New Slot Announcement Bonanza by Big Time Gaming

[dunover]

Was playing 2-up Christmas Bonanza (cos who wants to wait for a bonus and cos I'm a glutton for punishment), it rolled in 17 Spins on both at the same time. A straight GOLD roll-in, one cascade and a+5 drop. Had this before with BTG playing 3 up Wild Flower and all 3 rolled-in free spins at the same time. Most likely just a complete coincidence, but still a bit strange, does the RNG server throw up chunks of bonuses?

Anyway, 3 bonuses all paying 100x in the space of a few minutes, it must be close to Christmas ? why does it have to give nothing for the last few spins on all bonuses

Because the win-spin probability and amounts are changed according to the higher the multiplier is, a way of 'rationing' big hits and perfectly legal for online slots - you can have different reel sets and win probabilities for every separate free spin if you like. Hence my 'last-spin-no-win' comments.

You see the same in those bloody fishing slots - see how hard it is to get even 1 or 2 wins and fishermen when you are on the 10x multiplier level. Also, I have had 6OAK dimaonds on Bonanza free spins a few times, once first spin on 1x and twice on 2x. Never seen them on a high multiplier. Ever.

 

[pinnit2014]

In the main, always found the sweet spot for Bonanza to be between the x5-x7 multi - once you start hitting double digits, go turn the TV on - few exceptions but few and far between.

 

[hogexd]

In the main, always found the sweet spot for Bonanza to be between the x5-x7 multi - once you start hitting double digits, go turn the TV on - few exceptions but few and far between.

It’s the worst feeling when it racks up to near 10x multiplier in the first 1-3 spins and most of the time completely dies afterwards. Has happened to me quite a few times

 

[The Viking]

It’s the worst feeling when it racks up to near 10x multiplier in the first 1-3 spins and most of the time completely dies afterwards. Has happened to me quite a few times

Oh yeah had a feature this morning on ,60 cents
Won a massive 94 cent not kidding lol
3x on first spin then 11 dead spins
Got so pissed i closed the browser and vent outside for a coffee and fag calm my selfdown ?
But had 2 features yesterday paying around 300x so ?

 

[brianmon]

A big difference from the bonus 10 minutes earlier, which was just over 7x.

805x

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

According to Big Time Bullshitters each spin in bonus is a genuine random spin requested to the server. How much control there is when the multi is high only they will know.

However they said that about the gates bonus on DHV which may well be ‘technically’ true but when u r against such bent reels it’s more like controlled random than genuine random.

Either way, 99 times out of a hundred ur getting fucked over.

 

[aceking123]

Clearly those reels are weighted in feature, always have been, I do agree there isnt a chance that those reels are individually pulled per spin.

All you really need to take note of how crappie this slot is, read the pages here, all these pages really not showing this slot in much glory at all, other than the slot players getting fleeced & suckered in.

Never been a great fan of the game, I have tried it, just seems to scripted for my liking with a load of hype behind it, I'm still looking for any player in all these years to show the so called potential of the slot.

It's never going to happen sadly........

 

[hogexd]

So, I got my balance up to €200, went to bonanza with €2 spins, balance went down to 120, upped it to €3 and soon after got 228x on €3 bet

last spin was rubies + a wild all the way

 

[snorky510238]

There isn’t a prayer that each spin in the bonus calls for an independent result, there really isn’t. That goes for most slots though, if not all. The reason one can be so confident of this is because given all the permutations and variables, someone, somewhere, would have hit the mother of all bonuses (would have happened hundreds of times to be fair). Yet it never happens.

Remember folks, this slot was released without a “max win”, cap. That tells you, the unlimited multiplier is actually very limited. It is controlled in other ways.

Ever been surprised to hit a bonus you didn’t expect because the game seemed to be playing shite? Only to find it pay an absolute shocker, like x5. The game is in that mode and nothing will change it.

Ever wondered why a game such as Bonanza, that has (in theory), let’s say hypothetically, millions of losing combinations and a few less winning combinations, can produce a session of say 1,000 spins where you don’t get a win above x20?

Well, I hear you say, “it’s possible” and yes of course, it’s possible but when that happens time after time, then you realise it’s not a coincidence. If all the permutations were really floating around waiting to be pulled from a rng, then sessions would not be so black and white, win, lose, as they are.

Do you really think that when a game with a 10,000,000 pound jackpot, gets released, that there is the slightest chance it can be won before the game has taken at least double that in profit?

 

[goatwack]

But each spin is independent from the last. Has no one told you this?

More so on Bonanza, the most independently random game of all time!! (fact)

?

 

[Jono777]

Remember the little (and I mean little) badges on the old fruit machines where it said something along the lines of "There are certain times where some winning combinations are not possible, putting the player at a disadvantage"

Always said online stuff is no different.

