Brexit - whats the difference.....

[dunover]

NON-EU player wins biggest ever Big Time Gaming jackpot!!

Never would have happened if it wasn't for Brexit, would be a Swede or Malteser.

**or a Manxman ahem...**

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[ChopleyIOM]

With the much vaunted Brexit Benefit UK-US trade deal now officially dead in the water, Daniel Hannan doesn't miss a beat and starts waxing lyrical about how the UK could get involved with the US-Mexico/Canada deal, saying he's talked to loads of people about it who are very interested. Only problem is the other guest actually sits on the committee which discusses that very thing and he says he's never heard anything about it. When pushed Hannan concedes he 'doesn't know'.

If only there were, oohhh I dunno, some kind of Single Market type arrangement right on our doorstep, that'd be a super thing to be a member of I reckon.

 

[cncas2123]

With the much vaunted Brexit Benefit UK-US trade deal now officially dead in the water, Daniel Hannan doesn't miss a beat and starts waxing lyrical about how the UK could get involved with the US-Mexico/Canada deal, saying he's talked to loads of people about it who are very interested. Only problem is the other guest actually sits on the committee which discusses that very thing and he says he's never heard anything about it. When pushed Hannan concedes he 'doesn't know'.

If only there were, oohhh I dunno, some kind of Single Market type arrangement right on our doorstep, that'd be a super thing to be a member of I reckon.

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I think the democratic will of the people of the UK was to leave the single market on their doorstep due to the strings attached to it, so maybe a different single market mightnt have the same strings?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

That's odd, because in 2015 Daniel Hannan himself said 'absolutely no one is talking about threatening our place in the single market', and leaving the single market certainly wasn't an option on the referendum ballot.

The decision to leave the single market and customs union was only made in 2017, after the referendum, by Theresa May.

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[mack341]

If we were in the single market wouldn't that have meant adopting any new EU rules re the single market, without any say in what they were, like norway. I think to say to the british public 'right, we've done brexit, we're no longer in the EU...but we remain in the single market and customs union' would be a bit of a stretch.

This submarine business seems to have unnerved the french, the old rivalry is poking through. I think they resent us being free from the plodding, control freak eu bureaucracy. I'm not boris's biggest fan, but in terms of getting on with other leaders, using persuasion and charm, he's a bigger asset than macron or merkel. Keir starmer comes across like a tank top wearing librarian in comparison, he's devoid of charisma. Nice enough but would soon be forgotten by people worldwide.

 

[cncas2123]

That's odd, because in 2015 Daniel Hannan himself said 'absolutely no one is talking about threatening our place in the single market', and leaving the single market certainly wasn't an option on the referendum ballot.

The decision to leave the single market and customs union was only made in 2017, after the referendum, by Theresa May.

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Is it my imagination or was one of the conditions of being in the single market freedom of movement? I am sure another one was connected to the ECHC? In fact I believe there were many strings attached to remaining in the single market, and I believe that a democratic vote wanted to remove these strings? Or maybe I just imagined all this, maybe the UK could have had its sovereignty et al and still been a member of the single market without having to contribute or abide by the rules that the other 27 member states had to stick to? That sounds like a great deal to me, I am amazed that not a single leaver wanted this gold plated deal..

 

[dunover]

If we were in the single market wouldn't that have meant adopting any new EU rules re the single market, without any say in what they were, like norway. I think to say to the british public 'right, we've done brexit, we're no longer in the EU...but we remain in the single market and customs union' would be a bit of a stretch.

This submarine business seems to have unnerved the french, the old rivalry is poking through. I think they resent us being free from the plodding, control freak eu bureaucracy. I'm not boris's biggest fan, but in terms of getting on with other leaders, using persuasion and charm, he's a bigger asset than macron or merkel. Keir starmer comes across like a tank top wearing librarian in comparison, he's devoid of charisma. Nice enough but would soon be forgotten by people worldwide.

Yes, considered a virtue to get anywhere in the Labour Party.

