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AIG ships billions in bailout abroad
By EAMON JAVERS | 3/15/09


Billions of American taxpayer dollars used to bailout AIG are flowing to some of the largest foreign banks.

Billions of American taxpayer dollars used to bailout insurance giant AIG are flowing to some of the largest foreign banks in the world, according to new documents released by beleaguered company Sunday.

The revelation seemed sure to cause political complications for President Barack Obama and his economic team, already on the defensive Sunday over why they couldnt stop AIG from doling out $165 million in bonuses to some of its top corporate officials even as the company was receiving a massive infusion of taxpayer funds.

The documents AIG released account for some of the more than $180 billion in aid that AIG has received, and they detailed for the first time which financial firms are benefitting from the federal handout.

In all, AIG disclosed payments of $105.3 billion between September and December 2008. And some of the biggest recipients were European banks. Societe Generale, based in France, was the top foreign recipient at $11.9 billion, Deutsche Bank of Germany got $11.8 billion and Barclays, based in England, was paid $8.5 billion.

Here in the U.S. , Goldman Sachs received $12.9 billion. Edward Liddy, the government-installed CEO of AIG, sat on the board of directors of Goldman Sachs until he joined AIG.

He took the position while President Bush's Treasury Secretary, Henry Paulsonwho until joining the administration had served as Goldman's Chairman and CEOarranged the insurance company's initial government bailout.

The disclosure of US taxpayer money going to foreign banks rankled some analysts. These revelations raise serious questions about the extent to which U.S. taxpayers are being asked to bail out foreign banks, said James Rickards, the Senior Managing Director for Market Intelligence at Omnis, an applied research organization. Why were French and German authorities not asked to pick up the tab for their portion of potential AIG losses?

Political pressure is also building on AIG, as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Sunday called on AIG executives to renounce their bonuses and refuse retention pay, and said that House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank would examine options that are legally available to recover taxpayer funds of companies that abuse the privilege of taxpayer assistance.

The House Financial Services Subcommittee on Capital Markets, Insurance, and Government Sponsored Enterprises has called on Liddy to testify before the committee on Wednesday.

Thats information that members of Congress and media outlets have been trying to get either AIG or the federal government to divulge since last year. The U.S. government now holds a majority stake in the bank,

AIG has resisted disclosure of the so-called counterparties who were at the other end of the firms complicated financial transactions. The company argued that such information was proprietary and private. And the Bush and Obama administrations also declined to divulge the information. But some in Congress pushed hard for it, insisting that taxpayers had a right to know which companies were benefiting from bailout money.

Our decision to disclose these transactions was made following conversations with the counterparties and the recognition of the extraordinary nature of these transactions, said Liddy.

This how many billions were spent:

Societe Generale $4.1 BN
Deutsche Bank $2.6 BN
Goldman Sachs $2.5 BN
Merrill Lynch $1.8 BN
Calyon $1.1 BN
Barclays $0.9 BN
UBS $0.8 BN
DZ Bank $0.7 BN
Wachovia $0.7 BN
Rabobank $0.5 BN
KFW $0.5BN
JPMorgan $0.4 BN
Banco Santander $0.3 BN
Danske $0.2 BN
Reconstruction Finance Corp $0.2 BN
HSBC Bank $0.2 BN
Morgan Stanley $0.2 BN
Bank of America $0.2 BN
Bank of Montreal $0.2
Royal Bank of Scotland $0.2
Total $18.3 BN

Other $4.1 BN
Total Collateral Postings
$22.4 Billion

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"Thats information that members of Congress and media outlets have been trying to get either AIG or the federal government to divulge since last year. The U.S. government now holds a majority stake in the bank,

"AIG has resisted disclosure of the so-called counterparties who were at the other end of the firms complicated financial transactions. The company argued that such information was proprietary and private. And the Bush and Obama administrations also declined to divulge the information. But some in Congress pushed hard for it, insisting that taxpayers had a right to know which companies were benefiting from bailout money.

Our decision to disclose these transactions was made following conversations with the counterparties and the recognition of the extraordinary nature of these transactions, said Liddy.


"Extraordinary" is an understatement!

More damn cover-ups....I think full disclosure should be mandatory from banks that have soaked up billions in taxpayer monies and the tough times for those taxpayers in the future that is a consequence.

They need to get these white collar crooks before a really tough Congressional hearing and obtain a real accounting for this mess imo.

Looking at these vast payments to foreign banks it looks as if they were all involved together and we now see billions "doing the rounds"

I would like to see what sort of payments are going the other way too - from European banks to American banks.
 
"Thats information that members of Congress and media outlets have been trying to get either AIG or the federal government to divulge since last year. The U.S. government now holds a majority stake in the bank,

"AIG has resisted disclosure of the so-called counterparties who were at the other end of the firms complicated financial transactions. The company argued that such information was proprietary and private. And the Bush and Obama administrations also declined to divulge the information. But some in Congress pushed hard for it, insisting that taxpayers had a right to know which companies were benefiting from bailout money.

