive on this sort of reaction.
For the longer term, the election at least frees the deadlock caused by having a Democrat president and a Republican Congress. Although President Trump will probably be a lot less wild than Candidate Trump, I am sure there will be some tax cuts and some extra government spending, with the bill to be picked up later. That will help to get the economy moving despite a quarter point rise in interest rates next month.
For investors, life goes on as usual with the proviso that we could at last see bond prices start to fall and bond yields edge higher. For long term investors, there is every reason to stick with stocks. Unquote
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BTW If Trump had lost and his supporters had reacted to the defeat in the same way that left-leaning celebs, politicians and media are presently doing (the petition to the Electoral College, inflammatory tweets and speeches etc) do you think the Democrats would have complained and said something like "stop whining?" So much for accepting a democratic defeat graciously and bringing Americans together again!
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Umm I'm sorry an entire racist movement was born after obama won the White House called the birther movement of which trump kicked off his political career on.
So excuse the democrats for being just a little worried when their president elect, who lost the popular vote by what will be 2 million votes by the way, spews out racist mysogionist and spreads hate while campaigning. What did you expect for the 50 million people who didn't vote for him to just lie down and accept a man openly spreads division and hate. There are racist incidents happening all over the USA as of nov 9 in the name of trump. So yeah they are not gonna be quiet. As they shouldn't be.
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They really cant get over it eh lol. Like seriously...CNN STILL bashing the guy! Accept it guys, its over. Tjousands protested Obama the same way so them trying make these protests like its out of the ordinary is laughable at best. The only thing CNN did was ruin their reputation with the world and prove they cannot sway people with their bias garbage
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Reputation? what reputation. Ok CNN is not really a real news organization they are an entertainment news organization this election proved it.
CNN was runnning trump news 24 7 like an informercial any credibility that had left was wiped away with the stupidity of election night like you said.
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Well they ruined it with me anyways. I mean, I never was a news junkie or anything but once I started following the election and saw what CNN was doing so badly, it has turned me off of them huge now.
Im pretty sure CBC is the same with the liberal bias. Just heard that from friends as Ive never really paid attention to that channel aside from watching hockey
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i tot my bfren was joking wen he told me that trump had won until i saw it on tv!!
he also told me that Vladimir Putin will Declare War If Hillary Clinton Wins which i didnt believe at 1st until i googled it:
Putin feels that a war will begin if Hillary succeeds Barack Obama as president. “I could live without teeth if there would be no war,” Putin said. “Look at Hillary, it’s clear – she is ready to storm Russia tomorrow!”
well thank F&*&% hillary clinton didnt win coz im a lover not a fighter
he also told me that Vladimir Putin will Declare War If Hillary Clinton Wins which i didnt believe at 1st until i googled it:
Putin feels that a war will begin if Hillary succeeds Barack Obama as president. “I could live without teeth if there would be no war,” Putin said. “Look at Hillary, it’s clear – she is ready to storm Russia tomorrow!”
well thank F&*&% hillary clinton didnt win coz im a lover not a fighter
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Democrat or Republican the following clip is funny as hell since is was made BEFORE the election:
It is short but the end is priceless!
It is short but the end is priceless!
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So, you guys are still believing he is going to build new USA?
His children and his son-in-law is a part of transition team-He promised his children is not going to part of it, but now he is elected, he doesn't need to keep any of his promise.
Also a few big donors to Trump campaign is joining the transition team.
You guys are talking about Clinton foundation, you give money to Trump, you will get power in Washington, what's the difference?
Yes, if you are related to Trump by blood, or if you have money to danate to Trupm, sure new USA looks nice.
As I said before, what he is going to build is not new USA, it is Trump empire in the white house.
His children and his son-in-law is a part of transition team-He promised his children is not going to part of it, but now he is elected, he doesn't need to keep any of his promise.
Also a few big donors to Trump campaign is joining the transition team.
You guys are talking about Clinton foundation, you give money to Trump, you will get power in Washington, what's the difference?
