Ask me anything (about slots)!

[Flyer187]

If I do 20 press-ups everytime I hit a bonus feature / round, how big will the guns get?

 

[lockinlove]

If I do 20 press-ups everytime I hit a bonus feature / round, how big will the guns get?

If its bonanza, pretty small and most likely worse than what they were when you started

This entire thread can be summed up with dont play and expect to win. Expect your deposit to last an hour if you are lucky as this is normally the case anyways. Just before you deposit, kiss your money goodbye. And if you win then you will be pleasantly surprised.

 

[trancemonkey]

If its bonanza, pretty small and most likely worse than what they were when you started

This entire thread can be summed up with dont play and expect to win. Expect your deposit to last an hour if you are lucky as this is normally the case anyways. Just before you deposit, kiss your money goodbye. And if you win then you will be pleasantly surprised.

Not just this thread - any thread about slots. No one should play any form of gambling and "expect to win" - if you do, you're on the path to a bad ending...

 

[joffyy]

Hi, I posted this question in another thread but then saw that this looks a better place, sorry for the crosspost.

Say I am playing with a £200 bonus from a £200 deposit, With a £10,000 wagering requirement. If the slot is 9 lines, should playing with 1 line at £5 line bet (total bet £5) produce the same kind of EV as if 9 lines at £5 per line were used (total bet £45)? I realise that playing 9 lines the lines aren't independent, ie if you get a good wild symbol that will make several lines have good wins. Does this affect things?

Thanks

 

[Tourettesguy]

trancemonky, Yggdrasil is also pre-determen all free spins at the time you hit the free spins feature. Just found out myself playing...

 

[trancemonkey]

trancemonky, Yggdrasil is also pre-determen all free spins at the time you hit the free spins feature. Just found out myself playing...

How did you notice? Did your balance go up on one browser by the total you were going to win?

 

[Tourettesguy]

How did you notice? Did your balance go up on one browser by the total you were going to win?

No, I hit free spins on Vikings go Berzerek but got "Technical failure something..." when it was about to start....and I refreshed page...and got this messeage about unfinished spins...and I could choose "Watch again" or "Skip"..pressed "Skip" and the free spins total winnings were instantly credited but never spun for me...you know what I mean.

 

[lockinlove]

Same site after said shitty run they offer me a compensational bonus. And they even said wait and see your luck will turn now. Lo and behold i win severl thousand euros. How on earth could they know?

This is a reputable site and games from the biggest providers.

This happened to me twice on rtg casino is was beyond strange

I was having the worst run ever experienced. It was about 3 years ago and I lost about $4000 on $1 spins over about 6 days with an rtp of 53%. I went to chat and complained quite heavily stating how the hell can it be so bad for so long like that. I was so pissed lol.

The chat said make another deposit and try vikings voyage. So I listened to them and went to that game and won about $3000 over the next 40 mins on that slot.

The second time it was the same scenario but with a different rtg casino. I lost about $5000 over 2 weeks on small bets and an rtp of something terrible like 40%. I asked them to send me everything I was going to hire an auditor of my game play.

They said here is a $500 free chip I suggest you try such and such slot. And over the next 1 or two hours or so I won about $6000

It was weird as hell

 

[trancemonkey]

No, I hit free spins on Vikings go Berzerek but got "Technical failure something..." when it was about to start....and I refreshed page...and got this messeage about unfinished spins...and I could choose "Watch again" or "Skip"..pressed "Skip" and the free spins total winnings were instantly credited but never spun for me...you know what I mean.

Ahh... so i understand why you think this means they are predetermined...
However, what you have likely seen is a system some providers use where, in the case of a disconnect, the remaining free spins are played out on the server after the disconnect. I know of some providers that do this - this means that if for some reason the game got in to an unrecoverable state (through a client bug) the outcome of the game could still be known, and the winnings paid.

