Youtube banning slot streaming

[trancemonkey]

@trancemonkey I'm 99.9% sure you are wrong about rocknrolla. But for the others you have to factor in the +EV deals they get as @Tengil pointed out. Then you have to factor in the affiliate money. Casino grounds is doing somewhere in the region of 400k euro a quarter. It's serious coin.

I'm quite happy to be wrong - for all i know he could be a hedge-fund manager with massive amounts of wealth... But still, for me i feel it's irresponsible to stream betting at those type of levels, whether they can afford it or not. But also equally i'm against censorship - so i'm a bit torn. As someone in the industry it is our moral duty (and quite possibly legal duty) to encourage responsible gambling, and to be honest, i just can't reconcile how this is responsible...

I'm so torn

 

[VismundCygnus]

Nope the movie was for a die hard player like me quite disappointing..
Part 2 is supposed to be much better.
Problem with first part was that they jumped in the middle of the lore instead of the beginning and also most actors were mediocre at best.

Let's see part 2, scheduled for mid 2019.

Really? I think the movie was absolutely glorious, best fantasy movie since LotR. The detail and art on the animations is unlike anything I've ever seen, plot and writing on point too.

 

[dunover]

I'm quite happy to be wrong - for all i know he could be a hedge-fund manager with massive amounts of wealth... But still, for me i feel it's irresponsible to stream betting at those type of levels, whether they can afford it or not. But also equally i'm against censorship - so i'm a bit torn. As someone in the industry it is our moral duty (and quite possibly legal duty) to encourage responsible gambling, and to be honest, i just can't reconcile how this is responsible...

I'm so torn

Trust me it is real - on a 100e NDP deal plus 30% RS say, and with 10-15k subscribers they easily earn 10-20k per weekend. But they spend it all on slotting, or most of it and then for tax reasons they can report a loss/breakeven at end of the year by writing off gambling losses as 'marketing'. Not sure how the UK IRS would see that but there you go. The one concession they often get though is freedom from stake limits on their bonuses, so they can raise the maximum stake. Depends what deal they have with any given casino.

 

[trancemonkey]

Trust me it is real - on a 100e NDP deal plus 30% RS say, and with 10-15k subscribers they easily earn 10-20k per weekend. But they spend it all on slotting, or most of it and then for tax reasons they can report a loss/breakeven at end of the year by writing off gambling losses as 'marketing'. Not sure how the UK IRS would see that but there you go. The one concession they often get though is freedom from stake limits on their bonuses, so they can raise the maximum stake. Depends what deal they have with any given casino.

Thanks for the clarification Dunover... looks like i might be wrong then.

 

[Borgie]

I simply don't believe Nick Slots or CasinoDaddy or Rocknrolla are real... even with affiliate income I can't see how they would make enough to bet at 5 quid for 6 hours a day...

Let's assume they play 96% slots straight for six hours at an average bet of 3 quid. Then let's assume the average game time is 4 seconds to allow for features etc...

That's 15 games a minute. In 6 hours that's 5400 games per day.

Which is £16,200 wagered.

At 96% that would be an average loss of £642 a day. Assume an average of 25 days streaming and that's a loss of £16,050 a month.

Rocknrolla is betting at probably an average of 10 quid a spin, if not higher. So he would need to clear at least 50k a month profit just to cover his losses.

Now I know affiliates can earn a lot of money but is that realistic? Can they clear 16k profit a month AND have enough to live on?!

If so, then I'm in the wrong job...

But also their career is out of their hands.... if YT or Twitch or one of thr GC's ban them, that's career over. Very risky.

Re Nickslots - I do sometimes dip into his stream and have done since the beginning - he regularly shows his deposits and withdrawals. He streams 4 days a week for approx. 4 hours a day. His bet sizes can vary between about 2 to 8 quid - they only went up to theses higher amounts after Leo Vegas brought out Casinogrounds - Remember they paid something like 3 million for it or will have done by the end of the buy out . Nick would have got a large share of that as he was one of the 4 previous owners - - he is and was before he started streaming a very successful affiliate marketer - not just a casino affiliate .

The casinos he streams on are mostly accredited here so if they were allowing fake money - that would have serious implications for their accreditation ! I am convinced he is NOT fake though.

Nicola on here watches Nick too from time to time and I know she believes he is genuine.

I honestly believe Rockinrolla is genuine too although I don't know much about his circumstances but if you watch him his reactions seem totally real !

Casinodaddy its difficult to tell - there are 4 of them in the partnership - so 4 lots of money to input - they have their own company but they have so many casinos they stream on it could well be that some of those do allow fake money also I would question their viewer count may be using a view bit

 

[dunover]

Neither of them are fake.

 

[slotter999]

@trancemonkey What happens to those morals when your company decides £100+ max bet size is 'about right'?

You and your company are in unique position to do something about it i.e. simply do not offer your games at those stake levels.

