243 Ways,How Do They Pay?

[Greigssy]

I posted the win below a few days ago.

The way I thought it would have paid was 243 pays of 4 wilds which if it had done would have been £607.50. But as its "243 ways" and not lines it is a total mystery to me how these slots actually pay now for multiple lines. I have added my edited playcheck below to show how the payout has been calculated.

 

[The Viking]

well
81x4 wilds =202.5
81xQ =101.25
81xJ =101.25
81x9 = 81
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486

sounds right to me

wilds do not pay double in WS feature

 

[lotusch]

That is a good question actually.
I thought of this before too.

But I think wilds do not pay double in the wilds feature.
So in that case the pays are correct.

And hey,it is still a great hit for €0.30 bet,well over 1500x stake.

 

[dunover]

I posted the win below a few days ago.

The way I thought it would have paid was 243 pays of 4 wilds which if it had done would have been £607.50. But as its "243 ways" and not lines it is a total mystery to me how these slots actually pay now for multiple lines. I have added my edited playcheck below to show how the payout has been calculated.

I'm going to EXPLODE! with fury if I see this question ever again........................



YOU CANNOT HAVE 4 WILDS AS A SINGLE WIN IF THEY ARE ON THE FIRST 4 REELS AS THEY CONTINUE UNTIL THE LAST SYMBOL ON REEL 5!

All the 243 WAYS continue from left to right until a winning combo cannot be found. Therefore, all 243 ways you have on this screenie start with 4 wilds and end in either J/Q/9

IF you had full wilds on the first 3 reels for example, then 10/J/Q on reel 4 and 10/K/A on reel 5, you would have 27x 5*10's, 27x 4*J's and 27x 4*Q's. = 81 wins.

You can only ever get 243 actual separate wins if ALL positions on any 4 reels are wild, or better.

 

[lnspin]

In that shot you have 81 9's , 81 j's , and 81 q's.. You do not get paid for 4 wilds as they complete a 5 of a kind..

Only way you would get paid for 4 wilds on that shot would be, say, the 9 was a scatter symbol instead.. then you would be paid for 4 wilds as there is no symbol in the 5th reel.

 

[Greigssy]

I'm going to EXPLODE! with fury if I see this question ever again........................



YOU CANNOT HAVE 4 WILDS AS A SINGLE WIN IF THEY ARE ON THE FIRST 4 REELS AS THEY CONTINUE UNTIL THE LAST SYMBOL ON REEL 5!

All the 243 WAYS continue from left to right until a winning combo cannot be found. Therefore, all 243 ways you have on this screenie start with 4 wilds and end in either J/Q/9

IF you had full wilds on the first 3 reels for example, then 10/J/Q on reel 4 and 10/K/A on reel 5, you would have 27x 5*10's, 27x 4*J's and 27x 4*Q's. = 81 wins.

You can only ever get 243 actual separate wins if ALL positions on any 4 reels are wild, or better.

Well I've never actually seen that question answered or I wouldn't have asked. But thanks for explaining it(again!), I never doubted the payout or I would have been onto the casino 4 days ago. I just wanted to understand it as I have always thought of it as the same as line pays(highest pay per line) but obviously I was wrong.

 

[Blathaon]

In that shot you have 81 9's , 81 j's , and 81 q's.. You do not get paid for 4 wilds as they complete a 5 of a kind..

Only way you would get paid for 4 wilds on that shot would be, say, the 9 was a scatter symbol instead.. then you would be paid for 4 wilds as there is no symbol in the 5th reel.

He did get paid for 4 wilds but only 81 ways, remember on IR the wilds themselves have a value as well.

he has 81 9's, Q's, J's and 81 four wilds.

Dunover's point was that the OP mistakenly thought that he would get paid 243x 4 wilds, but that is impossible as Dunover pointed out you can only ever get paid 243 ways if the whole screen is the same symbol or wild.

243 way slots are very simple just multiply the value of the symbol win with the number of that symbol/wild on each reel that is part of the winning combination.