So what you have seen doesn't necessarily mean they were pre-determined (i don't know for sure which way Yggdrasil do things) but it could also mean that the server has played out your games for you after the disconnect.

 

[trancemonkey]

This happened to me twice on rtg casino is was beyond strange

I was having the worst run ever experienced. It was about 3 years ago and I lost about $4000 on $1 spins over about 6 days with an rtp of 53%. I went to chat and complained quite heavily stating how the hell can it be so bad for so long like that. I was so pissed lol.

The chat said make another deposit and try vikings voyage. So I listened to them and went to that game and won about $3000 over the next 40 mins on that slot.

The second time it was the same scenario but with a different rtg casino. I lost about $5000 over 2 weeks on small bets and an rtp of something terrible like 40%. I asked them to send me everything I was going to hire an auditor of my game play.

They said here is a $500 free chip I suggest you try such and such slot. And over the next 1 or two hours or so I won about $6000

It was weird as hell

The thing with random games is that everyones luck changes eventually... be it from good to bad or bad to good...
Next time you're having a really bad run, PM me. I'll tell you your luck is about to change and i imagine it probably will
There is nothing "mystical" or "rigged" about it at all, although i can understand why you might think there is.

 

[Steviedoo]

Going to my local casino this week ...it offers all the providers as Canadians we cannot play...was wondering which, if any you have designed and I'll go give them a test run....i think you said igt....
Thanks

 

[trancemonkey]

Going to my local casino this week ...it offers all the providers as Canadians we cannot play...was wondering which, if any you have designed and I'll go give them a test run....i think you said igt....
Thanks

I've only been at IGT 12 months so nothing of mine will be out yet but from my studio there is Ocaen Magic, Icy Wilds, Golden Egypt and Golden Jungle and all the True 3D machines to name the recent ones.

Elephant King is also good

 

[Tourettesguy]

Not complaining about payout % or anything with Yggdrasil (cashed out over €2K from them last days but I really doubt a ANY software provider actually "play" each free spins...in sight or in the background while dissconnected or error. Since no payout % are affected or or randomness of the game Im 99,9999% sure ALL providers make it easy to pre-determen ALL free spins or bonus before you hit the "start feature/bonus" button... Why play the free spins individually? Im surprised if you trancemonkey as a software programmer dont realize the free spins/bonuses are this way at all providers?!?! Ill get you eveidence at all providers if you name one...

 

[trancemonkey]

Not complaining about payout % or anything with Yggdrasil (cashed out over €2K from them last days but I really doubt a ANY software provider actually "play" each free spins...in sight or in the background while dissconnected or error. Since no payout % are affected or or randomness of the game Im 99,9999% sure ALL providers make it easy to pre-determen ALL free spins or bonus before you hit the "start feature/bonus" button... Why play the free spins individually? Im surprised if you trancemonkey as a software programmer dont realize the free spins/bonuses are this way at all providers?!?! Ill get you eveidence at all providers if you name one...

I don't need evidence - it's my job, so i know WITHOUT DOUBT that not all software providers do it the way you think - for some reason you continue to be incapable of believing that. Why ask questions in this thread if you never ever believe the answer?

 

[Tourettesguy]

Name a few then and Ill play them

 

[trancemonkey]

Name a few then and Ill play them

IGT, WMS, Inspired, Aristocrat, NetEnt - let me know when you're done

 

[CasinoNinja]

Bet size, sound volume etc

Is it hard to remake the settings for slots for betsize and actually have an option for sound where you can reduce the volume not just turn it off and on?

Netent is by the far best provider who have these options, they have very flexible betting options and they also have a sound option to adjust the volume not just to turn it on and off which is very helpeful in my opinion.
I don't quite get why most providers only have limited betting options and no options to adjust volume, it's really annoying.

 

[trancemonkey]

Is it hard to remake the settings for slots for betsize and actually have an option for sound where you can reduce the volume not just turn it off and on?

