New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[ChopleyIOM]

No one's denying it's capable of shitter's - as you've said, from previous posts back to when you've said, that's been the case

However, as a almost daily player for 5-6 years:

- You could meet wagering on 30x, quite often: not so much now. If ever.
- The shift from 250-500x wins to now 1000x (I've had more 1000x plus wins in 2 years at the expense of those 250-750x - the variance has, in my lack of spreadsheet data backed up opinion, has been ramped up

The time taken between bonus's is on a par from the original. -you'll go 3000 spins, see none, and then get 6 in 200.

For me it's the variance that's been shifted up a notch - hence the lack of wagering plus points.

Anyone who's played the game on a regular basis will probably attest to that.

But it meets 96%....so Saul Goodman

Feature variance might have changed, and for me it's the only thing that could have been changed, because all the other stats still check out exactly how they always have done (which means there's very little wiggle room for what parameters have been tweaked). I'm one of the few people here who actually bothers to track stats on the game from time to time (as I did back when I made videos about it on my old channel, starting in 2018), and whenever I do so, they always land about where you'd expect.

Personally I'm not convinced (more than anything I just don't see the point of BTG doing that). but I can't present any statistical evidence (and certainly not enough of it) to draw any conclusions in that regard.

IIRC @Reelsoffun has some very good data on the game as he's a committed stats tracker, I'd be interested to see what his results look like in terms of feature pay distribution.

 

[goatwack]

Wow, trawling back 6 years to prove a point.

I need some serious motivation lessons

Strangely enough, reread the thread from the beginning myself the other day, but stopped not long after around page 100, having largely skimmed the last half of that.

Interesting to see, that early optimism and wonderment, soon replaced by doubt from around page 4.

By page 11, people were calling it full-on rigged, and by June '17 it was pretty much the antichrist!

Nothing new when all's said and done. And yet despite all this, it still appeared to be far removed from whatever version seems to be in play now, post-Evo.....

 

[dunover]

I'll be bringing you a video of Bonanza 2 (Bonanza Falls) in the not-too-distant future. It makes the present volatility look like Starb*rst's. Mind you, over 93k x potential. P.S. I have heard after all the rumours that Scientific Games have Bonanza in their game data sheet as a medium-high variance game with a 12,000x TOP PRIZE!!!

Now that was ermmm... beaten with a 14,400x fantasy hit back in 2017 which has not been seen since as far as we know. Something odd here.

 

[pinnit2014]

Feature variance might have changed, and for me it's the only thing that could have been changed, because all the other stats still check out exactly how they always have done (which means there's very little wiggle room for what parameters have been tweaked). I'm one of the few people here who actually bothers to track stats on the game from time to time (as I did back when I made videos about it on my old channel, starting in 2018), and whenever I do so, they always land about where you'd expect.

Personally I'm not convinced (more than anything I just don't see the point of BTG doing that). but I can't present any statistical evidence (and certainly not enough of it) to draw any conclusions in that regard.

IIRC @Reelsoffun has some very good data on the game as he's a committed stats tracker, I'd be interested to see what his results look like in terms of feature pay distribution.

Well that's the thing, whilst i think the variance has been altered, i don't think it's THAT different to that of the past. It just buggers you within a different timeframe, but bugger you it will. Where i will say i have noticed the difference is that it used to be a decent wagering slot.

Without formal tracking i'd say the x win average is lower but my highest X wins have been more than the early years (1000-5000x in the base game).

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

You’ve hit 5000x in the base???

 

[pinnit2014]

You’ve hit 5000x in the base???

Yep, last year - diamonds in the base - think was June ish time last year - posted on here somewhere

 

[pinnit2014]

You’ve hit 5000x in the base???

Found it

Unibet - like Jono, any excuse

 

[pinnit2014]

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Jeez my record base hit is just over 700x

 

[ChopleyIOM]

What very few people know is that pinnit did a deal with dunover and now plays the special affiliate version of the game.

 

[dunover]

What very few people know is that pinnit did a deal with dunover and now plays the special affiliate version of the game.

