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AP poll: Candidates running nearly even

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Oh lookie here, a Poll with a different view than the one and only view posted ad nauseam in this forum lately. Well how about that! :)

......according to an Associated Press-GfK poll that shows McCain and Barack Obama essentially running even among likely voters in the election homestretch.

The poll, which found Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent, supports what some Republicans and Democrats privately have said in recent days: that the race narrowed after the third debate as Republican-leaning voters drifted home to their party.

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Oh lookie here, a Poll with a different view than the one and only view posted ad nauseam in this forum lately. Well how about that! :)



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:) how about that indeed:thumbsup:" it aint over till the fat woman sings"...................laurie
 
You snipped out the relevant information regarding this poll.

WASHINGTON - The presidential race tightened after the final debate, with John McCain gaining among whites and people earning less than $50,000, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll that shows McCain and Barack Obama essentially running even among likely voters in the election homestretch.

While it's a good poll, this just goes to show that indeed you can manipulate any data to get it to show what you want, or what you want people to see.

How about this poll from an equally credible source, linked from the same page as above.. (oops, the same...MSNBC + WSJ. ;))

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Oct. 22: A new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll shows Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama ahead of his Republican rival Sen. John McCain with voters losing faith in his choice for vice president, Gov. Sarah Palin. NBC’s Andrea Mitchell reports.
 
Oh lookie here, a Poll with a different view than the one and only view posted ad nauseam in this forum lately. Well how about that! :)



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Cyn, if you really want to see the latest unbiased Polls here you go...notice how even the Fox News Poll has Obama up by 9 points !!:)
 
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I don't see that as being the RELEVANT part of the poll at all. But here you go, more from the same poll.

Since the last AP-GfK survey in late September, McCain also has:

Posted big gains among likely voters earning under $50,000 a year; he now trails Obama by just 4 percentage points compared with 26 earlier.
Surged among rural voters; he has an 18-point advantage, up from 4.
Doubled his advantage among whites who haven't finished college and now leads by 20 points. McCain and Obama are running about even among white college graduates, no change from earlier.
Made modest gains among whites of both genders, now leading by 22 points among white men and by 7 among white women.
Improved slightly among whites who are married, now with a 24-point lead.
Narrowed a gap among unmarried whites, though he still trails by 8 points.
McCain has cut into Obama's advantage on the questions of whom voters trust to handle the economy and the financial crisis. On both, the Democrat now leads by just 6 points, compared with 15 in the previous survey.
 
I don't see that as being the RELEVANT part of the poll at all. But here you go, more from the same poll.

Since the last AP-GfK survey in late September, McCain also has:

Posted big gains among likely voters earning under $50,000 a year; he now trails Obama by just 4 percentage points compared with 26 earlier.
Surged among rural voters; he has an 18-point advantage, up from 4.
Doubled his advantage among whites who haven't finished college and now leads by 20 points. McCain and Obama are running about even among white college graduates, no change from earlier.
Made modest gains among whites of both genders, now leading by 22 points among white men and by 7 among white women.
Improved slightly among whites who are married, now with a 24-point lead.
Narrowed a gap among unmarried whites, though he still trails by 8 points.
McCain has cut into Obama's advantage on the questions of whom voters trust to handle the economy and the financial crisis. On both, the Democrat now leads by just 6 points, compared with 15 in the previous survey.

How is it not relevant? The only people that were polled were white and those that earn less than $50,000 a year.....the part in front of what you posted of "....according to an Associated Press-GfK poll that shows McCain and Barack Obama essentially running even among likely voters in the election homestretch." :)
 
Relevance? you want relevance????????????? Where's the damn poll of the Alaskan Moose population??????????????Huh? :D

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If someone posts a poll, at least let us know what it's about.....

The poll was posted to make it look like it was a dead even race, no?

It sure seemed that way until you read further, (and didn't take it at face value) and found out that it was only white people that made under $50K a year that were polled........
 
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If someone posts a poll, at least let us know what it's about.....

The poll was posted to make it look like it was a dead even race, no?

It sure seemed that way until you read further, and found out that it was only white people that made under $50K a year that were polled........

thanks win..........that was kinda my point................there are only a few Alaskan Moose left because Palin, et al., killed them for Moose stew.


Is it PC to be on the animals' side? Hope so.............
 
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If someone posts a poll, at least let us know what it's about.....

The poll was posted to make it look like it was a dead even race, no?


No!

I did not create that headline. MSNBC did.
AP POLL: CANDIDATES RUNNING NEARLY EVEN

I also put the link to the newspage so you could read the poll. I did not intentionally skew it to read one way but it sure seems that you want to have folks think I did. Why is that Winbig?

And where are you reading that the only people polled were white people making less than 50 K?


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It sure seemed that way until you read further, and found out that it was only white people that made under $50K a year that were polled........

I read it that among likely voters who were included in the poll, McCain had gained some ground with white voters who make under 50K in addition to other groups. But let us let the readers decide if as you say only that particular group was polled.



