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If anyone in the future gets a worse bonus in the free spins I will transfer my winnings from this FS rounds :laugh::axeman2:
 

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The sheer volume of utter bullshit bonuses on this game is unreal now. It's now banned list. 2 winning spins and the rest completely dead is a standard bonus
Dead spin rate does feel pretty high on this one. But it does sometimes drop in the max ways in the bonus, unlike Bonanza. I suppose the symbol allocation on the reels must be very 'iffy' to allow that.
 
Proof that 8 spins can pay better than more

Had a few good features on 8 spins, never gamble as its so bent,pretty sure the returns are preditermined and independant of number of free spins (unless you gamble
them up quite high, even then a lot spins will be dead).Personally i find the base game to be much better than bonanza.
 
If anyone in the future gets a worse bonus in the free spins I will transfer my winnings from this FS rounds :laugh::axeman2:
You obviously didn't see one of my videos a while back where I too took 8 spins, but actually ended up with 0.00
 
Yeah any serious WWTBAM player has had a 0.00 before I certainly have luckily on a fairly low stake at that time which took some of the pain away.

But this game does give much worse bonuses to offset the fact the bonus comes more often and some of the potential of the max ways in bonus compared to bonanza, it was said at the time that this game is more volatile than its predecessor. It can and does pay big occasionally, had quite a few 900x+ on it. I said 900+ rather than 1000x as I have had a lot in the 900 range that didnt quite make it to 1000x

But it does at times go very brutal.
 
Awesome hit, congrats!
Imagine getting the same hit on the last spin instead with a 15x multiplier.

I think its called a pentagon when it has 5 sides.
Thank you :) that’s the one it was so nice seeing them line up on the very first spin too didn’t hold much hope for the bonus and was ready to be screwed over haha I think would have heart failure if it dropped those pentagons on 15x loool
 
Proof that 8 spins can pay better than more

Ugh. I disagree. If the given bonus is set to pay, it dont matter if you take the 8, 10 or even 20 spins. It will somehow simply compensate and give alot more action on the 8 spins feature rather then 20.

I've seen it nummerous times with extra chilli. You buy a game; you just KNOW it's going to pay, dont matter if you hit the gamble feature or not, it's still going todo as intended.

The only thing random is that it's going to pay. How it gets across that river really dont matter. "You cant lose" sort of say.
 
Ugh. I disagree. If the given bonus is set to pay, it dont matter if you take the 8, 10 or even 20 spins. It will somehow simply compensate and give alot more action on the 8 spins feature rather then 20.

I've seen it nummerous times with extra chilli. You buy a game; you just KNOW it's going to pay, dont matter if you hit the gamble feature or not, it's still going todo as intended.

The only thing random is that it's going to pay. How it gets across that river really dont matter. "You cant lose" sort of say.
It’s all pre determined, I disregard anything BTG say. Unless of course the fabled ‘rogue employee’ was left at the helm again, then of course it’s all facts ‘bruv’
 
It’s all pre determined, I disregard anything BTG say. Unless of course the fabled ‘rogue employee’ was left at the helm again, then of course it’s all facts ‘bruv’

It's just ridiculous that so many slots require so much of a "play" to even hit a bonus let alone catching one that actually pays something decent.

I'd say keep this up and sooner or later the base of players will become less over time, since it's so boring as f. What good is online gambling now these days if 7 out of 10 are a straight loss.

"Oh but online has better RTP and lower costs!!!!" Bullshit. Over the last 5 years it's bin nothing but providers and casino's tampering with RTP and volatility.
 
It's just ridiculous that so many slots require so much of a "play" to even hit a bonus let alone catching one that actually pays something decent.

I'd say keep this up and sooner or later the base of players will become less over time, since it's so boring as f. What good is online gambling now these days if 7 out of 10 are a straight loss.

"Oh but online has better RTP and lower costs!!!!" Bullshit. Over the last 5 years it's bin nothing but providers and casino's tampering with RTP and volatility.
You don’t have much faith in the online gambling world mate do you?..

But agree, it’s basically the wild Wild West with the exception of a few good eggs.
 
I dont play this much but just had a bash and got the bonus @ 60p stake. Gambled up to 18 free spins then lost back down to 10.

Does anyone know if the optimum strategy to always gamble for glory?

The optimum strategy for BTG is for you to gamble your spins and lose.

Optimal strategy for us mortals is not to gamble at all IMPO. Gambled those spins and lost them sometimes 3-4 times on the trot. Then again, I believe that if you take the spins that were meant to be a losing gamble, then they don't pay anything anyway...

A few big hits came via the 8 spins... so why risk it? Not like the forum is booming with screenshots of 50 spins - let alone a mere 30 spins. Tells you a story doesn't it..

Nate
 
Always said it was a bit fishy when the game launched and they held a comp. IIRC the first person to hit the 50 spins won (I didn’t enter).