Well he's got the better of the deal as my best base game hit was 1040x (once, the rest have all been around the 400x mark) and in the bonus 3628x. I have never come close to 5.5k x in 7 years.

 

[pinnit2014]

I could play it for another 20 years and never get close - before that i had a full red gem sweep that was 1100x ish. Had one other 1000x in the base game but yeah hard to see, when you see it play so badly, how you could ever get close to that again.

That 5.5k hit was weird - there was a whack of diamonds on the right and then some wins started to shift a few and add a few more on the left reels - basically then just needed one diamond on the first - i'd the TV on at the time and just went 'aye right' and then what caught my eye was the diamonds on the last reel disappear/explode.

Now you can't even see a 200x with a x17 multi in the bonus. I dread getting 17 spins now

 

[Muppet]

Game was just bad for me when it first came out. But you could still count on it to get wagering done. These days you would be lucky to get decent game time from a single deposit. Of course the one who did two sessions with around a total of 30k spins will say otherwise. But those who play the game frequently will know that it's different.

It is so weirdly programmed now compared to the past. I haven't gotten a single retrigger in the last 2 years of play which is bonkers really. That's probably well over a 1000 bonuses. Then you have sessions where whenever the bonus is triggered directly without needing cascades. You can have G O L with the whole reels empty and you will still not get a D to drop. Sessions where bonuses only trigger through cascades. And the weirdest one was sessions only where the bonuses comes in with a double L + D cascade drop. Sessions where max megaways keeps dropping but pays 0, or sessions where there won't see a single max megaways. Another thing I noticed is that the blue gem never pays.

There are many more 'patterns' that regulars of these games will notice, I am just not bothered to list them all. 'why do you still play it if it is so bad'. Its gambling + addiction you knob, people will still smoke/drink when they know its bad for them. I myself have reduced my gametime on bonanza but still give it a go once in a while but the game is just dogshit now.

ps: If I am obsessed with someone who I perceive as a nutcase am I the nut myself?

 

[kennygamerboy]

Shitters one on rhino and the other coral filth for £1 not impressed at all seems I'm stuck on 20x and below shitter server

 

[pinnit2014]

Game was just bad for me when it first came out. But you could still count on it to get wagering done. These days you would be lucky to get decent game time from a single deposit. Of course the one who did two sessions with around a total of 30k spins will say otherwise. But those who play the game frequently will know that it's different.

It is so weirdly programmed now compared to the past. I haven't gotten a single retrigger in the last 2 years of play which is bonkers really. That's probably well over a 1000 bonuses. Then you have sessions where whenever the bonus is triggered directly without needing cascades. You can have G O L with the whole reels empty and you will still not get a D to drop. Sessions where bonuses only trigger through cascades. And the weirdest one was sessions only where the bonuses comes in with a double L + D cascade drop. Sessions where max megaways keeps dropping but pays 0, or sessions where there won't see a single max megaways. Another thing I noticed is that the blue gem never pays.

There are many more 'patterns' that regulars of these games will notice, I am just not bothered to list them all. 'why do you still play it if it is so bad'. Its gambling + addiction you knob, people will still smoke/drink when they know its bad for them. I myself have reduced my gametime on bonanza but still give it a go once in a while but the game is just dogshit now.

ps: If I am obsessed with someone who I perceive as a nutcase am I the nut myself?

The game goes through phases: you'll not see a plus 5 for months an then you get a flurry of them. Sometimes the D's drop in the cascades, other times it's just 'rolling in' for the bonus - for a while, for example, i had L and D come in the same cascade for about 5/15 bonus's.

The wagering difference is IMO the biggest difference - When i played at Betat, they gave a lot of bonus's and Bonanza was my go to for wagering. Frequently, you met even a x30 with a bit of luck on the game. Now, you'd struggle to meet x10.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The game goes through phases: you'll not see a plus 5 for months an then you get a flurry of them. Sometimes the D's drop in the cascades, other times it's just 'rolling in' for the bonus - for a while, for example, i had L and D come in the same cascade for about 5/15 bonus's.

