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Played this just over a week ago on £5 as I’d had a good month. Up and down balance so raised to £10, in comes the bonus. It paid 1.9x I was gutted, the rows were really low and I think in the first 9 spins it gave 1 win. I haven’t played it since and not sure I ever will again. It knew it was a high stake and knew exactly what it was doing. If you go to my YouTube savvygamblers, then you can see it play out in all its glory.
 
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What I am saying is how come it’s frequent on millionaire but almost a fallacy on Bonanza. They both have the same amount of permutations possible (subsidiaries of 117,649). How can that be unless something we don’t know about is factored in. The way you have worded the above “there are rules on how often the top prize is available” does contradict what you said previously that every outcome has to be available on every spin. Not looking for an argument just curious:).

It doesn't contradict anything - it backs it up. It means that not only must it be possible in every spin, but the chance can't be 1 in 1 trillion - it has to be within a prescribed limit.
And just because two games have the same number of permutations, does in no way mean that they have the same maths. There are thousands of games that use 25 win lines on a 5x3 grid - does that mean these should all have identical maths? No of course not.
 
So if a slot is purposely capped/ gimped to selectively award the best outcomes, that rather sounds like.............
I don't believe i've said anywhere that a slot is gimped. And a slot is only capped either by the maximum win allowed in the country it is operating, or by the design of the game (i.e a full screen of wilds on Playboy would be the maximum win).
 
It doesn't contradict anything - it backs it up. It means that not only must it be possible in every spin, but the chance can't be 1 in 1 trillion - it has to be within a prescribed limit.
And just because two games have the same number of permutations, does in no way mean that they have the same maths. There are thousands of games that use 25 win lines on a 5x3 grid - does that mean these should all have identical maths? No of course not.
But the chance of seeing the 117,649 in the bonus rounds should be the same or not? If not why? If it’s available it is being selected from the same amount of possibilities. Or is the amount of ways irrelevant and just a smokescreen?
 
I don't believe i've said anywhere that a slot is gimped. And a slot is only capped either by the maximum win allowed in the country it is operating, or by the design of the game (i.e a full screen of wilds on Playboy would be the maximum win).
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Played this just over a week ago on £5 as I’d had a good month. Up and down balance so raised to £10, in comes the bonus. It paid 1.9x I was gutted, the rows were really low and I think in the first 9 spins it gave 1 win. I haven’t played it since and not sure I ever will again. It knew it was a high stake and knew exactly what it was doing. If you go to my YouTube savvygamblers, then you can see it play out in all its glory.

If you think it can’t do this on a low stake then think again!!
 
But the chance of seeing the 117,649 in the bonus rounds should be the same or not? If not why? If it’s available it is being selected from the same amount of possibilities. Or is the amount of ways irrelevant and just a smokescreen?

Why should it be the same? They are different games. What makes you think that different games should have the same maths?
 
Why should it be the same? They are different games. What makes you think that different games should have the same maths?
Because they both have 117,649 as the max ways. Therefore they have the same amount of permutations possible. You are obviously telling me that the amount of ways that drop in are controllable via the maths.
 
Because they both have 117,649 as the max ways. Therefore they have the same amount of permutations possible. You are obviously telling me that the amount of ways that drop in are controllable via the maths.
but the distribution isnt equal
 
Because they both have 117,649 as the max ways. Therefore they have the same amount of permutations possible. You are obviously telling me that the amount of ways that drop in are controllable via the maths.

Of course they are controllable... if I was doing that style of game, I would also "control" the number of ways it could give. You'll notice it's in inverted commas because it's not really controlled.. But it does mean that the number of ways you get is likely not evenly distributed and is weighted.

For example, I might have the chance of 7 symbols on each reel as 1 in 50 on one game, but 1 in 25 on the other. Still randomly determined, but clearly not the same.
 
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Of course they are controllable... if I was doing that style of game, I would also "control" the number of ways it could give. You'll notice it's in inverted commas because it's not really controlled.. But it does mean that the number of ways you get is likely not evenly distributed and is weighted.

For example, I might have the chance of 7 symbols on each reel as 1 in 50 on one game, but 1 in 25 on the other. Still randomly determined, but clearly not the same.
Because if you don’t programme slots it’s the logical way to think. How is a player supposed to differentiate between slots that have the same “ways”. We are not given that kind of info. How would each individual spin select the amount of ways?
 
