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I don't work on the trading floor, but I'm an attorney who services a variety of financial institutions, including broker/dealers.

This isn't the exciting, hilarious answer you want, but a lot of people had no idea it was even happening until the past 48 hours, and even now, it's mostly just a funny news article about some internet trolls making a bubble.

This is a big deal to the shorting community, but to the other 99% of the financial world, nobody gives a shit.

As much as young people on the internet like to imagine this as an epic, David vs Goliath, Wall Street vs Main Street showdown for the history books, from a bird's eye view it's actually just a brief dumpster fire where a couple hedge funds lost their shirts betting on one little small cap stock. It has happened before, and it will happen again.

In 6 months, nobody will remember or care, except that (maybe) it will become more difficult for retail investors to trade options.

And not because the greedy hedge fund oligarchs forced the SEC to crack down on retail investors. But rather because, when this is all said and done, there is going to be a black hole where most of these retail investors' brokerage accounts used to be, and the SEC and brokerage community will be lambasted for failing to protect unsophisticated investors from a bubble.

I have been monitoring the WSB threads, and while the WSB veterans know that they're making a suicide charge for the memes, they have brought thousands of naive, new investors with them - who predominantly think that they're going to somehow come out on top, not realizing that they're cannon fodder for the more savvy WSB users to exit with gains.

Redditors never seem to stop and think about why the WSB guys know so much about derivatives trading. Or how they seem to know how to access and read from a Bloomberg terminal. Or why there are so many users there that can seemingly drop tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars on complicated meme plays.

How do you think that WSB knew that GME was open to a short squeeze and a gamma squeeze play?

WSB's power users are younger finance bros. It's 30-something investment bankers and portfolio managers memeing with each other and cosplaying as "autists."

If you didn't know what a gamma squeeze was 48 hours ago, you are their exit strategy and the down payment on their next Porsche.

Saw this and think my guess about what's happening/happened is pretty similar, not guessing anyones occupation but their motive and what they did is quite clear, of course you get more people in when you start fight to beat these wall street big sharks with group power, let's make big money to taste their own medicine etc... instead of could you spend your money to make me profit. Pitty that there are so many people who "invested" huge amount of money they have to something they don't understand anything and unfortunately also that kind of people who are happy to remove these people money to their own pockets after encouraging them to "invest" all money you have and be a millionaire.
 

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Always fancied buying some stocks on a regular basis, like a monthly deposit but no idea how it works! Seems quite complicated. If I wanted to put in £50 per month say, what would something worthwhile trying for long term?

I got an app called capital.com and I'm looking to buy £50 worth of something to start me off and play around with and see how it all works, if I lose it, that's fine, but thinking long term I'd like to give it a go and start building a small portfolio
 

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Always fancied buying some stocks on a regular basis, like a monthly deposit but no idea how it works! Seems quite complicated. If I wanted to put in £50 per month say, what would something worthwhile trying for long term?

I got an app called capital.com and I'm looking to buy £50 worth of something to start me off and play around with and see how it all works, if I lose it, that's fine, but thinking long term I'd like to give it a go and start building a small portfolio
With all that is going on right now, it's a little too volatile, BUT this is the start of many great opportunities to get into companies for cheaper once this settles. :) That is if they don't regulate or make up some stupid rules.
 

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With all that is going on right now, it's a little too volatile, BUT this is the start of many great opportunities to get into companies for cheaper once this settles. :) That is if they don't regulate or make up some stupid rules.
I fancy some cybersecurity stocks, I think that's the way the world's headed, technology, technology, technology. Someone's got to secure it somehow right? Might start researching and see where I end up! Thanks for starting this thread, hopefully get some tips
 

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I fancy some cybersecurity stocks, I think that's the way the world's headed, technology, technology, technology. Someone's got to secure it somehow right? Might start researching and see where I end up! Thanks for starting this thread, hopefully get some tips
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If I was still in my 20's, 30's I'd consider looking in to a green energy/alternatives ETF and fund every time I could. Have to do your research though. Who knows where it could be 20-30 years from now, you might retire well.
 