The wagering difference is IMO the biggest difference - When i played at Betat, they gave a lot of bonus's and Bonanza was my go to for wagering. Frequently, you met even a x30 with a bit of luck on the game. Now, you'd struggle to meet x10.

To meet a 30xB WR, on a 100% deposit match, you'd need to hit nearly 97% RTP, and that's just to meet WR as you bust out, to have a respectable amount of money left over you're talking more like 98%. So if that was happening 'frequently' then all to the good, but for it to happen the slot was running over RTP for you.

I'm off work this week, and because I'm a numbers nerd I've been going back through all of my Bonanza stats I can find since early 2018 (which is when I first played it), I've tracked quite a lot (more than I thought I had TBH), plus I've got all the figures from all my YT sessions (I still have all the videos, plus the play that wasn't included in videos when I was just doing wagering or grinding or whatever but I was still tracking stats).

I can't find any significant statistical variation between 2018 and 2023, and everything in-between, feature frequency I'm quite convinced has always been 1/460 and remains at 1/460. RTP we know hasn't changed and is 96%.

Base game pay and feature pays also remain consistent, with the average feature pay landing at around 86x, AND the variance of the feature pays seems to be pretty consistent as well. I haven't finished plotting all the data out yet, and if I'm entirely honest my data sample isn't really large enough - (although it actually exists, which is, y'know, an advance of what most other folks are bringing to the table unless insulting each other (i.e. 'knob') counts) - so from my own numbers, I'm not even seeing any evidence that feature pay variance has changed, at least to any significant degree.

I mean, I'm not making this up, I have no reason to, and data is just data, and plotting all the feature pay results I have from 2018, against all I have from the last couple of years, it just all looks the same, there's no way you could pick out the 2018 data points from the 2022/2023 data points just by looking at them.

 

[Chesslover27]

when you see a good move look for a better and earn cash on Chess2Play

 

[goatwack]

God loves a trier

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

To meet a 30xB WR, on a 100% deposit match, you'd need to hit nearly 97% RTP, and that's just to meet WR as you bust out, to have a respectable amount of money left over you're talking more like 98%. So if that was happening 'frequently' then all to the good, but for it to happen the slot was running over RTP for you.

I'm off work this week, and because I'm a numbers nerd I've been going back through all of my Bonanza stats I can find since early 2018 (which is when I first played it), I've tracked quite a lot (more than I thought I had TBH), plus I've got all the figures from all my YT sessions (I still have all the videos, plus the play that wasn't included in videos when I was just doing wagering or grinding or whatever but I was still tracking stats).

I can't find any significant statistical variation between 2018 and 2023, and everything in-between, feature frequency I'm quite convinced has always been 1/460 and remains at 1/460. RTP we know hasn't changed and is 96%.

Base game pay and feature pays also remain consistent, with the average feature pay landing at around 86x, AND the variance of the feature pays seems to be pretty consistent as well. I haven't finished plotting all the data out yet, and if I'm entirely honest my data sample isn't really large enough - (although it actually exists, which is, y'know, an advance of what most other folks are bringing to the table unless insulting each other (i.e. 'knob') counts) - so from my own numbers, I'm not even seeing any evidence that feature pay variance has changed, at least to any significant degree.

I mean, I'm not making this up, I have no reason to, and data is just data, and plotting all the feature pay results I have from 2018, against all I have from the last couple of years, it just all looks the same, there's no way you could pick out the 2018 data points from the 2022/2023 data points just by looking at them.

Yes aside from Paddy battles, the game isn’t any different for me either.

Right from the very beginning I’ve been bent over and fucked hard on this game on numerous occasions across all platforms.

I mean it took me 2 years just to get 1,000x in the bonus. I’ve had about 7-8 in total (1K X +) and 2 of just over 2,000x a pretty poor return from the amount I’ve put thru the game.

As mentioned earlier in the thread my largest base win was just over 700x which again is a farce considering the volume of spins.