So for the OP's screenshot:
the wilds 2.5x3x3x3x3 =202.5
Q's 1.25x3x3x3x3= 101.25
J's 1.25x3x3x3x3= 101.25
9's 1x3x3x3x3= 81
for a total of 486

 

[Azzurri]

I'm glad you asked because I was thinking about this whilst playing Burning Desire, as I thought the payouts were pretty crappy when compared to TS2 and IR. I've never been brave enough to ask myself, as I knew some old heads like dunover would probably give me a clip behind my puppy ears, lol. He didn't disappoint! (Just a friendly tease dunover )

Now that you have asked, and saved me the initial disappointed snarls from our more experienced buddies here, allow me to embarrass myself anyway, as I'm sure my next question will put dunover at risk of actually exploding, and at the very least shift the dunces cap firmly atop of my crown.

Now, numbers and maths, has never been my strong point, so I apologise if my questions are perceived as obvious or stupid, but I'm afraid my problem solving skills have never been a match for my naturally inquisitive mind, hence I will happily accept any and all payouts, as long as someone's willing to entertain my stupidity.

Can someone please explain where the number 81 comes from in the above calculations? And if possible, go one step further and provide the actual standard formula for 243 games in a simple way, so as to be easily understood by dummies like me?

I did give you ample warning my questions may be stupid, but I'll apologise again if the answers are blatantly obvious.

"Azzurri, fighting for the rights of those special few who only went to school to eat their lunch since 1983 and a half."

 

[skiny]

243 Ways, How Do They Pay?

They don't.

Trust me, I've tried.

 

[Jasminebed]

sure. You have 3 wilds on reel one so 3
3 on reel two, so there are nine ways to get two wilds on a "way" 3 x 3 = 9
ditto on 3, so 3 ways on each of those nine.... 3 x 3 x 3 = 27
reel 4, three more ways on each of the 27 ... 3 x 3 x 3 x 3 = 81

if you had all five reels wild, it would be 3 x 3 X 3 X 3 x 3 = 243.

 

[aceking123]

haha i think dunover got out the wrong side of the bed this morning with a thumping head

 

[Azzurri]

Thanks Jasminebed, and yes, as I suspected, you have more then confirmed my stupidity, lol. It's funny how seeing something simply explained, always leads to asking oneself, why was it so hard for you to see, or work that out? Sorry for making you go to such effort, but it's sincerely appreciated, and not even one sneaky jibe from you for good measure?! Obviously a very classy person by nature . I think most times my problem is over thinking things, which then leads to self doubt, denial, paranoia, and finally stupid public questions, lol.

If only I can learn to trust myself, then maybe I will learn to trust others.

Thanks again, and hopefully your response was quick enough to save our friend dunover from a terribly messy accident! Please let us know you're ok dunover, and sorry for any unnecessary stress caused. Crisis over.

 

[Googobucs]

never mind, I was looking at the way win not the actual screen shot.

 

[dunover]

Right!!!

Let me explain in simple terms:

People confuse 243 ways with 243 LINES.....

So, for example BDBA - 9 lines, and each line is fixed and can yield either a 3,4 or 5 reel win on that specified line pattern.
So, unless you have stacked symbols, you can only get in this example of BDBA 3 lines paying at once - 2 identical reels 1,2 with a wild in the centre of the third.

Therefore a 243-way slot would, if a 243-line slot, charge you multiples of 2.43 to play, i.e. 2.43 a spin, or 4.86 a spin.

This is why WAY slots are cheaper to play, as unless you get the stacked wilds like in a WD or sh!tstorm feature, you can usually only hit say 3,4, 8 or 16 5-reel wins at once and that is rare in itself. The 'ways' are fluid, i.e. winlines are created as the reels stop - 1st. reel any of 3 symbols, second reel any of the 3 matching any of the first 3, third reel any of the 3 matching any 2 common symbols in the previous 2 reels and so-on.

SOMETHING IS BADLY WRONG ON Griegsy's example.

He makes it (as does Blaothon) 81 x 5 queens, 81 x 5 jacks, 81 x 5 9's and 81 x 4 wilds.....

So how on earth is this possible?? To have THREE HUNDRED AND TWENTY-FOUR WAY WINS ON A 243-WAY SLOT???????