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McCain Draws Even With Obama After Debate in AP Poll (Update1)

By Catherine Dodge

WASHINGTON - The presidential race tightened after the final debate, with John McCain gaining among whites and people earning less than $50,000, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll that shows McCain and Barack Obama essentially running even among likely voters in the election homestretch.

The poll, which found Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent, supports what some Republicans and Democrats privately have said in recent days: that the race narrowed after the third debate as Republican-leaning voters drifted home to their party.

Three weeks ago, an AP-GfK survey found that Obama had surged to a seven-point lead over McCain, lifted by voters who thought the Democrat was better suited to lead the United States through its sudden economic crisis.

The contest is still volatile, and the split among voters is apparent less than two weeks before the Nov. 4 election.

The new AP-GfK head-to-head result is a departure from some, but not all, recent national polls.

Differing survey results
Obama and McCain were essentially tied among likely voters in the latest George Washington University Battleground Poll, conducted by Republican strategist Ed Goeas and Democratic pollster Celinda Lake. In other surveys focusing on likely voters, a Washington Post-ABC News poll showed Obama up by 9 percentage points, while a poll by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center had Obama leading by 14. A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, among the broader category of people registered to vote, found Obama ahead by 10 points.

Polls are snapshots of highly fluid campaigns. In this case, there is a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points; that means Obama could be ahead by as many as 8 points or down by as many as 6. There are many reasons why polls differ, including methods of estimating likely voters and the wording of questions.

Charles Franklin, a University of Wisconsin political science professor and polling authority, said variation between polls occurs, in part, because pollsters interview random samples of people.

"If they all agree, somebody would be doing something terribly wrong," he said of polls. But he also said that surveys generally fall within a few points of each other, adding, "When you get much beyond that, there's something to explain."

The AP-GfK survey included interviews with a large sample of adults including 800 deemed likely to vote. Among all 1,101 adults interviewed, the survey showed Obama ahead 47 percent to 37 percent. He was up by five points among registered voters.

A significant number of the interviews were conducted by dialing a randomly selected sample of cell phone numbers, and thus this poll had a chance to reach voters who were excluded from some other polls.

It was taken over five days from Thursday through Monday, starting the night after the candidates' final debate and ending the day after former Secretary of State Colin Powell broke with the Republican Party to endorse Obama.


Maybe you would you prefer not to see any polls but the ones you like the outcome of? Or maybe only white people who make under 50 K should read this poll as they are indeed mentioned in the contents. :rolleyes:

I am out now but for the record I will add my parting thoughts on this subject.

No politician of any stripe will ever be the saviour of these United States. It is my humble opinion that they are indeed the cause of much of the ills we experience here. All of them from every party inclusive. But lately, when I see footage of women actually weeping as Obama takes the podium it sends a shiver down my spine. I am just waiting to hear that Tim Rice and Sir Andrew Lloyd Webber are working on JC Superstar 2, The Obama Years.
 
Where do I see it? Right here :)

The presidential race tightened after the final debate, with John McCain gaining among whites and people earning less than $50,000, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll that shows McCain and Barack Obama essentially running even among likely voters in the election homestretch.

Maybe you would you prefer not to see any polls but the ones you like the outcome of? Or maybe only white people who make under 50 K should read this poll as they are indeed mentioned in the contents.

Again, for the 3rd+ time. I'm not voting for either candidate. I don't think either of them are what America needs at this point. I'm still considering my alternatives. :)
 
FWIW, I didn't read the AP poll as having been conducted only among whites etc etc, and I doubt that AP would risk countenancing such a racially exclusive and therefore inappropriate process.

It's always good to have different perspectives, and you know what Mark Twain (courtesy of Benjamin Disraeli) said about "Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics" LOL - that could apply to what supporters of either side interpret as fact in this intense contest imo.

Thanks, Cindy, for a refreshingly different perspective after the weeks of being bludgeoned daily by gloating polls and character attacks on candidates for one faction. This still appears to be an open race - and that's hopefully good for democracy and a strong Opposition.

@ Chuchu - sound observation. The Republicans have been in power for two terms whilst this crisis was building, and regardless of whether most of the experts missed the warning signs, the justifiable anger of the electorate at the economic mess the world is in will not help the GOP imo.

Edited to add one more thing - the propensity for humans to be swayed by the charisma of an individual, elevating him or her to superhuman status can be extremely dangerous. History is littered with examples of the dangers and consequences of heaping too much praise, trust and power on one person...the lesson is try to remember we're all mortal..... and keep focused on the issues.
 
gotcha...my brain is kinda slow today...lol

I'm just glad to see more and more people taking an interest in this election, no matter who they vote for.
I hope they continue to do so after it's over as well. :thumbsup:

There is a lot of work to be done, but we will need to do more housecleaning in the 2010 election. :D
 
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Edited to add one more thing - the propensity for humans to be swayed by the charisma of an individual, elevating him or her to superhuman status can be extremely dangerous. History is littered with examples of the dangers and consequences of heaping too much praise, trust and power on one person...the lesson is try to remember we're all mortal..... and keep focused on the issues.