@SteveBr won the comp and I remember thinking, that’s seems dodgy because how could they even guarantee that someone would hit 50 spins. Not saying it was rigged for Steve to win but that someone from CM would hit the 50 spins and here we are a few years later and as @Nate says we don’t even see a mere 30, despite how many thousands of attempts???;)
 
Always said it was a bit fishy when the game launched and they held a comp. IIRC the first person to hit the 50 spins won (I didn’t enter).

@SteveBr won the comp and I remember thinking, that’s seems dodgy because how could they even guarantee that someone would hit 50 spins. Not saying it was rigged for Steve to win but that someone from CM would hit the 50 spins and here we are a few years later and as @Nate says we don’t even see a mere 30, despite how many thousands of attempts???;)
I remember The bandit was going for the 50 spins.
Dont remember how long it took him tho, but i know it took a shitload of bonuses.
I think it paid just a bit over 1000x.

Just like with all megaways slots, extra scatters/retriggers just means more deadspins.
 
This one I posted in the 1000x thread a few days ago...
Biggest win I've had on this and from 8 spins, the 14 spins I had before it paid £4.
I had another bonus after and it paid £16 again on 8 spins.

I nearly always gamble from 8 unless it's a 50/50, I'll maybe change how I approach this now.
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I cant even begin to understand how they fix it for rtp testing. Does every bonus perform its own gamble?

The only way i can understand it could be done would be if every bonus pays similar regardless of gambled spins, hence why 8 spins bonuses hit some big numbers., but thats my guess.
@trancemonkey may be able to help...
 
I cant even begin to understand how they fix it for rtp testing. Does every bonus perform its own gamble?

The only way i can understand it could be done would be if every bonus pays similar regardless of gambled spins, hence why 8 spins bonuses hit some big numbers., but thats my guess.

Its very easy... and no every bonus does not "pay similar regardless of gambled spins"...

Basically, you would run a very large number of bonus rounds starting with each option. This tells you the simulated value for each.
Of course, if the maths is calculabe then even better, because you know what each option is worth. You can then adjust the chance for the gamble to win/lose to make sure you get the desired RTP. So for example, if 8 spins averages 30x and 12 spins averages 50x, then you would have a 66% chance of winning the gamble and a 33% chance of losing in order to run the gamble at 100% (I.e true odds)

Its actually reasonably simple maths
 
I remember The bandit was going for the 50 spins.
Dont remember how long it took him tho, but i know it took a shitload of bonuses.
I think it paid just a bit over 1000x.

Just like with all megaways slots, extra scatters/retriggers just means more deadspins.

He never got 50 spins nor did he session the game either.

Craigslots tried it recently but don’t think he ever got past 20 as far as I remember.

Getting to 20 is pretty much a miracle.
 
Its very easy... and no every bonus does not "pay similar regardless of gambled spins"...

Basically, you would run a very large number of bonus rounds starting with each option. This tells you the simulated value for each.
Of course, if the maths is calculabe then even better, because you know what each option is worth. You can then adjust the chance for the gamble to win/lose to make sure you get the desired RTP. So for example, if 8 spins averages 30x and 12 spins averages 50x, then you would have a 66% chance of winning the gamble and a 33% chance of losing in order to run the gamble at 100% (I.e true odds)

Its actually reasonably simple maths

I think the issue is that people automatically think if you get, say 16 spins, you will automatically be entitled to a certain return. Yes, you can get a big win off 8 spins but because small wins are far more common, along with the 8 spins, they don’t register as much. If you fight to get 14+ spins not only is that less common but bad wins will stand out that much more.
 
He never got 50 spins nor did he session the game either.

Craigslots tried it recently but don’t think he ever got past 20 as far as I remember.

Getting to 20 is pretty much a miracle.
Are you sure?
I got this vague memory of him reaching 50, but my memory is pretty shit, so i may be wrong.
=)
 
2x times in a row when I tried to make 10 out of the 8 freespins, the audience was about 75% for answer C - so me. Correct answer would have been D with roundabout 11% and so I had at least 0 (zero) freespins to play !!! Anymore questions ?

I play a motoG with Android10.
 
I was put off it a while ago when the reel animations became really jerky. I assumed it was down to me using an early beta of the latest iOS, but it’s been like it for months now, and no other BTG games have the same effect.
 
I was put off it a while ago when the reel animations became really jerky. I assumed it was down to me using an early beta of the latest iOS, but it’s been like it for months now, and no other BTG games have the same effect.
Yes, I thought it was down to me also. The jerky reels being the main issue. At the same time I started having issues with Extra Chilli and Lil’ Devil, where the wilds and winning combinations blackout and the bonus rounds are not enjoyable so I have had to stop playing them.

I did notice it was fixed on one site so thinking great, I tried it on others but still the same. Any chance you could look into this please @BTG_Official_ReadOnly3.
 

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