 

[dunover]

Is it my imagination or was one of the conditions of being in the single market freedom of movement? I am sure another one was connected to the ECHC? In fact I believe there were many strings attached to remaining in the single market, and I believe that a democratic vote wanted to remove these strings? Or maybe I just imagined all this, maybe the UK could have had its sovereignty et al and still been a member of the single market without having to contribute or abide by the rules that the other 27 member states had to stick to? That sounds like a great deal to me, I am amazed that not a single leaver wanted this gold plated deal..

Yes, this is what I told @ChopleyIOM the other day when suggesting a quick fix was to be in the Customs Union viz-a-viz Norway. Alas that isn't possible without an open border for people from the EU as well as goods.

 

[geordiecolin]

I respect how Chops hangs onto every counter argument.Sometimes by a single thread. Especially when the EU itself's future is so uncertain yet sovereignty of many member states of the EU and its diktats are making the unions future so questionable in itself.
Do you really think that the EU has a future Chops? If so then why do you think it has?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

@mack341 @cncas2123 @dunover

Yes that is correct, remaining in the Single Market and Customs Union would have involved compromises that many on the Leave side would have found unacceptable, but do remember that wasn't on the referendum ballot, and I still think a more skilled politician than May could have sold a Brexit whereby the UK left the EU but remained in the Single Market and Customs Union.

I appreciate this is all largely academic now, but looking at the Brexit-related strife the UK is currently experiencing (which may well get considerably worse before it gets better, I see BP is now reporting fuel shortages at some of its petrol stations citing 'supply chain issues'), and as per my long post a few pages ago in this thread, I can't help but think this whole thing could have been done a lot better from both the Leave and Remain side.

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[ChopleyIOM]

I respect how Chops hangs onto every counter argument.Sometimes by a single thread. Especially when the EU itself's future is so uncertain yet sovereignty of many member states of the EU and its diktats are making the unions future so questionable in itself.
Do you really think that the EU has a future Chops? If so then why do you think it has?

The thing is geordie, I can't overstate how little of a fan I am of the EU in many regards, I found this post post I made on some videogame forums back in 2012 (this isn't the whole thing but an excerpt from it).

It seems to me that the banking elite is making a real play for total societal domination in Europe at the moment, what was in the past achieved with soldiers and bombs, is now achieved through crushing financial repression and 'austerity measures'. Greece is no longer a democratic nation in the true sense of the word, it'll be interesting to see if there's some sort of attempt to derail/postpone the upcoming elections, as the political parties that have signed up to what is effectively a hostile EU invasion are sure to be wiped out at the polls.

And beyond that, even in this thread I've not exactly been banging the drum for how great the EU is an organisation, my point has always been that like it or not, it's a major economic and political force in the world, and it's better to be a big 'top table player' in that organisation with some real clout, than sitting on the sidelines moaning about stuff. (Which is the status the UK has relegated itself to.)

It's like, if you're a member of a local golf club and there are elements of the club that you really like and enjoy, and you can see the benefits of, but also stuff you think is crap and want to change, what's the best way to effect that change?

Let's also assume you're a powerful member of that golf club, you're on the executive committee, you help pay towards its costs but you also reap rewards from it in other ways, and if you're pissed off about something the club does, your voice gets listened to and sometimes the entire golf club has to bend to do what you want. (Which is absolutely what the EU used to do all the bloody time for the UK.)

So in that scenario is it best to stay a member of the club and use the power and influence you have to steer the club in the direction you want it to go, or just cancel the whole lot and write the entire thing off as a bad deal? And the kicker is of course, with the latter choice, you realise you actually still want to play golf at the club and your business interests at the club are no longer considered because you're no longer a member and you gave up your spot on the committee.

The EU is deeply flawed in many ways, and yes, it's over-reached what it should be in some regards too, but the UK did at least have a seat at the top table of one of the most powerful economic and political forces in the world, what we said mattered, and even countries like Germany and France couldn't ignore what we said.

We gave it up for flags and fish, we didn't get the fish and our new blue passports are made in Poland.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

'There's going to be a shortage of British turkey this Christmas and it's entirely down to Brexit, nothing to do with Covid'

 

[mcgameboy]

Can I be middle-wing? rather than left-wing or right-wing.......I prefer to think for myself and not dedicate my life to a storm of confrontation and pigeonholing.