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Always fancied buying some stocks on a regular basis, like a monthly deposit but no idea how it works! Seems quite complicated. If I wanted to put in £50 per month say, what would something worthwhile trying for long term?

I got an app called capital.com and I'm looking to buy £50 worth of something to start me off and play around with and see how it all works, if I lose it, that's fine, but thinking long term I'd like to give it a go and start building a small portfolio

I think monthly investment is good for long term, you diversify (dunno if that's good word to use) risk of losing big in price changes when you keep buying all the time so you whole position is not bought with one same price. Also if willing to invest for saving and gain capital, it's good do every month instead of "when i remember" it's really fast habit that every payday when you pay bills, you buy some stock which i guess can be quite easily automated as well but especially in beginning it can be nice do it manually to get used to platform, analyze how your portfolio is doing etc...

Investing stocks is usually long term project (except these Reddit peeps who daytrade their all savings in options but that's gambling, not investing) but it's nice to see when capital is growing and compounding quite nicely after certain time.

Process itself is really simple, biggest thing probably is decide where you wanna put your money, often it's recommended to split it for few different assets/companies that your all eggs are not in one basket, wouldn't pick too many, you don't wanna end up to buy 50 stocks with £1 every month :). When you know what you want, then it shouldn't be much more complicated these days than deposit and chose which slot you play, there are huge amount of different platforms for different type of users, i would say you are looking something with very low fees, you don't wanna pay £20 from your £50 as comission, checked quicky capital dot com you mentioned, that looks mostly trading platform where you loads of bying and selling, they don't take commission (it's priced somewhere in product prices or what ever, we know that nobody do things for free but at least no really big expenses in that one). I would probably chose some platform where are more products available, including bonds and other boring saving stuff but sometimes there are always moments when you want have your funds just safe, having loads of different instruments from bonds to stocks and etf:s is always good that you have loads to choose and can esily move your funds from investment to other in same platform. I have no idea what would be best, little bit google and comparing fees and what everything they have usually is enough, that's not gonna make huge difference as long fees don't eat too much from your monthly amount. I know many who have started and still use CC Trader, it's probably very common platform, you have access to many different country stock exchanges and loads of other things which should be enough, you of course chose place where you find what you are interested and preferably more, as said, during years there are different shit storms when you might temporarily just have your funds safe when ie. stocks are all diving big time.

You're planning to start long term project so you probably wanna chose something you believe is doing good in long term, i often end up to buy huge companies, just due to reason that i can't see them easily collapse (like Coca Cola as example), these usually are quite low risk, low reward type conservative stocks, then also can think which industry you think will blow in next 10-20 years and find company or ETF for that industry (cannabis companies can be used example in this category, these prices have already raised as people do buy them as they believe it's gonna get bigger and bigger industry), you might pick some smaller not yet huge company but what you believe have valid chance to do well in competition and at least stay alive or get acquired by some big competitor which means nice payday for owners and there are endless number of other ways how people decide their investment and splitting it at least to few places makes it already much less risky.

Just try all the time know what and why you are doing something and stick in your strategy (of course can tweak it better and portfolios naturally develope when they grow), if you decide to save £50/month long term, stick in that and don't listen these Reddit WSB peeps who wanna get rich in hour, if you wanna save and invest old boring way, you mostly just make your monthly buys and not much more, you believe what you started to buy and most of the times when sticking in this you gain nice money but it just happens slowly and many says boring but it just works. Don't know many people who wouldn't save quite nice amount if they just have done their monthly investment and sticking in that and let capital keep compounding for you. Where you put your money you can set your risk appetite, you can have part in some really secure companies, ETF or what ever you chose and part to some smaller companies which you believe have chance to rocket, these of course are not really easy to find and actually know how they do for long period but that's maybe why put everything to some startups but just little bit to some speculative things where you might lose but also hit progressive jackpot, these kind of stocks have much bigger volatility, opposite for many big traditional ones.