Netent is by the far best provider who have these options, they have very flexible betting options and they also have a sound option to adjust the volume not just to turn it on and off which is very helpeful in my opinion.
I don't quite get why most providers only have limited betting options and no options to adjust volume, it's really annoying.

That's entirely down to the games providers - there is no reason why betting options can't be wider, and the volume can't be adjusted gradually.
That said, sometimes too many betting options can cause confusion - so there is a sweet spot...

 

[BlaCGaming]

Hey trance,

got another one for you:

In this video you can see a big lag right before the big hit. Now I know that some providers/casinos have this kind of lag before a win gets added to your balance, but in this case, he got previous wins with no lag, but this huge one had a massive delay. Obviously I`m not saying its not random or anything, but do you know if there are any special checks happening when someone is hitting a huge combo like that?

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Cheers!

 

[trancemonkey]

Hey trance,

got another one for you:

In this video you can see a big lag right before the big hit. Now I know that some providers/casinos have this kind of lag before a win gets added to your balance, but in this case, he got previous wins with no lag, but this huge one had a massive delay. Obviously I`m not saying its not random or anything, but do you know if there are any special checks happening when someone is hitting a huge combo like that?

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Cheers!

WMS used to have this (back in the days on JackpotParty Casino) - it was to do with the sheer amount of HTML that was being parsed. It is possible that each "win-line", in this case 4096 of them, has a seperate entry in the data passed back to the client (for validation checking) so the sheer size of the file COULD have caused this delay. It could also be just pure coincidence.

PS I happen to know that the maximum possible win on this game is a full screen (117069 ways) of Q's... It probably won't happen in our life times... but it is theoretically possible

 

[slotter999]

Trancemonkey,

I saw that IGT and Scientific Gaming recently announced a cross-licensing agreement. I've seen IGT promote features such as 'tumbling reels' and if memory serves me correctly they would have copyright notifications or patent pending type text.

My question is two fold: -

1.) Is it possible to 'patent' a game concept i.e. tumbling reels? Is this perhaps market specific i.e. US?
2.) How much consideration to you give to the legal aspects of your slot designs i.e. I've got this great new feature idea but can I legally use it?

Cheers

 

[trancemonkey]

Trancemonkey,

I saw that IGT and Scientific Gaming recently announced a cross-licensing agreement. I've seen IGT promote features such as 'tumbling reels' and if memory serves me correctly they would have copyright notifications or patent pending type text.

My question is two fold: -

1.) Is it possible to 'patent' a game concept i.e. tumbling reels? Is this perhaps market specific i.e. US?
2.) How much consideration to you give to the legal aspects of your slot designs i.e. I've got this great new feature idea but can I legally use it?

Cheers

Question 1: In the US, you can patent pretty much anything - so yes, it is possible to patent something like Tumbling Reels. However, in the EU it is much harder to patent something like that. For example, you can't copyright a game design or a feature, bonus, or whatever. Of course, because we operate in many markets, we had to make sure our game was legal around the world, so if a US patent blocked us, we couldn't do the game.

Question 2: Now there is the cross-licencing agreement (we also have one with Everi and Aristocrat i think) this is much less of a problem - it will probably put a lot of patent lawyers out of business (YAY!) but it means that now we are pretty much free to do whatever we want. And don't forget, the EU system (quite rightly) says that if you come up with something new, you always have first-mover advantage, and this is good enough anyway. So most of the time we are trying to come up with new fun, fair mechanics anyway...

 

[slotter999]

Question 1: In the US, you can patent pretty much anything - so yes, it is possible to patent something like Tumbling Reels. However, in the EU it is much harder to patent something like that. For example, you can't copyright a game design or a feature, bonus, or whatever. Of course, because we operate in many markets, we had to make sure our game was legal around the world, so if a US patent blocked us, we couldn't do the game.