 

[goatwack]

What better thread for us to vent than on Superstition Sunday. All hail the fellowship!

ps Bonanza's still kinda bent, at least more than it was

 

[snorky510238]

Remember the little (and I mean little) badges on the old fruit machines where it said something along the lines of "There are certain times where some winning combinations are not possible, putting the player at a disadvantage"

Always said online stuff is no different.

Online is different Jono, they don’t show the little badge.

 

[goatwack]

The only badge one need see when loading Bonanza

 

[gonzo fonso]

i remember it was said here that william hill was the worst place to play bonanza it played absolute awful,i can second that but last week i got that 1000x win it just tells me doesnt matter what casino you play it at,they all the same

 

[snorky510238]

Some definitely play better than others Imo. VS being good is a total myth. Yes, I used to hit a lot of bonuses there but the vast majority were sub x100 and only ever hit 1 x1,000.

The reason there has been a few x5,000’s lately is because BTG have done away with virtually all the wins between 200 and 1,000. They have literally disappeared but of course to the untrained eye/player it looks as if the slot has always been capable. Nothing could be more misleading.

 

[pinnit2014]

Some definitely play better than others Imo. VS being good is a total myth. Yes, I used to hit a lot of bonuses there but the vast majority were sub x100 and only ever hit 1 x1,000.

The reason there has been a few x5,000’s lately is because BTG have done away with virtually all the wins between 200 and 1,000. They have literally disappeared but of course to the untrained eye/player it looks as if the slot has always been capable. Nothing could be more misleading.

We can use the bolded as a general statement and agree

Something i've been thinking for a while (and said) - the 300x-600x etc hits appear to have been obliterated with bigger wins now coming in lieu. The variance does appear to have been ramped up (i've personally had bigger X wins the last few years, obviously coming at the expense of 100 30x's out of 103 bonus's)

 

[Deeisherexx]

12 spins 3x Typical bonus these days

 

[heojinus]

So many plus 5

 

[gonzo fonso]

had a crazy run at videoslots on saturday night,started with £2 spins then £4 and £5,crazy withdrawl money was there within 5 minutes

 

[pinnit2014]

5 quid stakes are the only way Bonanza's hitting above £1000

Funnily enough last week was the first time at VS in ages where i had a decent run on it: ran at 2's for a long time, got a few D's and had over 13 quid in cash back from it.

Once on the 4/5's i'm happy enough with a 100x

 

[gonzo fonso]

i went dry for 5 months,but in last 2 weeks ive had 2 big wins at william hill and videoslots,thats how it tends to be for me big wins come in pairs

 

[Schind]

Just had a 303x on 60p spins which is my biggest multiplier for a while. Had a 241x on £1 spins a couple of days ago as well.
Generally it's playing really well for me at the moment. The 303x was 46 spins after a 50x and the 241x was just 11 spins after a 124.6x. Had three on the trot in the 20-30x area yesterday but the rest have been pretty decent in the past couple of weeks.

 

[pinnit2014]

Be mindful of the fact my record for less than 30x GOLDS stands at 21 consecutively. Yep, 21.

When it did go past 30x on the 22nd one it did go for 800x but that 800x was already bought and paid for

 

[Schind]

but that 800x was already bought and paid for

I daren't think how much I've put into this game in the past couple of years. I only started counting in November and, since then, my personal RTP over 5-6000 spins is 123.57% which equates to a £347 profit.
I wonder how long I can keep in profit.....

 

[Schind]

One more quick session before bed. 200 spins at 40p.
2 bonuses. First one 16.25x then even worse - got £6.50 but £6.20 of that was the winning spin that led to the bonus. 12 extra spins - one win @30p.
Luckily I've had a good day and can smile about it. Another day and I would have kicked something really hard!

 

[gonzo fonso]

i went 5 months dry on this,yes was mostly playing at genesis global could not hit a barn door,then its like 2 buses turn up at once,thats slots for ya

 

[snorky510238]

i went 5 months dry on this,yes was mostly playing at genesis global could not hit a barn door,then its like 2 buses turn up at once,thats slots for ya

It’s not though is it really. It’s called compensatory, shithousery, at which BTG are the masters.

 

[brianmon]

Most of this (£253) came from a load of Kings, but just on x7 multiplier
The thing that makes this win even better is that I started with some freespins winnings of £5.75 and was down to £1, when this dropped in. So never even made a deposit

1388x

 

[dunover]

Most of this (£253) came from a load of Kings, but just on x7 multiplier
The thing that makes this win even better is that I started with some freespins winnings of £5.75 and was down to £1, when this dropped in. So never even made a deposit

1388x

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This annoying me now, best in 21 months (since I last hit 1000x plus) I had was just over 500x, once, and I play it every 2-3 days on average. But good hit, nice to cash a couple of ton out for 20p stakes.

