Brexit - whats the difference.....

[slotplayer]

Assumed it would be on some Qanon account, but no, it was actually Trumps youtube account.
Pretty much the same i guess, not the first and probably not the last time he spreads Qanon-conspiracies.

Shame Republicans actually belive it tho.
Probably explains the sorry state Usa is currently in. =(

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NYT requires giving out email for me, but I'm pretty sure I heard him say it live at the time and said to myself "did he just say what I think he said" but I knew it was just a gaff and labeled it as such in my post.

Things are often taken out of context. Not unlike "fine people on both sides."

You earned one of these:

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Maybe we'll get our 'adjustment period' or whatever they want to call it and the worst of this will be avoided.

NI business leaders are saying they aren't ready for January 1st, Deal or No Deal.

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[dunover]

Oh well, I suppose it could be worse, he could be suggesting that Doctors maybe try injecting people with disinfectant to combat covid.
Nobody in their right mind, nobody with sanity could ever suggest that, could they.....

The guy is senile.

 

[Slottery]

NI business heard only now about Brexit and haven't plan anything for possible scenarios (there are not that many, no deal/some kind of deal), since WA it's been known what should happen between NI and other UK. How these guys now only have 6 weeks time, have they been in coma last few years?

Brexit might suck for many and is not simple, but if somebody called "Business Leaders" is now saying that everything just dropped from sky few days ago and there's only 6 weeks to prepare, i wouldn't like these people to run any business i have financial interest....

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Multiple UK fishing industry leaders, many of whom campaigned for Brexit and in some cases even contributed to Vote Leave, deliver a warning that they face economic decimation once the transition period ends.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Today's Brexit Dividend news.

Two things to note about the lorry tailbacks.

1) They were caused by the French testing their systems on the UK side. We haven't even finalised our systems yet. They're not ready, the IT systems aren't finished.

2) The 70 second delay per truck is reckoned to be substantially less than each lorry will actually end up suffering once other checks are factored in.

Where's all the good Brexit news gone? It feels like it's ages since we had any positive Brexit stories, they seemed to stop once all the lies were proven to be lies and the promises crumbled to dust.

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[ChopleyIOM]

So just as we're on the cusp of imposing crippling economic sanctions on ourselves with our largest single trading partner, the EU, we now have the USA telling us in no uncertain terms not to fuck about the with Good Friday Agreement if we want a trade deal with them.

Yes this isn't 'new' in a way, but Biden has taken the time to make it explicitly clear, as it's also now certain he will be the next POTUS.

In reality the whole issue with a trade deal with the USA was horseshit anyway, since it'd never repair even small amount of the economic damage that Brexit will do, but it's yet another nail in the coffin of lies and broken promises.

Ireland was always going to be a massive problem for Brexit, and wise folks pointed that out before the referendum was even held.

Project Fear - we were told.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

And right at the end, with grim predictability, as we enter the dying days of transition with no great trade deals, no wins, no benefits, and all the incoming shite I've been detailing for months now, on top of all the damage that's already been done.

Guess what Gove has to say about it, Mr 'VOTE LEAVE' himself.....

It's the EU's fault.

Sigh.

Remember folks, a lot of the real shit hasn't even started yet.

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[ChopleyIOM]

DFDS is a very large Danish international shipping and logistics company, to show you how impressed they are by Brexit, they've implemented an entire new shipping route that completely avoids the UK that commences on...... 2nd January 2021.

On a wider note it's looking like many EU based hauliers are going to reduce or halt their freight shipping to the UK precisely because it's going to become such a bureaucratic nightmare. This will mean (1) Less stuff to choose from as consumers and (2) It'll all cost more.

Come on Leavers, please counter all this terrible Brexit news with something positive, I mean, it exists, right?

 

[Slottery]

Isn't it very logical that if your endpoint is not in UK, there's no sense to ship anything through 3rd nation countries if your other option is to stay inside of EU single market where the movement of goods and people should be more or less free of taxes and all bureaucracy. I would guess this is very clear and not a surprise to anyone who have right to vote (old enough rd don't have so severe disabilities).

I'm pretty sure there are imported goods to buy in UK even year 2021 and the majority of people do survive alive from this Brexit thingie

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The thing is Slottery, Brexit was sold to the British public off the back of a sack of lies, on trade specifically, voters were told, amongst other things.

1) The exact same benefits as being in the EU
2) Frictionless trade
3) Less red tape and bureaucracy
4) They need us more than we need them and will accommodate us

etc

And instead we now have a major shipping and logistics company creating an entirely new shipping route to avoid the UK completely because it's going to be such a slow, expensive, shitshow to deal with when transition ends.

