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Brexit - whats the difference.....

mack341 said:
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The EU leaders' pick to be the next European Commission president has said she wants to end countries' veto on foreign policy.

The move, proposed by Ursula von der Leyen in a speech on Tuesday, would see EU positions on external affairs decided by a qualified majority vote instead of unanimously.

She argued that the change was needed so the EU could act fast on the world stage instead of taking time to find a consensus.

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EU announces plan to scrap member state veto on tax policy

The European Commission has proposed scrapping member states’ veto on tax policy, in a move that could see levies imposed on
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countries against their will.

Brussels says the requirement of unanimity for tax policy is out-dated and that moving to a system of qualified majority voting would help speed up the legislative process.

The bloc has struggled to agree ambitious policies such as a tax on US tech giants because of opposition from low-tax countries such as Luxembourg and Ireland.

The idea was immediately rejected the Irish government, with a spokesperson saying it “does not support any change being made to how tax issues are agreed at EU level”.

Launching the policy in Strasbourg on Tuesday, European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker said he was “strongly in favour of moving to qualified majority voting and a stronger voice for the European Parliament on the common future of taxation in our Union”.

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This is the direction they want to go in, with more power centralised. Maybe the small nations can stop it but I doubt it.
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It won't change that easily.

It is however understandable. The unanimous decision was easier with just a few members, now with 28 members it is surely tougher to find common ground, yet it won't happen as the smaller countries would have to give up their "power". I wouldn't say easily yes either, except for minor stuff.
 
mack341 said:
There is this speech by mrs merkel to consider too




You only need to join the dots, remember how keen the warmonger Blair is about the EU, to see the danger and potential of an EU army aligned to a foreign policy with no nation state/member veto.
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Of course they want one Europe they are not going to all this trouble of creating EU courts, EU Parliament etc to stay as they are after all what company buys another and doesn't eventually merge them and drop the name.

They just are not brave enough to say it out aloud, come on EU just say we want the EU to be one big state.
 
I wouldn't trust this lunatic and all he stands for as far as I could throw him, with his evil joker grin :eek:


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Harry_BKK said:
Sorry Dazza, but that must be the most moronic post I have ever read here on CM. :rolleyes:
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OK, before you go round hurling abuse I suggest a 'moron' in this context is someone who ignores the facts and cannot seem to grasp what the surreptitious progression of the E-USSR super-state has actually meant for most countries. It's methodology is like that of a controlling husband who over a period of time cuts his victim off from her friends, decides where and when she can work or go out, how much money she can keep and general control freakery.

So let's look at how they've tried (and have) turned people into stooges:

They've stripped most countries of their individual currencies.
They've replaced their passports with 'Citizen of the EU' crap.
They've tried to remove any homogeny the nations may have via open borders.
They've tried to hijack defence and centralize it in Brussels.
They've prevented usage of traditional weights and measures, so UK citizens have been prosecuted for selling goods only in pounds and ounces. Really democratic that.
They've limited freedom to make non-EU trade deals.
They've contrived a replacement flag and national anthem for the member states.
They've stripped billions from countries like the UK in order to give it to other poorer countries and buy them into the EU expansionist fold.
They've decided mass legislation which supersedes that of sovereign parliaments of member states.
They've wasted billions on translators, MEP's, Judges and buildings/bureaucracy.
They've cajoled recalcitrant countries into referendums until the voters choose the 'right' way.
They've plundered our waters.
They've hooked us into importing cheap food while paying our farmers to set aside good agricultural land.
They've allowed tens of millions to be stolen via false subsidy claims.

All this dressed up as single markets benefits while asking us to forget paying billions a year towards it for the privilege of running a 40bn trade deficit with them.

Yeah, a real no-brainer continuing like this.

So yes, several comparisons there with the old British Empire. As you seem to decry that, then I can only assume you apply those same principles to the EU? So really, you were a 'leaver' all along....:)
 
dunover said:
OK, before you go round hurling abuse I suggest a 'moron' in this context is someone who ignores the facts and cannot seem to grasp what the surreptitious progression of the E-USSR super-state has actually meant for most countries. It's methodology is like that of a controlling husband who over a period of time cuts his victim off from her friends, decides where and when she can work or go out, how much money she can keep and general control freakery.

So let's look at how they've tried (and have) turned people into stooges:

They've stripped most countries of their individual currencies.
They've replaced their passports with 'Citizen of the EU' crap.
They've tried to remove any homogeny the nations may have via open borders.
They've tried to hijack defence and centralize it in Brussels.
They've prevented usage of traditional weights and measures, so UK citizens have been prosecuted for selling goods only in pounds and ounces. Really democratic that.
They've limited freedom to make non-EU trade deals.
They've contrived a replacement flag and national anthem for the member states.
They've stripped billions from countries like the UK in order to give it to other poorer countries and buy them into the EU expansionist fold.
They've decided mass legislation which supersedes that of sovereign parliaments of member states.
They've wasted billions on translators, MEP's, Judges and buildings/bureaucracy.
They've cajoled recalcitrant countries into referendums until the voters choose the 'right' way.
They've plundered our waters.
They've hooked us into importing cheap food while paying our farmers to set aside good agricultural land.
They've allowed tens of millions to be stolen via false subsidy claims.