Certainly it seems the 20-40x range of crap bonuses does seem more common, but I’m so tilted on the game of late I think every bonus owes me 500x minimum!!

I hit this a few weeks ago. Notice the amount of spins. 1 4 scatter retrigger and 3x 3 scatter retriggers. I mean it’s ok x wise but you wont hear of many features of that ilk because it’s probably greater odds than winning the lottery.

The punishment for hitting that miracle?? The miracle which again left me raging.

That’s right you guessed it. The whole lot back and more during a 4hr wait for another feature which if I recall was a 17 spin 25x shitter.

 

[Muppet]

You tried so hard and got so far, in the end it doesn't even matter....

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Good tune. RIP Chester.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

There's a decent number of feature pay stats earlier in this thread from when BTG ran a CM comp (January 2017, so very early days), so I can throw these into the feature pay data pool. Statistically speaking they are indistinguishable from those I've gathered over the last two years, and also those stats that can be seen reported right here in this thread.

We already have the data for this stuff, it's literally right there under our noses.

You can also see, right out of the gate it was throwing 1000x results into the mix, but there are also several CM members calling it one of the filthiest slots they'd ever played, from day one, during the alleged 'glory days' before it was supposedly gimped/nerfed. interlog was so disgusted with it he had to take a time out and came very close to calling shenanigans with the game.

This isn't categorical proof of anything, and I'm not claiming it as such, but every single time we get any actual data together for Bonanza, it refutes the case of the 'it's been gimped' camp. There is just no data to point to anything in the other direction, all we get is 'I've played it loads and it's totally been messed with'. Stats are everything when it comes to this stuff, feelings don't count, human beings are notoriously bad at it when led by emotion, which is why we have data and statistical analysis to evidence claims being made.

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[PMKFRUITPRO]

Look what hills have done to the logo placement ffs!!! Covers the bloody symbols!! Don’t know why but I’m gonna try for 1 feature. Defo min stake. Can’t handle anymore brain outs. Altho probably will be!!

 

[dunover]

Look what hills have done to the logo placement ffs!!! Covers the bloody symbols!! Don’t know why but I’m gonna try for 1 feature. Defo min stake. Can’t handle anymore brain outs. Altho probably will be!!

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That should move on bigger screen sizes, I think it's dynamic like the stake box etc. moves to the left if you shrink the slot laterally then back to the right above a certain size.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Look what hills have done to the logo placement ffs!!! Covers the bloody symbols!! Don’t know why but I’m gonna try for 1 feature. Defo min stake. Can’t handle anymore brain outs. Altho probably will be!!

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When the fun stops, stop!

 

[Muppet]

When the object can't be moved by the force, stop!

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

And predictably……

250 x stake £50 on 20p with no feature.

No big win from base (25x plus)

2 ATW’s totalling 2.25x together.

21 L’s

9 cascade chances.

You just know it’s in fucked mode. I’d normally raise now. But I’m not going to. Let’s see what it costs. It’s funny how all aspects of the games ability to pay are all asleep all together in ‘random’ harmony.

I just can’t see a roll in feature or a cascade landing. So I’m gonna need the Dazza G double drop down, I’m not holding my breath.

 

[Reelsoffun]

But it took you 90 mins to lose the £50?

 

[Axlthomas79]

I’m going to stick a tenner on, 20p spins ?? I’ll let you know how it goes

 

[Axlthomas79]

Five diamonds on the FIRST SPIN. After that , nothing over x3. G O L on second to last spin. Ah well

 

[ChopleyIOM]

But it took you 90 mins to lose the £50?

This is the thing that still slightly mystifies me about this debate. There are only so many levers to pull within the confines of a 96% RTP, and in the case of Bonanza we know what most of the other variables are as well. Yes its exact maths aren't public domain, but the fundamentals are known quantities.

We know:

RTP
Average feature frequency
Average feature pay
Base game/feature RTP split

We also have a good handle on base game win distribution, and also feature pay variance (which some swear blind has changed, but none of the numbers I can find support that position).