 

[snorky510238]

Just for the record, has anyone hit 4 scatters in the max ways lately?

What I noticed was that: 1. It showed up way less frequently than it did about 18 months ago.
2. On the occasions I did see it, I didn’t hit a single “big win”.
3. I must’ve seen over 100 consecutive, without seeing a single scatter. Wondering if that possibility has now been removed?

 

[hogexd]

Just for the record, has anyone hit 4 scatters in the max ways lately?

What I noticed was that: 1. It showed up way less frequently than it did about 18 months ago.
2. On the occasions I did see it, I didn’t hit a single “big win”.
3. I must’ve seen over 100 consecutive, without seeing a single scatter. Wondering if that possibility has now been removed?

I’ve noticed a big increase in it giving G.O.L a lot more, sometimes even a couple times in a row where they all fall in the first few reels, but the 4th scatter never seems to drop even with cascades, even though the setup makes it look like it should easily be GOLD or GOLD +5 even.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Watch Dazzas vids over the last 18 months.

You’ll soon change ur opinion.

 

[StuLawre]

Just for the record, has anyone hit 4 scatters in the max ways lately?

What I noticed was that: 1. It showed up way less frequently than it did about 18 months ago.
2. On the occasions I did see it, I didn’t hit a single “big win”.
3. I must’ve seen over 100 consecutive, without seeing a single scatter. Wondering if that possibility has now been removed?

Believe it or not I hit this for the very first time yesterday….the first screen had no scatters but then a number of cascades dropped in the +5 as well. Cascade paid 40ishX. First spin of free spins retriggered, ended up with 22 multiplier but in total bonus amounted to just over 200x. Not too shabby but could have been so much better!

 

[snorky510238]

I am pretty sure that scatters never land on the initial spin of the 117 (@dunover might confirm). 40x off of the initial spin so a bit over x160 off of the 22 spins that followed, so extremely poor to be honest. Still it’s about what to expect off this heap of shite nowadays.

 

[dunover]

I am pretty sure that scatters never land on the initial spin of the 117 (@dunover might confirm). 40x off of the initial spin so a bit over x160 off of the 22 spins that followed, so extremely poor to be honest. Still it’s about what to expect off this heap of shite nowadays.

No, they don't land 4 at once, but rarely they will gradually appear on the right kind of spin with plenty of cascade wins, once I had +5 on a max-ways trigger. As we know, there is a version used at SkyVegas (at least when I played there) and other places where scatters don't appear at all in max-ways spins. I don't know if that's still the case at SkyVegas. You alse tend to find when features trigger with wins of say more than 10x before the spins start, then the results are crap. My record was a 137x base game win during the trigger and IIRC it paid 17x for the spins. You did quite well getting 160x ont hat trigger, even though it was +10 spins.

 

[snorky510238]

Oddly enough, when this thread was constantly asking the immoral thieving scum aka BTG, whether the Sky version was different, the game was taken down and upon its return, lo and behold, I hit GOLD in the 117.

 

[The Viking]

When you only have 4 spins left from a $30 deposit and it gives you 5 scatters then few spins later another bonus
withdrew the lot

 

[Scatter]

600x+
I started with U$1 free from partycasino

 

[brianmon]

Rather disappointing for the number of spins (17 to start then 2 retriggers).
But I was just 2 spins away from busting out

409x

 

[Schind]

It's been a right sod to me at the past couple of days.
I had 15 winning 2 or 3 hundred spin sessions out of 16 now, all of a sudden, I've had ten losing sessions on the trot. Two of my last three bonuses have been lower than 5x and the base game's gone to pot as well.
I'm gonna give a rest for a few days so it can get over whatever issue it has with me.

 

[Slotter]

I'm quite surprised really to see people are still playing this game after it seemed to be nerfed about a year ago by consistently adding in good size batches of back to back dead spins that nullify most bonus rounds. Maybe the new norm for the slot has just been adopted as new by new comers?

 

[snorky510238]

Well, the thread is progressing at the rate of 2 pages a month. It used to be 10 pages per day so it gives a fair perspective of how unpopular the game is today. It was definitely nerfed, beyond recognition. BTG should be shot with a ball of their own shit, from point blank range.

 

[johnnymcc1966]

Well, the thread is progressing at the rate of 2 pages a month. It used to be 10 pages per day so it gives a fair perspective of how unpopular the game is today. It was definitely nerfed, beyond recognition. BTG should be shot with a ball of their own shit, from point blank range.

The problem is that BTG are still operating at maximum RTP while releasing mostly shit alternatives to Bonanza. The RTP attracts the savvy slotter and the game mechanics are still popular.