Yes, if you are related to Trump by blood, or if you have money to danate to Trupm, sure new USA looks nice.
As I said before, what he is going to build is not new USA, it is Trump empire in the white house.
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You ALWAYS get the government you deserve. So stop whingeing and move on. Why not think about the 1st. Anniversary of the Bataclan Massacre in France last year? An act of barbarity assisted by open borders and political correctness.
Funny Trump is labelled the 'fascist' but the only fascistic acts seem to be by the protestors who can't accept democracy. They are of the same ilk as the pissants here in the UK who still cannot accept Brexit and try anything to overturn the democratic vote.
In fact, it's the hard core hateful and spiteful liberal/leftist elite that have been prevalent in the US and especially Europe for so long that are causing these 'unexpected' election results. The silent majority, cowed by the media and afraid to speak out publicly for fear of being wrongly labelled 'racist' or any other 'ist', are changing things in the one safe place they have left - the ballot box.
Many Western nations are swinging to the right now as a reaction to the intolerable erosion of freedoms and destruction of their culture and national identity by ruling cliques that have permeated every level of government.
So, those criticizing Trump's election, Brexit or the rise of the Front Nationale etc. in Europe, ask yourselves what part YOU have played in it.....
Funny Trump is labelled the 'fascist' but the only fascistic acts seem to be by the protestors who can't accept democracy. They are of the same ilk as the pissants here in the UK who still cannot accept Brexit and try anything to overturn the democratic vote.
In fact, it's the hard core hateful and spiteful liberal/leftist elite that have been prevalent in the US and especially Europe for so long that are causing these 'unexpected' election results. The silent majority, cowed by the media and afraid to speak out publicly for fear of being wrongly labelled 'racist' or any other 'ist', are changing things in the one safe place they have left - the ballot box.
Many Western nations are swinging to the right now as a reaction to the intolerable erosion of freedoms and destruction of their culture and national identity by ruling cliques that have permeated every level of government.
So, those criticizing Trump's election, Brexit or the rise of the Front Nationale etc. in Europe, ask yourselves what part YOU have played in it.....
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Nobody is whingeing here. We are talking about what we are thinking, and we are allowed to say "I don't like Trump, I don't support Trump."
Isn't that a foundation of democracy?
If UK elected someone from far left as PM, and he/she opened the UK boarder, and accepted millions of refugees from Middle East, would you just shut up and accept it? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure you would voice your thought and concern.
We are not talking about what is right or what is wrong. We are talking about what we are thinking.
I think Trump is a racist, and I think he is a liar. He proves it by appointing his children and his son-in-law in transition team when he clearly promised he wouldn't do that during the campaign, he shows he is corrupted by appointing a few big donors to his campaign in transition team.
This is not whingeing. This is we are saying we don't agree with what he is doing.
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On Trump's racism: it is a fact, we all heard what he has said.
In the Netherlands, politicians can and will be brought before a court of law when the public prosecution finds that they can be charged with committing hate speech. An example is right-wing populist Geert Wilders - one of the few in this country that are strong supporters of Trump btw - who has made hateful remarks about Moroccans. He is now being tried for two incidents during a local election campaign (
As there is no exception for hate speech in the First Amendment, I must assume that Trump can say whatever he wants as long as he wants without risking prosecution... any thoughts on this?
In the Netherlands, politicians can and will be brought before a court of law when the public prosecution finds that they can be charged with committing hate speech. An example is right-wing populist Geert Wilders - one of the few in this country that are strong supporters of Trump btw - who has made hateful remarks about Moroccans. He is now being tried for two incidents during a local election campaign (
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).As there is no exception for hate speech in the First Amendment, I must assume that Trump can say whatever he wants as long as he wants without risking prosecution... any thoughts on this?
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I have to say I love this place. Only on a great forum could so many people whom will not feel the brunt of Trump's BS are here talking?All except the ones who do not show an area here are from the EU or Canada.