The only provider limiting stakes at the moment is BTG and the assumption is that is they are insulating the casinos and not the players.

But back to the streamers....as someone who has watched them evolve over the years there is definitely something I call 'streamer inflation' which is the persistent upward trend of betsize + bankroll. I guess once the money starts pouring in 80p spins aren't gonna cut it anymore.

 

[zap987]

Well, with the bonuses they get it's in their best interest to bet as high as allowed, same as for every other player.

I really don't understand this fixation on stake levels when it comes to responsible gambling. I'm sure there are plenty of people with a gambling problem that never bet over 1 euro, bet size only matters in relation to what someone can afford. I'd imagine it's actually more likely someone depositing 100 euro and spending hours spinning at 0.40 is going to be a problem gambler than someone depositing the same 100 euros and going 5 euro spins and win or lose fast. It doesn't matter at all if max bet is 2 or 100 euros, a gambling addict will still lose all their money fast.

 

[Webzcas]

Regards RockNRolla, he is legit and is also a member here at Casinomeister.

 

[interlog]

Regards RockNRolla, he is legit and is also a member here at Casinomeister.

He is legit.

People forget too how he plays. He does small deposits and works his balance up with roulette and black jack. Once the balance is up, he goes silly stakes on the slots.

 

[trancemonkey]

@trancemonkey What happens to those morals when your company decides £100+ max bet size is 'about right'?

You and your company are in unique position to do something about it i.e. simply do not offer your games at those stake levels.

The only provider limiting stakes at the moment is BTG and the assumption is that is they are insulating the casinos and not the players.

But back to the streamers....as someone who has watched them evolve over the years there is definitely something I call 'streamer inflation' which is the persistent upward trend of betsize + bankroll. I guess once the money starts pouring in 80p spins aren't gonna cut it anymore.

BTG are probably limiting the stakes due to the the maximum liability of the game, but of course i don't know that for definite...

 

[trancemonkey]

He is legit.

People forget too how he plays. He does small deposits and works his balance up with roulette and black jack. Once the balance is up, he goes silly stakes on the slots.

Then i quite happily retract what i said about Nickslots, Rocknrolla and CasinoDaddy - thank you for the clarification....

 

[JGslots]

Ah, Rocknrolla, didn't he clear 250k out of GUTS before they pulled the plug on the bonuses? Hehe, good on him.

He's a real honest bloke, says how it is, he gets deposit bonuses and attempts to make as much as possible, however he is a complete degenerate gambler. Great to watch as his play is so volitile.

Rob

 

[sufferinsilence]

Well, with the bonuses they get it's in their best interest to bet as high as allowed, same as for every other player.

I really don't understand this fixation on stake levels when it comes to responsible gambling. I'm sure there are plenty of people with a gambling problem that never bet over 1 euro, bet size only matters in relation to what someone can afford. I'd imagine it's actually more likely someone depositing 100 euro and spending hours spinning at 0.40 is going to be a problem gambler than someone depositing the same 100 euros and going 5 euro spins and win or lose fast. It doesn't matter at all if max bet is 2 or 100 euros, a gambling addict will still lose all their money fast.

Not sure I fully agree here. Most people spinning at 40 cents on a 100 deposit are probably trying to have as much entertainment out of their money as they can whilst if you do bigger spins you're looking for that thrill/rush to feed your addiction. Now that doesn't mean either of them can be a problem gambler.

 

[BrianGhattas]

Looks like the streamers are having issues with YouTube again. What is going on here?

 

[dunover]

they're still there.

 

[goatwack]

Whatever happens now, it'll only inevitably come back round again....

 

[Borgie]

Looks like the streamers are having issues with YouTube again. What is going on here?

Yes you tube apparently said they had made a mistake gave a couple of streamers back their channels and then promptly banned them again!

 

[trancemonkey]

Not sure I fully agree here. Most people spinning at 40 cents on a 100 deposit are probably trying to have as much entertainment out of their money as they can whilst if you do bigger spins you're looking for that thrill/rush to feed your addiction. Now that doesn't mean either of them can be a problem gambler.

I most definitely disagree - and i would think most gambling addiction charities would too. When people chase losses, they almost always up their bets in order to try and recoup.. if someone is a grand in the hole, they are unlikely to carry on just betting a a quid, they are more likely (and i imagine there is statistical evidence to prove this) to bet bigger to try and get their losses back.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I most definitely disagree - and i would think most gambling addiction charities would too. When people chase losses, they almost always up their bets in order to try and recoup.. if someone is a grand in the hole, they are unlikely to carry on just betting a a quid, they are more likely (and i imagine there is statistical evidence to prove this) to bet bigger to try and get their losses back.

Responsible would be if they don't chase their losses and keep to their usual deposit of 100 and spinning at 40 cent Ofcourse I agree that depositing more, or more often, and betting higher to recoup losses is definitely a big sign of problem gambling.