No one ever said Brexit would be 'THE END OF THE WORLD', but I suspect a lot of folks who voted Leave didn't realise the scope and breadth of the lies that were being told to them, and that the net effect of Brexit would be to make everything worse to varying degrees.

 

[Slottery]

If people vote this kind of things based on bus side commercials and things which are quite easy to find out that most probably not gonna happen, getting what they deserve.

Maybe more about these things which are going to be worse after Brexit, should have been promoted more before the referendum, could have been more beneficial by then. Now many seem to tweet these wisdoms after events on daily basis even there's not much to do anymore, would understand these twitter people much more if they would have been this eager to campaign against Brexit than they are now. Hope UK survive that ferry company changed their route

 

[ChopleyIOM]

It'd take a heart of stone not to find it slightly amusing that many expats voted for Brexit, and are now very upset that they will be subject to all kinds of restrictions when it comes to travelling around the EU, taking their pets with them, limits on duration of stays etc.

However, as with all of Brexit, those who didn't vote for it have to suffer the consequences along with everyone else.

Ending freedom of movement works in two directions.

 

[Slottery]

Yup, how about Britons who might be facing difficulties if willing to move back and been so stupid that got married and got children with non UK people. Quite many UK expacts here in Malta, many at least get some extra thinking to plan futures.

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[Slottery]

A leading fish merchant who voted Brexit to “take back control of UK waters” says he was “brainwashed” after the Marine Management Organisation (MMO) unveiled requirements for exports from 2021.

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Ok, i have to start to agree with @ChopleyIOM more when read these stories, just until these days it's been just really hard to understand that people who are old enough to vote do believe stories where you can eat and keep the cake if somebody says it in tv or right it to bus side.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Should have extended the transition period. Should have extended the transition period. Should have extended the transition period. Should have extended the transition period. Should have extended the transition period. Should have extended the transition period. Should have extended the transition period. Should have extended the transition period. Should have extended the transition period.

Also, as has been pointed out, they're basically concreting over a huge area of land in a known flood plain, through autumn and winter, in the UK. What a surprise it's flooded.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

UK decides it's not going to pass domestic legislation to break international law after all.

No surprises that as we get to the final stretch, it's the UK that makes concessions to avoid a No Deal.

We're like a little yapping terrier snapping at the ankles of a massive Great Dane, the Great Dane knows that in the end the little terrier will calm down and realise he really doesn't carry much weight in the proceedings.

British Bulldog my arse.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

This would be slightly tragic if it weren't true, following the climbdown of the UK government today, Gove (somewhat inadvertently) describes Northern Ireland as now having 'the best of both worlds' (his exact words), which is, of course, precisely what the rest of the UK had before Brexit.

We used to have the best of both worlds. As of January 1st, we won't.

One of the many harsh realities of Brexit, straight out of the mouth of a prominent Leave figure.

They've burned everything to the ground, for absolutely fucking nothing.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

For reference, this is not what 'taking back control' looks like.

2016 - BREXIT DIVIDENDS FOR ALL

2020 - We'll still have basic road connectivity for six months, but only thanks to the EU.

 

[colinsunderland]

Looking more and more likely we are going to leave the EU without a trade deal. I thought people were saying they need us more than we need them, they will agree a deal blah blah blah?

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[09237653]

I said back ages ago in this very thread it will be no deal, the con has been completed the pound is crashing just as they wanted and that is only the beginning.

 

[sufferinsilence]

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[ChopleyIOM]

Really good article here, the absolutely eye-watering thing about Brexit is that it's totally unnecessary, we're doing it to ourselves.

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[dunover]

Remarkably unbiased BBC video here - essentially confirming that the EU are trying to take the UK for more than other non-EU nations with equivalent trading status:

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[Slottery]

I said back ages ago in this very thread it will be no deal, the con has been completed the pound is crashing just as they wanted and that is only the beginning.

Yeah, start to be last times to bet on that and exchange all possible savings to other currencies, pound will go further down at the moment no-deal get confirmed (if it ever happen).

We are in gambling forum so there's option for all to bet what's gonna happen, know quite some people who have done that when started to think no-deal happen, if having some money to play with, could possibly get even something positive from shitty situation.

 

[dunover]

Yeah, start to be last times to bet on that and exchange all possible savings to other currencies, pound will go further down at the moment no-deal get confirmed (if it ever happen).

We are in gambling forum so there's option for all to bet what's gonna happen, know quite some people who have done that when started to think no-deal happen, if having some money to play with, could possibly get even something positive from shitty situation.