Question 2: Now there is the cross-licencing agreement (we also have one with Everi and Aristocrat i think) this is much less of a problem - it will probably put a lot of patent lawyers out of business (YAY!) but it means that now we are pretty much free to do whatever we want. And don't forget, the EU system (quite rightly) says that if you come up with something new, you always have first-mover advantage, and this is good enough anyway. So most of the time we are trying to come up with new fun, fair mechanics anyway...

Thanks for the quick response. I imagine that because you are working for a US company targeting a global market you (or legal) could spend quite a lot of time sifting through patents to see if your idea is in fact original. Or you could just take the plunge

 

[trancemonkey]

Thanks for the quick response. I imagine that because you are working for a US company targeting a global market you (or legal) could spend quite a lot of time sifting through patents to see if your idea is in fact original. Or you could just take the plunge

It was time consuming yes - we would have to document the game, give it to legal and they would have to check whether it infringed any patents... it's a long, lenghty process...

 

[nikantw]

PS I happen to know that the maximum possible win on this game is a full screen (117069 ways) of Q's... It probably won't happen in our life times... but it is theoretically possible

Thank you for that info. Since we are back to BTG
You said Bonanza doesn't have reel bands, can you please describe (in as much detail as possible) how do you think it works?
What do you thing is the maximum possible base game win on this game? Do you believe the multiplier in bonus mode is truly unlimited?

Sorry for asking again about Bonanza, but its something many of us would like to know.

 

[trancemonkey]

Thank you for that info. Since we are back to BTG
You said Bonanza doesn't have reel bands, can you please describe (in as much detail as possible) how do you think it works?
What do you thing is the maximum possible base game win on this game? Do you believe the multiplier in bonus mode is truly unlimited?

Sorry for asking again about Bonanza, but its something many of us would like to know.

I think i said Bonanza doesn't "spin" reel bands, but they almost certainly use reel bands. Most of these "tumbling reels" games do use reel bands, they just obviously don't spin them through (think Gonzo, etc..)

Of course, they may be doing something a lot more complicated - like decided each extra symbol from a weighted table but my guess is there is some set(s) of reel bands at work.

And yes, THEORETICALLY the multiplier is unlimited. But my guess is they've simulated an enormous amount of features on this and know that their maximum exposure is something casinos are happy with. This is the whole "theory" vs "actuality" where stats are concerned. There is nothing stopping you getting retrigger after retrigger and win after win, in theory, but of course statistically it is EXTREMELY unlikely.

I don't want to speculate on the maximum win in the base game - i haven't played the game enough, but i would be surprised if it's as big as you think it might be...

 

[dave1888]

PS I happen to know that the maximum possible win on this game is a full screen (117069 ways) of Q's... It probably won't happen in our life times... but it is theoretically possible

That's over 23 grand on 0.20 bet!!

 

[trancemonkey]

That's over 23 grand on 0.20 bet!!

You probably have more chance of shitting a gold bar...

 

[Kadabra]

What reasoning is behind a casino stating that all of a providers slots such as Netent contribute only 50% towards play through when so many of their games are just as valid for to be included in a bonus play through as many from other providers at 100%?

Was going over this thread. Old question but thought to reply.

Two options:

The usual one is some casinos take out the games with high RTP. For example 1429 Uncharted Seas or Blood Suckers.

Regarding the specific example - I've never seen it, but my guess would be that this specific casino has to pay higher royalty fees to NetEnt than to other providers. For example the pay NetEnt 15% while to Microgaming 10% of netgaming. So they prefer players to play them a bit less.

 

[blackhole]

I'm only up to page 34 and don't know if this has been asked about already.

I’d like to ask a few questions relating to slot machine AP’s. (Advantage Players) We all know and read about several well documented AP moves like the Phil Ivey Baccarat AP move that won him and his partner millions. (Still in litigation I think) Don Johnson getting a couple of casinos to alter the rules for a Blackjack AP hit. (Never going to happen again) Card counters who still claim to beat casinos even with today’s rules and surveillance.