I live here in this country that has never been perfect but it is a great place to live OR was should I say. Trump spell's TROUBLE for all who oppose him!
He is not only a bigot but a liar and a thief that will hurt this whole country with his idea that all will be better?
I must say that beat Hillary he maybe did but the people who beat the country are the ones who believed the BS that Trump spout's daily until the vote. Let us not forget that Hillary did carry the popular vote by over one and half million vote's. She lost too the college and that beat her. She would have been maybe no better but worse than Trump NOWAY!
Maybe after he get's his agenda worked out and pay's his tax'es over $900.000.000.00 in owed tax'es.If he does anything that will help the people of america I will be amazed
We will all see very soon what he will do here. Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff
I live here in this country that has never been perfect but it is a great place to live OR was should I say. Trump spell's TROUBLE for all who oppose him!
He is not only a bigot but a liar and a thief that will hurt this whole country with his idea that all will be better?I must say that beat Hillary he maybe did but the people who beat the country are the ones who believed the BS that Trump spout's daily until the vote. Let us not forget that Hillary did carry the popular vote by over one and half million vote's. She lost too the college and that beat her. She would have been maybe no better but worse than Trump NOWAY!
Maybe after he get's his agenda worked out and pay's his tax'es over $900.000.000.00 in owed tax'es.If he does anything that will help the people of america I will be amazed
We will all see very soon what he will do here. Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff
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Democracy can be a bitch, there's no doubt about that (especially when it doesn't deliver the candidate you supported, and that's happened to most of us at some time or other) but that is no excuse for violent protest and the destruction of other peoples' property in voicing disappointment at the outcome of a fair election within the existing legal system.
Regarding the "popular vote" vs. the Electoral College, I understand the Republicans as well as the Democrats have felt the weight of that in the past, but it hasn't been changed and remains the framework for presidential elections in the USA.
And I think if we're being equitable, the election campaign saw both candidates slinging mud at each other with equal enthusiasm, gleefully and repeatedly flagged up and even encouraged by the media, which must have enjoyed boosted circulation numbers throughout an at times tasteless campaign on all fronts.
But enough is enough, and most discussions I have participated in lately have indicated that folks are weary of the election-language and emotion being dredged up and re-interpreted ad nauseum.
After all, "E pluribus Unum" could (very loosely) be interpreted as the intent of an election in addition to its use as a traditional motto espousing US unity ...."Out of many, one".
Regarding the "popular vote" vs. the Electoral College, I understand the Republicans as well as the Democrats have felt the weight of that in the past, but it hasn't been changed and remains the framework for presidential elections in the USA.
And I think if we're being equitable, the election campaign saw both candidates slinging mud at each other with equal enthusiasm, gleefully and repeatedly flagged up and even encouraged by the media, which must have enjoyed boosted circulation numbers throughout an at times tasteless campaign on all fronts.
But enough is enough, and most discussions I have participated in lately have indicated that folks are weary of the election-language and emotion being dredged up and re-interpreted ad nauseum.
After all, "E pluribus Unum" could (very loosely) be interpreted as the intent of an election in addition to its use as a traditional motto espousing US unity ...."Out of many, one".
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I do not support violent protest myself, but I absolutely support peaceful protest.
This election is a little bit different from others, because on other election when someone I don't support is elected, we just feel "unhappy" or "worried" about it, but on this election people feel "fear" and "scared".
I don't think anybody should feel "fear" because of the result of the election.
And you can't say people are paranoid.
Did you see the news about what happened in a Middle school and a High school?-Please don't blame the media. they just showed something that already well spread on internet.
Racism started showing even among children, and they think it is ok because Trupm is a president now.
I'm not saying we should drag him down from the White house. What I'm saying is we should not stop voicing our concern about the problem that President Trump might cause.
It is not our duty to follow Trump just because he won the election, it is Trump's job to earn the trust from people who doesn't support him.
I have open mind. But so far Trump didn't earn my trust yet, especially when he broke the promise he made just a few days after the election.