 

[FAZI1]

Regards RockNRolla, he is legit and is also a member here at Casinomeister.

If we talking abaout real / not real money streamers - Most suspect is ... Roshtein.

few fact abaout him :

a) He play in highroller style almost everyday with 5k deposits and he choose for play ONLY some low quality casinos and NEVER play in any high quality brand.
A little strange ?- Most highrollers / or legit affiliate casino stremers advertise several brands and they set up affiliate cooperation and in same time play mainly in big popular brands/ casinos .

So Roshtein decided the best for him will be Set up affiliate deals and continue "legit highroller Play " ONLY in low quality casinos ? it looks suspicious - Why he not start affiliate cooperations with several other big brands like all others legit stremers do ? And why he is so loyal playing very often and very high ONLY in this few not popular low limit casinos? Im check his Twitch site and im see is one expection from this rule and he add Trada casino reflinks ---> But in same time he never play in Trada in his stream...

What is behind this ? Mayby this will be accusation without 100% evidence / proof but im personaly think his affiliate advertise model is just unethical way to bring traffic. - He set up with his affilaite menager - agreements his real money player account will be regular credited with virtual money - something like testing account and he cant basicly withdrawal any money from this account - > account only for promoting and catching referrals / grab profits from his refferals.

In beggining he got aproved this kind of deal with multilotto - this is why he play very Long only in Multilottto ( Multilotto casino in this period have ONLY 1 slots provider Playngo - but still this was the best choice for his Highroller regular deposits....) Next he suddenly stop play in this brand - im I'm guessing they termiated this kind of deal with him( with regular manual credited his real money account with virtual credits ) - so he dissapired from web for some longer period around 5-6 months next he back with New Low quality casino Viks - and probably set up same agreements with their affiliate staff ( With credited his " real money " account regular with virtual credits ) - In this period he again play very high only in this low quality Viks Casino. After few month again he dissapired for few weeks from web and he back and start Play and affiliate cooperation this time with N1 casino .

So for me he is good actor his streams can be enterteiment but in dont belive he play with real money - Like im say this post can be accusation without 100% proof but Im thinks he just looking for casino who allowed him unethical affiliate cooperation with regular credit his real money player account with virtual credits - to gain good profit from his massive vievers traffic with streming virtual money.

- Other story is all his vievers belive? he is 100% legit and play for real money. But if he is legit then again - Why highroller advertise and play only in few low limit / low quality casinos? and never show single real money sesion in just ONE good reputable casino?.

 

[AndyP24]

My biggest issue with streamers is what they portray is not a real life view of slots. Not picking on Nick slots, but regardless of whether he is legit or not(I have my doubts) he gets unlimited 100% matched bonuses.

This is not a fair reflection on what REAL slot play is like and makes it seem as though you get a lot more withdrawals and happy endings because once the cash is gone he can dip into his bonus funds and hit big, I don't like that he accepts donations from his viewers, who lets be honest are probably donating enough through losing via his affiliate links! Realistically I'm not going to say I think anyone is fake as there's no real evidence, but I think there's a few very questionable streamers.

 

[Borgie]

My biggest issue with streamers is what they portray is not a real life view of slots. Not picking on Nick slots, but regardless of whether he is legit or not(I have my doubts) he gets unlimited 100%
This is not a fair reflection on what REAL slot play is like and makes it seem as though you get a lot more withdrawals and happy endings because once the cash is gone he can dip into his bonus funds and hit big, I don't like that he accepts donations from his viewers, who lets be honest are probably donating enough through losing via his affiliate links! Realistically I'm not going to say I think anyone is fake as there's no real evidence, but I think there's a few very questionable streamers.

If you watch nicks streans you would know that all donations every penny go to charity and evidence is given of this. He does not use donations to fund his stream.

 

[dunover]

If we talking abaout real / not real money streamers - Most suspect is ... Roshtein.

few fact abaout him :

a) He play in highroller style almost everyday with 5k deposits and he choose for play ONLY some low quality casinos and NEVER play in any high quality brand.
A little strange ?- Most highrollers / or legit affiliate casino stremers advertise several brands and they set up affiliate cooperation and in same time play mainly in big popular brands/ casinos .

So Roshtein decided the best for him will be Set up affiliate deals and continue "legit highroller Play " ONLY in low quality casinos ? it looks suspicious - Why he not start affiliate cooperations with several other big brands like all others legit stremers do ? And why he is so loyal playing very often and very high ONLY in this few not popular low limit casinos? Im check his Twitch site and im see is one expection from this rule and he add Trada casino reflinks ---> But in same time he never play in Trada in his stream...

What is behind this ? Mayby this will be accusation without 100% evidence / proof but im personaly think his affiliate advertise model is just unethical way to bring traffic. - He set up with his affilaite menager - agreements his real money player account will be regular credited with virtual money - something like testing account and he cant basicly withdrawal any money from this account - > account only for promoting and catching referrals / grab profits from his refferals.