All this dressed up as single markets benefits while asking us to forget paying billions a year towards it for the privilege of running a 40bn trade deficit with them.

Yeah, a real no-brainer continuing like this.

So yes, several comparisons there with the old British Empire. As you seem to decry that, then I can only assume you apply those same principles to the EU? So really, you were a 'leaver' all along....:)
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Bravo Dazza, I see the Farrage clique taught you all the "fear" propaganda you need! Now I understand why the "Leave" campaign won. :rolleyes:

You are welcome to stop earning money from those pesky, dangerous EU countries. Funny that you happily accept the advantages the EU provides its members. Your hypocrisy is purely amazing. :rolleyes:

But then so is Farrage, earning a big salary and doing nothing other than badmouthing 24/7/365 the people that fed him all these years.
 
Harry_BKK said:
But then so is Farrage, earning a big salary and doing nothing other than badmouthing 24/7/365 the people that fed him all these years.
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Now now Harry I'm going to have to call you out on that blatant falsehood.

He turns up once every few weeks for an hour or so just to get his stupid face on the news whilst he talks jingoistic shite, and then the rest of the time simply takes his salary for doing precisely fuck all.

See also the INCREDIBLE BREXIT MARCHES where he put about 15 minutes in and then pissed off to do something else, leaving everyone else to carry the burden. (Which is quite a good analogy for Brexit, really.)
 
Harry_BKK said:
Bravo Dazza, I see the Farrage clique taught you all the "fear" propaganda you need! Now I understand why the "Leave" campaign won. :rolleyes:

You are welcome to stop earning money from those pesky, dangerous EU countries. Funny that you happily accept the advantages the EU provides its members. Your hypocrisy is purely amazing. :rolleyes:

But then so is Farrage, earning a big salary and doing nothing other than badmouthing 24/7/365 the people that fed him all these years.
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So before the advent of the EU, nobody in the UK earned money from trading with European countries? Or vice versa? Nobody could send money between them? Nobody could buy their goods? You sound like one of those deluded football fans who think top-class football began with the Premier League....

For Harry - (this may shock you, but take a DEEP BREATH....)

Here a French person bought a UK-made Minivan in the 1960's:

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A Briton bought a German BMW in 1968:

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I have also heard (as yet unconfirmed, I am sifting through my Dad's photo collection to see if was snapped by chance) my parents shared a bottle of Italian wine on Christmas day 1971.

All this happened pre-1973 Common Market, EEC, EC, or bloody EU. There was no European Parliament, they all used the same petrol, were sold from some of the same dealerships that still exist today. There was no Euro, Central Bank, EU Court etc. yet amazingly we bought and sold from each other!

I even hear that in the 1960's hundreds of thousands of Britons travelled to Spain, Italy and Greece for their holidays although I'm taking that rumour with a pinch of salt as such a monumental movement of people via Air Travel could not have been achieved without some kind of committee, parliament or single currency.
 
steveh35 said:
Proves again the Eu dictates and we have to leave at midnight CET. ;)
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Yep, got my box of fireworks ready for 23:00 GMT tomorrow...:lolup::lolup:

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As I can't shove them up C*rbyn's arse I'll have to do some responsible grumbling tomorrow...
 
dunover said:
Yep, got my box of fireworks ready for 23:00 GMT tomorrow...:lolup::lolup:

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As I can't shove them up C*rbyn's arse I'll have to do some responsible grumbling tomorrow...
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Also, tomorrow sees the end of dry January, so I'll have a drink or two in celebration of Brexit. It's been a long month, but tomorrow the flood gates open at last. :D :drink:
 
ternur said:
Also, tomorrow sees the end of dry January, so I'll have a drink or two in celebration of Brexit. It's been a long month, but tomorrow the flood gates open at last. :D :drink:
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I'll swap you 2 rockets, a Catharine Wheel and a banger for a bottle of Stella?
 
So to go with the commemorative mugs and tea towels, we'll have new 50ps in circulation tomorrow.

Might prove tricky to buy The Sun/ Beano at certain retailers, mind

About three million commemorative 50p Brexit coins bearing the date "31 January" and the inscription: "Peace, prosperity and friendship with all nations", will enter circulation on Friday.

The
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with some Remain supporters saying they will refuse to accept it.
 
Mr_Slot5 said:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Almost choked with laughter. They really are a precious lot aren't they.

And some said Farage's flag waving was petty :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
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I distance myself from any scurrilous flag slurs in this thread. Not me guvnor :eek2:
 
dunover said:
So before the advent of the EU, nobody in the UK earned money from trading with European countries? Or vice versa? Nobody could send money between them? Nobody could buy their goods? You sound like one of those deluded football fans who think top-class football began with the Premier League....

For Harry - (this may shock you, but take a DEEP BREATH....)