Whilst Trump does not appear to be the most likeable personality (and neither is Hillary Clinton in the eyes of many) - he's the president elect and will be held to account for his presidential decisions through a well-proven US system of checks and balances.
That includes a strong civil service and a Democratic Opposition on the benches of Congress, along with an ever-watchful press and judiciary (and yes, I do respect a critical press as an important institute of democracy despite the tendency toward partisan reportage at times).
So imo the hysteria and fear-mongering being whipped up in the media is very much a factor and a little OTT at present; the reportage remains mostly speculative and dubiously based on repeatedly regurgitated campaign out-takes.
Things could usefully calm down a bit, perhaps reserving the marches and lamentations for when there is established and factual cause in this new administration's governance.
That said (again in my opinion) Trump is making a serious error in raising the possibility that members of his family may play an active role in the administration; nepotism generally leaves a bad taste.
Given his clear unpopularity with many Americans I think he should be taking a balanced approach to building his administration, leaning more on the undoubted expertise and smarts within the country rather than partisan or family appointments....if that is indeed what he is doing, according to media reports.
I was hopeful after his conciliatory and more mature comments immediately following the announcement of his victory, and that is the course I would think is the best to set. But again, he has said little (another area he will need to address and perfect) so far and therefore speculation is rife.
That includes a strong civil service and a Democratic Opposition on the benches of Congress, along with an ever-watchful press and judiciary (and yes, I do respect a critical press as an important institute of democracy despite the tendency toward partisan reportage at times).
So imo the hysteria and fear-mongering being whipped up in the media is very much a factor and a little OTT at present; the reportage remains mostly speculative and dubiously based on repeatedly regurgitated campaign out-takes.
Things could usefully calm down a bit, perhaps reserving the marches and lamentations for when there is established and factual cause in this new administration's governance.
That said (again in my opinion) Trump is making a serious error in raising the possibility that members of his family may play an active role in the administration; nepotism generally leaves a bad taste.
Given his clear unpopularity with many Americans I think he should be taking a balanced approach to building his administration, leaning more on the undoubted expertise and smarts within the country rather than partisan or family appointments....if that is indeed what he is doing, according to media reports.
I was hopeful after his conciliatory and more mature comments immediately following the announcement of his victory, and that is the course I would think is the best to set. But again, he has said little (another area he will need to address and perfect) so far and therefore speculation is rife.
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I'm pretty sure his "mature" victory speech was written by somebody else.
Did you read the comment Trump wrote on Twitter regarding to protesters?
He called them "professional protesters" and his twitter indicated there is a conspiracy going on behind this protest, instead of recognizing it is people's voice. And a few hours later he tweeted again, and this time he said something about respecting this protesters. Obviously someone told Trump it is not a good thing to use the phrase "professional protesters".
You seem to be quite against the media who cause "speculation", but do you realize Trump is the one who always make conspiracy theory when things are not going his way-for example, when his TV show didn't win any awards, he speculated the judges in the award were rigged, and when it looked like Clinton was going to win the election, Trump speculated this election is going to be the rigged one without showing any evidence.
He did not grow from that childish Trump at all. If there are protesters who are against him, they are "professional protesters" hired by someone according to him without showing any evidence.
IMO, Trump is worse than the media when it comes about "speculation".
I think you may be missing my point that protesters should calm down a little until they have something more concrete than tweets and campaign utterances to get worked up about.
What will these occasionally violent demonstrations and "what if" fears achieve in practical terms (presuming everyone remains within the law) - other than more negative newspaper and TV headlines sapping the vitality and unity of the nation?
The dissatisfaction of some sections of the US community is already very apparent.
What will these occasionally violent demonstrations and "what if" fears achieve in practical terms (presuming everyone remains within the law) - other than more negative newspaper and TV headlines sapping the vitality and unity of the nation?
The dissatisfaction of some sections of the US community is already very apparent.
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The reason why people protest is not because of the tweet neither because of what the media said.
They are protesting because of what Trump said during the campaign. They don't support what he said during the campaign and they don't want USA to become in the way Trump described.