In beggining he got aproved this kind of deal with multilotto - this is why he play very Long only in Multilottto ( Multilotto casino in this period have ONLY 1 slots provider Playngo - but still this was the best choice for his Highroller regular deposits....) Next he suddenly stop play in this brand - im I'm guessing they termiated this kind of deal with him( with regular manual credited his real money account with virtual credits ) - so he dissapired from web for some longer period around 5-6 months next he back with New Low quality casino Viks - and probably set up same agreements with their affiliate staff ( With credited his " real money " account regular with virtual credits ) - In this period he again play very high only in this low quality Viks Casino. After few month again he dissapired for few weeks from web and he back and start Play and affiliate cooperation this time with N1 casino .

So for me he is good actor his streams can be enterteiment but in dont belive he play with real money - Like im say this post can be accusation without 100% proof but Im thinks he just looking for casino who allowed him unethical affiliate cooperation with regular credit his real money player account with virtual credits - to gain good profit from his massive vievers traffic with streming virtual money.

- Other story is all his vievers belive? he is 100% legit and play for real money. But if he is legit then again - Why highroller advertise and play only in few low limit / low quality casinos? and never show single real money sesion in just ONE good reputable casino?.

The guy disappeared for a while because he went bankrupt, filed for in Malta. I believe his family bailed him out and he was discharged early so returned to streaming. Like many streamers, I suspect that being cushioned by easy money and casino sponsorship he became addicted possibly without even realizing it.

Viks is not a great casino either - not rogue by any means but I seriously question why a streamer would play at a casino with a 5k cash-out limit.

 

[AndyP24]

If you watch nicks streans you would know that all donations every penny go to charity and evidence is given of this. He does not use donations to fund his stream.

Easy to make yourself look the good guy by donating 10% of wins to charity though isn't it when you are raking in thousands of affiliate fees, don't get me wrong I don't think he's an awful human being he's making a very decent living out of it but when you see the guy buying nice cars going on flash holidays and boasting about putting all his winnings into his 'daughters account'... meanwhile his referrals that sign up because they see unrealistic wins on stream and think they can emulate them, lose all their dosh and he gets a cut.

Oh and the fact he denies he's a problem gambler, it's not healthy, unless maybe he isn't a problem gambler and he's funded by the casino? That's just speculation, of course.

 

[mack341]

If you watch nicks streans you would know that all donations every penny go to charity and evidence is given of this. He does not use donations to fund his stream.

He did use donations when I watched his streams 2 yrs ago, but changed at some point to give them to charity. In my view nick with the images etc.. he uses on his youtube channel is pushing the limits of responsible marketing.

I know there are lots of casino/slots streamers on youtube, but from a uk perspective and channels i'm familiar with, I feel nick and rocknrolla are trying it on and should be reigned in. I have heard both warn viewers about responsible gambling, especially Nick in fact, and I'm not saying they're not likeable people but their videos and marketing are not realistic.

Stakewise rocknrolla is at the extreme end and ok many people will find it entertaining and not feel the need to try it for themselves but I fear, given the eductation and social/poverty problems in the UK, there will be a significant minority that are going to get in trouble after watching videos like his and nick's.

Whether Youtube address the issue now or UKGC a few years down the road [given how long it took them to limit fobts], I think this type of marketing will be stopped eventually. If UKGC do something it will probably be drastic and end up affecting all the youtube channels.

 

[dunover]

He did use donations when I watched his streams 2 yrs ago, but changed at some point to give them to charity. In my view nick with the images etc.. he uses on his youtube channel is pushing the limits of responsible marketing.

I know there are lots of casino/slots streamers on youtube, but from a uk perspective and channels i'm familiar with, I feel nick and rocknrolla are trying it on and should be reigned in. I have heard both warn viewers about responsible gambling, especially Nick in fact, and I'm not saying they're not likeable people but their videos and marketing are not realistic.

Stakewise rocknrolla is at the extreme end and ok many people will find it entertaining and not feel the need to try it for themselves but I fear, given the eductation and social/poverty problems in the UK, there will be a significant minority that are going to get in trouble after watching videos like his and nick's.

Whether Youtube address the issue now or UKGC a few years down the road [given how long it took them to limit fobts], I think this type of marketing will be stopped eventually. If UKGC do something it will probably be drastic and end up affecting all the youtube channels.

What can the UKGC do? It's an international thing and the UK doesn't rule the planet any more. All they can do is ensure the picture ads are compliant which is already done by casinos' affy programmes and is the sensible way to protect UK players. They cannot force YT to remove people and imagine if they could? What next? Lefty media outlets telling YT to remove right-wing channels, or vice-versa? The UKGC could ask that channels don't target the UK market but how the hell can you stop UK citizens viewing YT gambling content? How can Saudi Arabia stop its people viewing videos with bikini-clad women or alcohol in them? It's far easier for the vulnerable to walk into the local bookies or casino or Amusement Arcade than it is for them to open and learn about online gaming accounts. I mean how may millions in the UK watch sport each week which is absolutely saturated with gambling ads, compare with the relatively few who watch YT gambling content?