But isnt that a bit like thinking, both these care are blue and have 4 wheels, surely they drive the same way
Everyone knows blue cares drive the same
 
Everyone knows blue cares drive the same
if you ever win a blue Porsche in an online contest, I'll drive it , and you take out a a blue Honda Civic....drag winner gets registration and plates :P
 
It was mentioned when Millionaire was released that the maximum ways would happen far more frequently in the bonus round than in Bonanza or Chilli.
Yes and I am asking the question of how as all 3 have the same permutations of ways unless something prevents that from happening. It’s what prevents it I want to know.
 
but both trance and I answered that...weight/distribution.
We can always go back to the jellybean bag. Both bags contain 25 jellybeans. Given the same amount of dips into a 25 jellybean bag will produce different results if one bag has 5 red jellybeans and 20 green and the other bag has 10 red jellybeans and 15 green - it wont matter if dips, bags and jellybeans are similar if the distrubution differs.
 
It doesn't contradict anything - it backs it up. It means that not only must it be possible in every spin, but the chance can't be 1 in 1 trillion - it has to be within a prescribed limit.
And just because two games have the same number of permutations, does in no way mean that they have the same maths. There are thousands of games that use 25 win lines on a 5x3 grid - does that mean these should all have identical maths? No of course not.
No but it does mean every spin displays a 5x3 grid (megaways is obviously different) and is this how BTG get around how often the jackpot is available because if the multiplier potentially has no limit how can anyone say what the jackpot is?
 
Because if you don’t programme slots it’s the logical way to think. How is a player supposed to differentiate between slots that have the same “ways”. We are not given that kind of info. How would each individual spin select the amount of ways?

I have no idea how the actual maths works, but my guess it's that at the start of every spin there is a chance for each reel too be either 2,3,5,6 or 7 high. Each reel could be independent in that the chance of each reel being a certain number of symbols high has no bearing on the reel stop position, and also no bearing on what any other reels do.

For instance, the game picks a random reel position of 27. Then it decides, for that reel, how many symbols to show in view.
 
This issue since last weeks it’s just a black screen it’s annoying though cos I like to play on app rather than desktop. Spoke to cs they just said they weren’t aware of any issues. And I have iPhone also so it’s not just you :-)
 
Is anyone else having issues playing Bonanza on an iPhone? I’ve tried a few different sites and it won’t load :confused:
Yes Bonanza used to be one of the BTG slots that caused minimal problems on an iPhone but lately it’s as bad as DHV and Chilli which are both painful to load. The strange thing is that depending where you play these games have different platforms (I think that’s the right word). Why is this? I find once you have issues with a game on you phone sometimes it’s impossible to cure. I liked Rizk casino but no longer play there as my favourite game won’t load and at Casumo I can no longer load Netent games (I suppose I should be grateful really:p). Tbh it is starting to spoil the enjoyment. Also when I exit a game and go back to the lobby I am nearly always logged out yet my game play records fine. Do you find any other bug/issues generally?
 
Yes Bonanza used to be one of the BTG slots that caused minimal problems on an iPhone but lately it’s as bad as DHV and Chilli which are both painful to load. The strange thing is that depending where you play these games have different platforms (I think that’s the right word). Why is this? I find once you have issues with a game on you phone sometimes it’s impossible to cure. I liked Rizk casino but no longer play there as my favourite game won’t load and at Casumo I can no longer load Netent games (I suppose I should be grateful really:p). Tbh it is starting to spoil the enjoyment. Also when I exit a game and go back to the lobby I am nearly always logged out yet my game play records fine. Do you find any other bug/issues generally?

Rizk has one of the buggiest sites I've played at - hence why they don't see anything anymore. Got fed up with them telling me it was my connection etc:rolleyes:

Was playing at another site and it wouldn't load on the phone, was ok on the laptop. The QF version of Bonanza nearly takes as long as a Netent to load for some reason as well.

Mainly playing at Redbet atm and not many issues, if any - there was a black screen when booted up in Chrome but when i reinstalled it, seemed to work OK.
 
Rizk has one of the buggiest sites I've played at - hence why they don't see anything anymore. Got fed up with them telling me it was my connection etc:rolleyes:

Was playing at another site and it wouldn't load on the phone, was ok on the laptop. The QF version of Bonanza nearly takes as long as a Netent to load for some reason as well.

Mainly playing at Redbet atm and not many issues, if any - there was a black screen when booted up in Chrome but when i reinstalled it, seemed to work OK.
Yeah I too got fed up with being told the fault is with me when the same game plays fine at another site. If there is anything these casinos can do in the shape of maintenance/bug fixing they really didn’t ought to take complaints lightly as a lot of customers myself included will just play elsewhere.
 