I would say that most difficult thing is to get started, i know many people who still after years are still planning to start soon :) Best time of course was long time ago, second time is always soon as possible, ie. next payday. There been these Reddit stocks now lately but market in general is not affected by these, of course now everything have gone up for long time and many have wait downswing 5 years now, there are always some corrections up and down coming but if you going to save/invest next 30-50 years or what ever, you'll see ups and downs, good dip would be nice now, just getting more with same money and until this moment these downs always been turning ups sooner or later what ever have happened so just being calm and keep making monthly buys you get over these, that's one nice point in investing little bit every month, you should never be forced to sell in bad price when you don't have any loans or any type of leverage but only savings which nobody force you to cashout.

Huups, long post with probably most horrible written text in this world... sorry, but guess these few points tried to make, can be found :) As we re in CM, one interesting industry is gaming of course, many of big casinos are listed in stock exchange, mostly Sweden and Norway, i like to own some of these, have got these for some different reasons and living in Malta keeps me quite near what's happening in industry so for me one quite natural pick as can try to figure out who's doing good and who's not. Now when checking, it was good idea to buy some GIG when they were doing really bad, had to sell all their casino brands etc... but also whole company was restructured to only B2B with significally lower costs and CEO+board people i thought could make operations run again and what matters, make it profitable, both them with 4-5 nok price and today seem to be over 13, it was just so cheap that thought it's gonna bounce back up little bit (not to over 60 it once was) or with that price, soon some big competitor buy whole thing away if there is even one asset they want, dunno which was better but now it looks much more stable when reading their reports. Probably gonna get rid of part of my GIG:s to take little profit and leave rest to see what happens.
 

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Ya boy! :)

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I'm pretty sure these work better for entertainment purposes :) For sure can learn some basics how to trade with stocks but other guy promising to show how everybody make portfolio that beat SP500 always and the other guy have a page full of clips about stocks you should buy fast because he did, so other words fund his profits :) For learning purposes would really chose some boring books written by some people who have huge knowledge and experience from finance world, it's quite easy to check authors references if not sure if somebody is expert in your eyes that would be worth of reading. Getting rich fast youtubes are entertaining like some think are slot streamers but following their examples usually don't have really positive impact to your money in any longer term.

Like said earlier, day trading is really entertaining method of gambling but i'm boomer age who wouldn't call this investing but gambling. Was reading little bit WSB Reddit page and understand these peeps who wanna get rich now instead of after 20 years, many of them are quite young, some have seen two recessions already so might not have too positive picture about long term saving, can feel that these collapse soon again and my savings gone third time...

Still from these YOLO type of "investors" big majority end up broke like problem gamblers do (there are stories about people spent all their savings for day option trading) and very few manage to do big money and then stop, you just keep coming back, pretty much like gambling, not easy to stop rest of your life when getting that one huge win. You get same adrenaline and other rush from that gambling as well, just should take that pretty much same way than depositing to online casino, be ready that more common is to lose than win and don't chase your losses (like many there seem to be done), these platforms don't offer your leverage to be able to play bigger just for you to get rich easier but bit more like bonus buy, play with money you can't afford yourself, UKGC would love these trading leverages available also for people who have no idea what they do but follow what others said :)
 

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I think monthly investment is good for long term, you diversify (dunno if that's good word to use) risk of losing big in price changes when you keep buying all the time so you whole position is not bought with one same price. Also if willing to invest for saving and gain capital, it's good do every month instead of "when i remember" it's really fast habit that every payday when you pay bills, you buy some stock which i guess can be quite easily automated as well but especially in beginning it can be nice do it manually to get used to platform, analyze how your portfolio is doing etc...

Investing stocks is usually long term project (except these Reddit peeps who daytrade their all savings in options but that's gambling, not investing) but it's nice to see when capital is growing and compounding quite nicely after certain time.