Indeed. I have brought a substantial quantity of gold bullion, for two reasons:
Firstly, the Pound will fall to some degree. Gold is priced in USD so gains could be made there.
Secondly, the huge worldwide economic impact with excessive borrowing by all governments, printing money and falling stock markets will result in overall devaluation of the real worth of currencies. It's really the time to pay off any debt, mortgages etc. and re-align your savings strategy which I guess for the above reasons (plus zero-interest and the likelihood of increasing price inflation) should be somewhat linked to intrinsic assets.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I guess all the people who can't afford to buy gold can just get fucked then.

 

[dunover]

I guess all the people who can't afford to buy gold can just get fucked then.

There's always silver, which this year, due to the vastly lower starting price, has risen hugely in comparison to gold, although gold due to a quirk in UK law is VAT free unlike silver and platinum etc. Your first 11k of profits on gold are also exempt from tax. Dunno about the gold rules in the IOM though but I'm sure having the advantage of not being in the EU the tax regime would be even more advantageous there, being the 'Malta' of the British Isles.

 

[Slottery]

I guess all the people who can't afford to buy gold can just get fucked then.

Most can get almost 0 interest loans, that's why word gamble was used in my post(not recommeding it to anyone who is not sure what doing and willing to take risks).

Getting loan, exchange it to something what against sterling drops ie. 10%-20% and exchange it back and pay your mortgage some years ealier. Downside is that if that not happen and sterling goes up, you lose. Quite many getting rid of sterlings at the moment which of course makes it go down like it does.

This drop happened already, guess most of who wanna place their bets in this race have started bit earlier when signs been there.

The British Pound experienced its biggest one-day drop in three months against the Euro amidst increasing signs a 'no deal' Brexit is the most likely outcome to trade talks between the EU and UK.
The Pound-to-Euro exchange rate fell 1.30% on Thursday to close at 1.0950, a level it finds itself at on Friday.

 

[slotplayer]

Not really up on the details of Brexit but it seems like the EU is afraid of the domino effect, hence the strong stance.

 

[Playford7]

Not really up on the details of Brexit but it seems like the EU is afraid of the domino effect, hence the strong stance.

Naturally, can’t wait for no deal.
fuck the EU and all it stands for...

 

[sufferinsilence]

Did you think the EU was going to lie down because after 4 and a half years GB desperately needs to get a deal? I'm afraid it doesn't work like that.

 

[Playford7]

Did you think the EU was going to lie down because after 4 and a half years GB desperately needs to get a deal? I'm afraid it doesn't work like that.

I really don’t give a fuck either way in all honesty.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

This seems fine, I'm sure everyone envisaged military vessels guarding cod when they voted for Brexit. I mean, what are they actually going to do, start shooting at the French or something?

Brexit is unhinged.

NOTE - Fishing is 0.1% of the UK's GDP.

 

[Slottery]

That's the spirit to speed up negotiations

 

[dunover]

This seems fine, I'm sure everyone envisaged military vessels guarding cod when they voted for Brexit. I mean, what are they actually going to do, start shooting at the French or something?

Brexit is unhinged.

NOTE - Fishing is 0.1% of the UK's GDP.

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Why not? We spent the best part of the last 900 years shooting at the French.

 

[Slottery]

Why not? We spent the best part of the last 900 years shooting at the French.

And that should be fair fight, only country in EU who after UK have nuclear weapons, been while since last time. Then next generations can wonder how that escalated from oven ready trade deal to nuclear war.

 

[mack341]

Let's just go with no-deal, trade on wto terms and see how things pan out, far too upredictable to agree to tie ourselves into following the EU forever, when no one knows what new laws/regulations they'll draw up next - which are unlikely to be aimed at helping the uk, more protecting their own interests if you think about it logically [esp france and germany's].

Regarding the fishing rights this MP may be correct, it is a ruse, also a cheek the EU is offering a concession that is not theirs in the first place, allowing us to keep our own fishing waters in return for following EU regulations elsewhere - wow thanks!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

'Let's just go with no-deal'

The thing we were promised would never happen, the thing we were told was absolutely unthinkable and no sane person would countenance, the thing Johnson said there was no plan for because we were going to get a great deal.

The thing that we absolutely know for a fact will cost thousands, tens of thousands of jobs, shrink the UK's GDP by an extra 2% (on top of the 4% Brexit will cost regardless), and lead to a red-tape nightmare the likes of which businesses in the UK haven't had to deal with for decades.

'Let's just go with no-deal' - literally, 'let's make the entire country poorer, let's impoverish our own people, let's blow our own feet off'.

Brexit is the con of the century. Anyone who voted for it, sorry, you've been well and truly had.