In the long term, a 96% RTP game is, ultimately, going to take 4% of your stake off you every spin until you have no money left, so all we're doing as the player, really, is choosing how we want that to happen.

As long as you meet Bonanza on its own terms, I don't think it's such a bad game, and I'm more generously disposed towards it than I was in 2018, as the online slots landscape has shifted around it.

It's a medium variance slot with a rare feature that tends to pay low-mid amounts in the main (albeit with a higher than average pay), and has a huge amount of small win churn in the base game. So on the one hand respectable playtime is almost guaranteed, but a lot of sessions are going to grind down to zero with only rare 'streaks' of features/wins because features are rare, and so are solid hits in the base game.

Its maths are what they are, and IMO what they've always been - other online slots are available

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Update…

2.5 hrs and no feature still.

Now at 31 L’s
11 cascade chances that’s 2 more in the last hour.

Now 350x stake down but I did hit a 45x and a 60x base win….

We soldier on….

 

[snorky510238]

I’m going to keep this short, as I haven’t played for weeks and can’t be bothered with it really.

What we have seen over the years though, is very respected posters tell us, that games such as IR, RR and Montezuma, have definitely been changed (no evidence whatsoever to support it) and I have never seen a single post that challenges that opinion.

Yet, according to some, there is no way Bonanza has been changed. Oh and most of these posters have done a minuscule amount of spins.

 

[Jono777]

This is the thing that still slightly mystifies me about this debate. There are only so many levers to pull within the confines of a 96% RTP, and in the case of Bonanza we know what most of the other variables are as well. Yes its exact maths aren't public domain, but the fundamentals are known quantities.

We know:

RTP
Average feature frequency
Average feature pay
Base game/feature RTP split

We also have a good handle on base game win distribution, and also feature pay variance (which some swear blind has changed, but none of the numbers I can find support that position).

In the long term, a 96% RTP game is, ultimately, going to take 4% of your stake off you every spin until you have no money left, so all we're doing as the player, really, is choosing how we want that to happen.

As long as you meet Bonanza on its own terms, I don't think it's such a bad game, and I'm more generously disposed towards it than I was in 2018, as the online slots landscape has shifted around it.

It's a medium variance slot with a rare feature that tends to pay low-mid amounts in the main (albeit with a higher than average pay), and has a huge amount of small win churn in the base game. So on the one hand respectable playtime is almost guaranteed, but a lot of sessions are going to grind down to zero with only rare 'streaks' of features/wins because features are rare, and so are solid hits in the base game.

Its maths are what they are, and IMO what they've always been - other online slots are available

That's the thing tho mate. This is one of the changes I and others refer to.

This USED to be the case, no argument there but far from it these days.

100x starting stake USED to last easily over an hour "back in the day" easily shit that in 1/2 an hour now.

Another point (not proof) that I do feel valid though is that on those super lucky days I'd hit a Dead or Alive wild line and say win £250. Before withdrawing I would most times confidently risk a mini "Hi Roller session" in doing 100 x £1 spins on Bonanza, knowing that even if I caught it in a bad mood, most I'd look to lose would be £25-£30, usually break even or lose around £10er on the times I tried it.

I could hit a triple DoA wild line for £500 these days and would not even dream of doing this "tactic of yesteryear" - Surely from a player experience, together with common sense there has to be a reason why I don't?

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Oh at last.

Just under 3 hrs we finally hit a feature on the 36th L.

Usual bollox….

 

[Jono777]

I’m going to keep this short, as I haven’t played for weeks and can’t be bothered with it really.

What we have seen over the years though, is very respected posters tell us, that games such as IR, RR and Montezuma, have definitely been changed (no evidence whatsoever to support it) and I have never seen a single post that challenges that opinion.

Yet, according to some, there is no way Bonanza has been changed. Oh and most of these posters have done a minuscule amount of spins.

Really good point mate.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Oh fuck off u cunt…..

 

[kennygamerboy]

Vomit

 

[kennygamerboy]

Oh fuck off u cunt…..