Process itself is really simple, biggest thing probably is decide where you wanna put your money, often it's recommended to split it for few different assets/companies that your all eggs are not in one basket, wouldn't pick too many, you don't wanna end up to buy 50 stocks with £1 every month :). When you know what you want, then it shouldn't be much more complicated these days than deposit and chose which slot you play, there are huge amount of different platforms for different type of users, i would say you are looking something with very low fees, you don't wanna pay £20 from your £50 as comission, checked quicky capital dot com you mentioned, that looks mostly trading platform where you loads of bying and selling, they don't take commission (it's priced somewhere in product prices or what ever, we know that nobody do things for free but at least no really big expenses in that one). I would probably chose some platform where are more products available, including bonds and other boring saving stuff but sometimes there are always moments when you want have your funds just safe, having loads of different instruments from bonds to stocks and etf:s is always good that you have loads to choose and can esily move your funds from investment to other in same platform. I have no idea what would be best, little bit google and comparing fees and what everything they have usually is enough, that's not gonna make huge difference as long fees don't eat too much from your monthly amount. I know many who have started and still use CC Trader, it's probably very common platform, you have access to many different country stock exchanges and loads of other things which should be enough, you of course chose place where you find what you are interested and preferably more, as said, during years there are different shit storms when you might temporarily just have your funds safe when ie. stocks are all diving big time.

You're planning to start long term project so you probably wanna chose something you believe is doing good in long term, i often end up to buy huge companies, just due to reason that i can't see them easily collapse (like Coca Cola as example), these usually are quite low risk, low reward type conservative stocks, then also can think which industry you think will blow in next 10-20 years and find company or ETF for that industry (cannabis companies can be used example in this category, these prices have already raised as people do buy them as they believe it's gonna get bigger and bigger industry), you might pick some smaller not yet huge company but what you believe have valid chance to do well in competition and at least stay alive or get acquired by some big competitor which means nice payday for owners and there are endless number of other ways how people decide their investment and splitting it at least to few places makes it already much less risky.

Just try all the time know what and why you are doing something and stick in your strategy (of course can tweak it better and portfolios naturally develope when they grow), if you decide to save £50/month long term, stick in that and don't listen these Reddit WSB peeps who wanna get rich in hour, if you wanna save and invest old boring way, you mostly just make your monthly buys and not much more, you believe what you started to buy and most of the times when sticking in this you gain nice money but it just happens slowly and many says boring but it just works. Don't know many people who wouldn't save quite nice amount if they just have done their monthly investment and sticking in that and let capital keep compounding for you. Where you put your money you can set your risk appetite, you can have part in some really secure companies, ETF or what ever you chose and part to some smaller companies which you believe have chance to rocket, these of course are not really easy to find and actually know how they do for long period but that's maybe why put everything to some startups but just little bit to some speculative things where you might lose but also hit progressive jackpot, these kind of stocks have much bigger volatility, opposite for many big traditional ones.

I would say that most difficult thing is to get started, i know many people who still after years are still planning to start soon :) Best time of course was long time ago, second time is always soon as possible, ie. next payday. There been these Reddit stocks now lately but market in general is not affected by these, of course now everything have gone up for long time and many have wait downswing 5 years now, there are always some corrections up and down coming but if you going to save/invest next 30-50 years or what ever, you'll see ups and downs, good dip would be nice now, just getting more with same money and until this moment these downs always been turning ups sooner or later what ever have happened so just being calm and keep making monthly buys you get over these, that's one nice point in investing little bit every month, you should never be forced to sell in bad price when you don't have any loans or any type of leverage but only savings which nobody force you to cashout.