I’m particularly concerned about alleged slot machine AP’s. There are plenty of anonymous people who claim to make a living beating slot machines. Of course, none of them show proof of this in fear of giving their gifted math talents away to others.

They talk about certain machines that could earn them anywhere from 30 dollars per hour to several hundred dollars per hour. They claim to know when a bank of progressive jackpot machines are close to coughing up the big one. They attack these machines usually with a crew of AP’s, playing throughout the night until they allegedly hit it most of the time showing huge profits. They claim to scout machines and know when to jump in to win certain bonuses that will give them instant profits. This is just to name a few of their endless claims.

There have been posts demonstrating the math used to outwit certain machines for profit that are now no longer available. I’m not talking about comps of RFB that offset losses. I’m talking about their claims of being able to live a comfortable life beating up on slot machines.

When designing games, do you consider these gifted outside talents that claim to beat up on your design? And why wouldn’t you or others in your field take advantage of these alleged flaws?

There are also many authors like Elliot Jacobson who wrote about several slot machine AP plays. Many AP's call him a traitor to their secret trade. Do these plays actually exist? If they do, why do designers make them available?

 

[trancemonkey]

I'm only up to page 34 and don't know if this has been asked about already.

I’d like to ask a few questions relating to slot machine AP’s. (Advantage Players) We all know and read about several well documented AP moves like the Phil Ivey Baccarat AP move that won him and his partner millions. (Still in litigation I think) Don Johnson getting a couple of casinos to alter the rules for a Blackjack AP hit. (Never going to happen again) Card counters who still claim to beat casinos even with today’s rules and surveillance.

I’m particularly concerned about alleged slot machine AP’s. There are plenty of anonymous people who claim to make a living beating slot machines. Of course, none of them show proof of this in fear of giving their gifted math talents away to others.

They talk about certain machines that could earn them anywhere from 30 dollars per hour to several hundred dollars per hour. They claim to know when a bank of progressive jackpot machines are close to coughing up the big one. They attack these machines usually with a crew of AP’s, playing throughout the night until they allegedly hit it most of the time showing huge profits. They claim to scout machines and know when to jump in to win certain bonuses that will give them instant profits. This is just to name a few of their endless claims.

There have been posts demonstrating the math used to outwit certain machines for profit that are now no longer available. I’m not talking about comps of RFB that offset losses. I’m talking about their claims of being able to live a comfortable life beating up on slot machines.

When designing games, do you consider these gifted outside talents that claim to beat up on your design? And why wouldn’t you or others in your field take advantage of these alleged flaws?

There are also many authors like Elliot Jacobson who wrote about several slot machine AP plays. Many AP's call him a traitor to their secret trade. Do these plays actually exist? If they do, why do designers make them available?

Other than some well documented Russian guys that cracked the RNG of some older games, as far as I know there is no way to "Beat slots".. if there was, I would be rich!

To be honest I've never heard of Elliot Jacobson so I can't comment on him or anything he's said.

 

[blackhole]

This is old, but I'll dig up recent ones.

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[blackhole]

Just yesterday there was an AP explaining how to beat a progressive video poker bank. First they explained how to identify the growth rate of the progressive pool.

Alleged AP quote:

And yes, the meter rate is very important. A higher meter rate means it'll become a "play" more often because the royal will get to whatever your starting point. It's not linear, either. Let's say you've found a progressive and it's a $1 denom with a 1% meter. You decide you're going to play it if the royal is $4,000 above reset. That means there needs to be $400,000 in action without a royal (or 80,000 hands) in order for it to get up $4k. The chances of no royals in 80,000 hands is

(39999/40000)^80000 = 13.53%

Let's say it's a 0.5% meter, that means you need $800,000 coin in before it gets to being up $4k, which is 160,000 hands. The probability of no royals is

(39999/40000^160000 = 1.83%

If it's a 1.5% meter, you need $266,665 coin in to get it to that level, which is 53333 hands