Is there anything more solid than what the candidate said during the campaign? What candidate said is the promise he made to the country about what he is going to do if he is elected, isn't it?
You keep blaming the media, do you think protesters are manipulated by the media?
You are telling me, when Trump made a fun of a disable person, is it the made up story by the media?
Is it the made up story by the media when Trump called the Mexican criminals and rapists?
Is it the made up story by the media when Trump said no people from middle east will be allowed in USA any more?
The media didn't do anything there. All they did was showing Trump when he spoke.
We were not manipulated by the media. We heard what Trump said in his voice. We don't agree neither support what he said.
One more thing I want to add is that this "tweet" is not a speculation from the media. This tweet is what Trump wrote himself, which shows what he thinks or what he is going to do when there are people who are against him.
No matter who becomes a president, no matter what kind of policy is made by the government, there are always going to be people who is against him/her or the policy. When people are speaking up against the president, what a president should do is trying to listen, and trying to make protesters understand what he is going to do is the best for the country instead of accusing them as a hired people by someone.
There is no more solid proof than the tweet the person wrote himself to show who really that person is and what he believes.
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I am really looking forward to when Farage turns up at the EU as US ambassador to the EU. They all hate Farage with a passion. I especially want to witness Juncker,Merkel and Renzi's faces when he sticks it too them
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The quote below sums up why he won.
"The press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally."
Maybe it should read "The Press and Liberals take him literally"
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All these protests (riots, in my opinion) are trying to get the electoral college to change their votes.
They have to be officially turned in on or before December 19th.
Therefore they do have time to try to influence the outcome.
But, and a BIG but is, the states where most of the protests are taking place, electoral college votes WERE Democrat. The states ended Democrat.
So, rioting and protesting in their OWN democratic cities make little sense to me.
Also, I have heard there are ads in place looking for "stop Trump" picketers and protesters.
How true this is, I do not know.
I do wonder about "sueyhs'" intense opinions on this topic. She sounds more like an American democrat than someone from New Zealand? American living abroad?
They have to be officially turned in on or before December 19th.
Therefore they do have time to try to influence the outcome.
But, and a BIG but is, the states where most of the protests are taking place, electoral college votes WERE Democrat. The states ended Democrat.
So, rioting and protesting in their OWN democratic cities make little sense to me.
Also, I have heard there are ads in place looking for "stop Trump" picketers and protesters.
How true this is, I do not know.
I do wonder about "sueyhs'" intense opinions on this topic. She sounds more like an American democrat than someone from New Zealand? American living abroad?
That trial just shows the inconsistencies of the Dutch judicial system. Other politicians (such as Rutten) have made remarks about Moroccans yet he doesn't have to explain himself in front of a Judge.
For a while now there has been an effort to silence Wilders. I hope it won't happen because we need people like him to make other politicians think about their actions (but not necessarily run the country though)
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Those protesters have received too many "participation trophies" as kids and now they can't cope with disappointment.
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Young people don't vote. In fact, had they turned out for Bernie during the Democratic primary, we'd have a President-elect Bernie Sanders. Yet, here they are, protesting Trump's election.
An imperfect metaphor is if they were out protesting a rainy day.
Imperfect because of course no amount of protest can change the weather, but performing your civic duty to vote CAN change election outcomes.
So, while I applaud those peacefully exercising their rights to congregate and speak out, I will not be taking most of them seriously.
An imperfect metaphor is if they were out protesting a rainy day.
Imperfect because of course no amount of protest can change the weather, but performing your civic duty to vote CAN change election outcomes.
So, while I applaud those peacefully exercising their rights to congregate and speak out, I will not be taking most of them seriously.
Ah, yes - the 'deplorables' who really shouldn't be allowed to upset the political power bandwagon - but there seems to be an awful lot of them
Ah, yes - the 'deplorables' who really shouldn't be allowed to upset the political power bandwagon - but there seems to be an awful lot of them
Same thing with Brexit; the 51% of votes were cast by hateful, ignorant and just plain stupid people who were put under some spell without realizing what they were doing.