Our decision to disclose these transactions was made following conversations with the counterparties and the recognition of the extraordinary nature of these transactions, said Liddy.


"Extraordinary" is an understatement!

More damn cover-ups....I think full disclosure should be mandatory from banks that have soaked up billions in taxpayer monies and the tough times for those taxpayers in the future that is a consequence.

They need to get these white collar crooks before a really tough Congressional hearing and obtain a real accounting for this mess imo.

Looking at these vast payments to foreign banks it looks as if they were all involved together and we now see billions "doing the rounds"

I would like to see what sort of payments are going the other way too - from European banks to American banks.
Our decision to disclose these transactions was made following conversations with the counterparties and the recognition of the extraordinary nature of these transactions, said Liddy
Actually, after AIG was uncooperative it is my understanding that within the last couple of weeks, a list of institutions was leaked (maybe Barron's or the Washington Post published but not sure and too tired to remember). It was leaked but noted as speculative and not in entirety,,,,,I guess Liddy got the message but prior had told the politicians to eff off as he knew the threats to cut off additional bailout funds were idle.
 
This is the problem with bigger government overseeing more social programs. There's very little oversight or checks & balances.

Why would we possibly want bigger government when it's a poorly run business? :mad:
 
Boy O Boy, all this "Change" is so refreshing.

Amid AIG Furor, Dodd Tries to Undo Bonus Protections He Put In

Senator Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) on Monday night floated the idea of taxing American International Group (AIG) bonus recipients so the government could recoup some or all of the $450 million the company is paying to employees in its financial products unit. Within hours, the idea spread to both houses of Congress, with lawmakers proposing an AIG bonus tax.

The move represents somewhat of an about-face for the Senator.

While the Senate was constructing the $787 billion stimulus last month, Dodd added an executive-compensation restriction to the bill. That amendment provides an exception for contractually obligated bonuses agreed on before Feb. 11, 2009 -- which exempts the very AIG bonuses Dodd and others are now seeking to tax.

The amendment made it into the final version of the bill, and is law.

Separately, Sen. Dodd was AIGs largest single recipient of campaign donations during the 2008 election cycle with $103,100, according to opensecrets.org.

Dodds office did not immediately return a request for comment.

AIG INTERNATIONAL GROUP: RECIPIENTS
Money to Congress: 2008 Cycle

DEMOCRATS.....................$442,926
REPUBLICANS...................$142,792

TOP RECIPIENTS

Dodd, Chris.....................$103,100
Obama, Barack................$101,332
McCain, John....................$59,499
Clinton, Hillary...................$35,965

And the wheels keep turning and my stomach keeps churning.
 
And the wheels keep turning and my stomach keeps churning.

So true. What is truly stomach-turning is Dodd's "outrage". Excerpt from an article I read today:

Democratic Sen. Christopher Dodd on Monday criticized the bonuses given to executives of American International Group Inc. and suggested that the government could tax the recipients to recoup some or all of the payouts.

But it was Dodd who inserted language in the $787 billion stimulus bill that exempts the bonuses from taxation.

Dodd, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, thundered on Monday: This is another outrageous example of executives including those whose decisions were responsible for the problems that caused AIGs collapse enriching themselves at the expense of taxpayers.

While the Senate was constructing the stimulus package last month, however, Dodd added an executive-compensation restriction to the bill, which provides an exception for contractually obligated bonuses agreed on before Feb. 11, 2009 which exempts the very AIG bonuses Dodd and others are now seeking to tax.

That amendment is law.

Incredibly, Dodd has now demanded a full briefing from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury on why clauses werent attached to the four AIG bailouts to halt bonuses, according to the New York Daily News.
 
Sounds as if this guy is not fit to chair anything more than a meeting of the boy scouts, let alone the Senate Banking Committee.:mad:

It's another illustration of the thick-skin syndrome and amoral attitude so common among politicians everywhere imo.

His latest bluster is probably in the hope of confusing everyone over his earlier move to protect the AIG bonuses donated so generously by the US taxpayer.

You're right - it's sickening.
 
Thomas Jeffersons' own words come back to haunt us!

These Jefferson quotes are timeless---.

John Kennedy once said to a assembled group of scholars in the White House

I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge,

that has ever been gathered at the White House -

with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."



The quotes below could prove his point.

His words have come to pass.................

When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe ,

we shall become as corrupt as Europe .

Thomas Jefferson

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those

who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

Thomas Jefferson

It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes.

A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.

Thomas Jefferson

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

Thomas Jefferson

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.

Thomas Jefferson

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.

Thomas Jefferson

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear

arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

Thomas Jefferson

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson



Very Interesting Quote:

In light of the present financial crisis, it's interesting to read what Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:

'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.

If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.
 
AIG Suing To Recover Taxes in IRS Dispute

Just one comment on the excerpt below by AIG in lieu of many on the entire article.

""has a duty to its shareholders,"

WTF or better yet I defer to my bud, lol , Mark Twain again:
"Never tell a lie--P.S. -Except to keep in practice."

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