 

[snorky510238]

They may be still operating at max rtp (although I would love to see genuine proof) but they have changed how the rtp is achieved. The game became virtually impossible to bonus and virtually all the big base hits have been removed.

The game became an absolute joke since Evolution took over, along with their other original games like DHV. As so many of their recent releases completely flopped, they had to cash in somewhere and they chose to hit Bonanza. They are fizzling out anyway. One trick ponies and once the audience has worked out how the trick is done, they stop paying your wages.

 

[johnnymcc1966]

They may be still operating at max rtp (although I would love to see genuine proof) but they have changed how the rtp is achieved. The game became virtually impossible to bonus and virtually all the big base hits have been removed.

The game became an absolute joke since Evolution took over, along with their other original games like DHV. As so many of their recent releases completely flopped, they had to cash in somewhere and they chose to hit Bonanza. They are fizzling out anyway. One trick ponies and once the audience has worked out how the trick is done, they stop paying your wages.

I dont disagree re the bonus distribution and payout but I wonder how they got around it? The change to Evolution was the turning point for me. The rot began there.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The thing that no one's been able to adequately explain about Bonanza is if it's been changed, then what aspect of it has been changed, and how? And for what reason?

RTP is the same, 96%, so it's not that.

Feature frequency still appears to be the same old insane 1/460 number, so it's not that.

A couple of months ago someone posted their numbers from long extended periods of play without getting a bonus, and RTP came in at 76%, which is bang on what the base game RTP in Bonanza is known to be. (And if base game RTP is the same, then the RTP allocation for the bonus must be the same as well.)

At that point all we've got is volatility, and they could have messed with either or both of the base game and/or the bonus round, but then we come to the other question, why bother?

I've been reading this thread for years and it seems to me that Bonanza has always been a weird proposition, thanks to that bonkers 1/460 feature frequency and large allocation of RTP to the base game - it's always been capable of weird shit, and it's still doing it today.

I mean, I'm not saying they haven't messed with it, but as per the list above, there's not really much they could have actually messed with!

 

[snorky510238]

There’s a lot they could mess with. Increase the amount of small meaningless wins dramatically, which they have done. Take the top off the big base hits, which they have done. Increase the amount of spins it takes to hit a bonus. That is for certain. Stick the odd x5,000 (one in 1,000 or more), in the bonus round and remove all the middle ground, which has happened too.

The reason for doing it is obvious. When a lot of bonus rounds were paying x200-x500, there would be a lot of people making withdrawals. Remove those possibilities and replace with a x5,000 and only one person is withdrawing, whilst the rest get continually shafted.

At its peak, I was probably making between 10-15 withdrawals per week. Not saying I was winning a fortune but I consistently made those withdrawals and there are several members here who could back that up, as I was PM’ing my results, daily.

I went from that to not being able to make a single withdrawal in a fortnight and this wasn’t the odd occasion, it became the “standard”.

So nobody and I mean nobody can tell me the game hasn’t been nerfed beyond recognition. I will post my stats when I have time and you’ll be in no doubt something changed.

Unfortunately, I am an extremely busy person so it may take months to trawl through everything but I’ll get around to it. Nearly 5,000 bonus rounds is a lot to scrutinise.

 

[Schind]

I'm quite surprised really to see people are still playing this game after it seemed to be nerfed about a year ago by consistently adding in good size batches of back to back dead spins that nullify most bonus rounds. Maybe the new norm for the slot has just been adopted as new by new comers?

I don't know if you're implying I'm a new comer but, as your post was directly under mine can I just say that being new to a forum doesn't make you new to slots. I've been playing fruit machines since about 1980, back in the days when 72 - 74% RTP was standard. You youngsters moaning about figures such as 92% don't know you're born!
Bonanza is the game I play the most, during the holidays I've averaged over 1000 spins a day, and I'm in profit over the last 25000 spins. I'm not playing it for the money though, it's for entertainment value and Bonanza entertains me. I've been playing it online for about three years and it's still my go-to game. I usually play Megaways as other slots apart from Slingo bore the hell out of me.
Some people on this forum love the Pragmatic games. They bore me rigid but I'm not gonna have a go at them if that's how they get their entertainment.

 

[pinnit2014]

As someone with no axe to grind and no skin in the game - left Bonanza in 2022 (shame about the previous 4 years) actually up courtesy of a 5k x hit and a few between 1-2k x, my screenshots show a lot more of 300-600x hits in the period of say 2018-2021 but had more 1000x hits in the last 18months to 2 years. Might well be the same RTP but the variance model has felt like it's been ramped up - Like Snorky says, a chunk of those middle hitting X wins have been gobbled up and put in a sink hole and almost feels as if substituted with the >1000x hits.

RTP might be the same but does that make it the 'same' game - some will say yes, as same RTP, other will say of course not - pick your poison I'd go with the latter.