(39999/40000)^53333 = 26.53%


That's just for the frequency of being able to find a playable progressive. Now once you do find one that's good, would you rather be adding 0.5%, 1%, or 1.5% to the royal every hand you play? If you're playing 800 HPH that's $4,000 in action per hour. At 0.5%, that's adding $20/hour, 1% adds $40/hour, and 1.5% adds $60/hour. If you start playing it when you're at a 0.5% advantage, you'd be making $20/hour in EV without the meter. Adding in the meter, you'll be making $40, $60, or $80 an hour for the respective meters.

 

[blackhole]

as far as I know there is no way to "Beat slots".. if there was, I would be rich!

Being able to successfully Advantage Play certain slot games for long term profits could be considered beating slots. I'm rather surprised by your professional comment above. Are some programmers / designers that far out of the AP loop?

If you read the link above written by E.J., it would appear that AP concerns were considered often during programing.

Quote "Over the years she has sent me numerous PAR sheets to ask for a second opinion on possible advantage play strategies."

 

[trancemonkey]

Being able to successfully Advantage Play certain slot games for long term profits could be considered beating slots. I'm rather surprised by your professional comment above. Are some programmers / designers that far out of the AP loop?

If you read the link above written by E.J., it would appear that AP concerns were considered often during programing.

Quote "Over the years she has sent me numerous PAR sheets to ask for a second opinion on possible advantage play strategies."

Sorry... I get what you mean now. And no we don't really care about this type of AP as they're doing nothing wrong. Any game with progressive jackpots will reach a point where it is in your advantage to play... Of course you still have to win it. Some games even advertise when a progressive is over its average value which no doubt encourages AP in that respect.

They aren't beating the game.

 

[interlog]

Sorry... I get what you mean now. And no we don't really care about this type of AP as they're doing nothing wrong. Any game with progressive jackpots will reach a point where it is in your advantage to play... Of course you still have to win it. Some games even advertise when a progressive is over its average value which no doubt encourages AP in that respect.

They aren't beating the game.

It is not rocket science.

Jackpot hits and of course every single spin made then is going to get closer to the jackpot. Everybody can claim that after a few million spins on a slot the jackpot is going to get closer.

It can, of course, theoretically hit the next spin after the jackpot was hit, but statistically speaking that is not very likely.

They are not advantage players, they are just using statistics in my opinion.

 

[trancemonkey]

It is not rocket science.

Jackpot hits and of course every single spin made then is going to get closer to the jackpot. Everybody can claim that after a few million spins on a slot the jackpot is going to get closer.

It can, of course, theoretically hit the next spin after the jackpot was hit, but statistically speaking that is not very likely.

They are not advantage players, they are just using statistics in my opinion.

Exactly - and the "must hit by" slots are purposely designed to get people to play them more the nearer they get... So whilst you might have a slight RTP advantage in the short term, you aren't going to pay your mortgage off because of it!

 

[roodyroop28]

Hi Trancemonkey,

got a question regarding the RTP.

Does a Slot determine it's RTP by the symbols on the Reel Strips?

For my humble understanding adding/removing a Symbol changes the amount of combinations hence the Overall RTP, or how do Slot manufactures handle this?

For example a classic 5 Reels, 3 Symbols with 10 paylines should have a different behaviour when adding/removing e.g. a Wild Symbol on Reel Strip x, correct?

Sorry if this is a noob question or confusing but I look very Forward to your answer!

Thank you!

 

[trancemonkey]

Hi Trancemonkey,

got a question regarding the RTP.

Does a Slot determine it's RTP by the symbols on the Reel Strips?

For my humble understanding adding/removing a Symbol changes the amount of combinations hence the Overall RTP, or how do Slot manufactures handle this?

For example a classic 5 Reels, 3 Symbols with 10 paylines should have a different behaviour when adding/removing e.g. a Wild Symbol on Reel Strip x, correct?