If you put on lots of weight, you can perhaps become a bingo-winger?

Not a great solution to your dilemma, I must admit.

I'll see myself out....

 

[pocoman]

'There's going to be a shortage of British turkey this Christmas and it's entirely down to Brexit, nothing to do with Covid'

This has been dealt with a hundred Times already Choppers - LOL WHO EVEN NEEDS TURKEYS LOL

 

[mack341]

That turkey farmer had about a 4 year transition phase to adjust, plan on the basis of worst case scenario. Is he saying it is impossible to find anyone capable in the uk who will do this work. And interesting how he said he's had this team 15 years, time wise that goes roughly back to when the EU expanded east, what did he do before then.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well we'll still get the turkeys of course, but we'll be importing them from the EU......

There was an interview with another major UK turkey farmer on the news earlier, he was saying he was looking at a 20-30% reduction in his turkey yield this year and last year he was sold out. Same story, EU workers aren't interested anymore and he was reliant on them, Brits either aren't interested and/or not qualified to do the work.

Once again, he expects the gap to be plugged by turkey imports from the EU.

The 'barrier to entry' as it were for EU workers into the UK is now such that they can't be arsed, there are plenty of other opportunities for them within the EU.

@mack341 as for your question above he didn't have a four year transition phase at all, no one even knew what Johnson's deal would finally look like until last December, and businesses were promised 'the exact same benefits as being an EU member' all the way through the Brexit process, remember.

 

[mack341]

Well we'll still get the turkeys of course, but we'll be importing them from the EU......

There was an interview with another major UK turkey farmer on the news earlier, he was saying he was looking at a 20-30% reduction in his turkey yield this year and last year he was sold out. Same story, EU workers aren't interested anymore and he was reliant on them, Brits either aren't interested and/or not qualified to do the work.

Once again, he expects the gap to be plugged by turkey imports from the EU.

The 'barrier to entry' as it were for EU workers into the UK is now such that they can't be arsed, there are plenty of other opportunities for them within the EU.

@mack341 as for your question above he didn't have a four year transition phase at all, no one even knew what Johnson's deal would finally look like until last December, and businesses were promised 'the exact same benefits as being an EU member' all the way through the Brexit process, remember.

As per my post 'plan on the basis of worst case scenario' I still feel that is relevant.

I don't know why boris hasn't opted to permit temporary workers but maybe then he'd have to allow other sectors the same option, and then it distorts the labour market.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The thing is mack the guy's a turkey farmer, not a trade negotiator. What do you suppose he should have done? Researched all the nuances and impacts of all the possible Brexit outcomes and expend his time and money creating a contingency plan for every single one? The government didn't have the remotest clue what it was doing and where everything was going to land, and it also lied throughout about what the impacts of Brexit would be, what chance does a turkey farmer have against that backdrop?

It's literally the job of government to sort this shit out, and the government failed, and British businesses are paying the price, and now we get to eat EU-sourced turkeys at Christmas. It's almost poetic in its awfulness.

 

[Kroffe]

Found a video of one of the EU workers saying goodbye to the turkeys for the last time.
Heartbreaking.

 

[mack341]

The thing is mack the guy's a turkey farmer, not a trade negotiator. What do you suppose he should have done? Researched all the nuances and impacts of all the possible Brexit outcomes and expend his time and money creating a contingency plan for every single one? The government didn't have the remotest clue what it was doing and where everything was going to land, and it also lied throughout about what the impacts of Brexit would be, what chance does a turkey farmer have against that backdrop?

It's literally the job of government to sort this shit out, and the government failed, and British businesses are paying the price, and now we get to eat EU-sourced turkeys at Christmas. It's almost poetic in its awfulness.

The only outcome relevant to him was would he be able to employ his team of EU nationals or not, I don't think it was that multidimensional; I'm sure there must've been a grapevine of info in his circles regarding what was likely, some poultry farmer's lobby group in touch with the govt or local mp's.