Here a French person bought a UK-made Minivan in the 1960's:

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A Briton bought a German BMW in 1968:

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I have also heard (as yet unconfirmed, I am sifting through my Dad's photo collection to see if was snapped by chance) my parents shared a bottle of Italian wine on Christmas day 1971.

All this happened pre-1973 Common Market, EEC, EC, or bloody EU. There was no European Parliament, they all used the same petrol, were sold from some of the same dealerships that still exist today. There was no Euro, Central Bank, EU Court etc. yet amazingly we bought and sold from each other!

I even hear that in the 1960's hundreds of thousands of Britons travelled to Spain, Italy and Greece for their holidays although I'm taking that rumour with a pinch of salt as such a monumental movement of people via Air Travel could not have been achieved without some kind of committee, parliament or single currency.
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As usual, you are telling only half the story. Why am I not surprised?! :rolleyes:

You might want to check the import tariff the UK charged on the BMW and the French on the Mini. That was paid by the consumer. Today, there are no tariffs on cars and most other products, thanks to the free movement of goods within the EU.

And of course, you leave out the developments on why the UK applied again to join the EEC in the 1970s after being declined membership repeatedly during the 1960s. Nobody asked you to re-apply, it was your government's decision. The future of the EEC was at the time already clear in broad terms.

BTW, the UK created EFTA to counter the EEC and it had very similar goals to the EEC if you care to read the text of the agreement signed by the UK with the likes of Austria, Switzerland, Sweden etc.. So much for the "bad EEC or later EU". :rolleyes:

Of course, trade is not something that was invented by the EU, nations have been trading for millennia, the question is only how free the movement of goods was/is/will be. Take an example from the, let's say, 18th or 19th century. Moving a product from the UK via France and Germany to e.g. Vienna. Can you guess roughly how many customs duty points were on such a journey? I'll give you three numbers to take your pick - 5, 15, 25.
 
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Is this like the WWTBAM version of Brexit? Ok, before I answer:

- the 50/50 lifeline: is this true 50/50 or BTG 50/50?

- Ask the audience: Can you confirm there are no French or German's in it? Don't trust 'em.

- Phone a Friend: - Do EU Roaming charges apply?

Good to see Brexit has the potential to transition quickly (unlike the UK), to Board Game format in a family friendly kind of way.
 
pinnit2014 said:
Is this like the WWTBAM version of Brexit? Ok, before I answer:

- the 50/50 lifeline: is this true 50/50 or BTG 50/50?

- Ask the audience: Can you confirm there are no French or German's in it? Don't trust 'em.

- Phone a Friend: - Do EU Roaming charges apply?

Good to see Brexit has the potential to transition quickly (unlike the UK), to Board Game format in a family friendly kind of way.
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That just made my day, still laughing. :D

- 50/50: You can trust "zeee German", it is real 50/50
- Audience: none of them in the audience though.
- Phone: Roaming Charges will apply again from the date you leave, so you better hurry. :D

It was even worse on the North-South trade corridors, e.g. from Rome to Hamburg you had at some point in time over 40 customs checks, each charging a tariff. :rolleyes:
 
Harry_BKK said:
As usual, you are telling only half the story. Why am I not surprised?! :rolleyes:

You might want to check the import tariff the UK charged on the BMW and the French on the Mini. That was paid by the consumer. Today, there are no tariffs on cars and most other products, thanks to the free movement of goods within the EU.

And of course, you leave out the developments on why the UK applied again to join the EEC in the 1970s after being declined membership repeatedly during the 1960s. Nobody asked you to re-apply, it was your government's decision. The future of the EEC was at the time already clear in broad terms.

BTW, the UK created EFTA to counter the EEC and it had very similar goals to the EEC if you care to read the text of the agreement signed by the UK with the likes of Austria, Switzerland, Sweden etc.. So much for the "bad EEC or later EU". :rolleyes:

Of course, trade is not something that was invented by the EU, nations have been trading for millennia, the question is only how free the movement of goods was/is/will be. Take an example from the, let's say, 18th or 19th century. Moving a product from the UK via France and Germany to e.g. Vienna. Can you guess roughly how many customs duty points were on such a journey? I'll give you three numbers to take your pick - 5, 15, 25.
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Never heard of the Hanseatic League, possibly the first free trading plan in Europe?
 
Harry_BKK said:
We can always go back to the Roman times if you want, no problem, why stop in the 14th century. :rolleyes:
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Funny you should say that - a few years ago they discovered Roman leather writing scrolls up in the north of England, which when translated were found to have complaints about the 'native Britons overcharging for cart transport' and other things.
 
World War 2 veterans, i.e. men who actually fought in it rather than those who evoke it as part of their anti-EU nonsense and rhetoric despite having never had to suffer through a war, express their deep sadness that Britain is leaving the EU, and their hope that we will rejoin sooner rather than later.

 
Or it might just be because it's got quite a long incubation period so this is about when you'd expect it to show up here.

Or REMAINER CONSPIRACY, if you prefer.

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