Huups, long post with probably most horrible written text in this world... sorry, but guess these few points tried to make, can be found :) As we re in CM, one interesting industry is gaming of course, many of big casinos are listed in stock exchange, mostly Sweden and Norway, i like to own some of these, have got these for some different reasons and living in Malta keeps me quite near what's happening in industry so for me one quite natural pick as can try to figure out who's doing good and who's not. Now when checking, it was good idea to buy some GIG when they were doing really bad, had to sell all their casino brands etc... but also whole company was restructured to only B2B with significally lower costs and CEO+board people i thought could make operations run again and what matters, make it profitable, both them with 4-5 nok price and today seem to be over 13, it was just so cheap that thought it's gonna bounce back up little bit (not to over 60 it once was) or with that price, soon some big competitor buy whole thing away if there is even one asset they want, dunno which was better but now it looks much more stable when reading their reports. Probably gonna get rid of part of my GIG:s to take little profit and leave rest to see what happens.
Thanks for the information, I'll try digest it later, busy day at work today. I was looking at easy jet due to the low price just now, once the coronavirus does one, I can see a lot of people going on holiday, seems too obvious though if you know what I mean? I don't mind buying in cheap now and letting it grow later. What I don't get with capital is the leverage (well I do a little) if I put £50 in I couldn't just buy £50 worth of something and see how that went, I haven’t to have some money sitting for the swings. Ie got plenty to research, and research I'll do. Honestly, I'm not greedy if I had a few k for when I retire in about 30+ years I'll be happy, enough to keep my golf membership paying for itself.

I'm UK based so will find what broker would work best for me.

Quick question, and I suppose everyone wants to to know the answer, how do you find out (early doors) about a stock like bitcoin? Imagine purchasing that when it first came on the market! Excuse my lack of stock/shares knowledge language, very new to this but I'd like to give it a go
 

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+20 on Monday
-45 yesterday
+45 today

LOL

Nio, was good today, Golden Nugget Online Gaming yesterday cause you know gambooooling,lol Bngo was good yesterday and Zom, then lost on the foolishness hedge funds ones but yes I am still holding, actually bought a little more to average down my price.

Nokia reports earnings tomorrow I think so hopefully it helps.
 

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+20 on Monday
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+45 today

LOL

Nio, was good today, Golden Nugget Online Gaming yesterday cause you know gambooooling,lol Bngo was good yesterday and Zom, then lost on the foolishness hedge funds ones but yes I am still holding, actually bought a little more to average down my price.

Nokia reports earnings tomorrow I think so hopefully it helps.

Have to admire your energy to hang on these bets. Like said, way too hectic and unsure for my head, rather to stay far as possible from any trending stoks which start to trade like crazy with prices against common sense, just pumping. All can't win in that, happy if you mainly get out clean without burning your fingers :)

There's probably no really big news in Nokias report, also thanks to Reddit gang, it's already priced higher than it otherwise would do just some normal positive maybe not throw price much anywhere. Nokia been very traditional stock for Finns to own, when it went up like crazy when Nokia was only big player in mobile phones for while, then it fkced up and price went down. Now their network business haven't got any huge rocketing but they might get more market from Western countries if they don't trust Chinese and Huawei to make their networks. Many Finns who been owning Nokia for years, sold them when price got higher than expected to be in next few years at least.

That's the thing which making these hype pump stocks risky, most of (except some really first ones but that happen before starting to hype some company name) these peeps taking part of this are just simply buying stock higher market price than it's "real" value as price already increased when first onest bought pile of these, then it's just competitino that who get out early enough to collect profits and who bun their fingers and end up holding over priced stock which might never reach that price anymore.

Got confirmation that my latest invest to non listed company through their crowdfunding where money was raised against company equities (same like stock but it's unlisted start up) with price based on purely valuation which think was made for really cheap. Hopefully they do great or at least good enough to reach something, believe they do and main product is almost done and should start to get customers during Q1. These are interesting ways to follow some interesting projects, be part of it as investor, in this particular minimum investment was only $1000 which was quite nice, that's not huge amount of money but if cows fly one day, could collect really nice win but more startups fail their targets so if ever thinking about these, make your home work and get familiar with project, what they do, how you think they find their place in competition etc etc... mostly loads of information on their websites. If one sunny day realize that my money is permanently gone, can reduce investment losses from taxes like you can if you make losses with listed stocks.

@Flyingslotsman Saw your post above, will travel bit and should be home on Friday, will try to reply when settled and back with prober computer and internet.... One way to find these futures companies is to find them before they get listed and be available for all, there are several platforms who are specified to list companies who are willing to raise some money from investors to progress in project. These are quite far from easy/safety investment, you can't easily sell your equities as these just are not available in stock exchanges. Can from home post some links if you guys needed, not sure how good or bad these are, at least got
 

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3D Printing Stocks might be another ground floor opportunity to consider.
 