Totally weird - the wilds have a double value therefore, as a stand-alone win plus substituting for 9,s J,s and Q's

This again shows MG's gimped play reports which we have seen numerous examples of over the years....

 

[Azzurri]

Right!!!

Let me explain in simple terms:

People confuse 243 ways with 243 LINES.....

Thanks dunover, this is exactly why I was asking for clarification, as the '243 ways' always threw me. Thanks for your comments, and being a good sport when I was being an immature punk at your expense.

 

[Greigssy]

Simple when its explained, as I thought I'm getting confused with lines and ways. Which brings me to 1024 way slots?..........nope only joking!.

 

[Nicola]

LOL @ This thread, I think I'm more confused now!

Will stick with the 9 line slots for the foreseeable, a DoA fest coming up

 

[nisosbar]

Sorry, but I'm not getting the difference between a way and a line. Isn't a line a way? And a way, a line?

 

[dunover]

Sorry, but I'm not getting the difference between a way and a line. Isn't a line a way? And a way, a line?

No it's not. A line is a predetermined pattern the reel symbols need to line up in, and pays once only.
A 'way' is a fluid permutation that in effect voids all need for predetermined win-lines as symbols can appear ANYWHERE on consecutive reels.

I am now getting close to spontaneous combustion.

 

[Azzurri]

Sorry, but I'm not getting the difference between a way and a line. Isn't a line a way? And a way, a line?

Man, this is getting intense.

It's starting to feel like the time I had an argument with a police officer after being pulled over for simply doing a u turn in my car. Turns out I was mistakenly interpreting the street sign as saying "No! U turn", rather than "No U turn". Turns out the ever present challenge of correctly conveying tone and application in written text form, was an unavoidable hurdle for the authors of my car licence learner's handbook (sigh).

It's a realistic possibility that I have a better chance of striking it rich by finding a remedy to this issue, than I do continuing to play slots. If only I applied myself, the world could be my oyster perhaps.

At least on this occasion it's a free lesson, as the officer wasn't so forgiving.

I seriously need to cease these cheesy attempts at humor.

 

[nisosbar]

No it's not. A line is a predetermined pattern the reel symbols need to line up in, and pays once only.
A 'way' is a fluid permutation that in effect voids all need for predetermined win-lines as symbols can appear ANYWHERE on consecutive reels.

I am now getting close to spontaneous combustion.

Okay, so let's try something Socratic here, and answer this, please, if you still have a functioning tongue lol:

Why aren't there any 5x3 -244 ways slots?

 

[dunover]

Okay, so let's try something Socratic here, and answer this, please, if you still have a functioning tongue lol:

Why aren't there any 5x3 -244 ways slots?

For the same reason there are no 32-day months.

 

[Balthazar]

Totally weird - the wilds have a double value therefore, as a stand-alone win plus substituting for 9,s J,s and Q's

This again shows MG's gimped play reports which we have seen numerous examples of over the years....

I honestly don't see why it is a problem or confusing. If during a regular spin you get wilds on the first 3 reels, you get paid for those 3 wilds in addition to the rest of the "lines" (ways) that they substitute for. It's no different during the Wild Desire feature.

I've a bigger problem with the fact that some wilds are doubling the wins and some don't (wild desire, wild wine). It's not confusing but it's an inconsistency.

 

[skiny]

I was just playing Avalon 2.

I understand that there are 243 ways to win.

How many ways are there lose?

It seems to happen much more often.

 

[Lincolnuk]

Yes they do

Longs they dont have the words Netent in them

 

[Azzurri]

I was just playing Avalon 2.

I understand that there are 243 ways to win.

How many ways are there lose?

It seems to happen much more often.

AM I the only one here sensing skiny isn't a fan of 243 way slots? Not making any assumptions, as all evidence so far is inconclusive, but I just can't shake this creeping suspicion I have.