Go down the pub where statistically 20-30% of people will likely be regular gamblers of some description and then ask those if they've heard of Casinomeister, YT slots channels or Casino Sodding Daddy!

In reality, very few people have a dog in this particular fight.

 

[mack341]

What next? Lefty media outlets telling YT to remove right-wing channels, or vice-versa? The UKGC could ask that channels don't target the UK market but how the hell can you stop UK citizens viewing YT gambling content?

I think that internet censorship of opinion/freedom of speech is already underway which can never be a good thing, fair and open debate is much preferable IMO. I queried a few pages back would casinos themselves be able to use the kind of images Nick slots uses:

If a ukgc licensed casino cannot use similar imagery for marketing purposes on their own site why is the casino affliate allowed to?

Will gambling problems [in the uk] increase in the years to come and will the fobt players move online where stakes aren't restricted? if the answer is yes to both then marketing on social media will be under the spotlight.

 

[mack341]

It's far easier for the vulnerable to walk into the local bookies or casino or Amusement Arcade than it is for them to open and learn about online gaming accounts. I mean how may millions in the UK watch sport each week which is absolutely saturated with gambling ads, compare with the relatively few who watch YT gambling content?

rereading your reply and thinking a bit more about it, maybe the SOW checks will stop the vulnerable from getting in trouble online in which case the youtube streamers will probably continue unaffected

 

[ed skull murphy]

Stakewise rocknrolla is at the extreme end and ok many people will find it entertaining and not feel the need to try it for themselves but I fear, given the eductation and social/poverty problems in the UK, there will be a significant minority that are going to get in trouble after watching videos like his and nick's.

It's no different than pro poker players being televised, imo. If you are good at casino games, then why not show off a bit, Rocknrolla's a bit of a superstar in that regard. At least he has a level-headed approach to his gambling, and he preaches that to his flock.

Whether Youtube address the issue now or UKGC a few years down the road [given how long it took them to limit fobts], I think this type of marketing will be stopped eventually. If UKGC do something it will probably be drastic and end up affecting all the youtube channels.

Don't give them ideas, we are being regulated enough. I have never played a FOBT, and have no desire to. At least online punters have a reasonable chance to cash out.

 

[mack341]

It's no different than pro poker players being televised, imo. If you are good at casino games, then why not show off a bit, Rocknrolla's a bit of a superstar in that regard. At least he has a level-headed approach to his gambling, and he preaches that to his flock.



Don't give them ideas, we are being regulated enough. I have never played a FOBT, and have no desire to. At least online punters have a reasonable chance to cash out.

Yeah I realise rocknrolla is a bit of a character and he should have the right to gamble the way he wants to, I don't watch enough of his streams to be uptodate with his approach, a few mins ago I visited his youtube channel to look at the imagery and it did seem to be a bit different from how I remembered it, more of the videos now have a question mark attached to the text and unlike Nick rocknrolla isn't pictured facepalming or smiling like a cheshire cat on every big win video.

I think though I have overlooked the effect the SOW checks will have moving forward, and so even if some people want to copy rocknrolla and play max stakes unless their wealth/responsible gambling check allows for it then they won't be able to.

 

[mack341]

In one thread with a few replies, I have become like the indecisive dave character from the fast show:

 

[colinsunderland]

What can the UKGC do? It's an international thing and the UK doesn't rule the planet any more. All they can do is ensure the picture ads are compliant which is already done by casinos' affy programmes and is the sensible way to protect UK players.

I just had a quick look at one streamer mentioned in this thread and the ad on the first video on the page is not compliant for UK advertising. Yes they have 18+, T&C's apply etc but don't have any significant terms listed. There is plenty of space so they should be there. That is partly down to affiliate managers letting them get away with it but I'll bet anyone that at some point in the future we will see fines for that exact thing, as it is specifically mentioned in the CAP code.

What do I need to include in my advertising?

Significant conditions must always be prominently displayed with an advertised offer. Other terms and conditions of the offer must be, at most, ‘one click’ away from the advertising.

Significant conditions are those which are likely to affect a consumer’s understanding of the promotion, and include any requirements for a consumer to deposit their own funds, together with details of play-through or wagering requirements. More specifically, these could include, but are not limited to: restricted odds; eligibility; deposit, wagering and withdrawal requirements - whether limitations or for different games.

 

[lockinlove]

Meh,I find this one soooooooo annoying...