 

[mack341]

Just an add-on point, I agree broadly the govt's handling of things doesn't come across as particularly good, and that could be applied from the day after the result, asleep at the wheel a bit in terms of anticipating the problems (possibly because the machine of govt never agreed with or wanted brexit). 6/10 so far rather than the 8/10 you'd want.
There probably should be a brexit committee of enthusiastic mp's to oversee the project's teething problems, help find solutions, question the depts etc..

 

[Kroffe]

There probably should be a brexit committee of enthusiastic mp's to oversee the project's teething problems, help find solutions, question the depts etc..

Solution to business being slower due to Brexit.

Its possible that the issue with the turkeys may require a different solution.

 

[mack341]

EU revolt: 'Whole German public' fed up of paying for Brussels' spending ahead of election (msn-daily express)

Ms Munch, from the Academy for Political Education in Tutzing, disputed claims about a pro-EU German government after Angela Merkel.
Ms Munch: "There is a more negative attitude.
"We have East Germans who are not so fond of the European Union.
"We have a whole German public not so fond of paying too much money to other member states.
"It is much easier to become pro-European when you are paid, than when you are paying for it. That is the difference."

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Maybe reform will occur, if defence is added the eu budget has to increase surely; I read france's budget contribution will be 25 billion euros, obviously they get money back, but where's the democratic aspect in how the money is spent.​

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Just an add-on point, I agree broadly the govt's handling of things doesn't come across as particularly good, and that could be applied from the day after the result, asleep at the wheel a bit in terms of anticipating the problems (possibly because the machine of govt never agreed with or wanted brexit). 6/10 so far rather than the 8/10 you'd want.
There probably should be a brexit committee of enthusiastic mp's to oversee the project's teething problems, help find solutions, question the depts etc..

My problem with that analysis mack is it suggests that Brexit itself isn't really the problem, it's just the way it's been done that's an issue, whereas my take on this is that Brexit is simply bad news, the old adage 'you can't polish a turd' springs to mind. Brexit is a turd that can't be polished.

That said, we've got the turd now whether we like it or not, and we don't have the option to return it to sender, so I think the best we can do is try to mitigate the worst of its effects, and for me that means getting back in the Single Market and Customs Union, with all the compromises that entails.

Let's see how things go this winter, if any of these shortages start to turn critical, the public mood will shift, and shift quickly. Some mainstream news outlets are now openly saying that Brexit is a contributing factor to the current problems (although the BBC appears to be largely cowed). Supermarkets are now warning that price rises are imminent, and then we've still got the tax increases to come, along with generally rising inflation.

Just as a quick example, from the 1st October EU identity cards are no longer accepted for entry into the UK, truckers from most EU countries drive all over Europe with a truck licence and an EU ID card, they're not going to want to obtain a full passport just to deliver to the UK, it's a bureaucratic hurdle they're not going to bother with.

This situation could get a lot worse before it gets better.

 

[mack341]

Chop I'll let that percolate through my grey matter rather than rush a reply.

The announcements of do not panic buy petrol have obviously had the opposite effect, the public doesn't have the same confidence in govt as they used to, it can either carry on declining or restore, that will take some doing on current form though. It's not all bad but something is missing that was there before, the belief central and local govt had a decent handle on things.

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[dunover]

Well, did the fortnightly food shop this morning, no empty shelves, 100% of goods were there **Haywards Strong Pickled Onions excepted** and traffic at the filling station was normal, although it apparently did run out yesterday evening so must've been refilled sometime today.

I think if you live in an area where the populace are of average intelligence or higher, you won't see panic buying stampedes.

Hackney yes, Harrogate no sort-of-thing.

 

[pinnit2014]

Noticed the petrol issue today; 4 stops/non-stops at stations to get petrol, the one i got was lucky as the petrol was ok, diesel out though.

Probably not helped by some twats filling their 4 cars at the house up and then driving home to let them sit there for a week.

Always wonder if the news reporting causes issues as some of the morons wouldn't have ventured out had they not read/watched some of the sensationalised stories.