On a side note to my increasingly annoying attempts to guest star on SNL, can anyone explain why I have seen so many massive wins on Burning Desire (advertised on casino sites and obviously due to large stakes, however..), when my experience seemed to uncover a poor pay rate, and amount compared to TS2 and IR? I will state that I am too lazy to have investigated further, or compared the actual payout tables per symbol, so confirmation it's just my imagination will also be respected. However after multiple attempts, but limited playtime compared to TS2 and IR, I just got a yuckie feeling, and hitting 5 of a kind, which only occurred with 9's and 10's and never the pictures in my experience, appeared to pay quite low compared to the other games. Is this just my imagination, and maybe TS2 and IR seem better due to hitting 5 of a kind pictures more easily overall?

Sorry to wonder off topic, but it was this game that aroused my curiosity regarding the 243 way clarification. Goes to show some of us don't care until we're not winning, or not winning enough like the op, lol. You could call it a lose/lose, and we are the ultimate victims in another of the universes cruel contradictions. Damn her!

 

[nisosbar]

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[Azzurri]

And people call Americans parochial.

No, we call you much worse down here.

 

[skiny]

AM I the only one here sensing skiny isn't a fan of 243 way slots? Not making any assumptions, as all evidence so far is inconclusive, but I just can't shake this creeping suspicion I have.

I'm a fan of any slot game that pays more than I wager.

I just haven't found one of these 243 ways to win games that is willing to do this.

 

[catapultaudio]

With regards Avalon2, the final feature awards a multiple of your 'line bet', which (I think) seems to just be, (Your Bet / 0.30) x 0.01 ? Why is this ? Is there any logical link between 0.01 as a 'line bet' per 0.30 wagered on a 243-way slot? Or did they just do it this way to guarantee a pretty rubbish win (?!)

Anybody know?

 

[Balthazar]

With regards Avalon2, the final feature awards a multiple of your 'line bet', which (I think) seems to just be, (Your Bet / 0.30) x 0.01 ? Why is this ? Is there any logical link between 0.01 as a 'line bet' per 0.30 wagered on a 243-way slot? Or did they just do it this way to guarantee a pretty rubbish win (?!)

Anybody know?

It's not your line bet, it's multiplied by your bet level. It's 0.30 per level.

 

[rshkrn]

 

[quber]

This game does pay slightly different to most 243 ways as it pays all wins in each way as per the rules:-


'Multiple winning combinations are paid out per pay way. If there is more than one winning combination for different symbols on a pay way, you are paid out for each combination. If there is more than one winning combination for the same symbol on a pay way, you are paid out the value of the highest combination only.'

This means that 4 wilds and a J pay both 4 wilds and 5 J's. The last line means if you have 5 J's you don't get the 3J win or the 4J win.

As asked earlier the difference between ways and lines is if, for example, you have 3 J's across the top of the first three reels in a 243 LINE machine this would pay 3J's x 9 as the last two reels would give 9 different combinations. In a 243 WAY machine it pays only once as the way is used only once

 

[dunover]

This game does pay slightly different to most 243 ways as it pays all wins in each way as per the rules:-


'Multiple winning combinations are paid out per pay way. If there is more than one winning combination for different symbols on a pay way, you are paid out for each combination. If there is more than one winning combination for the same symbol on a pay way, you are paid out the value of the highest combination only.'

This means that 4 wilds and a J pay both 4 wilds and 5 J's. The last line means if you have 5 J's you don't get the 3J win or the 4J win.

As asked earlier the difference between ways and lines is if, for example, you have 3 J's across the top of the first three reels in a 243 LINE machine this would pay 3J's x 9 as the last two reels would give 9 different combinations. In a 243 WAY machine it pays only once as the way is used only once

Indeed, as I explained earlier in the thread. WAYS are dynamic and combinations begin as soon as the reels/symbols start stopping. Lines are fixed beforehand.
I have learnt one thing from this thread though, that I didn't know - on MG games if you have stacked wilds on the FIRST 3-and-last or 4 reels then you potentially get 270 or 324 ways on a 243-way slot as wilds have a value in themselves separate from the symbol combinations they make up. This means that on my 4-reel TSII sh!tstorm that I got, I also had 324 winning ways as I had the first 4 reels wild. Yet if I had got all 5 wild, I'd have only had 243 ways, albeit winning more.
The anomalous MG paytables.....