Streamer: Oh no what just happened, shiiiiiiit, I can't believe it, did you see that guys? What just happened...Whilst saying this facepalming, looking in utter disbelief after another "HUUUUUGE WIN"...Like some of them should be nominated for a Razzie...100% /puke

lol Im glad you think how you do about streamers. Some of these idiots get away with alot. That fool daskelele is now doing replays using viewbots

 

[Naok777]

What can the UKGC do? It's an international thing and the UK doesn't rule the planet any more.

The only thing they could realistically do would be to get youtube to region block the videos, same way tons of music related stuff is blocked on a massive scale for viewers in Germany (or at least used to be, no idea if they ever sorted that mess out).

 

[Borgie]

Easy to make yourself look the good guy by donating 10% of wins to charity though isn't it when you are raking in thousands of affiliate fees, don't get me wrong I don't think he's an awful human being he's making a very decent living out of it but when you see the guy buying nice cars going on flash holidays and boasting about putting all his winnings into his 'daughters account'... meanwhile his referrals that sign up because they see unrealistic wins on stream and think they can emulate them, lose all their dosh and he gets a cut.

Oh and the fact he denies he's a problem gambler, it's not healthy, unless maybe he isn't a problem gambler and he's funded by the casino? That's just speculation, of course.

Loads of the member on here are affiliates - they make money the same way by people signing up through their links and losing - its no different except Nick and others stream too and there is nothing wrong with it - nobody is forcing anyone to sign up . Nick wins and looses he is down this year . I see many losing streams as well as the winning ones . He made a lot of money from the sale of casinogrounds so yes he is well off.

It sounds like jealously that you seem peeved he can have a nice car and holidays and save for his daughters future. I'm sorry but people are grown ups, he doesn't promise that if you sign up you will win and as I said all the affiliates in here also make money if the people who sign up to their links lose.

He may not be the nicest guy all the time but I see no wrong in what he does - he is honest and transparent. He is not funded by the casino . He shows his deposits and the casinos he plays at are mainly accredited here . They wouldn't be accredited here if they were giving out fake money to con people.

 

[AndyP24]

Loads of the member on here are affiliates - they make money the same way by people signing up through their links and losing - its no different except Nick and others stream too and there is nothing wrong with it - nobody is forcing anyone to sign up . Nick wins and looses he is down this year . I see many losing streams as well as the winning ones . He made a lot of money from the sale of casinogrounds so yes he is well off.

It sounds like jealously that you seem peeved he can have a nice car and holidays and save for his daughters future. I'm sorry but people are grown ups, he doesn't promise that if you sign up you will win and as I said all the affiliates in here also make money if the people who sign up to their links lose.

He may not be the nicest guy all the time but I see no wrong in what he does - he is honest and transparent. He is not funded by the casino . He shows his deposits and the casinos he plays at are mainly accredited here . They wouldn't be accredited here if they were giving out fake money to con people.

I can't agree I'm afraid, we will have to agree to disagree on this one I think! Something just doesn't sit right with me that as you say yourself, he's down for the year on the slots (not by much I believe) but that he can still have a pretty lavish lifestyle.

It's all very well saying everyone is grown ups but I can't help but wonder how many people who don't gamble or who are slightly underage watch his streams and have started to gamble and lost a lot, talking about this from a YouTube standpoint thats why I believe YT are making the correct decision with their stand point on this.

 

[lockinlove]

I can't agree I'm afraid, we will have to agree to disagree on this one I think! Something just doesn't sit right with me that as you say yourself, he's down for the year on the slots (not by much I believe) but that he can still have a pretty lavish lifestyle.

It's all very well saying everyone is grown ups but I can't help but wonder how many people who don't gamble or who are slightly underage watch his streams and have started to gamble and lost a lot, talking about this from a YouTube standpoint thats why I believe YT are making the correct decision with their stand point on this.

The only way its wrong, is if the streamer is a fake and is lying about it. It comes down to common sense. Can a person really sustain doing 20 euro spins every day? Does the person only play in a certain casino for the most part betting big? Does he/she seem genuine? These types of questions will tell most people whether they are legit or not. So if there are adults who believe everything they see, well then thats nobodies problem but theirs and their IQ.

Lets use Casino Daddy for example. He had 700 viewers until they started a fight with roshtein over top viewers, Suddenly their viewers went to 2500 to compete with him. They play in one casino usually betting huge. Then go to videoslots and are scared doing 2 euro bets or nervous anyways. Are they fake? I dont know but common sense tells me its possible and therefore I do not watch the channel.

Slotspinner. Had 70 viewers betting 60 cents/ Claimed he was doing so well he moved to sweden to stream more. Showed up in letsgiveitaspin streams at casino offices. Instantly went up to 300 viewers and 5-20 euro spins. Is he fake? Possibly. SO I dont watch.

Miikapekka. Fun. started small stakes. Built his way up to a little bit bigger bets of $1-2 euro. Plays on various casinos taking bonuses when he can. Forced to take breaks when running bad. Is he fake? Not a chance in my mind.