 

[mack341]

'Let's just go with no-deal'

The thing we were promised would never happen, the thing we were told was absolutely unthinkable and no sane person would countenance, the thing Johnson said there was no plan for because we were going to get a great deal.

The thing that we absolutely know for a fact will cost thousands, tens of thousands of jobs, shrink the UK's GDP by an extra 2% (on top of the 4% Brexit will cost regardless), and lead to a red-tape nightmare the likes of which businesses in the UK haven't had to deal with for decades.

'Let's just go with no-deal' - literally, 'let's make the entire country poorer, let's impoverish our own people, let's blow our own feet off'.

Brexit is the con of the century. Anyone who voted for it, sorry, you've been well and truly had.

I never said it would never happen, in fact I thought the EU would ask for a heck of a lot but also expected the tory remainers to cave-in, still time, but seems boris is trying some brinkmanship and now in 'who blinks first' territory.

Will we be able to do more free trade with the rest of the world, have a bit more freedom away from policies that have to consider the interests of 27 other members at the same time as our own?

edit: btw what do the people, who perpetrated the 'brexit con' as you see it, get out of it?

 

[bamberfishcake]

The con comes from the politicians that failed to do what the nation asked them to do.

Its been stalled and derailled by non other than our government, the London elite and politicians.

GDP will drop regardless of a deal or not. I agree, trade with the rest of the world and screw Europe.

The minute it was labelled as an 'oven ready' deal it was doomed to fail. I mean come on please, were not school children and neither are the people their negotiating with.

 

[The Viking]

The Difference

 

[bamberfishcake]

I get what you mean but i dont think we shoiuld be that scared.

Whats the alternative?

Have a bad deal that binds us into god knows what for the next few years OR continue on this merry-go-round of inept politicians failing to do what the nation asked.

I dont think the cliff option looks that bad when you consider the others.

Negotiate well and get a deal that both sides can work with or dont bother.

No reason why we cant come back in 6 months and negotiate again. There will always be a deal on the table because both sides have something the other wants.

 

[vorcirion]

I get what you mean but i dont think we shoiuld be that scared.

Whats the alternative?

Have a bad deal that binds us into god knows what for the next few years OR continue on this merry-go-round of inept politicians failing to do what the nation asked.

I dont think the cliff option looks that bad when you consider the others.

Negotiate well and get a deal that both sides can work with or dont bother.

No reason why we cant come back in 6 months and negotiate again. There will always be a deal on the table because both sides have something the other wants.

I hope the EU takes advantage of your situation in 6 months and uses all its leverage to get even better terms for us.

 

[bamberfishcake]

I hope the EU takes advantage of your situation in 6 months and uses all its leverage to get even better terms for us.

What leverage are you referring to?

The EU is knackered without the UK's backing.....good luck in any case, you can keep your snails, clogs and strange feminine armpit hair.........oh and the deckchairs.....

(Im of course kidding about the last bit, i know its not very PC but i find it hard to get political without taking the michael).

 

[Slottery]

Was there something special that nation asked but Brexit which the referendum was about (don't know how that was phrased in voting ticket, but haven't seen anything specific which could be understood as nations will)?

 

[mack341]

 

[vorcirion]

What leverage are you referring to?

The EU is knackered without the UK's backing.....good luck in any case, you can keep your snails, clogs and strange feminine armpit hair.........oh and the deckchairs.....

(Im of course kidding about the last bit, i know its not very PC but i find it hard to get political without taking the michael).

EU is UK's biggest trading partner. And EU's economy is much bigger than UK's so there's that. And UK will be weaker in 6 months.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

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This might come as a shock but Johnson is lying, none of this is new, all of this was known 100% when Johnson paraded his 'oven ready deal' in front of the country last year. Nothing has changed in the EU position.

If a country wants an FTA and tariff-free access to the largest single market in the world, it has to to maintain equivalence in several key areas.

So the EU has NOT 'brought back' the idea of equivalence, it has been there all along and has not changed, and in fact Johnson signed up to it with his political declaration.

Still, I'm sure the German car manufacturers will be along soon to save us, although they're certainly leaving it until pretty late in the day.

 

[pinnit2014]

What leverage are you referring to?

The EU is knackered without the UK's backing.....good luck in any case, you can keep your snails, clogs and strange feminine armpit hair.........oh and the deckchairs.....

(Im of course kidding about the last bit, i know its not very PC but i find it hard to get political without taking the michael).

Unless the UK plans on annexing Scotland (or vice versa) as part of this, rest assured, that will still be here post Brexit.

Gotta rush, these sinks aren't going to unclog themselves.