Brexit - whats the difference.....

[Playford7]

Yes, the EU regeneration funds were disbursed very heavily towards projects of that nature, stuff that isn't very 'glamorous' and is often neglected, but has a great societal value, and is generally targeted at poorer areas and/or stuff like social housing.

It is not clear at all that they will be replaced by the UK government, hence reports such as this.

So yes, technically we do regain 'control' of the spend, but you're then relying on the kind and generous nature of a bunch of multi-millionaire Tories to, for example, help out poor people with social housing.

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Cheers, will have a read.

this is all coming home to roust now as it affects my work.

see I’m a key worker as I do the testing and fault finding, surveying for new builds (social housing) and planning.

we have over 32 separate blocks of flats in manchester within the contract, I won’t tell you how many are social as it’s not relevant, but they are all funded by the EU..

the more expensive as I mentioned earlier are private and they go for upwards of 6million, yeah it’s not a typo..

but the more exclusive of the builds I’ll be working on are behind months upon months of sign off due to funding.

the social housing flats, houses etc that I’ve on my planning are all either almost bang on target or close, this is solely due to the funding and financial side already been paid, signed off or put in place by the EU and certain funding it provided.

as said, I voted brexit.

little did I know the effects it would have on me, the more lucrative contracts we hold are now so far behind due to funding its embarrassing.

Just saying it as it is as i always do, I’ve no horse in any race I just say what I see.

 

[pinnit2014]

Just a short one,

as you know I voted brexit etc..

anyhow the past few months it’s astonishing how many sites, new builds etc ive been on that have been solely funded by the EU, I’m talking almost all of them..

just hoping now we left there is something in place to replace what we lost regards the above.

many projects I’m now managing are massive, one will be the biggest high rise in manchester, guess whom paid and funded it? The EU and it’s projects..

this is paid for and signed off so no issues, but what about future projects?

as a massive advocate of brexit I’m happy to say work wise I may of shot myself in the foot.

Was replying but seen Chopley got in their first re the Shared Prosperity Fund that they said would 'match' the previous levels. But, as yet, and in line with most things so far, there's been very little detail.

Come on up to Scotland - they're daft on these City Deals they've got knocking about, plus the SNP love their Social Housing so Nicola will be down the back of sofa to make sure there's no dent on their progress

Even if you run with 'oh, they'll be more now', that's no guarantee that the money will flow back to where it was originally spent in the past - different political agendas etc.

 

[Playford7]

Was replying but seen Chopley got in their first re the Shared Prosperity Fund that they said would 'match' the previous levels. But, as yet, and in line with most things so far, there's been very little detail.

Come on up to Scotland - they're daft on these City Deals they've got knocking about, plus the SNP love their Social Housing so Nicola will be down the back of sofa to make sure there's no dent on their progress

Even if you run with 'oh, they'll be more now', that's no guarantee that the money will flow back to where it was originally spent in the past - different political agendas etc.

I’m due in Edinburgh mate roughly April to address certain issues, it’s all funding related, it’s not a problem I can fix.

we got a massive contract there, but without funding bringing the project upto the level we can work on or with its utterly pointless.

 

[geordiecolin]

Just a short one,

as you know I voted brexit etc..

anyhow the past few months it’s astonishing how many sites, new builds etc ive been on that have been solely funded by the EU, I’m talking almost all of them..

just hoping now we left there is something in place to replace what we lost regards the above.

many projects I’m now managing are massive, one will be the biggest high rise in manchester, guess whom paid and funded it? The EU and it’s projects..

this is paid for and signed off so no issues, but what about future projects?

as a massive advocate of brexit I’m happy to say work wise I may of shot myself in the foot.

You bloody bar steward!
But it was only ever a part of what we put in.
The side of the bus was very romantic but look at what we have got now.
And just look at America!
For me? I would like to live in Sweden

 

[Playford7]

You bloody bar steward!
But it was only ever a part of what we put in.
The side of the bus was very romantic but look at what we have got now.
And just look at America!
For me? I would like to live in Sweden

I’d love to take Isabelle and live in sweden mate, I’d take her in a heartbeat.