Like Reagan, for instance?
I don't think the Obama love comes close to the deification of old Teflon-Ronnie. Somehow, I don't think Obama could get away with busting the air traffic controllers union AND get an international airport named after him.
Funny how so many of the people who scream CULT when it comes to Senator Obama are the same ones who want to put Reagan on Mount Rushmore.
 
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Like Reagan, for instance?
I don't think the Obama love comes close to the deification of old Teflon-Ronnie. Somehow, I don't think Obama could get away with busting the air traffic controllers union AND get an international airport named after him.
Funny how so many of the people who scream CULT when it comes to Senator Obama are the same ones who want to put Reagan on Mount Rushmore.

Nope - I don't give a damn whether its semi-idolatry of Republican, Democrat, Julius Caesar, Hitler, JFK, Joe the Plumber or anyone else - it's damned dangerous.
 
I'm just going to throw some random thoughts out there and not direct to anyone here since folks are in such an uproar and have hidden agendas while trying to drag me in to a forum war at Bryan's forum.

Obama is a very smart, charasmatic person that has a lot of guts to be in the position that he is in! You would think that would be something that is admired in a president instead of critisized, but then seeing how Palin (the idiot) is Idolized I can see how it would be possible! In these dangerous times WE are going to need someone smart and for ALL of us!

And Palin is responsible for alot of the hate and division that we see today and even at this forum! :mad:

I'm so glad that he was smart enough to go after public donations and had the foresight to know that he would need a HUGE advantage just to rise above the BS attacks and lables bestowed upon him to this day.

When he was in Denver for the convention it was intersting to see and hear how those that attended were accused of being 'brainless idiots' or seeking the acceptance of a greek godess and frankly it's insulting.

I guess if a man is good looking he is a "cult leader type", but when a female is good looking but not that bright then she is perfect. :lolup:

Edit: This should give some insight to those around the world as to how Bush got elected TWICE! :D
 
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Cults form when members of a group or community or even a nation allow themselves to be seduced into believing that their leader - any leader - is infallible, perfect and not to be doubted, criticised or questioned on anything by anybody.

Appearance has less to do with it than sheer charisma, personal magnetism or whatever else you want to call it imo.

The Romans, and probably other civilisations before them, recognised this - hence the slave riding behind returning heroes making their way through the adulation of the crowds and whispering "remember you are mortal, remember you will die" or words to that effect.

A bit of a downer, I agree but it kept the guys grounded!

Be wary of reaching the stage where enthusiasm and passion for one view or individual blinds you to the merits of another.
 
Thank goodness those view do not apply to the average American and it is not applicable to this election or Obama.

Folks I talk to in my neighborhood that are republicans are saying that even though they are not pleased about voting for Obama, but they are willing to take a change to see if chance is possible. We can keep down this current road.

I've heard some say that Obama is the Anti-Christ as well! :lolup: I guess we will find out. hehe
 
No, I don't believe so - but then I'm discussing hero-worship in general whereas you appear to be intent on making it particular.
Point taken. But then, my original post on the subject wasn't particularly aimed at you, as I would guess you don't much care whose face is on Mount Rushmore.;)
I was speaking more towards those people on this board who seem to be freaking out over Obama and his "cult-like" sway over voters with a brain.
 
The over-zealous who are exclusively biased in one direction and determined to confront or convert others can sometimes offend reasonable people prepared to look at situations and/or individuals on their merits. There are usually two sides or perspectives on just about everything.

And character assassination by either side is rarely pleasant to watch.

The fact that a member of this forum is not an American should not preclude being involved or commenting on the US election imo. What happens in the US tends to have repercussions throughout the world, and there are many who are simply interested in international events.

Do I care whose heads are on Mount Rushmore (which by the way I have visited and been impressed)? Not especially - I'm more interested in the here and now, and if anything I tend to hope that not too many more landscapes will be altered on this impressive but artificial scale.

It seems to me that there is something of a dearth of really inspiring leaders of the ilk of JFK, Reagan and Mandela in the world today and we can only hope for better candidates in the future. Several posters supporting both US parties here have imo commented on this in bemoaning the sparse choice they have this time around.
 
It seems to me that there is something of a dearth of really inspiring leaders of the ilk of JFK, Reagan and Mandela in the world today and we can only hope for better candidates in the future.

Well, ya got 2 out of 3 right.

Oh come on...it was sitting there. You knew I HAD to do it.:D

The fact that a member of this forum is not an American should not preclude being involved or commenting on the US election imo. What happens in the US tends to have repercussions throughout the world, and there are many who are simply interested in international events.
Absofreakinlutely.:thumbsup:
 

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