Wanna get real F^%$ing mad?

[lots0]

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This is what we are coming to.

The Banks cause the financial melt down in the first place because of their greed.

Then we the tax payer bail them out to the tune of Hundreds of Billions (I can't even imagine that number).

Now the banks are evicting disabled old ladies out into the street...

Simply because the Banks want the property and don't want to deal with people that Rent. The disabled woman in this story payed her rent, on time, but she is still getting kicked out to the street, with nowhere to go.

These Bankers need a good solid HARD dose of 'foot to the ass' and a long spell in a prison cell...

God Damn, this makes me angry........

 

[jetset]

And it's happening all over the world as these greedy banking bastards continue to soak up taxpayer's money and hold onto it instead of using it to help get the economies up and running again.

I think it will take a long time before bankers recover any sort of respect and status after this mess.

 

[Mousey]

Seems 'our' money (the bailout bazillions) went to the wrong people. Duuuh! They brought their banks down by gambling ... on tilt... riding the cheap housing loan wave... and what do we do? Give them MORE money -- to these same CEOs -- with no oversight as to what they do with it? Meanwhile, they're throwing people out into the street (as they collect their fat bonuses and fly their families around the world in company airplanes...)

/rant

 

[footdr]

PLEASE READ MY THREAD "EMAIL YOU SENATORS"

The Senate will have floor debate this week on Oversight and Economic Stimulus Plan.

Please email them your concerns.

 

[bryand]

Today our new Treasury Secretary, Timothy Geithner, unveiled the latest financial bailout package and the NYSE sunk. The ongoing question is whether this types of stimulus will help at all. At present, Bloomberg News is suing the US government for specifics of the first $350 tranche under the Freedom of Information Act. Today Geithner basically said he will not tell how much money goes to which institution or the proposed use of funds until "we get it right". WTF??

The US senate is on the verge of passing a +/- $900 bn economic stimulus package that is really a congressional wish list spending bill in disguise. Obama recently asked the media rhetorically: "What do you think a stimulus plan is?" But Obama is clearly becoming frustrated with members of both parties of congress due to earmarks. Pelosi, Reid and Obama previously stated that earmarks are no longer acceptable. WTF??

Republican members of both houses of congress are obviously stalling the stimulus package wanting less pork and more tax cuts. Interestingly Obamas team recently said that tax cuts are not helpful in good times OR bad times. This statement continues to be debated among economists for reasons beyond me. But Obama said in his recent press conference: I suppose what I could have done is started off with no tax cuts, knowing that I was going to want some, and then let them take credit for all of them. WTF??

My question is whether other forum members believe Geithners assertion: Still, the country should know that the program will involve costs to the government and risks, but he said the alternative of doing nothing would be far riskier. As costly as this effort may be, we know that the complete collapse of our financial system would be incalculable for families, for businesses, and for our nation."

 

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DAMN OBAMA SURE KNOWS HOW TO BULLSHIT THE PUBLIC

Per Obama, "the package contains no PORK or EARMARKS. Yea right!
And exactly what taxpayers is this package going to significantly help?

My answer is no taxpayers will get significant help they need. A few items regarding increased Unemployment Benefits and Tax rebate(only to less than half of the taxpayers and small business) obviously were included to "pacify" taxpayers attempting to fullfill Campaign promises.

The Banks continue to SCREW their customers both in regard to deposit account fees and unfair practices and credit cards. Yet we are still bailing them out not even having a clear picture of their current "balance sheets"(the words of Obama)

Whatever, there will be no change. Without the Public receiving their fair share of "bailout" help I suspect they will not feel confident to resume spending and investing when they continually see their tax dollars going down the drain.

So, what a waste, and what a major snow job. Anyone who believes this wishy-washy bullshit is in for a rude awakening.

When will the American Public learn that the only way to force change in Government is through organized protest and involvement by the Citizens as provided by our Constitution and Bill of Rights!