 

[geordiecolin]

I’d love to take Isabelle and live in sweden mate, I’d take her in a heartbeat.

I could have possibly been there mate given choices that I had.Norway to. Trondheim or some such? I have had a checkered history!

 

[Kroffe]

Id go for Norway just because the nature there is awesome.
We need more mountains here in Sweden.

Also, you can pretend you are a gangster hiding out, like in Lillyhammer.
Great show.

 

[sufferinsilence]

 

[Gaz237]

Fair point.

only going on when I get said projects, I get the budgeting etc from the start..

also what we have whilst said project is ongoing.

I’ve now enough work on paper to see me into retirement (in theory)

but it’s after these projects, they are officially EU funded, I’ve seen it.

where will the other funding come from?

Looking at the last two weeks offerings.

I would be seriously renegotiating your food budget

 

[Playford7]

Looking at the last two weeks offerings.

I would be seriously renegotiating your food budget

Can’t be arsed cooking when I’ve been on site working since sometimes 5 in the morning mate.

im also on the laptop working till gone 7 most nights, so al la carte isn’t possible...

tonight’s offerings is better, stay tuned pal !

 

[geordiecolin]

Can’t be arsed cooking when I’ve been on site working since sometimes 5 in the morning mate.

im also on the laptop working till gone 7 most nights, so al la carte isn’t possible...

tonight’s offerings is better, stay tuna pal !

Skipjack?

 

[Playford7]

Skipjack?

Haha! I’ve actually got a tin! Meant to make sandwiches but forgot last night.

 

[Gaz237]

Can’t be arsed cooking when I’ve been on site working since sometimes 5 in the morning mate.

im also on the laptop working till gone 7 most nights, so al la carte isn’t possible...

tonight’s offerings is better, stay tuned pal !

When we were ever working away overnight, we used to get £25 cash in our hand daily, tax free (this was over 25 years ago) Hotel was paid for, the money was just for food and drink, we either ate at the Hotel or somewhere local., depending what country we was in. No way would we of been preparing our own food, if late on site, the hotel would of been warned and prepared us something in advance and left in the fridge.

 

[Playford7]

When we were ever working away overnight, we used to get £25 cash in our hand daily, tax free (this was over 25 years ago) Hotel was paid for, the money was just for food and drink, we either ate at the Hotel or somewhere local., depending what country we was in. No way would we of been preparing our own food, if late on site, the hotel would of been warned and prepared us something in advance and left in the fridge.

We get 4k a year on top of our salary, tax free.

just with lockdown mate and been busy I ain’t the will nor energy.

I’m in a nice apartment, could cook decent stuff but it’s me being lazy lol

 

[Gaz237]

We get 4k a year on top of our salary, tax free.

just with lockdown mate and been busy I ain’t the will nor energy.

I’m in a nice apartment, could cook decent stuff but it’s me being lazy lol

Yeah fair play, didn't think about the corona

 

[pinnit2014]

When we were ever working away overnight, we used to get £25 cash in our hand daily, tax free (this was over 25 years ago) Hotel was paid for, the money was just for food and drink, we either ate at the Hotel or somewhere local., depending what country we was in. No way would we of been preparing our own food, if late on site, the hotel would of been warned and prepared us something in advance and left in the fridge.

I wouldn't like to be the hotel manager if you came back and no food was prepared

'What did i tell you: you were warned'

'eek!'

The hotel would have been like a scene post Rolling Stones stay over

 

[Gaz237]

I wouldn't like to be the hotel manager if you came back and no food was prepared

'What did i tell you: you were warned'

'eek!'

The hotel would have been like a scene post Rolling Stones stay over

We was lucky and we tended to be put up in decent hotels, with their own restaurants, Sometimes we could even get them to do us some decent sausages for breakfast, can't eat all that continental healthy crap daily.