Sorry if this is a noob question or confusing but I look very Forward to your answer!

Thank you!

In it's simplest form, the overall RTP of the game is determined by the number of symbols (we call it the distribution) on the reels, and the value of any win for getting those symbols on a line / in view.

However, very very few games are now that simple... there are many ways of doing maths

 

[trancemonkey]

My new games for IGT,...

Here's a sneak-peak from Albert's Slot Channel where i demo my latest games to him...

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Feel free to comment on the video or here about them with any feedback!

 

[goatwack]

Here's a sneak-peak from Albert's Slot Channel where i demo my latest games to him...

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Feel free to comment on the video or here about them with any feedback!

Interesting video for sure, although it makes me think whether certain developers go into debug mode when it comes to my online sessions

And with the jackpot-filler type bonus, with four spins to go I was awaiting the inevitable Major stacks, and sure enough, three times in a row they were there. BUT on the last spin - nope. Didn't foresee that

 

[justroll]

difference in casino ?

Let's sat you play a game (eg. Warlods) in online casino A, eg. 150 spins @ 1 EUR a spin, and your net result it -70 EUR, will it be the same (eg negative)in casino B ?

I'm asking this question because

Yesterday morning i started with 500 EUR in my account, played the whole day, and kept score about the return,s about 85% werer postive which resulted in 1540 EUR in total;
Today I started with 1504 EUR, played the same games, same policy, and now i'm down at 75 EUR

Would it logical to CHANGE casino and play the same game..
* In other words is the RNG POOL being used for a specific game the same for ALL the casino's or does each casino have a randomizer increment on the RNG result (like a offset)
* Is the result of your spin determined the minute you click SPIN, or the time it takes to 'settle' eg. 100ms later ? Question is : is there a differencer between "clicking and waiting" & "click and hit stop immediately"

* My moneymanagement strartegy is stop at 40-50x profit in a bonus round, max 150 spins, and break at 50x BET loss in a session. Newly introduced, STOP when total loss of sesions is 150xBET. No the betsize isn't determined by a percentage, rather the amount that i'm willing to lose, like 50 EUR a game, so 150 EUR in total for a day. Do you think this approach is a good one ?

 

[trancemonkey]

Interesting video for sure, although it makes me think whether certain developers go into debug mode when it comes to my online sessions

And with the jackpot-filler type bonus, with four spins to go I was awaiting the inevitable Major stacks, and sure enough, three times in a row they were there. BUT on the last spin - nope. Didn't foresee that

As much as it might not believe me that was really unlucky. It's not predetermined. We could have won multiple progressives - on max bet you are likely to win 2+ on average.

 

[goatwack]

As much as it might not believe me that was really unlucky. It's not predetermined. We could have won multiple progressives - on max bet you are likely to win 2+ on average.

Hey I liked the statue of your good self- great touch

 

[trancemonkey]

Let's sat you play a game (eg. Warlods) in online casino A, eg. 150 spins @ 1 EUR a spin, and your net result it -70 EUR, will it be the same (eg negative)in casino B ?

I'm asking this question because

Yesterday morning i started with 500 EUR in my account, played the whole day, and kept score about the return,s about 85% werer postive which resulted in 1540 EUR in total;
Today I started with 1504 EUR, played the same games, same policy, and now i'm down at 75 EUR

Would it logical to CHANGE casino and play the same game..
* In other words is the RNG POOL being used for a specific game the same for ALL the casino's or does each casino have a randomizer increment on the RNG result (like a offset)
* Is the result of your spin determined the minute you click SPIN, or the time it takes to 'settle' eg. 100ms later ? Question is : is there a differencer between "clicking and waiting" & "click and hit stop immediately"

* My moneymanagement strartegy is stop at 40-50x profit in a bonus round, max 150 spins, and break at 50x BET loss in a session. Newly introduced, STOP when total loss of sesions is 150xBET. No the betsize isn't determined by a percentage, rather the amount that i'm willing to lose, like 50 EUR a game, so 150 EUR in total for a day. Do you think this approach is a good one ?