Those families working and putting their children through College with no assistance of the U.S. or State Governments and paying nearly 1/2 of their income in taxes(all forms of taxes) are getting screwed. In this Country these families support those who failed to take advantage of Educational opportunities or mismanaged their money or had more Children then they could support, etc.. I am one Citizen who is tired of being a Welfare Agency while my tax dollars are needless wasted.

Enough!!

 

[cynthial]

From the mouth of the ole curmudgeon himself, Jack Cafferty. If he agrees that it is loaded with "pork" then there is hope yet.

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NEW YORK (CNN) -- Well, that didn't take long. Three weeks into the new administration and the Democrats are squandering their advantage and threatening to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Credit House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for getting the ball rolling. Under her leadership, House Democrats excluded Republicans from having any voice in crafting the stimulus package.

Acting like children who hadn't seen Santa Claus for eight years, House Democrats busily loaded up the bill with stuff they had been unable to get for eight years. It was payback time.

Contraception, funding for the arts, restoration of the national mall, stop-smoking programs. All while Americans lose their homes, their jobs, and their savings. It was both childish and disgraceful.

Apparently tone deaf to the disgust and disappointment of Americans with the bailout package for Wall Street and the banks last year, as well as the voters' strongly stated desire for change as represented by the election of Barack Obama, House Democrats set the table for failure -- again.

Not a single Republican in the House voted for the bill, despite efforts by our new president to reach out to the other side. Nancy Pelosi strikes again.

When asked if the lack of Republican support was at least partly her fault, she gave some snotty answer about not being partisan but working for the American people. Right.

My guess is President Obama is busy these days sticking pins in his Nancy Pelosi doll. To his credit, Obama argued against a lot of the pork while stressing that time is our enemy. Pelosi could care less.

As the legislation headed for the Senate amid cries for more stimulus and less pork, the Republicans pounced. Sensing yet another Democratic miscalculation, the Republicans seized the advantage in the debate.

They want more tax cuts and more real stimulus -- stuff that will create jobs now. Not some pie in the sky proposal that may pay dividends years down the road. And they're right.

The real game starts if and when the Senate passes a bill devoid of a bunch of the garbage the House Democrats stuffed into it. Then it goes to a conference committee where the drama will be whether, in a grand twist of irony, President Obama and the Republicans wind up aligned against members of the Democratic Party in an effort to get something realistic on the table before the economy simply slides the rest of the way into a deep crevasse.

Meanwhile, angry voters are jamming Capitol Hill phone lines screaming about the politics as usual that is so far the hallmark of the new administration. Welcome to Washington, Mr. Obama.

When it comes to the Democrats under Nancy Pelosi, what was it Pogo used to say? "We have met the enemy and it is us."

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[El_Bastardo]

I dunno guys, I've watched a lot of American politics over the years -- us Canadians live in the shadow of the beast doncha know -- and it seems to me like there's a lot of politicking going on south of the border these days.

Aside from the fundamental problems in the American economy today I think it's pretty fair to say that the rampant deregulation championed by the Reps has seriously deepened the problem by inviting a bad case of corruption and profiteering in many sectors, especially including the Wall Street sharks and the military-industrial machine that has been gorging itself on the war budget.

Oh yes, remember that? The war budget. How many mega-billions was that? And where exactly was that being spent? In that case the only way for Americans to benefit from the huge expenditure was by the wages paid the troops (minuscule) and the excesses of the supply and contractor companies (massive).

In the meantime the Reps let the homeland economy slide into crisis and ruin while banging on the "tax cut" and "deregulation" drums. That worked well for you did it? You ought to know, you're living the results of it right now, and will be for decades to come.

So now the Dems want to spend pretty much the same amount of money at home, largely on stuff that will directly benefit Americans via jobs, money injected into the economy, infrastructure, and so on. And this is a bad thing?