 

[pinnit2014]

We was lucky and we tended to be put up in decent hotels, with their own restaurants, Sometimes we could even get them to do us some decent sausages for breakfast, can't eat all that continental healthy crap daily.

Tend to do more Air B n B's now but the quality of hotel breakfasts has really gone downhill.

Places like Malmaison charge you 12 quid for a shitty sausage, a fat laden bit of bacon and a burnt egg (good going to burn an egg)

Buffet breakfasts (I was always first down, not cos hungry but to avoid people potentially breaking their filth on them - and that was 10-20 years pre covid) are few and far between.

What was worse was going down and finding out they only did cereal and continental: that's not a breakfast, that's a quick snack.

Edit - see you said the same about the Danish type breakfast as i typed that - probably the most deplorable thing a hotel breakfast can be

 

[Gaz237]

Tend to do more Air B n B's now but the quality of hotel breakfasts has really gone downhill.

Places like Malmaison charge you 12 quid for a shitty sausage, a fat laden bit of bacon and a burnt egg (good going to burn an egg)

Buffet breakfasts (I was always first down, not cos hungry but to avoid people potentially breaking their filth on them - and that was 10-20 years pre covid) are few and far between.

What was worse was going down and finding out they only did cereal and continental: that's not a breakfast, that's a quick snack.

Edit - see you said the same about the Danish type breakfast as i typed that - probably the most deplorable thing a hotel breakfast can be

I still remember my first week away working abroad, we was in Prague and didn't land till gone 10pm because of delays, so was 11 by the time we got to our rooms, so it was pop outside see whats open, ended up having a KFC ffs. Few beers off to bed

Thought no worries, have a decent breakie in the morn.

Walked into the restaurant and all i could see was fruit, cereal with fruit, cheese and ham with grapes, I,m like wheres the fucking real food, i even looked around the corners and checked we had not walked in the wrong door. My mates were pissing themselves. They just said get a coffee and you,ll have the best hotdog you have ever tasted, at teabreak. OMG they were right. Proper foot long in a proper roll. Had about 10 different flavours and all proper meat, i think i must of tried them all.

 

[Playford7]

Yeah fair play, didn't think about the corona

Some chicken curry, stir fried onions and peppers, garlic n cheese bread and basmati rice..

best I can do!

ben

 

[geordiecolin]

I wouldn't like to be the hotel manager if you came back and no food was prepared

'What did i tell you: you were warned'

'eek!'

The hotel would have been like a scene post Rolling Stones stay over

I am presuming that Gaz is really Jeremy Clarkson from this point on!

 

[Gaz237]

I am presuming that Gaz is really Jeremy Clarkson from this point on!

Nah, i would not slap someone over a steak.

I like Clarkson, but he was complete bell end then.

When i said earlier we would warn the hotel, i more meant we would not be back until after the restaurant had closed and could they sort us out some tucker.

We always treated the staff well, tipped them everyday and was never rude, which helps, when your hoping for a favour.

 

[Playford7]

I am presuming that Gaz is really Jeremy Clarkson from this point on!

Best description of him ever! No offence mate @Gaz237

 

[Gaz237]

Best description of him ever! No offence mate @Gaz237

I was just thinking after Colin posted that about Clarkson.

I think if i had just finished a 12hr shift and the chef put a Rustlers burger in front of me. It would defiantly be a count to ten time, sip of Shiraz and breath.

 

[geordiecolin]

I was just thinking after Colin posted that about Clarkson.

I think if i had just finished a 12hr shift and the chef put a Rustlers burger in front of me. It would defiantly be a count to ten time, sip of Shiraz and breath.

Chef would have been long gone and drinking something stronger than Shiraz

 

[Playford7]

I was just thinking after Colin posted that about Clarkson.

I think if i had just finished a 12hr shift and the chef put a Rustlers burger in front of me. It would defiantly be a count to ten time, sip of Shiraz and breath.