Could be a strategic move to try and increase electric sales (i looked at them before i got a new car but decided it was one car change too soon - i'm sure Greta will be greeting)

 

[mack341]

Noticed the petrol issue today; 4 stops/non-stops at stations to get petrol, the one i got was lucky as the petrol was ok, diesel out though.

Probably not helped by some twats filling their 4 cars at the house up and then driving home to let them sit there for a week.

Always wonder if the news reporting causes issues as some of the morons wouldn't have ventured out had they not read/watched some of the sensationalised stories.

Could be a strategic move to try and increase electric sales (i looked at them before i got a new car but decided it was one car change too soon - i'm sure Greta will be greeting)

Funny I had the same thought today, this will now nudge more new car buyers electric...we're in for a bumpy ride it seems, gas and petrol being phased out this decade, plus cash probably...meanwhile china, india and other well populated places burning coal like mad and probably still using gas etc..

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Now I'm not even remotely suggesting this is a MAJOR BREXIT CALAMITY, but it's just a small personal story from our own family.

A few months ago our daughter had what she called 'a downsizing programme' where she donated hundreds of her various cuddly and soft toys to the local hospice shop (it took two runs in the car to get them all out there, in cash terms I daren't quite even think about the total spend they represented, but they were at least going to a good cause).

Anyway, since then she's been expressing regret about a very small number of the ones she let go, and we've had various efforts to either get the actual toy back, or an identical replacement. (The high point of this was where Mrs Chopley managed to get a shout out on the main local radio station here, which was heard by a lady who lived on the west of the island who'd bought one of the toys, she returned it to the shop and Jnr was subsequently reunited with it, to her absolute delight.)

In the last couple of days Jnr has been starting to get upset about another toy that she let go, (for the record, she's autistic, and when she gets fixated on something, she can really get fixated on it), and Mrs Chopley has once again set upon the quest to find an identical replacement, and she finally tracked down the company that makes and sells them - they're based in Denmark. (Again, for the record, Mrs Chopley has been amazing at this several times over now with the 'downsizing programme aftermath'.)

You know what's coming next, Mrs Chopley tried to order a single toy from this company in Denmark, there was no option to ship to UK addresses (IOM is treated as an extension of the UK for this purpose), so she emailed them and explained why we wanted to buy the toy. A lovely lady in Denmark replied to her and said she was really sorry but they simply can't ship to the UK anymore for single item orders, or indeed even any sort of order smaller than an entire pallet of product, because the red tape, costs, customs declarations, form filling, unknown 'extras' that are liable to be added on and general fuckery with doing business with the UK now makes it completely uneconomical for them to do so.

This time last year they'd have just popped the toy in a padded envelope and put it in the post.

Yes I know it's just one disabled child who can't get a toy she wants, it's a tiny little 'Brexit story', it's not even a blip on the radar, but it's the type of story that is being repeated all across the UK on an individual and business level thousands of times over every single day.

And once again I'm left wondering, where's the good stuff? What are the benefits we're reaping for this damage we've done to ourselves? I always thought 'getting back our fish' was a pretty crappy argument for the Leave campaign considering the tiny fraction of GDP that fishing represents, and we didn't even get the fucking fish back, and instead actually devastated swathes of our fishing industry because they now experience the same as what the toy company in Denmark found - namely UK<>EU business just got a lot harder, and more expensive, and more bureaucratic.

Current plan is one of Mrs Chopley's friends in France has offered to have the toy shipped to her in France, and she'll take on the hassle of getting it over to us here.

Yay Brexit.

 

[pinnit2014]

Funny I had the same thought today, this will now nudge more new car buyers electric...we're in for a bumpy ride it seems, gas and petrol being phased out this decade, plus cash probably...meanwhile china, india and other well populated places burning coal like mad and probably still using gas etc..

We're not too bad here for when it does happen - can install the chargers at home, but not sure for a lot of places, no driveways etc, how they'd go about it....all i've heard is soundbites; 'we will go fully electric' etc but with, maybe with similarities to this thread title, little meat on the bones

The E Cars are growing, albeit very slow so the economies of scale for lower prices etc aren't really there yet.