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woweeee zoweeeee what a day, one of my biggest days or close to it so far, almost +$200 for the day. I got back focused on the normal plays and pivoted out of some to get into these cheaper stocks that have plans and stuff going on.

Add to that 6 sales between eBay and Amazon stores today!

That's what I am talking about! :D Wish I can do this every day and my life would be way better and not as crappy, lol. I am pretty ecstatic.:oops:
 

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woweeee zoweeeee what a day, one of my biggest days or close to it so far, almost +$200 for the day. I got back focused on the normal plays and pivoted out of some to get into these cheaper stocks that have plans and stuff going on.

Add to that 6 sales between eBay and Amazon stores today!

That's what I am talking about! :D Wish I can do this every day and my life would be way better and not as crappy, lol. I am pretty ecstatic.:oops:
Well done mate, one day I hope to be a happy bear :)
 

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Yesterday was a loss as Zom did an offering and that always makes the price go down but it recovered a bit today, darn companies trying to raise capital with offerings,lol.

The real news is OMG OMG OMG look at MVIS (MICROVISION) up $7 a share aftermarket right now baby, oh baby oh baby, "shrieking" It could drop back down again but that's o.k. then I can buy more shares,lol.

Also SNDL FTW!

Those 3 can keep skyrocket, ZOM and SNDL to $5 or $10 please!
 

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Anyone else happy a holiday weekend so a day off from stocks? Only in 5 right now but nice to take a break.
 

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I always found that unless you're a stock broker it is best not to look at the share price every 5 minutes. They are only paper losses / gains until such time you're actually planning to sell them.

Also very wise to take into consideration any dividends that you may get.
 

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I always found that unless you're a stock broker it is best not to look at the share price every 5 minutes. They are only paper losses / gains until such time you're actually planning to sell them.

Also very wise to take into consideration any dividends that you may get.
Yeah. Some are playing the markets 24/7

 

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Think in this thread been loads spoken about day trading where you often don't own anything for many hours or days. Can be nice form of gamble and no need to guess how some company is doing after few years.

In that game, majority of noobies just end up losing their money, all these kind of hype what been seen in last months make more and more people to get involved and when there is loads of "stupid money", it somehow often finds it way to "smart money". All these Reddit and other hype things where you get people to just throw their money somewhere where they think they might get rich fast are quite often just organized pyramid schemes (not in their traditional way, everybody have of course same chance to buy and sell, often if you're not professional, it's only morally questionable to encourage people to "invest" something they don't understand and then collect their money), when you read from public forums to buy/sell something, it's 99% that time went already.
 

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I did some stock day trading back in 1990's. Anyone remember Infoseek?
 

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Well this is not good at all right now if you are in already, Lost more money than I wanted to, I invested early in electric cars and the merger was announced supposedly this evening and the stock plummeted %30. :( Well see tomorrow and the future is promising but I am going to run out of money by then. The one play I am trying to hold on till next month when their new product comes out then I am getting out unless some more news comes out.

It's good to get in cheaper if you can time it well if it runs up again.
 

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Well besides all the red days there was not much going on, Zom that I held released their product early the fuckers so it tanked the momentum and stock price. I am not in it after that announcement but still a decent profit at least but I had high hopes for a real good profit this month from it. :(

The last 2 days have been green and recovered some including MVIS which was up %50 today alone! I was like oh shit and freaking out when I saw it shoot up, it did drop a little back down after hours. Other than that I am heavily invested in EV cars and stuff so today's Biden announcement was a godsend!
 

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So the plan right now is just looking to hit some price targets as in double-ups in a few and start pulling profits as I need to start getting money back. Currently have BNGO, CCIV, CHPT,FTFT,IDEX,NIO,THRM,PLTR,WKHS. Finished up %3 for the day, was higher earlier in the day.
 
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