I’d add bacon for you pal lol

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Ahhh yes The Haunted Victorian Pencil, everything that's wrong with British politics, right there. Fishermen are struggling terribly and going out of business in their droves because of Brexit, and he's laughing about fish feeling happy that they're British again.

 

[paul7388]

Oh I see Chopleys is trouting off about fish again.
This thread would not be same Plaice without him. He is the life and Sole of it.

I Cod of guessed he would mention it again.

 

[Kroffe]

Oh I see Chopleys is trouting off about fish again.
This thread would not be same Plaice without him. He is the life and Sole of it.

I Cod of guessed he would mention it again.

 

[mcgameboy]

Oh I see Chopleys is trouting off about fish again.
This thread would not be same Plaice without him. He is the life and Sole of it.

I Cod of guessed he would mention it again.

Or Carping on.....

It's a dirty job, but Salmon has got to do it. As long as he is Herring on the side of caution and doesn't behave like a Basa, I'm cool with it.

Anyhow, I need to stop talking Pollocks. And fetch my coat before I get battered.

 

[Kroffe]

The lack of respect for the Pun-police is very disheartening.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Personally I wouldn't eat that if you paid me, I mean, look at the fucking things. But this is why it's good we can sell them to the EU.

Or at least, we used to be able to sell them to the EU.

 

[dunover]

Nah, i would not slap someone over a steak.

I like Clarkson, but he was complete bell end then.

When i said earlier we would warn the hotel, i more meant we would not be back until after the restaurant had closed and could they sort us out some tucker.

We always treated the staff well, tipped them everyday and was never rude, which helps, when your hoping for a favour.

Clarkson apparently called the production guy a 'Lazy, useless Irish c*nt'. So he deserved sacking. But yes, I still can't help liking his TV shows.

 

[Kroffe]

I thought top gear was pretty fun, mostly the episodes where they had some challenge and were out in the world somewhere driving shitty cars.
Dont have much interest in cars, so i much preferred when they were goofing around.

The grand tour is a bit shit imo.

 

[dunover]

Or Carping on.....

It's a dirty job, but Salmon has got to do it. As long as he is Herring on the side of caution and doesn't behave like a Basa, I'm cool with it.

Anyhow, I need to stop talking Pollocks. And fetch my coat before I get battered.

He just wants us all to sing to his tuna. This thread- he just wants to fillet with remoaner guff. He always mussels in on the side of the left with all these cockle and bull stories. Eel soon learn...

 

[Kroffe]

Someone banned the thread where all the random stuff was supposed to be posted.
So instead of creating a icing-that-looks-like-a-dress thread, im borrowing the fish&puns thread.
Thanks for understanding.




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[ChopleyIOM]

Remember, we're only a couple of weeks in, all of this is going to get a lot worse.

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[mack341]

Remember, we're only a couple of weeks in, all of this is going to get a lot worse.

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While not reading all the ins and outs of it, my bet would the uk govt put together a system of paperwork that is far too complicated, too much bureacracy, however if the european border officials are unfairly stopping the fishermen from bringing the fish ashore to sell to wholesalers, then that should be resolved higher up politically.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

It's none of those things mack, it's entirely the natural end state of deciding to leave a single market and a customs union, the UK is just another third country now, it's the thing that Brexiters claimed they wanted all along - and this is what happens, businesses go under, people lose their jobs, red tape is massively increased, and bureaucracy that hasn't existed for decades is conjured back into existence.

As has been noted on many occasions, this is the first trade deal in history that was instigated by a country where the end result was always going to be damaging trade and making itself less competitive on the international stage, whilst also diminishing its power and influence.

The UK was a top-tier, top-table member of the EU with real clout, and by extension that gave us clout on the world stage.

Now we can't even sell our fish, but hey, at least they're British fish.

It'd be amusing if it weren't so fucking tragic.

 

[mack341]

It's none of those things mack, it's entirely the natural end state of deciding to leave a single market and a customs union, the UK is just another third country now, it's the thing that Brexiters claimed they wanted all along - and this is what happens, businesses go under, people lose their jobs, red tape is massively increased, and bureaucracy that hasn't existed for decades is conjured back into existence.