As a side note - go try the E Scooters in places that have them: they're cracking

 

[dunover]

Now I'm not even remotely suggesting this is a MAJOR BREXIT CALAMITY, but it's just a small personal story from our own family.

A few months ago our daughter had what she called 'a downsizing programme' where she donated hundreds of her various cuddly and soft toys to the local hospice shop (it took two runs in the car to get them all out there, in cash terms I daren't quite even think about the total spend they represented, but they were at least going to a good cause).

Anyway, since then she's been expressing regret about a very small number of the ones she let go, and we've had various efforts to either get the actual toy back, or an identical replacement. (The high point of this was where Mrs Chopley managed to get a shout out on the main local radio station here, which was heard by a lady who lived on the west of the island who'd bought one of the toys, she returned it to the shop and Jnr was subsequently reunited with it, to her absolute delight.)

In the last couple of days Jnr has been starting to get upset about another toy that she let go, (for the record, she's autistic, and when she gets fixated on something, she can really get fixated on it), and Mrs Chopley has once again set upon the quest to find an identical replacement, and she finally tracked down the company that makes and sells them - they're based in Denmark. (Again, for the record, Mrs Chopley has been amazing at this several times over now with the 'downsizing programme aftermath'.)

You know what's coming next, Mrs Chopley tried to order a single toy from this company in Denmark, there was no option to ship to UK addresses (IOM is treated as an extension of the UK for this purpose), so she emailed them and explained why we wanted to buy the toy. A lovely lady in Denmark replied to her and said she was really sorry but they simply can't ship to the UK anymore for single item orders, or indeed even any sort of order smaller than an entire pallet of product, because the red tape, costs, customs declarations, form filling, unknown 'extras' that are liable to be added on and general fuckery with doing business with the UK now makes it completely uneconomical for them to do so.

This time last year they'd have just popped the toy in a padded envelope and put it in the post.

Yes I know it's just one disabled child who can't get a toy she wants, it's a tiny little 'Brexit story', it's not even a blip on the radar, but it's the type of story that is being repeated all across the UK on an individual and business level thousands of times over every single day.

And once again I'm left wondering, where's the good stuff? What are the benefits we're reaping for this damage we've done to ourselves? I always thought 'getting back our fish' was a pretty crappy argument for the Leave campaign considering the tiny fraction of GDP that fishing represents, and we didn't even get the fucking fish back, and instead actually devastated swathes of our fishing industry because they now experience the same as what the toy company in Denmark found - namely UK<>EU business just got a lot harder, and more expensive, and more bureaucratic.

Current plan is one of Mrs Chopley's friends in France has offered to have the toy shipped to her in France, and she'll take on the hassle of getting it over to us here.

Yay Brexit.

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Do you reckon it was a remainer or a leaver?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Do you reckon it was a remainer or a leaver?

And answers or intelligent suggestions came there none.

 

[dunover]

And answers or intelligent suggestions came there none.

Yeah, that frame of mind but I thought you'd already solved the problem? Anyway, off to queue at a garage, panic buy some broccoli and buy some 50% RTP lotto tickets.

 

[mack341]

And answers or intelligent suggestions came there none.

That is a touching story Chop, but my annoyance is reserved for whoever designed/created this red tape, it sounds overly restrictive, costly and complicated. I'm sure I could go on ebay and buy something from the far east or india without much trouble. Therefore I cannot understand how a danish firm faces such obstacles to post you a cuddly toy, esp when extra delivery costs for the receiver is not an important issue. I hope you and mrs D can get a successful outcome for your daughter.

 

[mack341]

We're not too bad here for when it does happen - can install the chargers at home, but not sure for a lot of places, no driveways etc, how they'd go about it....all i've heard is soundbites; 'we will go fully electric' etc but with, maybe with similarities to this thread title, little meat on the bones

The E Cars are growing, albeit very slow so the economies of scale for lower prices etc aren't really there yet.