Anyone who doesnt gamble and is in the casino section of twitch or youtube.. when there are 5 million other sections tells me one thing. They are gamblers. You might come across the odd person who got there by accident but if they are there, they at the very least have a general interest.

There is a reason why there are age restrictions. Because science and studies suggest the ages they are set at is when a human matures and their decision making is at its most mature. You may as well take away alcohol, smoking, weed and everything else if it hasnt nothing to do with being grown up. And force everyone to be robots instead of allowing them to use their brain.

 

[theapple]

i dont think any streamers mentioned here are actually fake though. At least not ones on the last 1-2 pages. Even Rosh with his playstyle seems genuine or at least is a really great actor/affiliate What most people seem to ignore here is how those smaller casinos, often with worse terms are giving popular streamers much better bonuses than VS/Rizk and such would. Hell, i remember how he used to give out like 20.000 free spins during his streamers, so he either owns the place or has a really good deal with them, something he wouldnt be able to get elsewhere.

I dont watch streamers often now but i remember when roshtein played at multilotto he had something like permanent 500% bonus. Even with their not so great terms (think it was 70x wagering, or possibly worse) and his super degenerate way to play, that bonus was +ev

 

[mack341]

Streamers should only be using the same bonuses as everybody else, otherwise the casino is funding the stream indirectly. Given their deposit levels they would probably be entitled to vip bonuses, could be 1 or 2 deposit match bonuses a week if lucky, and that would be it. Then the streams would be more realistic, when I use to watch nickslots abit I'm sure he was getting at least 1 deposit match bonus every day.

 

[zap987]

Streamers should only be using the same bonuses as everybody else, otherwise the casino is funding the stream indirectly. Given their deposit levels they would probably be entitled to vip bonuses, could be 1 or 2 deposit match bonuses a week if lucky, and that would be it. Then the streams would be more realistic, when I use to watch nickslots abit I'm sure he was getting at least 1 deposit match bonus every day.

But what is wrong with the casino indirectly funding the streamers with better bonuses? Or rather it's the viewers funding the streamer by signing up on affiliate links and the casino then passes some of that money on to the streamer. Do you think it's wrong this website operates on the same principle and if so why are you posting here?

I very much doubt there are many fake money streamers out there anymore, most of the bigger ones play at respected casinos that wouldn't allow it.

 

[ed skull murphy]

... same way tons of music related stuff is blocked on a massive scale for viewers in Germany (or at least used to be, no idea if they ever sorted that mess out).

What was that about, then, breach of copyright?

 

[mack341]

But what is wrong with the casino indirectly funding the streamers with better bonuses? Or rather it's the viewers funding the streamer by signing up on affiliate links and the casino then passes some of that money on to the streamer. Do you think it's wrong this website operates on the same principle and if so why are you posting here?

I very much doubt there are many fake money streamers out there anymore, most of the bigger ones play at respected casinos that wouldn't allow it.

I think you are comparing apples and oranges here. My point was the streams on youtube should be realistic, and the streamer does receive affliate income from the casino in any case. He should be able to tailor his stake level and frequency of streams using his own income [be it through affliation or another job etc] and make use of the bonuses that are given out to normal customers such as the ones who will sign up through his links.

 

[Naok777]

What was that about, then, breach of copyright?

Pretty much, it was some dispute between the local license owners and how much of a cut they should get from youtube and in absence of an agreement a wide range of videos ended up being region blocked due to technically violating copyright there.

While the issue at hand with gambling is a different one, the same "just block access then" approach could be the result if the UKGC complains about youtube too much.

 

[eizei]

I think you are comparing apples and oranges here. My point was the streams on youtube should be realistic, and the streamer does receive affliate income from the casino in any case. He should be able to tailor his stake level and frequency of streams using his own income [be it through affliation or another job etc] and make use of the bonuses that are given out to normal customers such as the ones who will sign up through his links.

But the streamers are playing the same exact games that anyone else does. Frequency of wins, bonuses or anything like that is exactly the same so I really don't see at all how is it not realistic. I would even argue that most mainstream advertising is much less realistic and much more intentionally misleading than these slot streamers playing slots. In my opinion there is no problem even if casinos gave most streamers no deposit bonuses to play with (I'm sure some do but from what I've seen the majority still use some kind of deposit bonuses).

I constantly see comments and posts about fake money and fake streamers and I've even tried to look into some of those claims out of sheer curiosity but I've never seen any kind of proof for any of them. Most common arguments seem to be related to how the streamers react when getting big wins for example which to me is absolutely ridiculous to base such claims on. Slot streamers seem to get a lot of shit flung at them and I don't really understand why. If you go on youtube to watch big win compilations and think that surely I will get some big wins too if I go deposit and end up losing money, perhaps even more than you originally intended to, there is no one to blame but yourself.