And it 'obviously' applies in the U.S., yet those that shout the loudest are sore losers, not to mention socially-enlightened, intelligent and educated. So where were they during Election Day? Probably too busy checking their profile on Twitter, or just parroting what their friends said without actually getting off their privileged arses!
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Half these people are just in it for the drama I promise you that. Who flips out before anything is even done?
Hes not a racist. He hires people of all race and has some in management too. I mean hello, hes married to an immigrant.
He just says the truth. Muslims are most common to cause problems in the USA. Attack after attack proves that. Each american life lost proves that. He wants to vet them to protect the people of america. So what
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Absolutely love this comment..... mainly because it is sooooo damn true.
The kids, high school and college aged are getting "safe spaces" to deal
with their loss. Seriously?
Give me a break! PC world has run amok and it is/has taken over ... LITERALLY
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Where did you get the idea that Rutten has made hateful remarks about Moroccans
?In fact, Rutten has always been speaking in defence of Moroccan citizens - just google and you'll find plenty of evidence of this. In April of this year Rutten asserted that "refusing Moroccan boys at football clubs doesn't make any sense" (
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). This should sufficiently explain why "Rutten doesn't have to explain himself in front of a Judge".
He never committed, nor will he ever commit, hateful speech against minorities in the Netherlands.
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All of them say something that could be interpreted as racist.
Remember that what he said rather than his policies that got him in front of a Judge.
It is dangerous to silence the likes of Wilders as you're better off letting him speak his mind rather than antagonise the rest of the population that share some of his views
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All of them say something that could be interpreted as racist.
Remember that what he said rather than his policies that got him in front of a Judge.
It is dangerous to silence the likes of Wilders as you're better off letting him speak his mind rather than antagonise the rest of the population that share some of his views
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Increased racism after the election of Trump is similar to what happened here after the Brexit vote. It's a sign that all these decades of political correctness has not changed society, it has simply made people pretend they have changed their views through fear of being in serious trouble from what is, in effect, the "thought police" from Orwell's 1984. If anything, Racism seems worse than it would have been had people not had to mind what they said, wrote, and even thought, in case those determined to interpret it in a way that would allow them to apply labels such as "racist", "sexist", etc.
It seems that as soon as one type of racist or sexist behaviour slowly dies out in society due to the people who held these views as the norm dying off and being replaced by younger people who grew up with different views being regarded as the norm, the "thought police" start to find racism and sexism in new and ever more creative ways in order to justify their continued existence. This is how we ended up with this pervasive "safe space" BS, where EVERYWHERE has to be a "safe space", and the more cotton wool padding the better for the kids.
We are getting to the situation where one needs to consult a lawyer before greeting a stranger in the street in case the stranger found a way to take offence at the greeting and have you hauled before a judge. Making a farce out of the REAL issue of racism and sexism is only going to make matters worse, because when a REAL issue is uncovered, the reaction will be "Oh FFS, not again, don't these people have something better to do", as opposed to examining the issue in front of them and feeling "there is a REAL issue in this case".
It seems that as soon as one type of racist or sexist behaviour slowly dies out in society due to the people who held these views as the norm dying off and being replaced by younger people who grew up with different views being regarded as the norm, the "thought police" start to find racism and sexism in new and ever more creative ways in order to justify their continued existence. This is how we ended up with this pervasive "safe space" BS, where EVERYWHERE has to be a "safe space", and the more cotton wool padding the better for the kids.
We are getting to the situation where one needs to consult a lawyer before greeting a stranger in the street in case the stranger found a way to take offence at the greeting and have you hauled before a judge. Making a farce out of the REAL issue of racism and sexism is only going to make matters worse, because when a REAL issue is uncovered, the reaction will be "Oh FFS, not again, don't these people have something better to do", as opposed to examining the issue in front of them and feeling "there is a REAL issue in this case".