As has been noted on many occasions, this is the first trade deal in history that was instigated by a country where the end result was always going to be damaging trade and making itself less competitive on the international stage, whilst also diminishing its power and influence.

The UK was a top-tier, top-table member of the EU with real clout, and by extension that gave us clout on the world stage.

Now we can't even sell our fish, but hey, at least they're British fish.

It'd be amusing if it weren't so fucking tragic.

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But don't the european consumers still want to buy and eat the dish [uk fishermen catch species we don't eat and sell them to wholesalers on the continent] if so then the deal hammered out between bojo and the eu should have accomplished that this trade would carry on. otherwise the EU customers and uk's fishermen are both being shot in the foot.

I think these are short term hiccups, but the uk govt is not always good at helping small businesses, so some will go under before the problems are ironed out probably, sadly.

labour could make a plank of their next manifesto to reduce the red tape, that's the benefit of a democracy, we the voter get a say. if labour pass it up then sure Nigel's new party will take up the reins.

 

[Kroffe]

Was not aware they were called Sandwich artists.

 

[Kroffe]

Cant edit the comment anymore, but i feel the need to add that one of the comments called it Salvador Deli.
That is all.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Clarkson apparently called the production guy a 'Lazy, useless Irish c*nt'. So he deserved sacking. But yes, I still can't help liking his TV shows.

Well I've always said, if you're going to rip into someone, you may aswell make it a zinger. I'm the same, I don't suffer fools. May aswell just say what you really think, life is too short for pussyfooting.

Thing is, I'll take it too. I'd rather know what someone was really thinking and have it out than for them to snidely make comments behind my back.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

A report from a UK business that is finding trade with the EU massively more inefficient and bureaucratic, and dogged by red-tape, extra costs and problems, to the point where elements of the business are either non-viable or will lead to higher prices for customers.

This is being repeated hundreds of times all across the UK, and it's all going to fall out of the woodwork in the weeks and months to come.

Also note that this guy DID EVERYTHING HE WAS TOLD TO IN ORDER TO PREPARE, all the details are in the thread linked below, his business is still being strangled to death.

Real UK businesses, real UK jobs - all being lost to Brexit.

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[ChopleyIOM]

And more. Project Fear we were told.

Project Reality.

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[Slottery]

Dunno what everything these peeps have prepared if it came as surprise that there customers in EU do have extra charges when goods need to be declared and VAT paid, depending of what goods are received and their value.

I could tell this would be most probably happen and quite a long time ago, it's pretty the same as with all other third nation countries, and this guy who runs a business and says he's been preparing everything he could and heard about this few days ago?

I think everybody has got a point that there are many new things that exists now compare to pre-brexit, but if these guys really run international businesses and they only a few weeks after brexit realize their customers in EU do get extra charges, i wouldn't call that they "did everything they could to prepare" if most of the surprises he's mentioning have been there to be prepared long time and once brexit got done, just go through which charges and changes do apply. If you have prepared yourself for similar charges and bureaucracy than companies who direct sell from China to EU, what huge surprises there can be?

Really start to question these companies business planning skills if every change come as surprise and kill their businesses. Most of the companies have loads of things planned if XYZ happens, even they never would but making having these plans ready to take in place when something must change, is quite normal practice and risk control but if you never bother to plan some unforeseen or seen changes which could happen, then you always end up to be fcked when whatever happen. In small business where there is no international board of directors, shareholders to get all changes approved, you can change your whole business when you decide middle your breakfast or if you are not cabable to run it anymore, just stop it and do something else. There still are some people who been struggling over 20 years when they lost their businesses and purely because EU and loss of own currency, some others might have used that time make their business sustainable or just stop it and do something else, instead of keep complaining things you have no power to change.

 

[CC07]

Two weeks in and already there is a delay on my monthly dog food delivery

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Dunno what everything these peeps have prepared if it came as surprise that there customers in EU do have extra charges when goods need to be declared and VAT paid, depending of what goods are received and their value.