Some people in this forum (and probably a lot more not on here!) would say casinos keep track of you. I can guarantee you there is no intercasino colusion or compensation. All games are independent at each casino.

As for your approach, if it works for you it's good... Simples

 

[trancemonkey]

Hey I liked the statue of your good self- great touch

Well I just think humour and some human-touch is missing a bit so I thought I'd thank the Unity Artist (who left us at the end of the project) - so he's the first statue. And the second one of me is just to take the piss out of myself. I'm not THAT fat

In Tullia the maths guy is riding the Serpent. In the next game you'll be able to change the polar bear to put silly clothes on it and make it dance

 

[Steviedoo]

I'm pretty sure you've addressed this question here...but I can't find the answer so pls excuse me for asking again...the tin foil hatters are out again...especially on the btg threads....so I'm asking again...

Once a game gets released....what are the acceptable limits that the game provider can lower rtp..can they go below what was originally tested with the proper authorities....or do they need to go through testing all over again to lower the rtp beyond what it was when it got tested with the authorities that do all these checks and balances....


Also...I've noticed that the merkur games have changed their logo that comes on at the beginning of their games...do they have to go through any authorities to do so...or they just overhaul the system without any checks...

 

[4048]

Hey TranceMonkey, jackpot slots usually have increased chances of winning a jackpot at higher bets.
Is this an actual increase or just to make up for the fact that you could fit more lower bets into each big one?

For example, would I have about the same chance to win a jackpot by playing 10x 1€ bets as if I had played 1x 10€ bet?

I also had a theory that on a game like Mega Fortune, the chance to hit the bonus game is the same regardless of bet, it's just as soon as you do enter you have a higher chance at winning a jackpot. Cause giving more jackpot bonuses to a higher bet level would increase the RTP the higher you went, right?

Thanks in advance

 

[trancemonkey]

I'm pretty sure you've addressed this question here...but I can't find the answer so pls excuse me for asking again...the tin foil hatters are out again...especially on the btg threads....so I'm asking again...

Once a game gets released....what are the acceptable limits that the game provider can lower rtp..can they go below what was originally tested with the proper authorities....or do they need to go through testing all over again to lower the rtp beyond what it was when it got tested with the authorities that do all these checks and balances....


Also...I've noticed that the merkur games have changed their logo that comes on at the beginning of their games...do they have to go through any authorities to do so...or they just overhaul the system without any checks...

If the RTP setting didn't exist in the game that was certified then the maths can't be changed and the RTP can't be lowered. Most providers will do a few different RTP variants when they make the game though. Normally from about 92 to 96.

With regards to Merkur, if the splash screen is coming from the gaming server and is not part of the game then no recertification is required. Normally if you change anything in the game that would alter the package checksum then you have to recertify... Although for simple graphic changes it is normally quick and easy.

 

[trancemonkey]

Hey TranceMonkey, jackpot slots usually have increased chances of winning a jackpot at higher bets.
Is this an actual increase or just to make up for the fact that you could fit more lower bets into each big one?

For example, would I have about the same chance to win a jackpot by playing 10x 1€ bets as if I had played 1x 10€ bet?

I also had a theory that on a game like Mega Fortune, the chance to hit the bonus game is the same regardless of bet, it's just as soon as you do enter you have a higher chance at winning a jackpot. Cause giving more jackpot bonuses to a higher bet level would increase the RTP the higher you went, right?

Thanks in advance

You are correct .. in most cases the chance to win a jackpot increases linearly with the bet, especially on a game like MegaJackpots. It's the easiest way to do it mathematically and makes the most sense.

So if the chance is 1 in 100,000 at 1 dollar bet, it's 1 in 10,000 at 10 dollar bet.