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The claims of increased racist attacks in the UK was debunked. it was based on a new system of collecting data from the public. As it was a new system it naturally took time for the public to become aware of it. Even still the increase was minimal and those who wished to benefit from the claims surprisingly did not let on about the source of these figures.
Figures and events can very easily be manipulated to advance a cause.
Figures and events can very easily be manipulated to advance a cause.
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LOL, I knew you'd come up with the F**O** remark, this was in response to an aggressive Turkish man who had (together with others) attacked Dutch journalists and their cars, please consider the context here. This definitely does not consitute any hate speech since it was directed only towards that man, not a minority and the president himself was in fact verbally attacked by that man. Other comments Rutten made 1 to 13 years ago involved social security fraud and criminality and were not directed towards minorities as a whole. Also in these three instances, there was no question of hate speech.
Do you mean by silencing that the prosecution should not be able (under Dutch law) to charge persons with committing hate speech? No one is silencing Wilders in the Netherlands but he has to account for what he has said.
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The figures had the desired effect, they made quite a few EU migrants feel unwelcome and some decided to go back in the near future. This would have given credibility to the figures. The problem now is that different government departments can't seem to agree on whether there has been an underlying increase, or it's merely the change in the way these things are reported.
It may turn out to be the same in America, with the racism attributed to the Trump victory being something that would have happened regardless. The difference might be that when reported in the media, the line "spurred by Trump's victory" will get added in.
Other than our own personal experience, all we have are the figures released by officials and the reports in the media. If you are white, you will be told that your personal experience doesn't mean much because you would naturally not have "experienced racism first hand", but this would be due to being white, not due to it not happening in your community.
They tried and failed miserably once already about an issue arguably more serious than basically asking a group of people if they wanted more or less Moroccans.
Wilders has some extreme views some of which I don't agree with. But don't try to silence a man who had opposing views to the establishment. Instead listen to him and sort the wheat from the chaff.
But let them carry on. It is not going to solve the existing problems by that group of the population that everybody appears not to want to address. As theye say don't shoot the messengers
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In the Netherlands this is about the crime rate among certain groups of the population and the police are in fact already addressing this issue. However, the ethnicity of those groups is what is being attacked by Wilders. If he was really interested in reducing the crime rate and promoting the well-being of all Dutch citizens, he would not be lumping all Dutch Moroccans together as if they were the same and making inflammatory remarks about them and other minorities - and that's what is at stake here.
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I have watched many a debate in Dutch parliament and he has always said that he does not treat all Moroccans the same. He has said that as long as you behave you're welcome to stay.
He is consistent though regarding his hatred of Islam which is nothing to do with race and all about religion.
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These fine women are offended by Trumps "private" conversation.
"safe spaces"
"Obama phones"
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The fact that you posted photos of women grabbing their own crotches makes me believe you think cuz they do it to themselves it is the equivalent if a man would do it to them like he said he does. Without their permission..
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This false social media post first appeared late last year and shows the length which some folks are prepared to go to blacken an opponent's reputation.
BTW I recently saw a TV interview on the rampant abuse of social media in which the above was used as an example of what can find its way on to the internet.
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That's funny blacken his reputation?
the fact he just made a white supremacist, anti Semitic anti gay his chief counsel should seal the deal on his reputation.
This and the fact that Russia has been talking to his people all along should be headline news. It should be dominating the news cycle the way the emails did But as always he is getting a free ride from the media. I hope it was worth the ratings.
If you live in the USA I hope you're not Jewish, black, Muslim, Latino, gay or female. He seems to have no respect for any one except white and male.
I'm done with this thread it's too disheartening to read this stuff.
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Regrets that you have apparently taken offence at a legitimate attempt to flag the truth.
Hate is clearly not the sole prerogative of Trump in this post-election period
Sorry. I did not take offence at all to you flagging the truth. I respect everyone's opinion. As you can see I removed the pic as to not inflame this any further.
I'm not gonna read anymore cuz I find it depressing. Cest tout.