Yeah I too got fed up with being told the fault is with me when the same game plays fine at another site. If there is anything these casinos can do in the shape of maintenance/bug fixing they really didn’t ought to take complaints lightly as a lot of customers myself included will just play elsewhere.

I don't know about others but I'm still perplexed why it was agreed that QF wouldn't have autoplay on the game. I play Bonanza every session and i simply don't want to play it without it - so, aside from one exception, i don't play on sites that just have QF.

Exactly, all it takes is to play a few sessions with lag/disconnects and you'll find yourself not returning. It's more the fact that they don't take any complaints seriously, they just trot out the standard clear cache/internet connection line.

Lets be honest - most casinos are getting pretty similar in terms of withdrawal times/lack of bonus's :p so it's logical you'll just avoid the laggy/buggy places (hello, Slotsmillion and the servers hosted in the backgarden)
 
But isnt that a bit like thinking, both these care are blue and have 4 wheels, surely they drive the same way
No it’s not if we are going to speak hypothetically. Then both cars have a 117,649cc engine but they perform totally different due to the fact the mechanics have tampered with them but won’t tell us what they have done.
 
A new level of bad managed last night. £0 won from 17 spins. What the actual fuck
Yeah so many awful bonuses full stop on Btg games lately.
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I am starting to wonder if slotting is worthwhile. What with the constant disconnections, problems loading their games, having to wade through so many crap bonuses in the hope you might see one good one. Certainly not as entertaining as it used to be.
 
Of course they are controllable... if I was doing that style of game, I would also "control" the number of ways it could give. You'll notice it's in inverted commas because it's not really controlled.. But it does mean that the number of ways you get is likely not evenly distributed and is weighted.

For example, I might have the chance of 7 symbols on each reel as 1 in 50 on one game, but 1 in 25 on the other. Still randomly determined, but clearly not the same.
Yet in reality the chances of hitting 7 symbols on the first reel are 1 in 6. On the second reel 1 in 5 and so on. Either way if you are influencing the amount of times this can occur compared to the times it should naturally occur then I don’t see how that passes as being random. It’s weighted and weighted= you know. By my reckoning the chances of hitting the 117,649 is 22,500 to 1 so you would have to say it actually occurs in the base game more often than it should but to never occur in bonus tells you something. On the flip side I have hit it back to back in the bonus on millionaire which again tells me it’s more controlled than random. Just my thoughts:rolleyes:.
 
Anyone else last night getting none stop GOL and OLG GLO and GO also was super glitchy on both sites I was playing on. Also this slot defo goes on shit runs the bonuses have been dog turd last night near enough 10 dead spins then 2 spins that weren’t dead it’s a mind fuck though cos I can’t stop playing bonanza and chasing gold is akin to chasing the dragon you just can’t stop haha
 
Had five quid bonus, several four quids this morning. All rubbish - had my fix for the week so iv got a 100 left that I’m just gonna 18p DOA it on.

Base game was good though so managed to make a modest withdrawal. Though when you get several high ish stake Golds you really need to be hitting as next time it’s a desert... :-(
 
I think I’m done with this slot now, I usually play it every day.

But there is no enjoyment in spinning for 2 hours, sometimes manually, on a boring base game for an eventual 10x-25x bonus win.

Also DHV has went below 50%rtp all of a sudden and the new offerings are just painful.

I’m getting more joy from Netent and MG lately. Two 1000x wins in a few days and a full weekend on a deposit at a viper casino finished with a withdrawal has made me rethink my gaming.

The Megaways saturation is getting out of hand. It promises big things but rarely delivers and it’s the same older suppliers and slots that give the huge wins.
 
Yet in reality the chances of hitting 7 symbols on the first reel are 1 in 6. On the second reel 1 in 5 and so on. Either way if you are influencing the amount of times this can occur compared to the times it should naturally occur then I don’t see how that passes as being random. It’s weighted and weighted= you know. By my reckoning the chances of hitting the 117,649 is 22,500 to 1 so you would have to say it actually occurs in the base game more often than it should but to never occur in bonus tells you something. On the flip side I have hit it back to back in the bonus on millionaire which again tells me it’s more controlled than random. Just my thoughts:rolleyes:.

I've explained how weighting things can be random multiple times. Random does NOT necessarily mean evenly weighted - it means randomly determined.
 

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