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Seems its trolling us both tonight

 

[ChopleyIOM]

That's the thing tho mate. This is one of the changes I and others refer to.

This USED to be the case, no argument there but far from it these days.

100x starting stake USED to last easily over an hour "back in the day" easily shit that in 1/2 an hour now.

Another point (not proof) that I do feel valid though is that on those super lucky days I'd hit a Dead or Alive wild line and say win £250. Before withdrawing I would most times confidently risk a mini "Hi Roller session" in doing 100 x £1 spins on Bonanza, knowing that even if I caught it in a bad mood, most I'd look to lose would be £25-£30, usually break even or lose around £10er on the times I tried it.

I could hit a triple DoA wild line for £500 these days and would not even dream of doing this "tactic of yesteryear" - Surely from a player experience, together with common sense there has to be a reason why I don't?

I don't know what to tell you Jono, other than I chucked some real money at this just a couple of days ago and diligently recorded my stats (they're all there a couple of pages back).

The first 3190 spins saw me on a steadily upward trajectory, peaking at 387x above my starting balance, I went on to complete a 30xB WR and could have withdrawn with over twice my initial deposit, and TBH only continued because I wanted to gather as many stats as possible, and yes, I did eventually bust out - because that's what a random game with a 4% house edge will do if you give it enough opportunity to do so.

I get that my experience is not your experience, but for every cry of 'it didn't used to play like this' I simply ask for 'OK then, tell me what's changed within the parameters available to BTG' and no one can ever give me an answer. And every time I play it myself, with real funds, and record my stats, they all pretty much come out the same as they always have.

Maybe there's some of the old rose-tinteds going on with your 100x 'easily lasting over an hour' back in the supposed good old days, or maybe that was your consistent experience, but you literally just need to read the early stages of this thread to see that what Bonanza is doing now in its new alleged 'bad state', it was doing back in 2017 right out of the gate for a good number of folks here at CM. (interlog in particular got ripped a new one.)

And again, just looking at my stats from the other day, out of my 8100 spin sample (all documented in this thread), there are multiple 100 spin blocks you could have picked for your £1 'high roller' spins and either won or stayed even, or just lost a small amount, and yes, there were some stinky 100 spin blocks in there too, because of course there were.

Have a look for yourself, like I said a few posts back, I don't need to make any of this stuff up, because I've got the data to prove it.

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[snorky510238]

But I could pick plenty of 5,000 spin samples that look great. It’s the other 95,000 that friggin’ kill you.

Your spin sample is way too small to confirm anything.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

So have I chop…..

I’ve given up now at just under the 4 hour mark.

Just one feature in 3hrs 45 minutes.

I almost ticked over to the 500x £100 loss on minimum stake before a 117,649 gave me 139x as seen below.

I’ve now bailed with £30 because I’m losing the will to live.

I posted at the 1hr 30 minute mark I’d had 9 cascade chances. Some 2 hrs and 15 mins later I had a total of 13!!! 4 cascade chances In 135 minutes ffs. How the fuck are u suppose to get features when u can barely get a fucking chance at 1!!

This is what I’m saying and my stats prove it also. Altho like urs it’s from a limited amount of spins but still a good 12 hrs of solid play. Hills and paddy are both pulling their results from the same place( platform and version) U r getting the base play but where the fuck are the scatters??

Yet again woefully short of the features I should be getting am I not??

Just the recorded stats from my last 2 sessions are far to similar, the same bollox for about 12 hrs solid. Awarding just 8 features in total. And not one of them made the average. Not to mention a loss of over 1000x

It’s these regular sessions (trust me when I tell u I had numerous examples of tonight’s play) that led me to stop.

A break of 5-6 months while the wife gave up smoking (the silly mare started again) and I’m back involved giving it another go. Part of the deal was I don’t gamble while she ain’t smoking!!

And I pick up exactly where I left off!!! Fucking dreadful play, way way behind on feature frequency. Tilt central watching Dazza. ‘Ooooohhhhh would u believe it’ yeah fuck off mate.