As a side note - go try the E Scooters in places that have them: they're cracking

I'll probably wait until robin reliant bring out an electric 3 wheeler, bout what my budget might stretch to, or the ultimate in green tech ... a horse and cart

Those scooters are lightning fast, but thief magnets i'd expect atm.

 

[pinnit2014]

I'll probably wait until robin reliant bring out an electric 3 wheeler, bout what my budget might stretch to, or the ultimate in green tech ... a horse and cart

Those scooters are lightning fast, but thief magnets i'd expect atm.

Yeah, didn't realise you can only use them in places that have grant schemes for them (like town centres), rather than weave through the estates

Tbh, places abroad has a better infrastructure to enjoy them but still good for places with long water fronts etc , that way no one can see u go arse over elbow.

You could ride in on a horse and declare yourself the Covid saviour, whilst playing Raging Rhino while the horse does the hard work for u

 

[ChopleyIOM]

That is a touching story Chop, but my annoyance is reserved for whoever designed/created this red tape, it sounds overly restrictive, costly and complicated. I'm sure I could go on ebay and buy something from the far east or india without much trouble. Therefore I cannot understand how a danish firm faces such obstacles to post you a cuddly toy, esp when extra delivery costs for the receiver is not an important issue. I hope you and mrs D can get a successful outcome for your daughter.

Thank you mack I appreciate the comment.

The good news is that the line of accountability to the people who are responsible for this new red tape is completely clear and easy to establish, it's the Tories and their shit Brexit deal that Johnson lied his arse off about, telling everyone how great and oven-ready it was.

There's a good piece in the Guardian today about Barnier and the Brexit negotiations, to say we were massively outclassed would be putting it very, very mildly. But then again, we hadn't had to do any trade negotiations for decades because the EU did it all for us (and did a very good job of it), we sent a David Davis and a Dominic 'I'm surprised how reliant we are on the port of Dover' Raab to a Barnier fight and it went as well as you might imagine.

(Honestly, just take a few minutes out of your day to read this article, we got bent over and rodded on a biblical scale. It's no one else's fault, the referendum and Brexit all happened on the Tories' watch - this shit is on them.)

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Rarely do we see the thinking of the other side of a negotiation so quickly, while the trail is still warm. Michel Barnier’s new book helps explain why Britain ended up being comprehensively out-negotiated over Brexit and saddled with a flawed withdrawal agreement and a deeply disadvantageous future relationship, both of which will cause us major problems for decades to come. This is therefore an important account.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Daily Mail surprised to find that telling people to fuck off for years eventually results in them doing exactly that.

I see the government is now proposing to pass emergency legislation to make it easier for EU workers to come to the UK.

Also, Covid and the 'pingdemic' aren't washing as an excuse any longer, with a majority of people polled, including 52% of Leave voters, now saying that they at least partly blame Brexit for all the shit that's going on.

Two thirds (67%) of voters believe the government has handled the crisis badly, according to a new Opinium poll for the Observer. Even a majority of Conservative voters (59%) thought that the government had responded badly. The majority (68%) said Brexit was partly to blame, including 88% of Remain voters and 52% of Leave voters.

 

[Spikie]

Also in the Daily Mail ….

 

[Spikie]

And another one from the Daily Mail, just to remind Chopley that there are fuel shortages have affected countries all over the world ….

 

[interlog]

Daily Mail surprised to find that telling people to fuck off for years eventually results in them doing exactly that.

I see the government is now proposing to pass emergency legislation to make it easier for EU workers to come to the UK.

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Also, Covid and the 'pingdemic' aren't washing as an excuse any longer, with a majority of people polled, including 52% of Leave voters, now saying that they at least partly blame Brexit for all the shit that's going on.

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Two thirds (67%) of voters believe the government has handled the crisis badly, according to a new Opinium poll for the Observer. Even a majority of Conservative voters (59%) thought that the government had responded badly. The majority (68%) said Brexit was partly to blame, including 88% of Remain voters and 52% of Leave voters.

We advertised for another 15 drivers. Advert went up a week ago. 98 applicants so far, none of which reside outside of the UK.

You can get drivers but if you're not prepared to pay a decent wage that goes with the job, you will have drivers leaving for other Companies.