 

[mack341]

But the streamers are playing the same exact games that anyone else does. Frequency of wins, bonuses or anything like that is exactly the same so I really don't see at all how is it not realistic. I would even argue that most mainstream advertising is much less realistic and much more intentionally misleading than these slot streamers playing slots. In my opinion there is no problem even if casinos gave most streamers no deposit bonuses to play with (I'm sure some do but from what I've seen the majority still use some kind of deposit bonuses).

I constantly see comments and posts about fake money and fake streamers and I've even tried to look into some of those claims out of sheer curiosity but I've never seen any kind of proof for any of them. Most common arguments seem to be related to how the streamers react when getting big wins for example which to me is absolutely ridiculous to base such claims on. Slot streamers seem to get a lot of shit flung at them and I don't really understand why. If you go on youtube to watch big win compilations and think that surely I will get some big wins too if I go deposit and end up losing money perhaps even more than you originally intended to, there is no one to blame but yourself.

I agree the slots are realistic, though some of the streamers do seem to regularly hit big while othes don't. If you compare the bandit's hit rate [the bandit doesn't stream but compiles highlights of his sessions 3 or 4 times a week] with nickslots, jimbocasino and rocknrolla, he rarely gets a good win and has to try and get a recovery using the reel king gamble feature. I don't think the casino is actually rigging the slots to benefit a particular streamer though, its just odd to see the bandit who plays a lot rarely win compared to the others i've mentioned.

What I mean't by realism is for the streamer to receive the same casino deposit bonuses available to everybody else, if that means they have to play at lower stakes or for less time then that is what responsible gambling means, and which as a casino(s) affliate they should practice. And they can then play higher stakes when their funds allow it, and their funds will include affliate income earned from the stream signups which is normal.

I think overall it is better for everyone if gambling is done in moderation, and that needs to be included in its portrayal on social media.

Regarding Youtube who know's whats happening, the old streams are available to watch say on nickslots channel but there haven't been any new ones for a week.
I expect there are lots of people pissed off they can't watch their favourite streamers unless they use twitch, but I'm sure it will be resolved soon.

 

[lockinlove]

But what is wrong with the casino indirectly funding the streamers with better bonuses? Or rather it's the viewers funding the streamer by signing up on affiliate links and the casino then passes some of that money on to the streamer. Do you think it's wrong this website operates on the same principle and if so why are you posting here?

I very much doubt there are many fake money streamers out there anymore, most of the bigger ones play at respected casinos that wouldn't allow it.

Sadly, this is what too many people think.

Alot of those streamers are fake. We have had 3 well known casinos tell us/we they have been approached by some of the bigger streamers for fake money. Even slotsmillion sort of addressed that in a thread. Leo Vegas got caught funding casinorobot with fake money. Casinomax offers streamers the option to play with fake money and so does casino rewards and so does some caddell.

One of my close friends is a streamer. Ive read at least 12 emails where he has been offered to play with fake money too.

 

[lockinlove]

Streamers should only be using the same bonuses as everybody else, otherwise the casino is funding the stream indirectly. Given their deposit levels they would probably be entitled to vip bonuses, could be 1 or 2 deposit match bonuses a week if lucky, and that would be it. Then the streams would be more realistic, when I use to watch nickslots abit I'm sure he was getting at least 1 deposit match bonus every day.

Not really. Even with a bonus ive seen streamers lose thousands in a month. The casino is just helping them get more play time which in turn gives them both more advertising before going broke too fast

 

[Borgie]

Sadly, this is what too many people think.

Alot of those streamers are fake. We have had 3 well known casinos tell us/we they have been approached by some of the bigger streamers for fake money. Even slotsmillion sort of addressed that in a thread. Leo Vegas got caught funding casinorobot with fake money. Casinomax offers streamers the option to play with fake money and so does casino rewards and so does some caddell.

One of my close friends is a streamer. Ive read at least 12 emails where he has been offered to play with fake money too.

If streamers are offered fake money to stream by casinos that are accredited here that is dreadful. If there is any proof of this that can be passed to a mod maybe?

 

[dunover]

I can see both sides here - from a slotter's point of view it's ridiculous a player can sit playing on a stream with no incentive other than to basically demonstrate slots for the purpose of advertising. Then again the advertising industry routinely uses fakery and replacement in the very ads you watch every day - that glass of cold orange juice with condensation on the outside - simply a wax model for example. As long as the product advertised is what is actually delivered to the customer, the means of advertising it and its representation aren't necessarily illegal or disingenuous but in fact routine. The young couple driving the convertible car in an Audi ad, seemingly blazing through the countryside with wind in their hair, in fact on a rolling road behind a wind machine, yet this in no way depicts something that wouldn't be possible with the product in question. So from a legal standpoint, does a sponsored fake streamer demonstrate anything that would NOT be possible for a new customer playing real cash?

I think some on here don't understand the world of advertising. Yes, I think it's bloody stupid but illegal or rogue? Unfortunately no I'd say.