I need to go back in retirement!!!!

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Was my bail point thank fuck.

 

[TheAddict]

What we have seen over the years though, is very respected posters tell us, that games such as IR, RR and Montezuma, have definitely been changed (no evidence whatsoever to support it) and I have never seen a single post that challenges that.

You didn't mention DOA. I always thought we had a kind of mutual respect, Snorks. I get it, I get it now.

 

[dunover]

Oh at last.

Just under 3 hrs we finally hit a feature on the 36th L.

Usual bollox….

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Yep. The "20 to 40x shitter". As I have had for 5/7 of my last features, the other two being less than 10x and one of 60x.

 

[Muppet]

86x average feature spins in 2023

Maybe I should give IR a try again, say 10k spins and hopefully get a decent session so I can lump it together with my 1 million spin sample in 2012 and claim that its still playing the same and within RTP. I won't be so silly as to play it everyday though, no no no, I will wait a couple of months and go for another 10k spin session. Maybe I will come out with another decent session. At least I would have doubled my sample size for 2023.
Will do my usual selective reading and all is good. Will ask questions and won't get answers. But there is always the 1/460 and 86x copy paste.

 

[snorky510238]

You didn't mention DOA. I always thought we had a kind of mutual respect, Snorks. I get it, I get it now.


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Yeah, you’re absolutely right to call me out on that one. They have been bastardised as well, without question.

Didn’t mention it though because I will now be accused of having an agenda without posting stats to back up what I am saying.

If I had the time and energy believe me, I would backtrack and post all my data (would take a lifetime) but I would still be accused of making it up or similar.

I know what I see, I am an exceptionally perceptive person (even if I have to say so myself). I have played as much as anyone if not more and the stark contrast, in gameplay since April 21, cannot be ignored, put down to bad luck or any other fanciful analysis that suits the “rose tinted glassers”.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Yeah cheers for that!!

Utter wankers….

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Yeah, you’re absolutely right to call me out on that one. They have been bastardised as well, without question.

Didn’t mention it though because I will now be accused of having an agenda without posting stats to back up what I am saying.

If I had the time and energy believe me, I would backtrack and post all my data (would take a lifetime) but I would still be accused of making it up or similar.

I know what I see, I am an exceptionally perceptive person (even if I have to say so myself). I have played as much as anyone if not more and the stark contrast, in gameplay since April 21, cannot be ignored, put down to bad luck or any other fanciful analysis that suits the “rose tinted glassers”.

It's not about having an agenda, I have no dog in this race, and I'm certainly not coming out to bat for BTG, who I think make dreadful games on the whole with appalling maths models, and whose slots I regularly subjected to substantial criticism on my previous YT channel where I did a lot of online slots content.

This is why I'm bringing stats to the table, because ultimately, when it comes to stuff like this, it's all about the data and what it shows. Claiming yourself to be 'exceptionally perceptive' (I guess we'll just take your word for that too?) and therefore by extension you don't need any proof for any of your claims is straight into flat earth territory.

As recently as April 2022, Muppet was telling us how well he was doing on the game, with way above average feature frequency and feature pays, so did BTG turn the old servers back on for a bit by accident, since apparently it got nuked from orbit in April 2021?

And I guess all those people here at CM who got their asses kicked by Bonanza right from the start were playing a version of the game that had dropped through a wormhole from the future? (And again, we don't need to be 'exceptionally perceptive' to find evidence of this, 'cause it's all there, with their own stats, in this thread, anyone can go back and look at it.)

I'd quite like it if I could find any data that leaned towards Bonanza having been changed over the years, because that would be rather interesting, but in the absence of any evidence beyond, 'Trust me bro, I know', I'm not going to start making stuff up.

 

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Welcome to todays session bonanza fans!!

Back at paddy today as it’s the only place I can play until 1st Sep thanks to enforced limits etc..

Todays stat sheet at the ready and a good start in the base from a 75x deposit!!

Only 20p again today so we will know exactly the spin count when we check money in and out.

25 mins in and just the 1 tease tho