I have been with my current Company for some 17 years. Other than drivers passing away, being sacked or retiring, not one person has left to go and work elsewhere.

 

[bowki]

Current plan is one of Mrs Chopley's friends in France has offered to have the toy shipped to her in France, and she'll take on the hassle of getting it over to us here.

Let me know if that doesn't work out as planned. If they ship it to Germany I'm happy to send it over to the IOM. No kid should suffer just because some politicians can't agree on a trading deal.

 

[dunover]

Let me know if that doesn't work out as planned. If they ship it to Germany I'm happy to send it over to the IOM. No kid should suffer just because some politicians can't agree on a trading deal.

You'll face exactly the same issues as Denmark if you do this as deliveries to the IoM are done via the UK's customs and mail checks. We need to set up an international soft toy smuggling route. Cornwall needs to get its smugglers' caves back in action where contraband was brought in from Spain and France back in the 17 and 1800's. Failing that, I suggest you buy/order some UK postage stamps online, wrap it up, address it and drive to Calais. Hand it over to one of the illegal migrants awaiting a clandestine channel crossing through our porous borders and slip them £50 to drop it into a UK post office when they get here, then it will be considered a UK internal parcel and not subject to customs or checks. If that fails then I believe if its sent to a UK national in Australia, Canada, S. Africa or NZ they can ship it over here with no duty if it's marked as a 'gift' and is worth less than £30.

P.S. When it has made its round-the-world trip there could be some more delays. Royal Mail probably don't have enough truck drivers to pick it up from the mail centre and distribute it, if they do they won't have any fuel to do the job anyway. Even if we're OK on those two points, the drivers may well be in hospital suffering from starvation as we don't have any food left on the shelves for various reasons. Those who do have food and fuel may go on strike as there's a 5% chance they won't have a turkey for Christmas and they didn't get on the waiting list quick enough. Those who don't go on strike and carry on working because either they couldn't care less about turkeys or don't bother with Christmas full-stop, will then probably be off work with stress as the Suez Canal blockage and worldwide shipping capacity shortage means that they can't get their cheap plastic Chinese junk for their kids' Christmas stockings. So we have a challenge here.

Anyway, I'm off out now to sit in a queue with my car engine idling and burning off £20 worth of fuel before I finally get to a working pump and top it up with erm... another £20 of fuel.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Let me know if that doesn't work out as planned. If they ship it to Germany I'm happy to send it over to the IOM. No kid should suffer just because some politicians can't agree on a trading deal.

Thanks bowki that's very kind, I really appreciate it.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

INDEPENDENCE DAY!

Independence Day update.

 

[pinnit2014]

I did notice Will Smith never made an appearance (not like he's busy making decent films anyhow)

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Good news folks, famous notable Brain Void John Redwood has worked it out. (Once again, I had to check this wasn't from the John Redwood parody account.)

Why stop there John, if you can ride a scooter why not pilot airplanes, or go straight to nuclear physicist if you can strike a match?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I assume tomorrow's headline will be 'We're going to tell our mum you're being mean'.

Clearly a slight failure of logic since if Brexit is nothing to do with the crisis, why then is the proposed solution to pass emergency legislation to, erm, allow EU workers to come back to the UK, in a reversal of Brexit rules?

 

[mack341]

Good news folks, famous notable Brain Void John Redwood has worked it out. (Once again, I had to check this wasn't from the John Redwood parody account.)

Why stop there John, if you can ride a scooter why not pilot airplanes, or go straight to nuclear physicist if you can strike a match?

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Admittedly that's not the best wisdom share from the Vulcan, but when he speaks the hoc listens, one of the last of the old school.

 

[slotplayer]

Funny I had the same thought today, this will now nudge more new car buyers electric...we're in for a bumpy ride it seems, gas and petrol being phased out this decade, plus cash probably...meanwhile china, india and other well populated places burning coal like mad and probably still using gas etc..

My Brother in law has a Telsa he bought a couple years ago. Rode in it this past summer, quite the car. He's a big bernie sanders guy.