I could tell this would be most probably happen and quite a long time ago, it's pretty the same as with all other third nation countries, and this guy who runs a business and says he's been preparing everything he could and heard about this few days ago?

I think everybody has got a point that there are many new things that exists now compare to pre-brexit, but if these guys really run international businesses and they only a few weeks after brexit realize their customers in EU do get extra charges, i wouldn't call that they "did everything they could to prepare" if most of the surprises he's mentioning have been there to be prepared long time and once brexit got done, just go through which charges and changes do apply. If you have prepared yourself for similar charges and bureaucracy than companies who direct sell from China to EU, what huge surprises there can be?

Really start to question these companies business planning skills if every change come as surprise and kill their businesses. Most of the companies have loads of things planned if XYZ happens, even they never would but making having these plans ready to take in place when something must change, is quite normal practice and risk control but if you never bother to plan some unforeseen or seen changes which could happen, then you always end up to be fcked when whatever happen. In small business where there is no international board of directors, shareholders to get all changes approved, you can change your whole business when you decide middle your breakfast or if you are not cabable to run it anymore, just stop it and do something else. There still are some people who been struggling over 20 years when they lost their businesses and purely because EU and loss of own currency, some others might have used that time make their business sustainable or just stop it and do something else, instead of keep complaining things you have no power to change.

With respect though Slottery, you're kind of missing the point here.

First off you have to remember how incredibly late in the day 'THE DEAL' was finalised, literally giving businesses less than a week to be informed of what the actual trading relationship with the EU was going to be, so there were some things they could prepare and plan for, but many things that were simply unknown.

Beyond that however, that's not the point. Let's say those businesses cited above did miss some stuff, or make some mistakes, or not prepare for some things that they could have done, the whole sales pitch of Brexit was that absolutely none of this shit would happen at all.

Brexit was (amongst many other nonsenses) about SETTING BUSINESS FREE, and A MASSIVE TRADING BOOST FOR GLOBAL BRITAIN, and there would absolutely be no detriment to businesses in trading with the EU, we'd have all the same benefits of being an EU member and more besides. (And yes I know that has always been an obvious pile of horseshit, and many people pointed this out at the time, but there was absolutely zero acknowledgement, and indeed a direct repudiation of such warnings by the Leave side with all of their 'Project Fear' posturing.)

So everything that is now coming to pass exposes the absolute rotten lies at the heart of the Leave campaign, the point isn't that some UK businesses might not have prepared as well as they could have done, it's that so many of them are going to be well and truly sunk by a Brexit that was sold on lies.

Now the lies are being revealed, it's too late to do anything about it, and it's the UK, and its people, that will pay the price.

 

[Slottery]

If you somebody wouldn't be able to see this comming and keep still crying that this wasn't reading in bus side, maybe it's better to do somethingelse than run business. If anyone seriously say that this came just surprise from sky, have know idea how they think survive in any business when something change. I can repeat that i'm amazed that somebody who have international business get it as a surprise last week that their customers need to pay these fees (and they have done everything possible... i could google them more information about international trading regulations in 15 minutes they seem to know after doing everything possible). Majority of this crying from different business owner is quite a lot self made stupidity.

Yes, all get point that these changes were bad for many but it's just pure incapability if somebody say that they couldn't see this coming or have done everything possible and now get something as surprise.

Like said, there are still people in Finland who blame over 20 year old ago happened this instead of trying to do something. Hope these surprised business owners really do something else than complain next week again what they can't do anymore. It's jut pure stupidity to keep telling that this wasn't supposed to happen, were told lies etc... if you have your business to run, being martyr in papers don't create huge revenue, does it?

When some deal is made really date, everyone with business and brains, make themselves ready to multiple different scenarios, not waiting till last minute and then get all as surprise. Loads of companies were able to see these kind of optinos coming, they changed their businesses a lot to comply with new regulations, some others seem to decide not to do anything and get in shite what they cry now.