North of the border we are no strangers to the government pushing cash into the economy when it needs it. It does work, at least in the short and medium term, but it also leaves you with that nasty debt headache to deal with afterwords. Sometimes that's no big deal, if you can actually grow your economy and get ahead of the ball. Sometimes though it turns you into Argentina.

I don't know whether it's obvious to you guys like it seems to be to a lot of the rest of us but if your government doesn't do something constructive to curtail the free-fall that you are in now you're going to be mailing us your forum posts via carrier pigeons. That's what happens when the power goes out due to lack of cash and wide-spread infrastructure failures (already happening!). When your computer turns into just another place for the cats to sit you can ask yourselves "well, how did we get here?" but it might be just a tad late.

Politicking is great and we all thank America for how it has revitalized world interest in world affairs (meaning America) but sometimes it's just smoke and mirrors to dupe the punters. That's pretty much the scam the Reps are running on you guys now: they created the problems, or seriously exacerbated existing ones, and now they want to wrap themselves in the "for the people!" shroud and claim fiscal righteousness? What a joke! But I guess that's what you do when you've been kicked out of the vault for filling your pockets and pumping cash into your friends swimming pools for eight years.

All this "pork" and "earmarks" chatter is basically just sloganeering when you look at it in the context of the crisis the new administration has to deal with. The bottom line is that that Reps have no clue how to _really_ deal with the problems America faces and are still too drunk on the rhetoric and bullshit of the past eight years to even begin to deal with this issue seriously. They'd rather bang out their (failed) ideological tunes and get whatever air-time they can out of the opposition grandstand they've erected for themselves. Yay, go GOP! As if!

Face it guys: the Reps are guilty as sin, your economy is in the toilet, you have to borrow heavily from the Chinese to pay your bills, and the Dems have to deal with it. So what are you gonna do? Seriously, what do you do? Bitching about "pork" and "earmarks" may make you feel good but it ain't gonna keep the repo men from kicking in your front door when the time comes to deal with reality for a change.

 

[bryand]

Great comments potatoheadmax, IMO. I've finally become accustomed to the backlash of criticism against my foolish, arrogant government. Many, if not most, average Americans feel the same way. We have not learned from history - for example the fall of the Romans, Greeks and British. We continue to take comfort that when the sea level falls, all ships drop, and America remains atop. Atop of what I haven't a clue.

 

[cynthial]

So now the Dems want to spend pretty much the same amount of money at home, largely on stuff that will directly benefit Americans via jobs, money injected into the economy, infrastructure, and so on. And this is a bad thing?

No, not a bad thing. But we were sold the package on the premise that there would be NO PORK, NONE. That came directly from the top. And it is still being described as PORK FREE when anyone with eyes can go and see it is/was laden with it. It is now getting trimmed of some of the excess and becoming somewhat more streamlined toward doing what it should. Stimulate growth to create jobs.

If the last several years have taught us anything at all it is that politics as usual in Washington must stop. Our citizens are demanding change. The bill as first submitted was more of the same.

Jack Cafferty has never been an admirer of Republican Politics and has always spoken out without sugar coating his views. So when he shakes his finger at Pelosi and suggests that " we have seen the enemy and it is us", well, it shows just how over the top some of these requests were.

Fingers crossed, the revised bill is going to pass and we can get on with attempting to get back on track.

 

[jetset]

Trying to load this critical proposal with earmarks for irrelevant crap that would not otherwise pass, or pork to keep individual constituents or interests happy borders on the unpatriotic imo - whether Democrats or Republicans indulging in this American political chicanery, it's wrong when these "representatives of the people" are supposed to be pulling together to save the US economy.


I hope it has had a really good trimming to get the House to sign up for it.

Most of all I really hope a close eye is being kept on exactly where the largesse is being deployed, and what is done with it. So far all I continue to see from the banks internationally is expressions of contrition but not much else.

Maybe the economy would have benefited quicker if at least some of this colossal avalanche of government/taxpayers' money had been placed back in the hands of the taxpayer to induce more spending.